A few hours after President Obama finished his Memorial Day round of golf with former Kerry “body man” Marvin Nicholson, North Korea officially entered the nuclear club.
We’ve all known this was going to happen for a lot of reasons. To a certain extent we’re lucky it has taken them this long to produce a nuke. They had a false start back in 2006 and perhaps an industrial accident in 2004, but there was never any doubt that eventually this day would come.
So what will the Administration do now?
Based on what we saw pre-invasion of Iraq we can predict with a fair amount of certainty that the White House will be test driving certain themes over the next days or weeks.
Containment/Mutually Assured Destruction
Back in the days before John J. Mearsheimer and Stephen M. Walt decided to diversify their intellectual portfolio to include Jew baiting, they were apologists for Saddam’s quest to obtain nuclear weapons.
But what about the Iraqi regime’s weapons of mass destruction? Those who reject containment point to Iraq’s past use of chemical weapons against the Kurds and Iran. They also warn that he will eventually get nuclear weapons. According to President Bush, a nuclear arsenal would enable Mr. Hussein to ”blackmail the world.” And the real nightmare is that he will give chemical, biological or nuclear weapons to Al Qaeda.
These possibilities sound alarming, but the dangers they pose do not justify war.
Mr. Hussein’s use of poison gas was despicable, but it tells us nothing about what he might do against the United States or its allies. He could use chemical weapons against the Kurds and Iranians because they could not retaliate in kind. The United States, by contrast, can retaliate with overwhelming force, including weapons of mass destruction. This is why Mr. Hussein did not use chemical or biological weapons against American forces or Israel during the 1991 Persian Gulf war. Nor has he used such weapons since, even though the United States has bombed Iraq repeatedly over the past decade.
The same logic explains why Mr. Hussein cannot blackmail us. Nuclear blackmail works only if the blackmailer’s threat might actually be carried out. But if the intended target can retaliate in kind, carrying out the threat causes the blackmailer’s own destruction. This is why the Soviet Union, which was far stronger than Iraq and led by men of equal ruthlessness, never tried blackmailing the United States.
In fact, a stronger case can be made for the relative stability of North Korea than could ever have been made for Iraq. I mean, North Korea may have attempted to assassinate a Korean president, killed a First Lady, blown up the South Korean cabinet, hacked two US officers to death with axes, pirated a US navy vessel, repeatedly violated South Korea’s border, and kidnapped numerous Japanese citizens but they haven’t invaded anyone.
If one follows this line of reasoning to its logical conclusion the United States could stamp out nuclear proliferation and war by simply arming all comers with nukes. Then they’d have no reason to pursue nuclear weapons and would have no reason to use them because all of their enemies would also be nuclear powers.
Don’t worry, be happy.
Fine. North Korea has nukes. How does that change your life? Most of us would immediately recall all the fear mongering from the 1980s when the SANE/Freeze nincompoops produced prime time made for television movies and CBS news did stories about kids so scared of nuclear war that they couldn’t sleep. Those days have changed. Back then it was the evil United States against the Worker’s Paradise. And since the Soviet Union never used nukes to defend itself from our aggression, neither will North Korea.
Sad to say, the preeminent voice in this field is a guy who is right on a lot of things. Check his blog for this week to find his take on this event. No, his blog hasn’t been hacked and that story erased. While he found time to cover the increasing supply of commercial real estate nothing covers North Korea becoming a nuclear power other than a bit of blather about a succession crisis in Pyongyang.
He is nothing if not consistent. Back in 2006 he touted a nuclear Iran as being the best hope for peace in the Middle East.
Barnett says that Iran’s possession of nuclear weapons would level the “playing field” by “finally allowing the Muslim Middle East to sit one player at the negotiating table as Israel’s nuclear equal.” He predicts, “Iran will get the bomb, no matter how the United States or its allies seek to prevent that outcome.”
He urges a “grand bargain with Iran” in which “Iran gets the bomb, diplomatic recognition, the lifting of sanctions and the opening of trade, and its removal from the axis of evil.” In return, Iran is supposed to stop supporting terrorism and will recognize Israel.
