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		<title>By: StephC</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-982</link>
		<dc:creator>StephC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:36:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just because the domains points to the same web server and the same domain name suppliers doesn&#039;t mean it&#039;s the same person. OTOH, how many times would you come across two sites so related on the same web server with the same domain name server? &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Coincidental? I think not, especially when there are several other related sites also with the same IP and same webserver. However, I wouldn&#039;t be able to say that it is proof positive based on the information given... &lt;strong&gt;&lt;em&gt;Just as LGF stated in their article&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Oh, and dnsstuff.com will give you all that information without going through Google. It&#039;s a lot faster.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just because the domains points to the same web server and the same domain name suppliers doesn&#8217;t mean it&#8217;s the same person. OTOH, how many times would you come across two sites so related on the same web server with the same domain name server? </p>
<p>Coincidental? I think not, especially when there are several other related sites also with the same IP and same webserver. However, I wouldn&#8217;t be able to say that it is proof positive based on the information given&#8230; <strong><em>Just as LGF stated in their article</em></strong>.</p>
<p>Oh, and dnsstuff.com will give you all that information without going through Google. It&#8217;s a lot faster.</p>
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		<title>By: olderthangandalf</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-981</link>
		<dc:creator>olderthangandalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;It&#039;s a pretty simple HTML trick to forward any web page you control to another web page you don&#039;t control. You simply put a meta refresh tag in the page&#039;s html code, and the visitor gets transferred to the other page. You need to control the originating page, but you do not need to control the destination page.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;To wit, anyone with a web page could forward visitors to that web page on to Redstate. They could, if they wished, put up some odious URL, run some Google ads to attract people, and have it redirect here. That people ended up here would say nothing about Redstate&#039;s knowledge of or participation in the original URL.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;That applies to anyone, and could apply here.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Again, I don&#039;t know what&#039;s going on with the sites referenced, but the fact that you end up at an Obama destination is a good bit short of proof of Obama campaign involvement in the originating URL.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a pretty simple HTML trick to forward any web page you control to another web page you don&#8217;t control. You simply put a meta refresh tag in the page&#8217;s html code, and the visitor gets transferred to the other page. You need to control the originating page, but you do not need to control the destination page.</p>
<p>To wit, anyone with a web page could forward visitors to that web page on to Redstate. They could, if they wished, put up some odious URL, run some Google ads to attract people, and have it redirect here. That people ended up here would say nothing about Redstate&#8217;s knowledge of or participation in the original URL.</p>
<p>That applies to anyone, and could apply here.</p>
<p>Again, I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s going on with the sites referenced, but the fact that you end up at an Obama destination is a good bit short of proof of Obama campaign involvement in the originating URL.</p>
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		<title>By: olderthangandalf</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-980</link>
		<dc:creator>olderthangandalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just out of curiosity, I went to a website that purports to give the IP addresses of sites. Here&#039;s what I got:&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;http://www.selfseo.com/find&lt;em&gt;ip&lt;/em&gt;address&lt;em&gt;of&lt;/em&gt;a_website.php&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The IP address of SARAHPALINGAYRIGHTS.COM is 74.208.74.232
The IP address 74.208.74.232 is assigned to  Great Britain (UK)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The IP address of barackobama.COM is 66.39.143.229
The IP address 66.39.143.229 is assigned to  United States&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The IP address of fightthesmears.COM is 216.239.36.21
The IP address 216.239.36.21 is assigned to  United States&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;There are other ways to check IP addresses. If you have the time, you can do it from your command line using the PING command.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Couple of other things. &lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;One, it would be easy and credible for a misguided Obama supporter to put up this site on their own. It would be a good bit harder given the centralized Obama IT structure to get access to the main Obama campaign server. If it turns out, against the evidence I see so far, to actually be on the Obama server, that would be a pretty big deal. The domain seems to have been registered and the site launched August 29, btw.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Two, the argument the page makes is misleading. To avoid wasting state fees on litigation she would have lost, Palin vetoed a bill that certainly would have been overturned by the courts. It says nothing about her position on gay rights. As a policy matter, she has been consistent in opposing gay marriage or any preferences.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity, I went to a website that purports to give the IP addresses of sites. Here&#8217;s what I got:</p>
<p>http://www.selfseo.com/find<em>ip</em>address<em>of</em>a_website.php</p>
<p>The IP address of SARAHPALINGAYRIGHTS.COM is 74.208.74.232<br />
The IP address 74.208.74.232 is assigned to  Great Britain (UK)</p>
<p>The IP address of barackobama.COM is 66.39.143.229<br />
The IP address 66.39.143.229 is assigned to  United States</p>
<p>The IP address of fightthesmears.COM is 216.239.36.21<br />
The IP address 216.239.36.21 is assigned to  United States</p>
<p>There are other ways to check IP addresses. If you have the time, you can do it from your command line using the PING command.</p>
<p>Couple of other things. </p>
