Health Care Litigation Update


Two Federal Courts found the health care mandate constitutional – in Michigan and in Virginia.  Two others, in preliminary rulings, indicate they will likely rule the mandate unconstitutional – in Virginia and in Florida.  For what it is worth, the former are both Democrat appointees and the latter Republican appointees.

The Michigan case is before the Sixth Circuit Court of Appeals, with briefs due soon.  The remaining Virginia and Florida cases are in Summary Judgment stage.   I believe the matter will be before the Eleventh and Fourth Circuits by next summer.  While other cases are pending, these are the primary ones to watch.

My analysis has evolved.  While I joined an amicus brief in Virginia, I plan my own for the Circuits.  My focus is primarily tax law and the Necessary and Proper clause.

Contrary to proponents’ arguments, the government must win on both the Commerce Clause and the Taxing Power.  Opponents must win on merely one.  Unlike others, I emphasize important distinctions between the Mandate and the Penalty: we must analyze the Mandate under the Commerce Clause, but the Penalty under both the Necessary and Proper Clause, as well as under the Taxing Power.

Clearly, the Mandate is unconstitutional under the CC.  Contrary to what the Michigan Court held, it attempts to regulate inactivity.  The Court, unfortunately, viewed not having health insurance as an economic decision subject to constitutional regulation.  I disagree.  Others have made that case, so I will not focus on it.  On a positive note, the Michigan Court – as have all others – ruled favorably for opponents on standing and ripeness.  The Court also ruled favorably on the Anti-injunction Act, a critical issue the Florida Court muffed.  The Florida judge correctly did not apply the Act; however, he failed to note the most important limitation: it precludes suits to enjoin taxes by any “person.”  States – the primary litigants in the Virginia and Florida cases – are not persons for purposes of the Act.

Even if the Circuits were to find the Mandate constitutional (I predict one or two will), they must then analyze the Penalty separately – something most commentators have failed to do.  To be constitutional, the Penalty must satisfy the Necessary and Proper clause of Article I, Section 8.  According to Hamilton in Federalist 33, this adds no powers; instead, it limits Congress to existing powers. Madison agreed, in part, in Federalist 44. Even the Supreme Court in McCulloch and Comstock used language effectively limiting N&P – at least in cases of over-lapping powers. Such is the case here. Congress can enforce a commerce regulation using implied police powers, seizure, Spending, prohibitory force, mandatory force, through engaging in actual commerce, or through levying and collecting monetary charges.

Most opponents view the Penalty under N&P via the CC. While I agree, I believe Courts must also reconcile it with the Taxing Power. Consistent jurisprudence, plus the writings of Hamilton and Madison support my view. In addition, the Taxing Power, as I explained in “Of Constitutional Decapitation and Healthcare” was the most important reason for the Constitution. As I further explained in “Oy Yes, the Healthcare Penalty is Unconstitutional,” the Penalty cannot survive the Taxing Power limitations.

Congress may impose duties and imposts, which the Penalty is not. It may impose excises, which the Penalty is labeled in part; however, it may not impose an excise on inactivity. This is critical: even if the Circuits find the CC power reaches “economic decisions,” as did the Michigan Court, no authority has ever found the Excise Tax Power to reach such things. Never. Thus, even if the Mandate passes the CC (which I doubt), the Penalty will fail the Excise Power.

Congress may also impose taxes on “Gross income from whatever source derived.” As I explained here and here, the Penalty fails to reach “gross income” “from” “source” and “derived.” The argument is complicated, but I remain very confident. Only two academics have challenged my arguments. I dealt with both here.

Congress may also impose a tax on individuals (a Capitation) or on land (other Direct Taxes). This is how one would properly classify the Penalty; however, such taxes must be Apportioned, which the Penalty is not.

Lastly, occasional an academic suggests a hidden taxing power heretofore undiscovered. I deal with this in my articles. I would be very surprised if the Circuits or the SC choose this analysis.

I predict the case will reach the SC in early 2012, if not late 2011. I’m not yet publicly stating my predictions on that outcome: mostly it depends on how the opponents argue the case.



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They could call it a non-penalty.

Menlo (Diary) Sunday, December 5th at 4:46PM EST (link)

Under the act, those who refuse to pay the penalty are not subject to imprisonment, liens, or levies.