He amplified these comments on his blog:
Where is the history of states acquiring the bomb and then using it irrationally? History has consistently proven just the opposite, even with Islamist regimes like Pakistan and quasi-theocracies like Israel. This is just another example of the sad American tendency to demonize all potential foes as irrational. You take down a country on either side of Iran and they reach for the bomb: who’s being irrational or naive on that one?
To those of us who are not members of Mensa there seem to be a slew of logical fallacies in this argument, but this guy has a really big brain and has minions to write about him on his own blog so we’ll just have to defer to his natural superiority of intellect.
Peace in our time.
From the Washington Post
In Washington, Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton spoke Tuesday to her Russian counterpart as part of an effort to seek a united response with “consequences” for North Korea. But U.S. officials also stressed that they are still eager for North Korea to return to multilateral disarmament talks and are not ready to declare the multi-year effort to end North Korea’s nuclear program a failure.
“We feel the door does still remain open, that we’re ready to engage,” said State Department spokesman Ian Kelly. He described the Obama administration’s effort now as trying to “bring international pressure to bear to get them to reverse their course.”
Of course this statement calls into question exactly what would North Korea have to do before the State Department declared its efforts to keep North Korea from getting a nuke a failure. Probably something unfortunate happening to Honolulu.
Under this theory, fifty years of negotiations with North Korea have given us peace and a nuclear armed North Korea. Continued negotiations will give us at least half as much.
The question for the Obama Administration is , “what now?” My guess is “nothing”. They are secretly glad that the North Koreans detonated a nuke so they no longer have to worry about being criticized for not preventing it (this was obviously Bush’s fault, right) and it fits into their basic hate-America worldview. Really, the North Koreans wouldn’t want a nuke if we didn’t have them and threaten people who didn’t (did I mention this was all Bush’s fault). If nothing else this will provide an interesting test bed for how liberals deal with deranged, nuclear power so they can have their act polished by the time Iran becomes nuclear.
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DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 3:46PM EST (link)North Korea has a unique position right now, it has no polar opposite other than the United States but that is not even a fair fight. NoKo could get away with the launch of one nuclear weapon against the SoKo without a nuclear response from the USA. Trust me, we would use conventional weapons to destroy the NoKo because we do not want collateral damage because we would be just as bad as the North Koreans. Wait a minute I just channeled that Zero.
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Deep_Thinker Wednesday, May 27th at 4:08PM EST (link)It should be obvious to everyone that the North Koreans apparantly did not see Obama’s acceptence rally in Chicago on election night..
They need to hear the speech, see the faces in the crowd. I am sure they will then have an epiphany and jump right on the peace train.
A few questions - respectfully, of course
pappyman (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 4:11PM EST (link)Is your point that Obama caused North Korea to detonate a bomb by going golfing, or that a President should never golf?
What specifically is it that Obama should be doing now to satisfy your concerns? And how do you know he is not?
I’ve been concerned about North Korea since long before Obama was born. Who the heck was golfing back then to put us in such a mess?
Hello pappyman
suzieQ (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 4:18PM EST (link)and goodbye. You’re just screaming for the blam stick!
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Is that a threat to include me?
pappyman (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 4:29PM EST (link)Seriously, I’m not attacking or disrespecting anybody. I’m just trying to widen the conversation on this topic and find out what specifically it is that people are expecting from the President. I’d ask the same sort of questions on any news BB – right or left.
You bring nothing of value here-nt
DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 4:38PM EST (link)Well, he can ...
skorrent1 (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 5:05PM EST (link)Act on his main campaign foreign policy promises and either rush over to NoKo, have his no-conditions talk with Kim, kow-tow like he did with the Saudi, and bring back a “Peace in our time” promise, or demonstrate his powers of personal persuasion with the UNSC and China and produce an international agreement that will actually humble NoKo.
Or, he can abandon his naivety, and unilaterally surround NoKo with sufficient defensive weapons (which he has abandoned) or offensive strength (which he has reduced) to neutralize the threat.
Or not!
Ignorance is not an excuse
texas214 (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 5:09PM EST (link)It’s obvious Kim is trying to test Obama to see what his tolerance level is. Given his tepid response (boy those UN guys are really tough!!!) all we can assume is that Obama is is ignorant in how to deal with these situations. A show of strength is all that Kim understands; the US/SoK/Japanese need to blockade all shipping to and from NoK to cut off arms shipments (NoK’s main source of exports) and/or receipt of nuclear material.
