During this long tortuous health care debate, many conservatives have voiced strong defenses of the Senate filibuster, a procedural tactic whereby a minority of US Senators can prevent legislation from receiving an up or down vote on the senate floor. Given how destructive the health care legislation currently being considered in Congress would be to our nation, it is understandable that conservatives would encourage the Senate Republicans to use any procedure to stop these legislative proposals from becoming law.
But it is also important to remember that, not too long ago, it was Senate Democrats who were praising the filibuster as an important check on the power of an out of control majority party and it was Senate Republicans who complained of its use. It is also worth remembering that the filibuster is not quite like those “checks and balances” explicitly written into the US Constitution, such as the Presidential veto power, the division of Congress into two distinct legislative chambers and a judicial branch not directly accountable to the voters.
The filibuster isn’t a hard coded check and balance
The reason why 41 US Senators have the capability of preventing legislation from coming to a vote on the floor of the US Senate is because Senate Rule 22 states the following:
“Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?” And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn — except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting — then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of.
But this portion of Senate Rule 22 is a result of a battle that lasted several weeks over thirty years ago.
On March 7, 1975 the Senate voted 56 to 27 to change Senate Rule 22 from the two-thirds of all Senators present and voting requirement to a requirement of three-fifths of all Senators chosen and sworn. In other words, while in 1974 it might have been necessary to gather as many as 67 votes in order to bring that an item of Senate business to a conclusive up or down vote on the Senate floor, after the March 7, 1975 rule change only 60 votes would be required to obtain an up or down vote on an item of Senate business.
It would seem that one-third of the Senate plus one Senator could block any change in Senate rules, since a two-thirds vote of Senators present and voting is required to enforce cloture on a Senate Rules change. But the change from a two-thirds cloture requirement to a three-fifths cloture requirement on most items of Senate business was initially supported on a straight up or down vote of the Senate. Here’s how it happened.
On February 24, 1975, Senator Walter Mondale of Minnesota moved that the Senate take an immediate vote on his cloture procedure with no intervening debate, motions, or amendments, and upon adoption of his cloture procedure, the Senate take an immediate vote on whether to proceed to consideration of the underlying proposal for three-fifths cloture reform. Senator Mike Mansfield of Montana raised a point of order. Mondale moved to table Mansfield’s point of order and Mansfield’s point of order was tabled on a 48 to 40 vote.
Eventually a compromise was reached and on March 7, 1975 the Senate voted to change the Senate rules by a 56 to 27 vote. Since 56/27 is greater than or equal to 2, 56 to 27 meets the two-thirds requirement and some have argued that a simple majority can not change Senate rules, that only a two-thirds vote of the Senate can. But the record shows that it was the 48 to 40 vote that forced the minority to compromise, knowing that they would lose the battle and wanting to preserve the appearance of a two-thirds requirement for Senate rule changes.
But there have also been times when the Senate has changed its procedures without formally changing its rules. In March 1980, Senate Majority Leader Robert Byrd of West Virginia moved that the Senate go into executive session to begin consideration of Robert E. White as Ambassador to El Salvador. This contradicted existing Senate rules and Senator Jesse Helms of North Carolina raised a point of order against Senator Byrd’s motion:
The Senator can move to go into executive session but he cannot under the rules specify what we shall consider. The Senate determines its order of business in executive session only after going into executive session. It is not in order to determine the order of executive business while in legislative session.
The Presiding Officer of the Senate sustained Senator Helms’ point of order, but Senate Majority Leader Byrd appealed the ruling of the Presideing Officer, which forced an immediate up or down vote by the full Senate. The Senate voted to reject the Presiding Officer’s ruling on Senator Helms’ point of order by a 54 to 38 vote, mostly on party lines where Democrat Senators voted with Majority Leader Byrd and Republican Senators voted with Senator Helms. As a result of the precedent set by that 54 to 38 vote, motions to proceed to consider a specific nomination in executive session are not debatable and therefore can not be filibustered, even though the Senate Rules state otherwise.
This proves that if a majority of US Senators want to change the way the Senate operates, the majority can do so. The majority can ignore the two-thirds requirement to end debate on rules changes as the 1975 Senate did, led by Senator Mondale and the majority can ignore the three-fifths requirement to end debate on Senate business that is normally debatable (and therefore filibuster-able) as the 1980 Senate did, led by Senate Majority Leader Robert Byrd.