About the most they can do is deny a tax refund.

I’ve brought this up before, but people on this site believe the IRS will simply defy that whole provision of the act.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

Great point Menlo, and actually that fact could save the mandate from

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, December 5th at 5:27PM EST (link)

being struck down. more later

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You are correct.

Steven Willis (Diary) Sunday, December 5th at 9:37PM EST (link)

I’ve discussed the very limited enforcement of the section 5000A penalty. Effectively, it acts at most as a “set-off”.

This, I believe, has nothing to do with the constitutionality of the Mandate. At most, it affects the constitutionality of the Penalty, which I strongly feel we must analyze separately. An inefficient and largely ineffective penalty must nevertheless satisfy the Necessary and Proper clause. Because it involves the taking of money, I believe it must satisfy the limitations on the Taxing Power, which it does not.

Otherwise, I am unsure what you mean by people believing the “IRS will simply defy” that portion. Who believes that? How would the Service do that and why would I care?

“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
Paul, Second Timothy 4:7, The New Covenant.

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I can't recall exactly

Menlo (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 12:25AM EST (link)

It was some months ago that someone on here was saying that the IRS would consider the money not paid on the penalty to be money not paid on the regular income taxes. I did not and still do not believe they would attempt such an accounting gimmick.

Ultimately it does not matter. Whether something is really constitutional or not is irrelevant to the courts, as it is to every branch of government. That explains the quote I use on my posts.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

Understood

Steven Willis (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 7:28AM EST (link)

Yes, money not paid on the penalty will off-set a refund due for income or excises; otherwise, I see no opportunity for enforcement.

Some judges and some legislators and some government officials continue to concern themselves with the actual words and original meaning of the Constitution.

Occasionally, higher Courts actually apply statutes as written rather than as they wish they’d been written. I could cite many examples, though they would not involve federal law. I agree too many unfortunately have lost their way.

Please do not give up; hence, the quotation I use, which transcends religion into many aspects of life.

“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
Paul, Second Timothy 4:7, The New Covenant.

Steve Willis
Professor of Law
University of Florida College of Law

I disagree

Menlo (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 1:09PM EST (link)

Find me a judge who has refused to regard either implicitly or explicitly any prior judicial ruling that did stray from such meaning. No such person could be nominated, let alone confirmed. The whole system is unjust and dishonest and lacks the slightest iota of integrity, in large part as the result of so-called “law” schools.

It doesn’t really matter to me though. I’ve said before I’d prefer to lop off the whole judicial branch as I have no respect for it whatsoever.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

On the penalty aspect here is how the IRS gets around it

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 3:07PM EST (link)

They get your check for payment of taxes and apply it to the penalty first and then the balance to any remaining income taxes due. (They do audit credit card companies. This was SOP for them until it was regulated away. The IRS will simply copy the model.)

The penalty gets paid first. If that leaves you with a income tax balance they will say it is your income tax that has not been paid.

Since most folks get a check from the IRS each year (aren’t they so nice) they of course will get the offset discussed already.

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That's the nonsense I was mentioning.

Menlo (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 4:01PM EST (link)

I don’t know anything about the taxation of credit card companies, but I am quite certain the scenario here where individuals are concerned is very different and much less complex.

You can point out all the analogies you want, but that’s not going to happen.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

It isn't about taxation of Credit Card companies

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 4:15PM EST (link)

I was being a little flippant with that.

It is only about how your payment gets applied. Credit card companies used to apply payments to the part of the balance that carried the lowest interest rates.

The 0% special deal they mailed to you. They would take your monthly payment and apply it first to that balance and then use the rest to pay down your higher interest rate balance. Since most cards had an interest rate of 15% to 20% or more on regular purchases this left you paying higher rates on the balance you carried.

What the IRS will do is simple. They will apply your payment to the healthcare penalty first and then apply the funds leftover to your taxes. It will show you paid up on the penalty but still owing on income tax. They will then be able to do all the usual stuff they can do with underpayment of taxes.

It may be a multiyear process whereby they apply currently withheld taxes to last year’s penalty.

Or maybe they won’t do any of it. They have always acted honorably in the past. :-)

Maybe this seems kooky to you. It has precedent. That is where the CC companies come in.

