SC Open Thread Part II
Since we're nearing 200 comments on the first one
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Official results will be here. Map will be here. Exit polls are here.
I still want to be Michael Barone when I grow up.
Rock em sock em.
[UPDATE]: Still too close to call - McCain 33% to Huckabee 30% with 60% reporting. That said, knowing SC a bit from when I grew up there, Huckabee is underperforming in a few key areas, and I predict a narrow McCain win.
Something interesting from the exit polling of age differences: Huckabee wins 18-29 and 30-44 by a 5 percent and 11 point margin respectively. But a full 35% of the vote was from 60+ voters - who went for McCain at a 41% pace, a 17 point margin over Huckabee. Assuming McCain wins, it's going to be with the older moderate voters who did it. I'd love to see crosstabs on this.
Oh, and a big thanks to Martha MacCallum for the kind FNC mention. :)
[UPDATE]: I think this one's Johnny Mac's (and right after I typed this, the AP and FNC called it). Huckabee may close it up a bit more (it's about a 14k margin at the moment), but this one's basically going to end up where Mason-Dixon put it a week ago. On to Florida!
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I think of all the time I've wasted in life not being more like him. He has such a wealth of knowledge, and is so congenial in his presentation.
Barone for president?
I'm going to say Huckabee by the end of the night.
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I was brought up to believe that how I saw myself was more important than how others saw me. (Anwar al-Sadat, President of Egypt, 1970-1981)
Because frankly his media shills will be blasting out of the gates if he wins, telling us how he is now the presumptive front runner, and they will be smiling the entire time.
This fact will remain lost on McCain's supporters all the while.
McCain has South Carolina wrapped up. Makes his decision to concentrate on Nevada a stroke of genus instead of fighting it out in South Carolina.
Check out the advice I suggested for Romney on the evening of the Iowa caucus (January 3, 2008). It was a stroke of genus if I say so myself.
I'm at the edge of my seat, but like my candidate, I'm superstitious. I won't call it until the networks do. Oh, but I'm so darn excited!!!! Come on SC! Show us some love!
Thats how I felt in Michigan, I wanted to wait for the votes to be counted. Even when they called it, I stay up to make darn sure it wasn't wrong.
telling us that even before McCain wins he is the money bet to be the front runner, even right this moment.
LOL.. There you go McCain supporters, Juan Williams is your guy ! HAHAHA...
G-d I hope McCain loses or we will have Juan Williams blushing over him for the next 9 months...
What should these reporters do to please you?
Well, technically John McCain won tonight, but since we don't want to appear biased, we're calling everyone the front-runner.
absentee
Why should McCain supporters be ashamed of that? Williams is a moderate-liberal, true, but he's one of the few fair minded and honest journalists in the market. He was one of the ONLY prominent black journalists to defend Clarance Thomas during his SC confirmation, and actually going even further back then that to his battles at the EEOC.
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"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
race hustler. That's why Brit hired him. Brit interviewed Juan several years ago and discussed all that in detail. Juan's cool
see his book "Enough"?
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....is the engaging, witty, thoughtful guy that so many Republicans were calling for last year.
That pretty much ruined his momentum in the media. I like his ideas, but I think he never would have won a general election.
has been watching my fellow conservative's get so incredibly caught up in the MSM horse race aspect of all this. For whatever reason, we have allowed the polls to BE the story. Never thought I'd see that on our side of the political spectrum.
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
heard laughing at the end of Fred's speech. Pathetic disprespect.
Olberman who was laughing? Is there a video of MSNBC people laughing? I wonder if someone could post it. If this is true we need to certainly make the management of MSNBC know our outrage. I can guarantee that if a conservative journalist (and I used the term loosely when applied to Olbermann) were to laugh publicly, or even overtly, at Hillary or God Forbid Obama, you can be certain that the journalist would be relieved or at the least reprimanded harshly.