The filibuster, therefore, is only available to the Senate minority as long as the Senate majority allows it to be available to the minority. The filibuster isn’t a hard coded check and balance in the way that the Presidential veto power is, in the way that the division of Congress into two separate legislative chambers is, the way that the independent judiciary is. Thus, a simple majority of Congress can not waive Senate and House rules in order to override a Presidential veto nor can Congress pass legislation by making up for a 10 vote defeat of that legislation in the US Senate by winning a 11 vote victory of that legislation in the US House of Representatives. Strong supporters of the filibuster should support making the filibuster a hard coded check and balance against mob rule by proposing an amendment to the US Constitution. This would preclude a Senate majority doing an end run around existing Senate rules.
Cheney, correctly, opposed the Democrats’ judicial filibustering in 2005
When the Republicans took over the US Senate as a result of the 2002 elections, conservatives were hoping that Bush’s judicial nominees, previously prevented from receiving an up or down vote by Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle of South Dakota, would finally get a chance to be voted on and confirmed. Conservatives saw the 2003 Senate, with its 51 to 49 Republican majority, as a way to put some balance back onto the federal court of appeals. Miguel Estrada was nominated by President to be the first Hispanic on the Washington DC court of appeals. The Republicans surest way to obtain cloture on the Estrada nomination was to have all 51 Republican Senators and a minimum of 9 Democrat Senators vote for cloture. Since most Democrats refused to vote for cloture, the Estrada nomination never came to a vote. Miguel Estrada withdrew his nomination. The Democrat minority of 49 had defeated the Republican majority of 51.
In 2004 the Republicans achieved a net gain of 4 US Senate seats, reaching a 55 to 45 seat majority. The Republicans didn’t have a filibuster proof, 60 seat majority. But anticipating a continuation of the Democrats’ judicial filibustering from the previous Senate, Republican Senate leaders began openly talking about using the Constitutional Option to bypass judicial filibusters. Vice President Dick Cheney announced that he would use his power as Presiding Officer of the US Senate to assist the Senate majority in providing Bush’s judicial nominees an up or down vote, overriding Senate Rule 22.
Cheney Jumps Into Filibuster Fray
Vice President Dick Cheney warned Democrats Friday that he will cast the tie-breaking vote to ban filibusters of President Bush’s judicial nominees if the Senate deadlocks on the question.
Republicans are moving the Senate toward a final confrontation with Democrats over judicial nominations. Internal GOP polling shows that most Americans don’t support Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist’s plan to ban judicial filibusters — a tactic in which opponents can prevent a vote on a nomination with just 41 votes in the 100-member Senate.
“There is no justification for allowing the blocking of nominees who are well qualified and broadly supported,” Cheney told the Republican National Lawyers Association. “The tactics of the last few years, I believe, are inexcusable.”
“Let me emphasize, the decision about how to proceed will be made by the Republican leadership in the Senate,” Cheney said. “But if the Senate majority decides to move forward and if the issue is presented to me in my elected office as president of the Senate and presiding officer, I will support bringing those nominations to the floor for an up or down vote.”
Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., said the White House “has stepped over the line by interfering with the Senate to reduce checks and balances.”
“The White House has always wanted to reduce the Senate’s power and the fact that Vice President Cheney is encouraging this abuse of power should strengthen the Senate’s resolve to resist,” Schumer said.
In my opinion, the Republican Senate leadership of 2003-2006 was correct in supporting a change in Senate procedure so that 41 US Senators could not defeat a judicial nominee by refusing to support cloture and, thus, denying an up or down vote on that nominee. I also believe that dissenting Republicans, such as Senator John McCain of Arizona, who said that the judicial filibuster should be retained so that conservatives could someday filibuster a liberal nominee was misleading. John McCain, for example, did not filibuster any of President Clinton’s judicial nominees, not even the most radical, activist nominees. In fact, McCain voted to confirm Ruth Bader Ginsberg and Stephen Breyer to the US Supreme Court, even though most Democrats had, only a few years earlier, refused to vote to confirm Robert Bork and Clarence Thomas to the High Court. Bork was defeated 58 to 42 in 1987. Clarence Thomas was confirmed 52 to 48 in 1991.
