"GOD DAMN AMERICA!!" (and other stories straight from the Bible)
It's not the action that sinks you...it's the lying about it
By Jeff Emanuel Posted in 2008 | Jeremiah Wright | Lies And The Lying Liars Who Tell Them | Obamafiles — Comments (37) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
If there's one lesson that has been abundantly clear from the fall of public figures over the last few years -- Bill Clinton, Roger Clemens, Rafael Palmeiro, Eliot Spitzer, Mike Vick, Alberto Gonzales, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera -- it is that the bad deed is not what does in the person who commits it; rather, it is the persistent lying about it that does.
Barack Obama's continued pathetic attempts to spin (read: lie about) the situation regarding his involvement with Jeremiah Wright's black-separatist megachurch shows that he, like all of those listed above and so many more, is afflicted with the same elitist mindset that drove the others to maintain that they were innocent of those things which they were rightly accused of.
"Those other guys got caught, but they'll never catch me"--or some variant thereof -- seems to drive these elitist jackasses to deny, deny, deny in the face of all evidence and logic. Somehow, they will be the ones who don't get caught, despite the fact that history shows they will, sooner or later, have to pay the piper in some form or another.
In this case, Barack Obama is spinning like a top trying to marginalize his association with the pastor of his church. The fact that this pastor, Jeremiah Wright, was chosen by Barack and Michelle to officiate their wedding and to baptize one of their children, and served as the inspiration for the title of Obama's autobiography is making that feat a little bit tougher than Barack "The H is for Hope, not Hussein!" Obama might wish. But don't worry -- Obama is convinced enough of your stupidity and of his superiority that he'll keep spinning and lying until he has talked himself into a corner from which there is no escape.
Read on.
Obama now has surrogates like Dick Durbin (D -- of course -- IL) out spreading incredibly weak lies on his behalf. For example, Durbin is apparently arguing that Wright made most of these "controversial" (only to White Republican Racists, of course!) statements and comments long before Barack ever started coming to the church. (The other argument, as made to this point by Obama and some of his other surrogates, has been that he was conveniently absent from the building on the days that the firebrand, racist, bigoted pastor gave so many of his racist, bigoted sermons -- and that he never once heard about them from any of the tens of thousands of members.)
Now, it takes an ego the size of a mountain -- and faith that your countrymen are mind-blowingly stupid -- to make such an insipid and pathetic argument as this on Obama's behalf. Two basic, obvious reasons come to mind immediately:
1) If Wright had made all of these statements before the Obamas joined the church -- and the Obamas "vehemently disagree" with them -- why did they join it at all? This pastor had a track record of being a racist bigot who was anti-America and anti-white, and was alleged to have made every single controversial statement along these lines before the Obamas stumbled into his little piece of bigoted heaven -- and they never sensed, heard about, or found out in any way about these messages while they were investigating whether or not this church was the right place for them to make their spiritual home?
The fact is, as has been documented in the past, Barack Obama has had a problem establishing his bona fides -- or his "street cred," if you will -- with the activist African American community. Sidling up to people like Jeremiah Wright and Louis Farrakhan helped solve that problem of "authenticity"; therefore, they were expedient political allies. Joining Wright's church was either about religion -- which is evidence that Obama likely has far too much in common race-and-America-hating-wise with Jeremiah Wright than anybody allowed near the presidency can be rightly allowed to have -- or it was about politics and snowing the public into thinking that he had certain religious beliefs, until such a time as that relationship of political expediency was no longer needed -- something which is troubling in its own right.
2) In keeping with the trend of belief that Americans are some of the stupidest people on the planet, Dick Durbin, in using the line of defense that Wright had spewed his entire fill of hate before the Obamas joined his church 20 years ago, is counting on the memories and math skills of average Americans to have been so dumbed down by the public schools that they don't know which comes first, seven years or twenty years.
You see, it was Wright who, from the pulpit, called 9/11 something America brought on itself, and who screamed "GOD DAMN AMERICA -- that's in the Bible!" during one of his many hate-filled sermons after that tragic event, which happened 6 years, 7 months ago. ...But the Obamas have been members of Wright's church for twenty years, have they not? Now, I never finished my Astrophysics degree -- something I plan to do one day -- but I think that my simple arithmetic skills will suffice to determine that September 11, 2001 did not take place before BarackObama joined Wright's church 20 years ago. Anybody disagree with that?
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Regardless of all of this, Barack HopeChangeHopeEmptyWordsAndNowLies Obama's current situation is one of his own making. In trying to be all things to all (leftist) people, he has painted himself into a corner like a cat in a room full of rocking chairs. In an attempt to escape the stigma of his rumored-to-be-Muslim childhood, and his distasteful middle name, and in an attempt to promote his Authentic Blackness to the community whose support he needed to get elected to office in Chicago, Obama played up his membership in Jeremiah Wright's church as much as he possibly could. "He's not a Muslim -- he's a practicing, church-attending, devout Christian!" we were told over and over and over again.