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
-- John Adams
but MSNBC should apologize for that, it was disgusting. The only reason I watch MSNBC over Fox is because I get a better clear picture on MSNBC for some reason, and fox news its blurry. KO is a scumbag.
They're just indecent morons.
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Yeah, I know the realities...but I would still love to see hum third.
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Been reading conflicting assessments all day long. First it's Huck winning, then McCain, then Huck again, McCain, no.. Huck, no, wrong again.. McCain. At some point it got overly redundant, so I just read some of the Nevada returns and saw Romney winning big (at least 18 of the delegates at large there at last count), and felt good about his chances of keeping the Reagan Coalition together. At last count I believe he will have close to 60 or more delegates going into the Florida contest. With an endorsement from Jeb Bush, he should be in good shape.
As for South Carolina, I'm reading that many more Evangelicals voted than was expected. This could result in a Huckabee upset of McCain. Right now it just depends on the Vet and Absentee votes. I'm going to put aside a prediction on this one for now as the counting will go late into the night. Could be either McCain or Huckabee by a nose when all is said and done.
Romney will finish a respectable 3rd, which was his goal as he invested more effort in the larger prize, Nevada. I'm still scratching my head why South Carolina was more of a media focus and I believe it is because of A) the showdown between McCain and Huckabee and, B) the fact that SC was McCain's Waterloo in 2000.
Despite the South Carolina outcome, the delegates from that contest will end up pretty evenly split between McCain and Huckabee, still leaving Romney with the edge over both.
Go Mitt!
"I'm still scratching my head why South Carolina was more of a media focus"
Because it has McCain with a real shot of winning it and because Nevada has Romney uncontested.
I mean, doesn't that just speak for itself? Just turn to MSNBC right now, just watch the love for McCain.
It's all out there in the open for everyone to see.
I expect it to be a 5% win for McCain at the end of the day.
Hopefully Huckabee can still compete in Florida.
The strategy is for Romney to get into a feud with McCain and Rudy, and for Huckabee to go straight through the middle.
and that Huckabee got votes from upstate where they voted late and were not part of the exit polls. Even with the lead in returns, McCain is not getting the call from any news outlet, because exit polls show a closer race than what is being reported.
Sure I hope McCain loses, but there is nothing apparently in the know that shows he will win at this point.
Fox is saying that it's closer than it looks - so I'm still holding my breath. But I am hoping Fred comes in 3rd - keep Mitt Headroom off the medal podium.
Didn't think of it that way, john_stewart_is_a_tool. You're right, of course. Not just with your analysis, but also with your profile name as well.
Love it!
I personally would love to see McCain go down to defeat tonight. He has done more to hurt the GOP and especially Social Conservatives than any Democrat.
It would be an understatement to say that I loathe him, so instead I will just say that he will never - under any circumstances - get my vote.
Look at teh exit poll results. McCain is winning self-identified liberals and independents big. McCain is losing conservatives again.
He's winning among independents and it's a tossup among republicans.
He's winning among moderates, but in self-identified conservatives he is beating Romney and Thompson by large margins. Among "somewhat conservatives" he also leads.
But this is a good thing for McCain: those indepents who went to the polls today prefered to vote for him than for Obama (or HRC) next week, in the Dems primaries. Do you think they'll vote for any other GOP candidate in November? Or do you believe we can win without the independent and moderate vote?
WHAT-EV-ER!
Gee, will McCain win the election without Republican votes? I think he can get all the Moderate (squishy jello people) that are out there and then grab all the extra Independents (closet Libs) and still LOSE BIG because the base of the GOP can't stand him.
Still, if he wins tonight it is a big win for him from a media hype standpoint. That I will grant you and little else.
this is just one night in a long race.... no need to get too worked up.
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Yah, because such a gigantic portion of the hardcore conservatives are going to vote Constitution party, right?
Because that's totally happened before. And there are so many indications that it'll happen again.
/sarcasm
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"FEAR THE 'STACH!!!"
If you win with a non-conservative? What have you won?
Both McCain and Huckabee are disasters...
