You know, I think the commi-crats truly believe that they can lie without consequence and no one will challenge it. And if they do challenge it, they will have gotten mileage out of it, so no big deal.

Pathetic

No better demonstration of the term ‘oxymoron’ (with an emphasis on the last 5 letters of the word) is the term “Catholic Democrat”, and there is no better person to embody this than self-described “ardent Catholic” Pelosi.

Mrs. Strelnikov has a fairly calm demeanor, but her high boiling point was reached watching this pseudo-Catholic bumble and stumble and then simply lie her way through this interview on Sunday.

Excommunication is old-fashioned, is even seen as something of a relic, so do not expect the official Catholic Church to excommunicate Pelosi or Kennedy or any of these other crypto-atheist posers publicly.

But in one way they have already excommunicated themselves by their constant support and even encouragement for the American Holocaust.

I remember being slightly annoyed when I saw it.

I’m guessing that is where Nancy “the student of theology” picked up that information about “Senator” Augustine.

“Abortion “is always gravely evil, and so are the evasions employed to justify it,” the statement continued” (quote)

Well, he just threw out the cases of Rape, Incest, and high risk pregnancy.

I believe Nancy Pelosi better re-read her bible I believe she has forgotten some very important verses of scripture. Not only is abortion discussed so is life in the womb.

…but it’s ok the other way around.

A major strategy of left-wing liberals like Pelosi is to rewrite history and make it sound believable to the masses. It is not unusual these days to proclaim a new approach to what actually is true; after all we live in a ‘relative’ society where truth doen’t really matter. As Orwell says in “1984″:

” Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past. “

This latest by our illustrious “Speaker” however truly stuns me. If she were truthful she would tell you that as a young girl in catechism classes she never learned that abortion was debatable. She learned that life is valued from conception to old age and that taking the life of an innocent baby to suit your own ‘lifestyle issues’ is unacceptable as a Christian. The Catholic Church has continued to stand behind this belief, while many protestant churches take a different view, a relative view leaning more towards what the woman needs and nothing more.

Maybe she’d like to turn out the lights at the Vatican for a while, in order to change the ideas of the church to suit her perspective.

She should be excommunicated immediately.

IIRC, we still have around 1 million abortions per year. That’s like 5 or 6 Iraq conflicts, civilian victims of terror included, every year.

But in a bipartisan spirit, I put forth two slogans for Mme Speaker:

Choice: from the Garden of Eden until now, you just can’t beat it!

Abortion: it’s for the children!

I believe it absolutely should be a religious issue. Let people decide based on their religious beliefs whether or not they want an abortion.

Keep the Federal Government out of it.

First Bill Clinton’s Bible study class told him that getting a BJ doesn’t count as sex.

Now Nancy has parsed St. Augustine’s writings and determined that abortion is a-ok.

It’s hard to imagine what they will come up with next? Maybe that St. Paul was just a latter day Larry Craig?

So, in this thread, we’ve seen mockery of people who would make exceptions for rape/incest/mother’s life, we’ve seen it implied that the death penalty is appropriate for a woman who procures an abortion (and certainly for the doctor who provides it), and, all around, exceptionally principled examples of the pro-life position.

It’s such things, I suspect, that communicates that any abortion restrictions whatsoever is the nose of the camel.

A little history: why would people absolutely WANT a society that freely and openly allows abortions, given that the majority would most probably never be involved in such a situation?

We will agree that human societies have had this dirty little secret for millenia. The local “old woman with a stick” (the basis for the witch and her broom, I was once told by a professor of medieval history) performed a service which nobody or very few admitted or liked, but which happened.

In very ancient times of course, there was the crude method of birth control known as “exposing the infant,” hence all the wonder stories about kindly animals adopting the exposed infant.

In fact, the infant died and was eaten. But nobody wanted to think about that: so they invented stories to assuage their guilt.

The point is that language and fantasy hid the basic, normal, and well-deserved guilt behind abortion and infanticide.

Only in modern times are we trying to get rid of the guilt by finally coming right out and proudly proclaiming that abortions are “safe and legal.” Why feel any guilt?

The larger issue, therefore, is connected to free sexuality without guilt: as an example, allow me to recall an article by left-winger Ellen Goodman in the ’80′s which astonished me.

AIDS was just getting cranked up, and the point of her article was that AIDS was going to derail the Sexual Revolution. How could you have free, guiltless sex if you were worried about the consequences of AIDS? This is why she wanted a fast cure and eradication of AIDS, so people could get back to sex with no consequences.

And that attitude answers why a left-wing society would proudly want to have abortion as an open part of life: a world free of any kind of guilt, especially sexual, no matter what you have done, a Brave New World.

One is entitled to his or her own beliefs but NOT to his or her own facts.

Warren never asked when life began. He asked when human life should have rights. Those are two different questions.

Anyone who thinks one can legitimately question when life begins or frame it as a religious issue should not have graduated high school. It is not a question of faith. It is a basic scientific fact of biology (the very study of life), and this has been known for nearly two centuries. That’s why laws against abortion popped up in the early 1800′s. There can be no legitimate debate or questioning outside the Flat Earth Society. Biology asserts that a whole distinct living human beings at fertilization regardless of one’s feelings or beliefs. One cannot “believe” when human life begins as that is not opinion or faith. Leaving faith out of it justifies prohibiting it more than the other way around.

Pelosi did a nice cover up in the end by ultimately pointing out that it did not matter. I think most educated people on the left, when forced to recognize basic biology, will argue that it truly is irrelevant. Some conconct this notion of “personhood,” but most just dismiss the biological facts as irrelevant to the legality of abortion.

To that, I can only argue that this is a fight for equality as much as it is for life. You don’t discriminate against someone (especially his or her very life) because of his or her age, physical location, size, or appearance. Nor do you do so because of one’s emotional or socioeconomic impact on others. You don’t let “personal belief” dictate who one, ESPECIALLY a state-licensed “doctor,” can or cannot kill or torture.

The Catholic Answers web site “www.catholic.com”. They have a Voters Guide for Serious Catholics (there’s also a version for non-Catholics) among other great resources. I’m sure Pelosi/Biden/Kennedy/Kerry/etc. ad nauseam have never read the guide – - if they did I think their brains would burst into flames. These people need to stop lying to themselves. THEY ARE NOT CATHOLICS!!!!!! At best they are probably Anglicans, they just can’t admit it to themselves or to the public.

P.S. I realize this post is late in the day and there’s already a bazillion other posts on this topic and nobody probably cares anymore. This is what I get for living in the great Pacific Northwest!