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When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

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No it does not

Menlo (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 5:19PM EST (link)

The statute is quite clear. In order for the penalty to be applied at all, it is going to have to be separated in the tax form or in a different tax form. For people who have taxes taken out by the employer and no other source of income, it won’t even be added to the same payment.

The bottom line is that the IRS won’t have the choice of where to credit payments unless they simply choose to defy the statute, and that’s what you are saying will happen. I don’t think so.

It’s already been established the IRS will deny refunds to cover penalties (and probably any outstanding ones), so that’s to be expected.

Of course if Congress is differently composed in 2013, it may make modifications.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

not saying you are wrong, I haven't read it all but

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 6:31PM EST (link)

From http://ria.thomsonreuters.com/newlaw/newlawupdate.pdf

Related to enforcement.

On page 33, the first full paragraph should be deleted and replaced with
the following description of the limitations on administration and procedure of
section 5000A as enacted:1
The penalty applies to any period the individual does not maintain
minimum essential coverage and is determined monthly. The penalty is an
excise tax that is assessed in the same manner as an assessable penalty
under the enforcement provisions of subtitle F of the Code.2 As a result, it
is assessable without regard to the restrictions of section 6213(b).
Although assessable and collectible under the Code, the IRS authority to
use certain collection methods is limited. Specifically, the filing of notices
of liens and levies otherwise authorized for collection of taxes does not
apply to the collection of this penalty. In addition, the statute waives
criminal penalties for non-compliance with the requirement to maintain
minimum essential coverage. However, the authority to offset refunds or
credits is not limited by this provision.

Seems open enough to drive a small truck through.

Do you have a link for what specifically limits the definition of a credit to not include a standard payment before it is applied?

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

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Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

You only confirmed my point!

Menlo (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 7:01PM EST (link)

As I said, they can take such penalties from amounts already paid to them that they would otherwise return to you. That is what they mean by “credits.”

Regardless, the provision is meaningless if payments of taxes are not credited separately because the penalties for nonpayment could not possibly be segregated as the statute requires. What you quoted above actually confirms that.

The only alternative is outright and overt defiance on the part of the IRS.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

I don't exactly see it that way.

RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 7:40PM EST (link)

Since they break out refunds and credits separately it is clear they see a difference between the two.

I see a bureaucrat with check in hand wondering where to credit it. I don’t see something that says it can’t go to the penalty.

I file quarterly. For me credits aren’t refunds. Credits are applied to the next quarter’s payment or more commonly the next year’s payment.

I may be wrong about their ability to shift any funds at will. Hopefully we will never have the opportunity to find out.

I will say this, ObamaCare or not, I make it a policy to always owe money on 4/15.

Most likely if they are unable to collect the funds, as I think they will do, they will instead get a future congress to make a “minor” change in order to collect all of the unpaid “taxes.” It will be evil rich people who owe because everybody else will have their refunds offset.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

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Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

To me, they are the same.

Menlo (Diary) Monday, December 6th at 8:37PM EST (link)

A credit may be for a different purpose, but I see it the same way. It’s still a denial of money from the government.

I may be proven wrong, but I do not believe that any Congress in the next several decades will have the will, let alone the votes, to toughen penalty enforcement for this thing. If they have such problems, I see many other alternatives that are more likely, including completely overhauling the system into a more European style.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

 
 

Interesting take on "credits"

Steven Willis (Diary) Tuesday, December 7th at 8:00AM EST (link)

Typically the term “credit” refers to tax credits (as opposed to deductions). However, payments of taxes are also treated as “credits” under Subtitle F. Your feared approach is plausible. While I know some of the people writing the regulations to enforce this – at Treasury, not the IRS – they will not tell me what they have in mind.

In any event, a Treasury Regulation can be changed by a new Administration as it stems from the Executive rather than the Congress.

“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
Paul, Second Timothy 4:7, The New Covenant.

Steve Willis
Professor of Law
University of Florida College of Law

The treasury can't enforce anything.

Menlo (Diary) Tuesday, December 7th at 12:47PM EST (link)

It’s all in the hands of the IRS, so I don’t know what the treasury has to do with it.

I tend to think solely in terms of someone whose taxes are taken from his or her paycheck by an employer with no other source of revenue for the year. In order for the IRS to be in compliance, such a person who refused to abide by the mandate would not have his or her wages garnished in excess of the taxes ordinarily taken out. There are no alternative “approaches” short of outright defiance of the statute. I don’t “fear” anything; I just don’t think the IRS will defy it.