Mitt is not much better. Neither is Rudy...
I was hoping for a significant upgrade to Bush. Bush has been good on foriegn policy, but he has also been abysmal on domestic policy...
I guess a Bush upgrade will not be in the cards...
It reminds me of upgrading to Vista from XP... Disappointing...
I'm a Romney supporter myself but I'll be upfront in saying if Fred had come onto this much sooner I'd have been supporting him, because in terms of 100% true conservative Fred Thompson really is the only one.
The 2008 election has someone allowed some in the GOP to show their true colors, and by that I mean selling out of conservative principles. The GOP used to stand for some of the limited govt. principles Fred preaches about but now they've sold out, they sold us out on Immigration, Nation-Building, Global Warming, heck they're even backtracking on Gun Right's now! the one thing we thought was still safe it's gone.
I've already decided if Rudy or Romney can't win the nomination then I'm voting for Hillary or Obama, I'd much rather have a Dem at the wheel to blame for when everything hits the fan than a Republican. I
The election is just not worth winning if you sell out your principles just to win then you stand for nothing.
I'm a Romney supporter myself but I'll be upfront in saying if Fred had come onto this much sooner I'd have been supporting him, because in terms of 100% true conservative Fred Thompson really is the only one.
The 2008 election has allowed some in the GOP to show their true colors, and by that I mean selling out of conservative principles. The GOP used to stand for some of the limited govt. principles Fred preaches about but now they've sold out, they sold us out on Immigration, Nation-Building, Global Warming, heck they're even backtracking on Gun Right's now! the one thing we thought was still safe it's gone.
I've already decided if Rudy or Romney can't win the nomination then I'm voting for Hillary or Obama, I'd much rather have a Dem at the wheel to blame for when everything hits the fan than a Republican. I
The election is just not worth winning if you sell out your principles just to win then you stand for nothing.
Okay... I guess I can understand a few of your points early on, but you completely threw yourself and lost any credibility with that last statement.
You would vote for Hillary or Obama if one of your guys can't win the nomination?
Granted, I won't vote for McCain under any circumstances. That doesn't mean I'm going to cast my principles to the wind and vote for a Democrat.
Maybe if Joe Liberman or Zell Miller were the Democrats, then OKAY, but not that current bunch.
Just don't vote if that is your opinion. That would be my route.
The problem is, if we allow either of these people to gain the nomination, the principles for which the Republican Party has stood are dead.
Having either of them in the White House would give credibility to the RINO faction of the party. Why should we allow a Republican in name only to dictate our policies for the next four years such that our party is then a moderate party and becomes even more like the Democrat Party? Why not just elect the Democrat who we know will be that way than allow a Republican to deceive us and destroy our party as well?
Not voting will cause other Republicans for other offices to go down as well. Vote Democrat for President, I cannot believe I am saying that, and then vote conservative for Senator and Congress, and Governor and Legislature. We will have a check on liberalism. But, if we elect McCain or Huckabee, the Republicans in Congress will go along with them and we are really in trouble. We will be led by people like Lindsay Graham who sell out the party and allow the appointment of liberal judges while stopping the appointment of conservative judges. Also, we will have amnesty under them, but I do not think a Republican Congress would go along with amnesty if we did not have a Republican President to push it, like McCain or Huckabee.
I have never voted Democrat for President, but I am considering it if these two bozos are nominated.
And to Fred Barns who on FOX tonight said that eventually we will all be happy with whomever the nominee is, well I got bad news buddy, Haley and I hear simply will not be voting for that candidate if his name is McCain.
I hope this is not lost on the next few states. McCain will lose the election in all likelihood, and if he doesn't he will destroy the bar for conservatives running for President, the media will forever compare future republican candidates to their beloved President McCain.
Bless you!!!
I am so happy to see someone else on RS posting such comments. There have been so many on here lately putting out arguments like "We need to beat Hillary" and other such nonsense that I've started to wonder if principle has been trumped by uninformed rationalizations.
