For a number of reasons, I tend to avoid claims of media bias, as I am often reminded of Silberman’s Law, from Rumsfeld’s Rules, that notes that we often overstate “conspiracy,” while “underestimat[ing] incompetency and fortuity.” However, I have trouble explaining this one any other way. The New York Times editorial page editor, Andy Rosenthal, says, “A half-dozen times or so I’ve asked followers of my Twitter feed for examples of voter fraud – particularly of a scale that would justify erecting barriers against whole groups of voters. Haven’t gotten any.” Now, this was the first that I had heard of it because, well, I don’t follow Mr. Rosenthal. However, I am not convinced that I will start following him, as he seems unequipped with the basic tools of research.
Now, like Mr. Rosenthal, I do get frustrated with discussions of election fraud that don’t detail specific convictions. And while I believe that ACORN-style registration fraud is a real problem, I try to avoid discussing it. After all, we should lead with our strongest argument.
So let’s review some recent convictions, just to remind ourselves that election fraud happens, it is well documented, and it sways elections:
- My favorite example is the 2003 East Chicago (Indiana) Democratic mayoral primary. There were 32 convictions. The election results were also thrown out by the Indiana Supreme Court. Note that that last link is to a story in the Chicago Tribune, my home-town paper, that discusses the conviction of the “reform” candidate in that election, with the splendid sentence, “On Thursday, a federal judge sentenced former Mayor George Pabey to five years in prison, the third consecutive East Chicago mayor to come to grief in a federal courtroom.” This case galvanized support for a voter ID law in Indiana that was eventually argued in the US Supreme Court, where the opinion upholding the law was written by former Justice Stevens. Some noted at the time that Justice Stevens, who was normally a reliable liberal vote, grew up in Chicago.
- Then there’s another favorite case, that of Ophelia Ford. Mrs. Ford is the sister of former Democratic Congressman Harold Ford, Sr., sister of former State Rep. John Form, now serving time in federal prison for bribery, and the aunt of former Democratic Congressman Harold Ford, Jr., now a New York resident, and, undoubtedly, a subscriber to the New York Times. In this case, Mrs. Ford, a Democrat, defeated an incumbent Republican by 13 votes. The local newspaper, the Commercial Appeal, smelled something and dug. In the end, the State Senate vacated the election on a vote of 26-6, and three people plead guilty to felonies. In that case, the judge noted that the guilty plea actually prevented a full record of the fraud from being documented. But the guilty pleas did involve both dead and moved people voting.
- Closer in both time and space to the New York Times, there is the ongoing investigation of the Troy City Council race from 2009, which I have written about in the past. The city clerk has plead guilty.
- I also noted a series of convictions in Alabama that may have triggered the recent op-ed by former Alabama Representative Artur Davis backing voter ID laws.
Victoria Coates
Daniel Horowitz
Second half of statement almost as bad
Kyle-MI (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 3:16PM EST (link)“…justify erecting barriers against whole groups of voters.”
Getting and showing an ID is in no way, shape, or form erecting any barriers, particularly against any specific group. Whenever I see this nonsense, the only conclusion I can deduce is that these people want to see continued electoral fraud because it benefits mostly Democrats.
Our democratic ideals mis-lead us to over-value the universality of voting
YnotNOW (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 6:58PM EST (link)In that we continually lament the low turnout rate of voters, and do all within our power to make it easier and encourage the un-motivated to vote.
But if you don’t have the motivation to actually go to some minimal amount of effort in order to cast your ballot, are you going to spend the brain-power to actually research your candidate options and the ballot issues? Are we “dumbing-down” the vote to the lowest common denominator of sound bites? Is this who we want casting the deciding votes on critical issues?
Now please understand, that I am not at all advocating enacting barriers to voting. No poll tax or literacy tests.
But voting is a responsibility as well as a priviledge. And if you don’t have the responsibility to comply with the absolute minimum to prevent fraud, such as an identification card, how can you be trusted with the priviledge of deciding who will run the government for both yourself and for me?
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Ann Coulter says the worst the worst thing to happen
jakeofalltrades (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 7:11PM EST (link)to the vote was women’s suffrage.
I wouldn't go that far, but
YnotNOW (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 7:32PM EST (link)if her point was that it was a slipery slope of cheapening the vote, such that we don’t value our priviledge enough to take our responsibility seriously, then I would agree with that much. But I do think that denying women the vote in a modern society is totally insane.
Note: Jonah Goldberg at National Review has been pushing this point for a long time.
YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?
Is a 'modern society' worth saving?
jacobite Tuesday, November 8th at 1:21PM EST (link)“Discrimination is the hallmark of the civilized mind”. From your statement, I assume that a ‘modern society’ is one where discrimination is prohibiited. This is insanity. Injustice consists of treating like individuals differently OR treating different people alike. Without discrimination, injustice is guaranteed, as no one can distinguish people as like or unlike to determine the just treatment of each.
the dead is a group isn't it?
sbm1 Tuesday, November 8th at 6:11AM EST (link)nt
It's because liberals are racist.