As for people with other more complicated tax situations, I can’t speak for them.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

The IRS is a dept. of the Treasury

itrytobenice (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 11:33AM EST (link)

and therefore responds entirely to their authority, hence they respond to the administration’s authority.

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I guess I was too technical

Steven Willis (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 7:38AM EST (link)

While the IRS is part of the Treasury, people who work on these things can be a bit OCD regarding who works where. Regulations come from Treasury and are subject to much different scrutiny than Revenue Rulings, which come from the IRS. In “tax speak,” the terminology matters a great deal.

I did not mean to suggest Menlo fears anything; instead, I meant to refer to his projected or anticipated approach.

“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
Paul, Second Timothy 4:7, The New Covenant.

Steve Willis
Professor of Law
University of Florida College of Law

 
 
 

Thanks for the ack

RoguePolitics (Diary) Tuesday, December 7th at 5:49PM EST (link)

I figure we must always assume every law will be abused to its maximum extent. (I don’t recall the originator of that position but I did adopt it.)

The idea that government would strictly obey the law, or the spirit of the law, seems a little incredible considering how poorly they obey the constitution.

With that in mind when Menlo says they won’t break regs I think the slightest pretext or opening will be used in the same way that the Commerce Clause is being abused. Without this readiness to abuse the Commerce Clause, ObamaCare would have been a nonstarter. But then virtually everything since TR would have been dead as well.

Everything about the left screams contempt for the rule of law.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

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There is a distinction

Menlo (Diary) Tuesday, December 7th at 10:08PM EST (link)

There is a difference between abuse and outright, willful defiance as well as “loose interpretation” and outright, willful defiance. The scenario describes clearly and unquestionably is defiance on the part of the IRS.

I guess we’ll find out though because I certainly won’t be obeying it.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

would this outright defiance include EPA imposed Cap and Trade?

RoguePolitics (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 11:26AM EST (link)

Or will that merely be a loose interpretation?

We have a lawless government. The only surprising thing about this is the level of surprise exhibited by us at their unblushing corruption.

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
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http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

Or the FCC on net neutrality!

scorpio0679 (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 2:37PM EST (link)

Via eweek.com:

In his public statement, Genachowski did not satisfactorily address whether or not the FCC can even make these rules. While he said the new framework is “grounded in a variety of provisions of the communications laws,” he also said there is no need to “reclassify broadband as a Title II telecommunications service.” He said there was “sound legal basis” for the framework.

However, the Washington D.C. appeals court ruled in the spring that the FCC did not currently have legal authority to regulate ISP network management. The case centered on whether the FCC could force Comcast to not block peer-to-peer file-sharing site BitTorrent on its network.

Still confident that Our Federal Government is on the side of the law?

Yep that too nt

RoguePolitics (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 3:50PM EST (link)

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.

http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 
 

Intuition

Menlo (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 6:11PM EST (link)

I do not predict on the basis of precedent or history and certainly not on trusting the government. I’m not one to generalize that way.

Even if I did, I will add that I don’t consider government action without authority the same as government action explicitly prohibited under the most recent applicable statute, though I’m sure it has precedent too.

Ultimately, you’ll just have to settle with intuition as my rationale in this specific instance.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

 
 
 
 
 
 

Thank you for the citation

Steven Willis (Diary) Tuesday, December 7th at 7:46AM EST (link)

Interesting how the JC refers to the penalty as an excise tax. That is incorrect; however, it helps set up the government’s litigation position.

Initially, the bill involved a tax. Then, the substitute bill changed it to a penalty grounded in the Commerce Clause and all reference to “tax” were omitted other than the placement in the IRC. Even there, the word “tax” only appears with regard to cross references. The President also insisted it is not a tax.

Now, the government wants to call it a tax because they fear the Commerce Clause attacks. In my opinion, they are creating a trap for themselves; however, I may be the only one involved in the litigation (and I am only very peripheral as a amicus) who see the tax trap.

Anyway, the JC report you cite is prepared by the Staff for the Joint Committee after enactment. It is not legislative history and not binding in any sense. Nevertheless, Courts often give it deference. Thus, staff commonly place comments in the Report which are not in the statute.