Why in the world would America's only CONSERVATIVE party nominate a man who holds such disdain for his party's core supporters? If you want a sure fired recipe to lose (not just to HRC but to anyone) then you go ahead and make such a pick.
I won't be joining you and neither will john_stewart_is_a_tool and many, many more like us.
for McCain, there are 2 independents who will. He will win the election.
I will never vote for Romney. I would sooner vote for Bloomberg.
"All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
There's nothing more Republicans can ask. This is a system designed, built, and executed by Republicans.
Factions who don't like that? I have a post coming :-)
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Sooner vote for Bloomberg? He is more liberal than Hillary or Obama. Look at his record in New York. He wants all guns confiscated. The Second Amendment would go by the wayside.
Romney is the only sincere candidate, now that Thompson is really out of it.
He stood up and told us he has made mistakes and he changed after studying those issues. It takes a big man, particularly in politics to stand up and say they were wrong.
McCain tells us since he was 17 and joined the military, his views have been set. That scares me. Someone who cannot change their opinion is dangerous. All of us are wrong on something and no one is perfect, only our Savior. For a person to act like McCain, is dangerous. The same with Huckabee. He is right because he would be our reverend in chief. He is a Christian and must save America for Christ. I do not disagree with that, but the way he has done it, in a nonchristian manner, makes him worse than a nonbeliever.
What is your problems with Romney?
Lay it out instead of just being negative about him.
The big problem I see with Romney is he's close to a carbon copy of Lincoln Chafee. Chummy with the Planned Parenthood folks. New England rich guy. Out of touch with folks in flyover country. How am I wrong on this one?
"Be intolerant. Because some things are just stupid"
- Ryan Dobson
that you don't know either of these guys particularly well. Regardless of how non-conservative you think Romney might be, Chafee makes him look like a cross between Jesse Helms and Phil Gramm.
Linc Chafee as a Democrat would have been a moderate-liberal - Romney at his most liberal was still a moderate Republican.
BTW, how out of touch did the folks in Michigan seem to think Romney was? Does that qualify as "fly-over country"?
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same counties Huck is winning. (In other words the most conservative counties) May be an indication that Huck and Fred really have been splitting up some votes.
Huckabee has single handedly screwed up Thompson's run...w/out huckabee Thompson would have gotten those evangelical votes b/c he got the NRT endorsement.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
This looks right about over.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
You wanted to be like MicHael Barone!
HAHA.. Nice!
I disagree with you, TSquared on two things about Bush's domestic policies.
Where W has been terrific is on 3 issues close to my heart; 1)Tax Cuts, 2)Judges and 3)Abortion.
Say what you will about illegal immigration and even No Child Left Behind. I would likely agree with you on those points but on everything else that matters, Bush has been pretty solid.
Sorry, mistyped on that one. I meant THREE things, not TWO.
Good points... However... But taking those position was pretty much a given. You can't call yourself a Republican or Conservative and do otherwise...
One the other hand - more divisive issues - especially illegal immigration - would take some real guts to stick up for the conservative position. Politically you risk alienating a large voting bloc. When we needed guts... It was there with Bush.
Also... You forgot Campaign Finance Reform... A disaster for the 1st ammendment.
"It was there with Bush."
I ment to say ... It wasn't there with Bush.
You say that those issues were pretty much a given, but do you believe that we would have gotten Roberts and Alito on the SCOTUS if McCain had won in 2000 or 2004 and not Bush?
Also, with a President McCain there would have been no tax cuts to stimulate the economy. It's quite possible that Napoleon Complex McCain would have raised taxes.
I wouldn't call anything until we start seeing Greenville County who have zero percent showing at this time and Huckabee is winning the suburbs big.
However, I am a bit tired of all the different elements of Republican part bickering among themselves. If McCain wins So Carolina he won it with hard work and because voters thought he is our best nominee; he didn't win it cause of liberals.
