Barack Obama: I'm Lying To You For Votes And You're Too Stupid To Know Any Better
Pretend my people NEVER said we should not hope for a democratic Iraq
By haystack Posted in 2008 | foreign policy | Iraq | Liberal Lies | Obamafiles | War and Peace — Comments (28) / Email this page » / Leave a comment »
This "100 year war" tug of war foolishness between Obama and McCain has gone far enough. Barack Obama is lying staight-faced to his followers, and he knows it. His Campaign Co-Chair is on record stating categorically that Iraq is "just the first of our Middle East occupations":
Look. We've been in Europe now since '45. We've been in Japan since '45. Been in Korea since '50. So we've had a European occupation force and a Asiatic occupation force for half a century, and we haven't had a Middle East occupation force, so this is a start of that, this is the way great powers operate, it's the way Rome operated. We will be in the Middle East for a long time. This is just the first of our Middle East occupations.
Barack Obama would have you believe that our being in Iraq is a bad thing. He is against war...well, war in Iraq... but has no problem expanding it in Afghanistan. According to a piece in the WSJ today:
Mr. Obama's call to increase the size of U.S. ground forces by 92,000 troops -- 65,000 for the Army and 27,000 for the Marines -- is precisely the figure offered by Secretary of Defense Bob Gates in 2007.
Fine. He wants to send 92,000 US Soldiers to Afghanistan to beat up an already "badly broken" Taliban, and rummage through caves looking for a couple old guys with cell phones and laptops running the war on terror. Whatever.
That he wants NO soldiers in the streets of Iraq to provide the necessary security and support for Iraqi citizens to conduct business, feed and clothe their families, and educate themselves escapes me, but even THIS is beside the point.
Obama's people are saying the same thing McCain is saying about Iraq...AND the greater Middle East. They are correct in suggesting we will continue exerting our lone superpower status, and they are even factually fair in pointing out that we don't always exert that status appropriately. We make mistakes sometimes too, after all. We've made our share in Iraq, to be sure, but leaving the place isn't how you correct them..is it Mr. "I want to be President without ever having to face reality?"
More below the "lies and the liars that tell them" fold...
Obama is getting a free pass from the anti-war media, despite the fact that the "reality of war and peace" is quite clear in the minds of his advisers. Obama is lying to you. An Obama administration will treat the Middle East no differently than a McCain administration-reality, and all that non-fluff stuff Barry likes to lie to you about, being what it is.
This election is about the mess he's going to make of the US...the economy, the health care system, the tax burdens on all of us, the small businesses he'll singlehandedly destroy, and the number and manner by which more innocent unborn children will be killed....it's NOT about how he'll deal with Iraq differently [read "pull them out of Iraq and send them to Afghanistan"], because he WON'T.
The WSJ piece suggests Obama might not understand the meaning of defeat. He needs to get the crash course on it in November.
In the close, WSJ's Bret Stephens reminds us of a passage in "the speech heard 'round the world" when "Obama noted that there was no point trying to best Mr. McCain in matters of experience, that what counted was good judgment".
Good judgment might have been for Obama to let go of the 100 years war rhetoric before the dots were connected between his lies to us on Iraq...or his poor judgment in selecting a campaign CO-CHAIR who sees Iraq exactly the same as McCain does.
Move to a new subject Barry-we know ALL about what you WON'T be doing in Iraq.
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these people are coming out of the wood works today.
Time to start swinging.
They seem to think coming here and making fools of themselves will ease their pain about the horrible nature of their candidates. Thankfully the best the libs can come up with is making objects of ridicule of themselves. Now a conservative would just look around and see if they could do something to improve things. If the libs ever started being proactive and forward looking well they would be briefly dangerous. Briefly, because as they started to realize they are responsible for their fates, they would become conservatives.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
...or maybe their psychiatrist. Posting the same irrational screed on multiple threads under multiple names - maybe a multiple personality disorder?
Wait.
It already has.
Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
Fighting for conservatism one day at a time.
"He wants to send 92,000 US Soldiers to Afghanistan to beat up an already "badly broken" Taliban, and rummage through caves looking for a couple old guys with cell phones and laptops running the war on terror. Whatever."
Those 'old guys' killed almost 3000 Americans on 9/11- please don't forget that and toss it aside with a flippant "whatever."
Could you also please post a link to the "badly broken" Taliban quote? Thank you.
With a handle like that and your views on the WOT, you're a dead ringer for quite a number of our esteemed Democratic congressional representatives (as well as a few with Rs next to their names).
...in the Cornyn thread, and you stood me up. Use the contact form to make amends.
and there are thousands more willing to do likewise...NOT IN THE CAVES with the old guys-
I honor the loss of the 9/11 victims as much as anyone else...and that includes preventing it from happening again by killing anyone else that wants to try it-BEFORE they can pull it off.
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
All Democrats campaign that way.
It makes me want to jump through the tv and punch them in the face.
What I hear you arguing is that, because Obama's campaign co-chair gave an interview in 2003 in which he expressed support for an extended occupation of Iraq (and despite the fact that he seems to have changed his mind, just like McCain did about his support of withdrawing from Somalia, as the WSJ article you cite above notes), Obama must also support an extended occupation of Iraq, despite his assertions to the contrary, and therefore is a liar.