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I can name a few

Steven Willis (Diary) Tuesday, December 7th at 7:39AM EST (link)

1. I clerked for Judge Davis, now on the Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, while he was a trial judge. It was in the 70′s. In a major decision regarding “privacy” rights he decided against applying precedent because he read the Constitution for what it said. Although his clerks warned him, he decided the case correctly. Unfortunately,he was reversed.

2. I clerked for Judge Engolio in Louisiana in the early 1970′s. He was the first judge in the state to put women in jury pools, contrary to established cases. Ultimately, he was upheld.

3. The Justices in the two gun control cases followed the Constitution and not the common academic opinion of the 2d Amendment.

4. The Florida Supreme Court, in Zold v. Zold, applied the equitable distribution statute literally. The decision results in unfair consequences; however, the Court recognized the Legislature’s right to make the law, even if the law is not always wise.

Of course, I can name many many more cases which follow your cynical view. You are incorrect to say all judges fail to uphold their oaths. I work with judges and I sit on a panel that selects judges. I have a fairly good idea of who can get nominated.

Perhaps I have my rose colored glasses on at the moment; however, I remain optimistic the Health Care Act will be found unconstitutional.

“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
Paul, Second Timothy 4:7, The New Covenant.

Steve Willis
Professor of Law
University of Florida College of Law

That's not what I meant.

Menlo (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 11:00PM EST (link)

Particular cases, especially insignificant as those cited, don’t amount to anything and don’t disprove my point one bit.

I will strongly continue to believe the nation would be far better off with the whole branch gone for reasons too many, too varied, and too long and detailed to go into here and now.

I’ve gotten a good idea of how “law” schools think based on the past and present writings of their top elites. They are the very source of so many of the nation’s worst legal problems. I’ve said on here before that the whole purpose of “law” school is to teach defiance of the law. This seems particularly true of studies in “Constitutional law.” They perpetuated and are at the very root of all Constitutional violations by all government officials.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

 
 

On so-called "law" schools.

Steven Willis (Diary) Tuesday, December 7th at 8:03AM EST (link)

Right you are. You probably have no idea just how far left of center most law faculties are. I am the one and only registered Republican on a faculty of 75.

“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
Paul, Second Timothy 4:7, The New Covenant.

Steve Willis
Professor of Law
University of Florida College of Law

don't know if that calls for congratulations or condolences. nt

RoguePolitics (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 11:50AM EST (link)

“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell

“Ancient Rome declined because it had a Senate, now what’s going to happen to us with both a House and a Senate?” Will Rogers

When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry

http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
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http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.

 

It is unbelievable to me that such highly educated, intellectual lawyers . . .

scorpio0679 (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 2:49PM EST (link)

. . . who are generally considered to have reached the pinnacle of their profession*, can be so misguided. As a mere mortal I can plainly and simply understand the proposition that if a Constitution doesn’t have fixed meaning, then it is meaningless. If you can “amend” a constitution through legal “evolution,” then why have an amendment process?

Seems a little ridiculous to me. But then again, we are talking about lawyers.

*The saying is that in law school the C students go on to be the practicing attorneys in the world; the B students become judges; and the A students become professors. How then can the professors be so damn ignorant?

You have no idea

Steven Willis (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 7:44AM EST (link)

I could shock you all on just how ignorant many law professors are. Most reach that level because they are dysfunctional and cannot make a living practicing law. Things have deteriorated in the past three decades beyond even what I imagined – and I live in that world.

I have a colleague who openly professes we need to turn academics sharply leftward and affirmatively “politicize” the classroom.

For good news, students tend to ridicule such nonsense and are far more rational than most professors.

“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
Paul, Second Timothy 4:7, The New Covenant.

Steve Willis
Professor of Law
University of Florida College of Law

 
 
 
 
 

Menlo- 5's on your statement on the judiciary

scorpio0679 (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 2:24PM EST (link)

Whether something is really constitutional or not is irrelevant to the courts, as it is to every branch of government.

Pretty sad state of affairs, isn’t it? The worst part about it is that we are somehow being told that the only thing relevant to a judge’s “qualification” to hold office is their intellectual ability and ABA rating. In my view, the most important qualification is their understanding of the U.S. Constitution and how it is interpreted.