Ben Domenech shoots! He Scoooooores on Fox News Channel.
The "Third Worst Person in the World" and aiming higher.
And from Martha MacCallum, who frankly rocks. I am quite happy.
for RedState and for you. Congratulations.
I hope the influence of this site you've helped create continues to grow.
I'm not seeing that info anywhere else?
Can anyone find substantiation?
Results so far, per NYT, are 34.8 McCain, 29.1 Huck, 15.1 Fred, 14.7 Mitt
http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/states/SC.html
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and has McCain at 35% so far...
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I am watching NYTimes page too cause it shows different counties which I like
Interesting to note almost all of Charlestown is in (McCain won big) yet zero percent for Greenville (Hucakbee will win big here)
CNN has this one really close something big came in for Huckabee and has Huckabee within 3%. But with total votes in McCain is crushing Huckabee 69K-61K.
With 49% in McCain leads 34-29% according to CNN.com
According to Michael Barone... on FOX.
Scary.. Let's go Mike.
It shows McCain 33, Huck 30, Thompson 16 and Romney 15.
Still a lot to go and YES, it does appear many areas of McCain's support have come in but not much of Huck's areas of support.
Could be a night of nail bitting for both McCain and Huck's camps.
We really would like to see McCain lose.
Good point on FOX. Mitt left and his votes mostly went to McCain. He's still better winning Nevada. War of delagate attrition.
Yup with 47% in McCain actually leads by couple 100 votes in Greenville and with that said McCain will win.
McCain wins!
Yea they are close. Not good news for Huckabee who should have wiped the slate clean thought in Greenville there is only 46% in. But the trend is close.
McCain with his immigration plan.
It is not 2000, different demographics.
Thats not true McCain is winning big in Columbia and not a lot of those areas have come in. Most of the upper part of state has come in as has coast areas. A lot of the inner parts of the state are not in yet and McCain is winning here
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Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
Wipe that stupid smirk off your face. You are a hack Wallace, a hack ;0
I hate that guy
such bright, enthusiastic exemplars of modern conservatives to post here at RedState?
Relax, guys. Wallace enjoys reporting on the odd, give-and-take scenarios in politics. He's not gloating that your guy lost. (My guy is losing in SC, but he received as many Republican delegates in Nevada as did Mitt Romney: ZERO.)
What would have happened had Huckabee not Huckaboomed? (That's a lot of H's.)
i don't own a television, but for primary election coverage, it's hard not to have the talking heads in front of me...
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"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
McCain's lead of approx. 10,000 votes seems to be holding - still not calling it, but fingers are crossed!!!
The longer it takes, the better his chances I should think.
And look who finishes 1-2, cornering 73% of the vote.
Dude, move down to Texas.
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
and he didn't position himself to get good press.
Hunter and Thompson and neither had any decent press.
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I don't know about him, but that is over the top.
Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."
If you don't know the BOFH reference, it won't make sense.
Have no idea about BOFH... My apologies sir...
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and easily figure out who is conservative and who is not among the candidates.
McCain and Huckabee in that field? No, SC is not what I thought it was. Maybe it's all the snowbirds and crossovers...
Kill the terrorists
Protect the borders
Punch the hippies -- Frank J
for 2 weeks. McCain had wrapped up a large % due to Fred getting in too late, and then Fred had to face 4 other candidates. SC can't decide who runs. Huckabee is conservative on some key issues for a not small segment and had a pulse. Crowded field. kitchen sink....
more later
blogs tomorrow
My prediction that SC evangelicals would not follow Iowa's lead is born out by the exit polls. Huck's % is down by 10-20% in SC.
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one on one between two candidates, and they chose the Reagan over Bush 41, Bush 41 over Pat Buchanan, I forgot who Dole beat, and Bush43 over McCain. They chose the most conservative.
With 5 candidates, it was a blur and Huck and Mitt visited the state starting a year ago and wrapped up people with conservative messages. Huck's speeches here in early 2007 and even in 2006 were devoid of much of his late 2007 stuff. There were no negative ads against Huck or McCain.