This seems a bit of a stretch to me.
a food I grew up thoroughly enjoying, raised in Maryland as I was...
do you really think McPeak's change of heart after 30+ years in the Military, all the way up to Secretary of the Air Force was because he thought he was wrong?
Or because it was expedient for him to do so given his employment status in the Obama campaign?
Cynicism and skepticism are two important criteria for listening to anything from HuffPo OR the Democrats running for President my friend...
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
about his change of heart on Iraq in order to retain his employment in the Obama campaign. If so, how does this make Obama a liar?
Obama has a campaign co-chair who once claimed to support a long war in Iraq but who now claims to support withdrawal and states that Obama was right all along. How does this reflect poorly on Obama?
If people actually believe that the former position of one of Obama's campaign co-chairs better represents Obama's position on Iraq than the one he's been consistently espousing since before the invasion, then perhaps I should be investing in Reynolds.
he knows full well he will not and can not do what he says in his campaign promises that he is going to do in Iraq.
He wontt pull all troops out, he won't do it one or two brigades a month, and he won't remove all American presence in Iraq OR the Middle east at large. He can't-and he knows from his advisers that it would make the ME worse not better.
Barry's lying just like Pelosi and Reid and Clinton...to keep the cash flowing from the far left anti-war code-pinkers and moveon crowd...
if/when they take the oath of office, they'll be telling us we can't (just yet) do what we promised inre: Iraq...but thank you for your vote-have a nice day.
Iustum et tenacem propositi virum non civium ardor prava iubentium, non vultus instantis tyranni mente quatit solida.
-Quintus Horatius Flaccus
But that has nothing to do with the content of your post, which claimed that we know that Barack is lying because one of his co-chairs supports (better: used to support) a long stay in Iraq. It seems you now realize that this is a silly argument and are now trying to make the case that we know Obama is lying because we CAN'T leave Iraq.
If that is the new argument you are making, then we'll have to wait and see, but nothing you've provided in your post provides any evidence for it.
In the run-up to the Iraq War, General McPeak had expressed strong reservations about Rumsfeld's leadership, and about the wisdom of the entire operation.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,120128,00.html
Later, General McPeak joined the campaign of Howard Dean for President in 2004. And when that failed, he switched to the Kerry for President campaign. He was one of those generals that Kerry trotted out at the 2004 Democratic convention to support him and oppose the Bush Administration.
Quite a few of our military officers had reservations about the Iraq War operation. But they were ignored; or in the case of General Shinseki, shunted aside.
For the last couple of weeks its been liberal democrats that have shown themselves to be racist anti-Americans.
I guess their tent is so big that it has room for the absolute worst racists in a generation. Plus room for B.H. "The Enabler" Obama and his sweet wife Michelle "Who You Lookin at Whitey" Obama ...
Obama has been calling for more troops in Afgan for years ?
News to me and news to you if you actually knew what Obamas position has been ...
Anti-Military chicken sh*t ... That's Obamas position ...
Racist loving mixed with a good dose of anti-American hate Now thats change we can all agree on !!!
2) Context is also your friend. I was addressing Obama's position on Iraq, not Afghanistan.
3) Obama has never opposed the war in Afghanistan. He has consistently said that the real war is there. He calls for more troops now because we need them there now.
4) Name-calling is an ineffective debate tactic, and it makes you look stupid. If your aren't, then avoid it. If you are, there's no need to advertise it; we'll find out quickly enough on our own.
A bunch of Obama's supporters have said that after they get the U.S. out of Iraq, their next move is to get us to withdraw from Afghanistan.
Last week, The Nation published a screed, "Progressives for Obama," signed by Tom Hayden, Barbara Ehrenreich and a bunch of similar left-wingers. In it, they said that after Obama wins the White House, they will begin campaigning to stop ALL U.S. military operations everywhere, not just Iraq--and they specifically included Afghanistan.
It's the powerful left-wing of Obama's coalition that I'm worried about. They're not just interested in cashiering Iraq. They also want to abandon Afghanistan and Israel to their own respective fates as well. I read The Nation and The Carpetbagger Report and other left-wing media, so I know that's their plan.
And if they help get Obama elected, they are going to demand payback for their efforts.
Do you really want to judge McCain by Robertson's and Hagee's long-term goals for America?
If the only way you can argue against Obama's various positions is to ignore them and replace them with those of some extremists who happen to support him, then your both being unfair and demonstrating a remarkable lack of imagination. It's not that hard to attack Obama's real positions. There's no need to replace them with strawmen and windmills.
...should make Obama his HUD secretary. Then he can fight the war on poverty by pulling out all law enforcement personnel and send them to secure Wall St.
We knew this before. The Jeremiah Wright controversy was enough to unmask Barry as a red-faced liar. This is the same guy who said "They found five or six of his most offensive statements, boiled that down into a half-an-hour sound clip, or a half-minute sound clip, and just played it over and over . . ." to an audience in North Carolina.
He has no room to talk about a hundred years or sound bites of ANYTHING so yes, he should have dropped the rhetoric a long time ago.
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