Any judge that believes anything resembling a living, breathing Constitution or the evolution of law is patently unqualified. Unfortunately, we get these types all the time and when you try to point this out, you are told you have to be tolerant of competing views of constitutional interpretation.

Ridiculous, but such is the world we live in.

Too bad it's not living

Menlo (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 10:20PM EST (link)

I’d say the Constitution is pretty much dead at this point.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

Menlo, I'm almost with you

Steven Willis (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 7:52AM EST (link)

Truly, if the Court ultimately upholds Obamacare on Commerce Clause grounds, I do not see what is left of the Constitution. Congress could then command you and me to purchase toothpaste rather than backing soda and broccoli rather than cauliflower. Even though the ObamaCare enforcement is weak, if the Courts uphold it, no reason exists why such rules could not become criminalized.

Hence, my efforts to help get it struck down. While all others fighting the fight have chosen to focus on CC, I focus on the Taxing Power and on the Necessary and Proper clause. I plan to write my own amicus briefs for the Circuits because I believe my approach can win. I know how arrogant that sounds; however, to proceed, I have to believe.

Although my Dean funded colleagues filing amici opposing the State of Florida on the gay adoption issue – and considered it part of they job performance – he declined to fund my work supporting the State of Florida on the Health Care Act. Indeed, he specifically described it as outside activity requiring his written permission, which I have not received. I am not allowed to use the University telephone or email system. Of course, I am ignoring those prescriptions. Tenure does serve some good.

“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
Paul, Second Timothy 4:7, The New Covenant.

Steve Willis
Professor of Law
University of Florida College of Law

The problem is more widespread.

Menlo (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 12:42PM EST (link)

That Congress, the executive branch, most “legal” analysts, a number of judges, and half the nation are in support or even taking it seriously should tell you enough. It should also say something when judicial opinions are considered and treated as the equivalent of the Constitution.

The thoughts of a few judges say nothing about the state of the Constitution. Judges have no higher duty to or knowledge of the Constitution than any of those who passed the acts they review. That’s one reason I believe “judicial review” as practiced is one of the biggest problems of the judiciary, but that is a different topic for another day.

My point here is that the Constitution has been dead for a long time.

“The ultimate touchstone of constitutionality is the Constitution itself and not what we have said about it.” -Felix Frankfurter

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Thanks for the explanation

eastbaylarry (Diary) Sunday, December 5th at 5:20PM EST (link)

Not being a lawyer, all the talk of the [un]Constitutionality of ObamaCare has left me in doubt as to what exactly would be the reason(s) for it.

Reading the Constitution and the Federalist Papers is not enough for a non-lawyer, such as myself, to build any solid arguments either way.

2+2=4 dammit!

GC highly recos this great legal analysis of ObamaCare litigation - more later - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, December 5th at 5:26PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 

Read the links

Steven Willis (Diary) Sunday, December 5th at 9:32PM EST (link)

I explain in the linked articles the reasons.

1. Art. I Sec. 8 permits Congress to regulate Commerce. Inactivity is not commerce. No case has ever gone this far. Wickard (growing wheat for oneself) and Raich (growing marijuana for oneself) go far, but not this far. To find the Mandate constitutional, the Court must extend the reach of commerce.

2. Art. I Sec. 9 limits the Taxing Power. The Penalty – which we should analyze separate from the Mandate – violates those limitations. No case has ever approved an excise on inactivity. This issue of “inactivity” is even more troublesome for the government than the one relating to commerce.

3. Art. I Sec. 8 permits (limits?) Congress to all laws necessary and proper for implementing and enforcing enumerated powers – such as the Commerce Clause. While some important cases analyze “necessary,” very few speak of “proper” to a significant extent. McCulloch and Comstock provide some help, but even they effectively restrict “proper” to existing powers. The Federalist papers – particularly Hamilton – provide the best evidence of what the word means.

Despite the fears of the anti-Federalists, I believe the Constitution grants limited enumerated powers. All other powers belong to the states or to the people. The Health Care Mandate and the Health Care Penalty are not within the powers granted Congress. If Congress can tell you to buy insurance from a private company, it can tell you to buy broccoli or spinach. Even if it can restrict your growing of wheat or marijuana for your own use, surely it cannot require you to grow it.