McCain had some issues as did Huck. The former, the war. This is a MAJOR issue. Huck had the Life issue and both he and McCain ran tv ads on illegal immigration that Tancredo would be proud of.
So, its not attendance, its familiarity and late press coverage re inevitability and electability.
Fred didn't git er done in the Dick Morris-Bill Clinton new world of the permanent campaign.
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Still no numbers from Myrtle Beach? I'll bet that puts McCain over the top when the votes come in.
LOL...
65%
McCain has 15,000 vote lead
Call it.
Do these people know how to add?
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
He brings his own brand of snide disdain to whatever he covers. Now they have him polluting the air around McCain. I am a McCain supporter, so I'm probably prejudiced.
I did find it ridiculous that Fox broke away from Fred's speech for an interview with Mitt. Fred's Mom should tell him to keep on running.
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I wonder now if Huckabee is sorry he teamed up with McCain to bring Romney down in New Hampshire.
79%
McCain 116,869
Huckabee 103,636
All hail the new liberal front runner!
Actually, he's not the front runner. He is still far behind Romney in the delegate count.
It's amazing to me how you can be doing so poorly with actual Republican voters and yet still be crowned the leader by the leftist media.
Gee... I wonder who THEY want to win the GOP nomination?
Sorry McCain supporters and trolls, your guy is a L-I-B-E-R-A-L.
Say it together now with clasped hands and form a support group.
I see a red door and I want to paint it purple,
no color anymore, I want to paint it purple!
Lord please look after America, please let her see the value of conservative federalism before it's too late. In your name amen. Oh yeah, Lord, I hate purple! Thanks again
Tim Schieferecke
I have waited eight years for this moment. In 2000, South Carolina broke my heart – rejecting a candidate I thought would be an exciting and dynamic president in favor of someone I found…well, lets just say not very inspiring. But who says you don’t get second chances in life? There are many battles yet to be fought before the nomination is won, but for now I see McCain as having the inside track. He goes now to FL – my state – where I have already cast my ballot for him – and then to Super Duper Tuesday where the national polls WILL matter. Tonight, I am constantly playing McCain’s theme song from SC eight years ago – it seems even more apt now than then.
We’ve come a long, long way together
Through the bad times and the good
I’ve got to celebrate you baby
I’ve got to praise you like I should
literally.
I'm not the religious type. But thank God.
Well, I actually AM the religious type. And thank God indeed. Amen, amen!
Inspiring?
Have you gotten out much in the last eight years or have you stayed in a closet, sucking your thumb waiting for Johnny Mac to ride back onto the scene?
For the record, a piece of dried cardboard is more inspiring than Senator McCain.
If McCain wins the nomination, I think I'll write in "Brutus" in November. Why vote for Johnny-come-lately when you can vote for the original backstabber?
"Why vote for Johnny-come-lately when you can vote for the original backstabber?"
LOVE THAT QUOTE!!!
McCain as frontrunner? That's a laugh! With his record, he has about the same chance as a field goal kicker going for it from the 50 yard line without turning the laces out! LOL
Tim Schieferecke
HAHA.. How's that for the inside track?
Way to be SC. Shut down the Huckster.
"Some people believe football is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much, much more important than that." - Bill Shankly
he keeps the value voters cornered and out of reach of Romney. And prevents all the big faith organizations (FRC et al) from coalescing/endorsing Romney. Don't forget Romney's original plan of being the value voters alternative to Rudy. Huckabee blew that plan apart.
Huckabee is useful. And I actually genuinely like the guy.
Congrats McCain!
I strongly believe you are the most electable Republican, will help Republican congressional candidates around country, and help us possibly win some of those purple states.
Its time us Republicans stop the infighting and realize we must be a open tent party and not just be seen as a Southern regional party.
the media panderers?
Last time I checked Mitt Romney wasn't from the south. Nice try though ;) LOL.
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