Pi Over Three (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 11:32AM EST (link)There is just no other way to explain why they think blacks are incapable of having either drivers licence or a government ID, which are free to get in most places.
I drive a car powered by hydrogen – C8H18 to be exact.
Well, there's your problem!
Incredible (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 3:16PM EST (link)Most of your sources are newspapers, and who reads those? Certainly not anyone at the NYT.
They know more people that voted for Nixon, than commited Vote Fraud.
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Voter rolls and identification
LargeBill Monday, November 7th at 3:30PM EST (link)A couple thoughts:
1. This NYT’s goof is either being dishonest or willfully ignorant.
2. I have to show ID to buy beer. Hopefully even a NYT columnist would agree that the integrity of our voting process is more important than my getting drunk.
3. A major unreported form of voter fraud is double voting by absentee ballot. There was one case of retirees registering to vote in Florida while continuing to vote in New York by absentee ballot. With modern computers it should not be difficult to tie voter rolls to the Social Security system. Any SS numbers being used more than once should be sorted out prior to elections. This also should help clear the Chicago voters rolls of the deceased voters.
Double voting in FL
cwilson (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:11PM EST (link)Yep — in 2000 I saw an interview with a snowbird who said, on camera, “Well, sure I voted in both places. I live in both places, why shouldn’t I get a say in how they are both run?”
If you recall, the presidential election in FL 2000 was rather close.
And, of course, this was just in the news (here’s Soren’s own write-up).
Also, here’s a roundup of Vote Fraud in FL, including a case where the Republican Mayor Elect of Miami stole the election by tampering with over 4000 absentee ballots — a court voided the election and installed the Democrat opponent,
Then, there’s the classic case about Janet Reno’s involvement, pre-Clinton, in more Miami vote fraud.
Nope, no voter fraud, nothin’ to see here, move along…
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I put the same question to the followers of my
blooch Monday, November 7th at 3:51PM EST (link)Pet feed. So far, nothing. But they do eat whatever I put in front of them.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Examine history of results of requiring voter ID
steve010 (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 4:18PM EST (link)In all of the discussions I’ve heard on the cable shows about how legislatures are trampling on voter rights by requiring picture ID, I’ve never heard them mention Florida.
Florida is now the third largest state along with NY for EV. FL went on picture ID at the polls after the Bush/Gore fubar. Every political party especially the (D)’s wanted voter ID. Since then, nothing but smooth sailing in every election.
For the naysayers about voter suppression of the minority vote, nonsense. Barry carried FL in 2008 with an historic African American vote and they all had picture ID because they had to, to vote.
If someone showed up without a picture ID, they voted by provisional ballot and only 30K ballots were cast this way after the 2008 election out of over 8million. And all of these ballots were examined, some not counted because the voter wasn’t registered. Voter ID is probably the best thing that has ever happened for the supervisor’s of elections in FL.
Dems in Fl want Holder to
mirac777 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 9:51AM EST (link)Nullify the FL voter laws, or parts of it. Bill Nelson is leading the charge. I replied to the media lies here:
http://conservativedailynews.com/2011/11/florida-vote-fraud-will-not-be-tolerated-in-2012/
Also is included are more proven vote fraud cases for the NYT “opinionist”
United we stand…. Divided we fall.. into the pits of Socialism.
no one has really examined these changes in
steve010 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:51PM EST (link)detail. Let me help.
First, we’ve had picture ID at the polls since 2001, the greatest benefit to democracy in FL ever. Barry won FL in 2008 with an historic voter participation from the African American community and everyone had picture ID and proud of it.
Second, the early voting period has been ridiculous. In most jurisdictions, no one comes into the polls for days, so why make the taxpayers pay for more early voting days when people aren’t coming in then. If people want to vote early it is amazingly simple to vote by absentee ballot.
Third, Acorn abused the registration process so badly that the elections supervisors in most of our counties were threatening to quit over the ridiculous number of manufactured registrations that were coming in to the offices. There was no way to criminally charge the offenders because law enforcement put registration fraud at the bottom of the list.
If you want to register to vote, it’s easy. go online, fill out the form and send it in.
None of these changes in the election laws in FL are “suppressing” voter rights.
Media Bias; voter fraud
KBDay (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 4:59PM EST (link)I don’t think Rumsfeld’s axiom applies to media bias. I’ve worked in media for more than two decades. Within the professional orgs I qualified for, I am one of a minuscule minority of conservatives. I see these organizations from inside.
I’ve done wire service work. I can’t tell you how many times the red pen got applied because I told the truth.
There’s a very good analysis, complete with respectable citations, at Front Page That site is a conservative site, but the citations are based on studies of what many call legacy media. It was written shortly before the 2008 General Election.