Indirect taxes must be uniform throughout the country. Direct taxes must be apportioned. If Congress can use its Commerce Regulatory power as an end run around those limitations, then nothing remains of them. Congress could require me to purchase a snowblower and tax me for not doing so, even though I reside in Florida.

I hope this helps.

“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
Paul, Second Timothy 4:7, The New Covenant.

Steve Willis
Professor of Law
University of Florida College of Law

 
 

The solution is to restore the original meaning of the commerce clause

timelyrenewed (Diary) Tuesday, December 7th at 2:12AM EST (link)

While these are good arguments against certain aspects of Obamacare, they labor under an overweening burden, which are 70 year old Supreme Court interpretations of the interstate commerce clause which expanded the reach of federal power far beyond any original understanding of the scope of that clause. Until this fundamental distortion of the Constitution is addressed, the leftists will always find other ways to expand federal power over heathcare and every other aspect of our national life even if the litigation against this one aspect of Obamacare is successful.

How do we restore those original meanings today after the original text has been so distorted and abused by the Supreme Court? Even supposedly “conservative” Congresses and Supreme Courts have failed to do much to roll back the vast unconstitutional expansion of the national government. We can not rely on politicians or judges to do it voluntarily. Rather, we need to amend the Constitution to restate those original meanings. By overturning all those decades of abuse by the Supreme Court, and putting clearly stated limits on Congress and the President which reflect the original constitutional allocation of powers in language which can not be misconstrued, will assure not only the end of Obamacare, but every other federal overreach. See www.timelyrenewed.com.

Read my comments more carefully

Steven Willis (Diary) Tuesday, December 7th at 7:53AM EST (link)

I do not rely on the Commerce Clause attack. I am very specific about this.

All other opponents focus on CC and then use the Taxing Power attack as a back up. They argue: it is not a tax, but if it is a tax, it is unconstitutional. While this is common litigation strategy, I find it weakens the argument.

I leave the CC arguments to others. Regardless of how that is resolved, the only legitimate enforcement is through laws which are Necessary and Proper, which gets us to the Taxing Power.

You are correct about the 70 years of CC jurisprudence. But, we have far less regarding Necessary and Proper – particularly “proper.” And the Taxing Power jurisprudence support finding the Penalty unconstitutional.

The Act has no severance clause. A Court could strike it all if it strikes any of it. I suspect that would not happen; however, if it strikes the Penalty, a Court would surely strike the Mandate as they are so intertwined within Section 5000A of the Internal Revenue Code. Without the Mandate or the Penalty, I believe the remainder of the law would fall under its own weight and repeal would be far easier.

“Let it be said, I fought the good fight, I finished the race, I kept the faith.”
Paul, Second Timothy 4:7, The New Covenant.

Steve Willis
Professor of Law
University of Florida College of Law

Thanks Professor

GregInFla (Diary) Tuesday, December 7th at 10:34PM EST (link)

If my kids were going to law school, we’d just have to have more conversations. Nice sig; your beliefs must really set you apart up there.


– A true evolutionist would let endangered species die off. Think about it.
– The sign outside the courthouse said no signs allowed. So I took it down.
– Atlas Shrugged is now on the non-fiction aisle at Amazon.

 
 

"Stare Decisis" doesn't mean 'binding,' it only requires respect for precedent

scorpio0679 (Diary) Wednesday, December 8th at 2:55PM EST (link)

If conservative (read: honest) jurists were to look at the original meaning of the commerce clause and find that the current state of the law is an abuse of that meaning (as it is), they could with one decision roll everything back.

Stare Decisis is the principle that requires courts to respect their past decisions on similar or same legal questions. However courts are not bound under stare decisis.

 
 

I appreciate all of the arguments

Scope (Diary) Thursday, December 9th at 5:12PM EST (link)

and the diary itself. I love reading anything I can with the Ocare lawsuits. Ken Cuccinelli is my state’s Atty. Gen. I’m glad he kept his lawsuit separate from the combined lawsuit filed in Florida. If one goes down, they both don’t. Cuccinelli, so far seems to have gotten the farthest along. He recently filed some kind of paperwork to bypass the appellate court, and to go straight to the SC. Can you explain what is going on there Atty/Prof Willis?

It seems that there may be a consensus that has developed above. Judge Judy should decide the Ocare case. LOL