Republicans should use the Senate Rules to there advantage, until they change them to their advantage
Republicans need to avoid being in a “heads the Democrats win; tails the Republicans lose” situation with respect to the filibuster. Sometimes Senators will argue that, although they do not support the specific item of Senate business (a nomination or a piece of legislation), they will vote for cloture so that the item of Senate business can be voted on. Clearly, this is not how the Democrats’ behaved with respect to the nomination of Miguel Estrada and a host of other Bush nominees to the federal court of appeals. Therefore, I would encourage the Republicans to use the filibuster frequently and relentlessly while they are in the minority. But I would also encourage them to bypass, ignore or change these rules/procedures once they regain the majority.
For example, if the Republicans were to end up with a 56 to 44 seat majority in the US Senate by 2013 and were to win the Presidency, Republicans would have the opportunity to fill several seats on the federal court of appeals and perhaps the US Supreme Court. It is likely that under those circumstances, the Democrat Senate minority would filibuster conservative judicial nominees as they did from 2003 through 2004. If that were to happen, Republicans should use the tactics used by Senator Mondale in 1975 and Senate Majority Leader in 1980 to either change Senate procedure or change Senate rules in order to get conservatives confirmed to the federal courts.
Some say that majority rule is mob rule and that the minority must be able to prevent the majority from abusing power. But there is only one thing worse that rule by the majority and that is rule by the minority. Also, there are sufficient checks and balances in the US Constitution that exist even in the absence of a 60 vote cloture requirement. Congress has two legislative chambers. The President has a veto power. The judicial branch is an independent branch of government. All of these features, built directly into the US Constitution, represent checks and balances. If conservatives believe that the 60 vote cloture requirement is an important check and balance against majority rule, they should (a) consider proposing such as a Constitutional Amendment and (b) should consider how difficult it might be to reform Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid if 60 Senate votes are required, in addition to a majority of the US House and a Presidential signature. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid will turn the United States into a socialist country unless these programs are reformed. Do we really want 41 Senate Democrats to be able to block that reform? Do we really want 41 Senate Democrats to be able to defeat conservative judicial nominees?
My answer is no.
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The filibuster has been part of the Senate since the Senate began
Beaglescout (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 4:31PM EST (link)It did not start 30 years ago. It started at the beginning. In fact, at the beginning there was a filibuster process in the House too. Rather than junking the filibuster, which would turn the Senate from the brake on the uncontrolled actions of the US government to a second accelerator pedal, I’d rather restore the filibuster to the House.
The only way a bill should be able to evade the filibuster is if it is to reduce spending, reduce taxes, or cut regulations. Those sorts of things that increase individual freedom need to be eased through the process. But increasing regulation, spending or taxation need to pass the 60% barrier because they reduce the freedom of Americans.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
The original Senate did not have a filibuster
Spiral (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 5:39PM EST (link)The original Senate had a rule called the previous question rule whereby a Senator could make a motion that the previous question, the piece of Senate business that the Senate was debating, be put to a vote.
The Presiding Officer of the US Senate would ask “Shall the previous question be put to a vote?”
If a simple majority of US Sentors voted “aye,” an up or down vote would be had on the piece of Senate busines that was being debated.
Then, Vice President Aaron Burr decided to delete the preivious question rule from the Senate rules because it had not been used during an entire Senate term, presumably because no Senators were opposing holding votes on issues after a reasonable period of debate.
So, the Senate’s filibuster rule emerged by accident, not deliberate design.
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The solution...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 6:34PM EST (link)lies with the election of sixty-seven conservative senators, preferably Republican, who are dedicated to the defense of the US Constitution and the longevity of the Republic…
…Not the abolition of Senate Rule XXII.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
What would the conservative 67 Senators do?
Spiral (Diary) Saturday, February 6th at 7:00PM EST (link)Just curious. Why wouldn’t 60 conservative Senators be enough? Also, what if as a result of the 2010 and 2012 elections, the GOP ends up with 260 members of the US House of Reprsenatives, 56 members of the US Senate and the White House?
Under those circumstances, if the 44 Democrat US Senators began filibustering everything that the GOP tried to do in order to get the United States out of socialism, wouldn’t conservatives demand that the Republican Senators use the Constitutional Option (also known as the Byrd Option) to push through conservative judicial nominees and conservative legislation?
We as conservatives would not just say, “Well, the 60 vote cloture rule has been in effect since 1975. It would be anti-tradition to change it, even if it might allow us to enact conservative priorities.”
At I don’t think that would be our response to Democrat judicial filibustering. I know that I demanded that the GOP use the Byrd option against the Democrats when they were filibustering Bush’s nominees to the federal court of appeals.