‘The Washington Post’ admitted bias after the 2008 elections, by the way. I’m sure that article is still online.
Associations with media are well-documented by Seymour Hersh in the book ‘The Dark Side of Camelot.’ Democrats owned the media; Hersh documents the assertion.
If you want to experience the bias first hand, invite 7 or 8 reporters out for a drink. Talk politics. It won’t take you long, if they’re honest, for you to see where their ideology lies.
Then there’s Journolist. That list coordinated coverage of the 2008 General. Politico and others explained it away, but in my opinion, there was outright collusion.
As for voter fraud, there was a recent case in Florida. The Miami Herald said, “Supervisor of Elections Jada Woods Williams was charged with 17 counts of neglect of duty and corrupt practices.”
In that newspaper story, the reporter pointed out the Florida legislature is GOP-controlled. The reporter did not mention the supervisor is a Dem.
There was the Al Franken fiasco. Only after it was too late did we learn that more than 300 felons cast illegal votes–last time I looked, several had been charged officially.
Hersh also documents voter fraud by the way in the election JFK won–Cook County is notorious for such behavior.
I realize Republicans try to be rational when it comes to media bias and such, preferring to see evidence. As a journalist, I like to see evidence too.
But when I see the sharp contrast in treatment given Republican or conservative candidates and Dem or prog candidates, the only conclusion I can come to is that there is a pervasive progressive ideology at play in most major newsrooms and in much of online media. If you want to have some fun, try some Google searches for Bush or Obama, or Gore and Bush.
It’s my opinion that legacy media played a major role in electing Obama. They have yet to vet him. That’s no surprise when you recall it took The National Enquirer to break the story on John Edwards and his affair.
KB Day/The US Report
“Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.” (Eisenhower)
His response is plugging his fingers in his ears and saying nanananananana
sbm1 Tuesday, November 8th at 6:25AM EST (link)I just read the blog where he responds to these, and say….well, that is all you got, no big deal….
He seems to be an idealogue like Jon Stewart, who will stick to their point no matter what sort of argument you counter him with, and how little he can respond. Fact is, without the ability to require a picture ID it is very difficult to check whether someone has cast a ballot as someone other than themselves…it would be like saying there are probably very few felony convictions of underage people actually buying hard liquor at liquor stores….hence there is no problem of people under age 21…so why do we require picture ID?
I still want to know who the “entire groups are”…other than the dead?
Philadelphia Voter Fraud
bobguzzardi Tuesday, November 8th at 6:56AM EST (link)Despite relentless whining by Republicans, the Republican US Attorney (during two Bush Administrations) and the Republican Attorney General do not seem to have investigated voter fraud in Philadelphia or anywhere else.
If there is voter fraud, why haven’t the Republicans investigated and prosecuted? What could be the reason. Is it possible that voter fraud is vastly exaggerated?
Or it could be that elected Republicans are wimps
Kyle-MI (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 3:23PM EST (link)They are known as the stupid party for a reason.
Was it not Philadelphia
adair Tuesday, November 8th at 8:59PM EST (link)where the Black Panthers blocked the polling place? And didn’t the Bush guys prosecute and have them indicted and ready for conviction and the Obama DOJ dismissed the case? Wasn’t there a furore because the NBPs could have been put in jail, but instead were let off the hook?
Here Is Fraud
billstanley Tuesday, November 8th at 9:01AM EST (link)A Colorado Secretary of State department study identified nearly 12,000 registered voters who were not citizens. 5,000 of them voted illegally last November. (Sources: 31 Mar. 2011 The Hill, Americans for Legal Immigration)
www.newsandopinions.net
Because it's Illinois, this won't be a surprise:
adair Tuesday, November 8th at 9:10PM EST (link)Following the 2008 election, we attended an Election Training session prior to a municipal vote, and someone asked about the Provisional ballots, since we hadn’t seen them before. Our instructor beamed and reported that of 130 Provisionals from all the precincts, only 3 had to be refused.
I asked whether 130 voters had come to the Election Board within 5 days to prove their eligibility with photo i.d., birth certificate, proof of change of address, etc. She was visibly flustered, but then said, “Well, we were able to verify ourselves that most of them were actually just in the wrong precinct or something, so were were able to vote them.”
Dead voters are no joke, either.
adair Tuesday, November 8th at 9:15PM EST (link)We normally have a widow or two come into our polling place and report that her husband died a year or so before. We used to mark the Voter Identification slip that he would have signed, had he still been alive, and also mark through his name in the registration book.
We assumed that the Election Board would note this, check it out in the death records that are in the same County Courthouse, and take him off the rolls. Apparently that operation stopped a couple of years ago, because when we asked what to do about people being reported dead, the answer was to do nothing, and “we don’t know why that was stopped.” Some of us do.