<p>One, it would be easy and credible for a misguided Obama supporter to put up this site on their own. It would be a good bit harder given the centralized Obama IT structure to get access to the main Obama campaign server. If it turns out, against the evidence I see so far, to actually be on the Obama server, that would be a pretty big deal. The domain seems to have been registered and the site launched August 29, btw.</p>
<p>Two, the argument the page makes is misleading. To avoid wasting state fees on litigation she would have lost, Palin vetoed a bill that certainly would have been overturned by the courts. It says nothing about her position on gay rights. As a policy matter, she has been consistent in opposing gay marriage or any preferences.</p>
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		<title>By: streiff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-979</link>
		<dc:creator>streiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;you to apply your stunning intellect and knowledge of &quot;advanced networking&quot; to making your case rather than parroting a pretty lame talking point.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I&#039;m sure your cogent analysis would be useful at LGF where that discussion is underway.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you to apply your stunning intellect and knowledge of &#8220;advanced networking&#8221; to making your case rather than parroting a pretty lame talking point.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure your cogent analysis would be useful at LGF where that discussion is underway.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff_Emanuel</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-978</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff_Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;...means you have too low an IQ to participate in this site. One more chance, and you likely won&#039;t be welcome to comment here any more.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;means you have too low an IQ to participate in this site. One more chance, and you likely won&#8217;t be welcome to comment here any more.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil_Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-977</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil_Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Neil_Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-976</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil_Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Heh.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh.</p>
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		<title>By: CaliRepublican_007</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-975</link>
		<dc:creator>CaliRepublican_007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I would hope that before you made a serious allegation you would actually check your facts.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I invite you to google domain tracing techniques. Its very easy to find the origination. &lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would hope that before you made a serious allegation you would actually check your facts.</p>
<p>I invite you to google domain tracing techniques. Its very easy to find the origination. </p>
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		<title>By: olderthangandalf</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-974</link>
		<dc:creator>olderthangandalf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:46:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Based on Whois data, the sarahpalingayrights.com seems to be hosted by 1and1.com. You can get sites hosted there for $2 a month.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;The BarackObama.com site, for which the fightthesmears is just a subdomain, seems to be hosted at domaincontrol.com.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;It would be beyond idiotic for the Obama campaign to do this, given their support of gay rights and Palin&#039;s rather clear opposition to gay rights. That&#039;s not to say that it is automatically untrue, because people in campaigns rather frequently do idiotic things.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on Whois data, the sarahpalingayrights.com seems to be hosted by 1and1.com. You can get sites hosted there for $2 a month.</p>
<p>The BarackObama.com site, for which the fightthesmears is just a subdomain, seems to be hosted at domaincontrol.com.</p>
<p>It would be beyond idiotic for the Obama campaign to do this, given their support of gay rights and Palin&#8217;s rather clear opposition to gay rights. That&#8217;s not to say that it is automatically untrue, because people in campaigns rather frequently do idiotic things.</p>
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		<title>By: streiff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-973</link>
		<dc:creator>streiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;and, of course, you are entitled to it.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;I think it is a very serious allegation, it is well in line with what we know of the Obama campaign, and it needs to be investigated.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;And thanks for making me the subject of the second comment you&#039;ve made in your 15 minutes since registration.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and, of course, you are entitled to it.</p>
<p>I think it is a very serious allegation, it is well in line with what we know of the Obama campaign, and it needs to be investigated.</p>
<p>And thanks for making me the subject of the second comment you&#8217;ve made in your 15 minutes since registration.</p>
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		<title>By: CaliRepublican_007</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/streiff/2008/08/30/fightthesmears-smears-sarah-palin/#comment-972</link>
		<dc:creator>CaliRepublican_007</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Disappointing I know but I just went through the same steps as Little Green Footballs and if you know anything about advanced networking and domain purchases it falls apart.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Just want to keep us on the right side of things. This site, to me anyway, has a higher standard than Little Green Footballs.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;Not to fret, we have enough to knock him with already.&lt;/p&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Disappointing I know but I just went through the same steps as Little Green Footballs and if you know anything about advanced networking and domain purchases it falls apart.</p>
<p>Just want to keep us on the right side of things. This site, to me anyway, has a higher standard than Little Green Footballs.</p>
<p>Not to fret, we have enough to knock him with already.</p>
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