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Absolutely not...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Sunday, February 7th at 5:34AM EST (link)Under the 56-44 scenario: If the proposed legislation is so controversial that four Democrats can not be convinced to vote for cloture and Republican senators are unwilling to compromise in order to secure those votes, then Republicans need to get to work and elect at least four more conservative senators in 2014. Eleven would be ideal.
With 67 senators, 290 representatives, the presidency and the support of the American people, conservative principles can be codified by amending the US Constitution.
Under that scenario, the first order of business should be a constitutional amendment mandating a balanced federal budget except in times of war.
The second order of business, to run concurrent with the first, should be a constitutional amendment requiring a two-thirds majority of both houses in order to raise taxes.
The third order of business should be a constitutional amendment abolishing the Seventeenth Amendment.
Under all circumstances, the law of unintended consequences requires that the rights of the minority be protected.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Put the filibuster in the constitution if it's so important
Spiral (Diary) Sunday, February 7th at 9:00AM EST (link)If the filibuster, only to be broken on a three-fifths (60 Senators) cloture vote, is so imporant, it should be made part of the US Constitution.
And currently it is not. In addition. only a simple majority is required to pass budget reconciliation items.
Also, whenever a simple majority of the US Senate wants to go around the 60 vote requirement, it can by using the Senate’s ability to interpret and enforce its own rules in any way it chooses, even if it chooses to interpret its rules in complete contradiction to the plain language of the written rules.
Therefore, the 60 vote cloture requirement, allowing 41 Senators to block legislation, is only available to the minority as long as the majority allows it to be. Once the majority gets fed up, it can take those rights away from the minority on a simple majority vote.
And you seem to be saying that if if a Republican President nominates a conservative judicial nominee for the federal court of appeals or the US Supreme Court, 41 Democrats can prevent that nominee from getting an up or down vote and the Republicans, if they hold 56 Seats in the Senate, should do nothing but complain about Democrat obstructionism and allow that nominee to twist in the wind until a new Senate emerges after a new round of Senate elections.
In that sense, you were in agreement with Senators Lincoln Chafee, Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, John Warner, Michael DeWine, Lindsay Graham and John McCain, the 7 Republicans who participated in the Gang of 14 compromise back in 2005.
Is that really your opinion? Are you sure?
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Judicial nominations are different than legislation
JSobieski (Diary) Sunday, February 7th at 9:13AM EST (link)But you are correct that the Senate can change its rules. Changing Senate rules midstream however is something that conservatives should not endorse.
This is not a Gang of 14 position—-the Constitution addresses judicial confirmations in a manner that leaves less room for Senate rules to have any importance. Legislation is different.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I agree that judicial filibusters are different than legislative
Spiral (Diary) Sunday, February 7th at 9:38AM EST (link)It’s just that I get a little nervous when Republicans begin rhetorically elevating the 60 vote cloture requirement to the level of Constitutional Checks and Balances.
Changing Senate rules midstream however is something that conservatives should not endorse.
Senator Robert Byrd was able to change Senate procedure midstream on a majority vote on four occasions during the 1977 through 1988 time period in which he was Majority Leader. Senator Byrd was able to do this because the Senate interprets and enforces its rules on a majority basis.
When a Senator makes a point of order, the Presiding Officer of the Senate can sustain or overrule that point of order and any Senator can appeal the Presiding Officer’s ruling. At that point, any Senator could move to table the appeal, in which case the Senate immediately votes, up or down, on the motion to table.
If the motion to table succeeds, even if it is just by a majority vote, the Senate has imposed its will on Senate procedure, by a majority vote, even if the Senate is proceeding at variance with the Senate’s Standing Rules.
Again, Democrat Majority Leader used this Constitutional Option four times during this 1977 through 1987 tenure as Senate Majority Leader.
Senator Robert Byrd said: “I asked Mr. Mondale, the Vice President, to go please sit in the chair; I wanted to make some points of order and create some new precedents that would break these filibusters. And the filibuster was broken — back, neck, legs, and arms.”
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Interesting comment, do you have any info on the 4 instances that you mention?
JSobieski (Diary) Wednesday, February 10th at 8:08AM EST (link)The specifics are critical to this issue.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Read Gold and Gupta on the filibuster and the constitutional option
Spiral (Diary) Saturday, February 13th at 9:40PM EST (link)Here is what you should read on The filibuster and the constitutional option
It provides a history of the filibuster and how the Senate operates, sometimes against its own Standing Rules.
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