Pretty simple, but no, our President really scares Kim and goes to the UN.
Well maybe Obama could start
suzieQ (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 4:45PM EST (link)by not running around apologizing to everyone like America is some evil empire. Of course he might have a greater appreciation for this country if he had been born here.
He could start by not cutting the defense budget and the F-22 so that he can pay for socialist health care and welfare programs for illegals.
He could start by not running to the UN expecting help. They were fine with the oil for food deals and allowing Saddam to arm terrorists.
I know that Nobama didn’t create the North Korea problem, but he isn’t doing anything to help it either.
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Of course, you must know..
pappyman (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 5:21PM EST (link)…he’s increasing the Defense budget, and the Pentagon does not want any more F-22′s.
Just saying….
Wrong agian, Pappy, Daily Kos can be found on Google real easily...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 5:29PM EST (link)I am just saying.
Kowalski, I think he missed this...
DONTREADONME (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 5:35PM EST (link)A few answers - respectfully, of course
larueladue (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 5:40PM EST (link)Parsing irrelevent portions of the text to back/white choices is not “contributing to the discussion.”
“Talking point” comments about clarifications or specifications is not “contributing to the discussion.”
Overall, your comments are not “contributing to the discussion.”
And doing it respectfully doesn’t defuse the inevitable response…
G'Bye
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 5:43PM EST (link)Yeah, it’s clear you’re only here to shill for The Leader and his loyal followers.
But you see, we don’t buy into das Führerprinzip here.
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Tbone (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 4:31PM EST (link)Fingers in ears, repeat after me.
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6eorge Jetson (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 4:50PM EST (link)Yo Kim, Stop buggin' - O's got his own country to destroy
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 5:57PM EST (link)CIA, NSA, etc, to Obama – NoKo giving Iran the tools to light up Israel
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You forgot preemptive strike
Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 5:55PM EST (link)I am certain that option was in one of the major newspapers? After all, what better way to rid the world of nuclear weapons? Oh, almost forgot, this is an era of change we can believe in. I suppose we should just talk to them nicer or suggest a new round of negotiations without those evil Bush holdovers and all that icky stigma.
Anyway, I sense a REALLY good speech is in our future. One with nifty Korean words and phrases. Plus I bet Korean BBQ is featured at this weekends WH Socialist Club meeting.
How DO you say, “friend” and “we are not capitalist neocons” in Korean anyway?
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It may be tough
gazill Wednesday, May 27th at 7:02PM EST (link)because the gift that keeps on giving, Biden, uttered a doozy about TOTUS.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/05/27/biden_jokes_about_breaking_obamas_teleprompter_.html
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izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 6:06PM EST (link)Probably….
This is the part the left does not get.
Nuclear bombs going boom near your house – bad…..
This is one reason we took out Saddam….
This is why Israel destroyed Iraq nuclear facilities….
Now the political climate in Washington is “retreat & defeat”.
How long before a crazy dictator with a nuke tries it out where it will cause real mayhem?
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Disturbing but inevitable
JHancock (Diary) Wednesday, May 27th at 10:34PM EST (link)We are too tied down in the Middle East to do much about their nuke. We could posture and p*ss in the wind a bit but I doubt that would improve the situation. Frankly though, as it espouses socialist rather than religious ideology, a nuclear Korea will be easier to deal with than a Nuclear Iran. As far as a nuclear attack on S Korea I think that is unlikely. Most likely the nukes will be used to stem off US “aggression” should N Korea ever decide to forcefully re-negotiate the border with S. Korea. Out of nuclear fear the US will likely fall back on the old MAD doctrine and fight in the Koreas indirectly as another proxy war instead of intervening directly. This is likely what N Korea had in mind the whole time. The Nukes aren’t a weapon so much as they a chess piece meant to block US influence. So, yes-the nukes will likely prove a problem and political thorn to the US. But no-N Korea is not likely to use them unless put in a no win situation (aka 2nd Korean war w/US involvement). Long story short, S Korea should be worried as they may find themself without US help in the face of N Korean aggression, but it’s doubtful anyone will actually get nuked. Also the government of N Korea is fairly entrenched and stable so it’s less likely their bombs will find themselves in terrorist or paragovernment hands than a bomb in Iran.