Now, that lie is coming back to bite the wannabe Messiah in the backside. It's too bad, really; if BarackObama had decided to attend a real Christian church, instead of a racist, bigoted, politics-and-profanity-from-the-pulpit sewer of a "church," he might have learned the most valuable lesson of all: man's fallibility.
Sadly, he's now in the process of learning that one the hard way -- as well as the lesson that he is not, regardless of his, Michelle's, and their diehard supporters' apparent beliefs, a messianic, overman figure.
Nope -- he's just a man. And a pathetic, lying man at that.
Sad.
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I never knew President Kennedy's father was an anti-semite. I just heard that on BSNBC -- Obama's surrogates are driving that talking point: "We don't blame Ted Kennedy for his father's anti-semitism." We don't blame Teddy because we didn't know it, until Obama dredged up ancient Kennedy family history for damage control. That and the famous Malcolm X quote on JFK.
Ted Kennedy looks like a fool. He passes on 'the Kennedy torch' to Obama, and then Obama slimes his family when he gets cornered.
You're gonna need more than one lesson. And you're gonna get more than one lesson.
Truly MichelleObama's church. And he just went along for the ride for the political "street cred". Just listen to her attitude and read from her MS Thesis. But he made his bed and now he has to lie in it, with her. Think about it: he was not raised in black America. It's amazing he got elected in South Side of Chicago (my hometown). Excellent posting, Jeff!
Also, Michelle's sob stories about finally paying off the student loans: at the ridiculously-low rates they likely were paying, why would anyone pay them off early?
-- A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Anyone care to change sides?
-- Saving baby whales and baby trees, but killing baby humans. Huh?
-- imwithfred --
Barack joined before he met Michelle. He met Wright doig fundraising (so the story goes), discovered that he was an apostate Muslim, and the rest is history.
But yes, it's Michelle's church. She reeks of the place from every pore.
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Gone 2500 years, still not PC.
dead on ...it will soon be an issue about the man, BHO lying to America. Perfect.
I do have one question though...this is about his judgement...Is it fair to question this man and his wifes judgement for taking their young children to such a hate filled place?.. I mean, ok, if he wasn't there for X sermon, or on Y date, were his wife and children? And what does it say about a man that would take his children to such a place?
Just wondering what others see as "fair game" in this instance.
" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised
everything she says and does is fair game. Questioning the judgement of taking their little girls to that hate-filled church is as well.
they expose their young to it first hand..at a church no less.
Freaking sick. Great judgement Barack and Michelle
" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised
... assuming of course truth's value is strictly a cost-benefit means to an end.
Evangelical Christians believe that one day soon Jesus will return to earth, pull a gleaming, silver sword out of his throat and proceed to slaughter approximately 2.5 billion people who are contrary to the Evangelical faith (that's the amount of blood it would take to fill the Jezreel Valley to a depth of 4 1/2 feet deep and create a 200 mile river of blood). Those who would be saved amount to approximately 144,000 believers. The heathens lucky enough to avoid immediate slaughter a lake of everlasting fire after being judged by Jesus perched upon a silver throne while interviewing those of questionable character. Evangelicals do not specify if Jesus uses a devine checklist or handles each case indivually. There is no mention of how pre-judgement people are handled who die of old age while waiting in line for Jesus to interview them.
This is a radical personality change from the Jesus we know from the Bible. Why exactly Jesus turns into a blood-thristy psychopath is a human invention, which evangelicals belive was revealed by a divinely inspired Irishman.
Assuming that many of the victims of this genocide are American citizens, there is no question that evangelicals support the use of weapons of mass destruction being used against their fellow countrymen. In fact, they are excited for the rapture to happen and pray for the day they sit in their white, silk robes cheering Jesus as he inflicts everlasting pain upon the masses.
Jews have the option of converting to Evangelical Christianity or meeting the same fate.
Odd that Rev. Wright is being criticized with such vigor. Whatever he believes is mild compared to the genocide Evangelicals so enthusiastically embrace. As for the children, I'd much prefer them being exposed to the teaching of Rev. Wright than the homicidal manics preaching Evangelical Christianity.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
would be the one who, in your version, never said
For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul? For the Son of Man is going to come with his angels in the glory of his Father, and then he will repay each person according to what he has done. (Matthew 16:26-27, ESV)
or
"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?' And the King will answer them, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.'
"Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' Then they also will answer, saying, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?' Then he will answer them, saying, 'Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.' And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life." (Matthew 25:31-36, ESV)
or
"I tell you, my friends, do not fear those who kill the body, and after that have nothing more that they can do. But I will warn you whom to fear: fear him who, after he has killed, has authority to cast into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him! (Luke 12:4-5, ESV)
or
"Whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him if a great millstone were hung around his neck and he were thrown into the sea. And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell, to the unquenchable fire. And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than with two feet to be thrown into hell. And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, 'where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.'" (Mark 9:42-48, ESV)
or
"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you build the tombs of the prophets and decorate the monuments of the righteous, saying, 'If we had lived in the days of our fathers, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.' Thus you witness against yourselves that you are sons of those who murdered the prophets. Fill up, then, the measure of your fathers. You serpents, you brood of vipers, how are you to escape being sentenced to hell? (Matthew 23:29-33, ESV)
or
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' and then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.' (Matthew 7:21-23, ESV)
for starters.
soli Deo gloria
human being. Take your bile-filled, vitriolic bilge elsewhere. And get back on your meds while you are at it.
There are a number of well stated comments on this thread. However, to call CincoSolas del Bronx's vile and disgusting is uncalled for. We all have personal interpretations of many of the Bible's verses. It seems to me that even though you may disagree with CincoSolas there is no need to be so vitriolic.
I'm quite sure this fine lady was referring to Mr. Williams and his comments above.*
It pays to look at how the comments are indented under one another, as well as getting a feel for how some people in these parts express themselves, y'see, before being too quick on the trigger.
*And if your assumption is correct, let's just say that I would have given a radically different sort of answer than you did!
soli Deo gloria
the protocol. On my screen the comment was not indented and directly followed your Bible quotes which I thought were an appropriate response to the comments of Mr. Williams. There are a number of nonbelievers within the conservative movement even though there is a sound biblical foundation for thinking otherwise. I must be wrong in thinking that Redstate is a forum for conservative debate. At Townhall.com the format is much less formal and I assumed incorrectly that you followed a similar format here. My mistake.
It's often hard even for longtime regulars to know what post is being addressed; must drive newbies nuts.
In Vino Veritas
A new site just takes a little getting used to :-)
engage in debate here on any number of topics related to conservatism, to the apparent profit of many--but then there are certain comments which seem not to fall within the pale of "debate" at all. I am guessing that was c17wife's point.
If my assumption is correct, help me better understand why you feel you "must be wrong in thinking that Redstate is a forum for conservative debate".
soli Deo gloria
conservative for 40 years and worked around conservatives for the same amount of time. But I am new to internet blogs and really have no idea about the code of conduct that should be followed.
Mostly I am here to try and understand what is happening with the conservative movement. I live in a very conservative state (Texas)and a very conservative district but last election (2006) the incumbent Republican from my district got his butt kicked by a Democrat. After watching Hastert's house seat go down in flames to a Democrat, I thought it was time to try and do something about it.
Because I am one of the most "computer savvy" in a group of donors (at 58 years old I am by far the youngest), I was appointed the task of learning about what the young, internet types are thinking. There are a number of Republican districts here that need to be defended and we are trying to analyze the best means of doing so.
I know, I know; a long reply to a short question.
...why you and markwilliams share email prefixes and IPs, and I can guarantee that the Directors will be fascinated to hear all about it.
Moe
PS: You weren't bad, which is why I have no intention of telling you where you screwed this one up.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
now he doesn't get to hear the--ahem--doctrinal reasons he screwed up, either...
soli Deo gloria
My suggestion is to jump in when you feel like it, but possibly get to know some of the characters around here before you react to something. A couple years ago, when I first started here, I had a mild misunderstanding with Neil. Actually, at the time I didn't know what a "troll" was and stuck my foot in my mouth. So, I observed for awhile and figured out what the deal was. Anyway, welcome!
See? I still miss stuff... after all this time. Nice catch, Moe.
evangelical ministers homicidial maniacs is in any way conservative?
I am a devout Catholic and have had to listen to attacks on the Pope and really bad Pope jokes for as long as I can remember and most of them come from my conservative friends. I am surprised Mr. Williams has not responded to this chatter. Maybe he is busy offending people on another blog.
Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
of all here is that there is no need for any Republican figure to say much on this. Best let Hil's groupies throw the mud and take the blame for draging him down for those still concerned about it, come November.
heroine (played by Nancy McKeown if memory serves) enteres the scene as the sheltered daughter of a mob family who thinks her father is in the shoe business. She marries a guy from another mob family who eventually goes into the business. When her husband tries to explain the family trade to her, he asks (paraphrasing here) "didn't you notice all those men with guns around your father?"
Well, at least she was a blushing young maiden who grew up in a convent school.
If Obama wants to be considered likewise, he can stick with his current story and say goodbye to his election chances. Else, he needs to come up with a more convincing explanation fast. G-d fast.
day-um Jeff, when you're on, you're on my man. and you are most definitely on here.
there is a great deal of satisfaction in watching the poor little Obamatons' world crumbling around them with the Big Lie of the Obama campaign.