One of the things that has been missed in the debate over public employee unions in Wisconsin is the impact on city and county budgets. Governor Scott Walker’s proposal doesn’t just impact the state’s fiscal situation, but it attempts to help the cities and counties. And, as the former Counter Executive of 2-1 Democratic Milwaukee County, Walker has a real familiarity with how the fiscal crisis is impacting city and county budgets. Aaron Rodriguez from the Hispanic Conservative has done us all a great service by reviewing the budget fights with the unions that Walker won in his county. Rodriguez, a leading Wisconsin school choice activist, has great examples of how the teachers unions have put their own interests ahead of the children.
LaborUnionReport had a nice review of the corruption involved in one of the more corrupt practices that impact county finances. Union collective bargaining agreements require school districts, for example, to purchase health care through the Wisconsin Education Association Trust. Simply put, it is not enough for the unions to require that the union members get good health care. They also want to force the school districts to purchase health care from a union-owned health insurance company. The state-enforced monopoly provider of education services is using their monopoly position to force the school districts to purchase.
Obviously, these additional costs hurt. But how much? Green Bay’s ABC affiliate WBAY-2, has a summary of the issues. The numbers are pretty remarkable.
Currently many school districts participate in WEA trust because WEAC collectively bargains to get as many school districts across the state to participate in this union run health insurance plan as possible. Union leadership benefits from members participating in this plan. If school districts enrolled in the state employee health plan, it would save school districts up to $68 million per year. Beyond that if school districts had the flexibility to look for health insurance coverage outside of WEA trust or the state plan, additional savings would likely be realized.
I note the figure $68 million. This is not state budget costs. These costs are faced by cities and counties which have even less flexibility than state budgets. The left tries to focus the problem as narrowly as possible on the state fiscal situation. But the number of impacted governments are much larger.
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YES Soren and thx for emphasizing this crucial local govt aspect of the matter - nt
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Wow
volunteerstate (Diary) Sunday, February 27th at 5:29PM EST (link)UnionState and Union Local-County government Ripoffs permeate every level of these state employees activities. The taxpayers are getting ripped off at every opportunity.
Info I'd like to have
gawken (Diary) Sunday, February 27th at 5:43PM EST (link)Is it possible to obtain, and publish the names of the top 15 officials at the WI teachers’ union, including their balary, benefits package,and other perks, such as car leases, expense acconts, etc? I’m sure it would be edifying..probably to many union members.
If all of Walker’s reforms are implented, ( limiting CB, ending dues check-off, requiring annual certification votes) I expect that within 5 years, over half of the teachers will choose NOT to join the union, as as for NEW hires, coming in at the bottom of the wage scale..well..no way any of them will give up $700-1000/year in union dues just to work.
The river of cash in union HQ will abate, and they won’t be abll to afford all thes high paid positions…
I am having trouble finding the documents actually
Soren Dayton (Diary) Sunday, February 27th at 10:15PM EST (link)They are supposed to be available at the Department of Labor at this page. But I can’t find them. when I do the search.
Saw this...
DefendUSA (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 8:03AM EST (link)http://dpi.state.wi.us/lbstat/newasr.html
http://biggovernment.com/laborunionreport/2011/02/23/follow-the-money-what-the-wisconsin-education-association-isnt-talking-about/
Download the PDF and you can see that only one of the current XO’s salary shows up…177k for Dan Burkhalter.
Mary Bell, Betsy Kippers and the others are not here.
*starred thought*
To be a leader is to do the uncomfortable thing. Man up, Mr. President.
whoops...
DefendUSA (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 8:04AM EST (link)And that does NOT include other compesnsation. Yep, what a surprise!!
*starred thought*
To be a leader is to do the uncomfortable thing. Man up, Mr. President.
I found the rest....
DefendUSA (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 8:12AM EST (link)Go to the pages that matter….13, 14, 29
You’ll see it all.
*starred thought*
To be a leader is to do the uncomfortable thing. Man up, Mr. President.
The blowback from the unions in Wisc & elsewhere
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Sunday, February 27th at 10:40PM EST (link)just shows how hard it is to reign in spending. Almost like fighting gravity. Unions, govt employees, and elected officials all with an interest in expanding govt spending.
Moments like this are rare, when a majority of the public has a comparable focus to that of the self-dealers. Obviously, we need to stand firm. But just as important is to educate the public regarding the nature of government…it will grow but for an extremely focused broad-based electorate.
Isn't that dog named Mumbly? I think so. I have a girlfriend that loves that cartoon - Yes, that's right, "a"
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 12:04AM EST (link)girlfriend…I am no longer monogamous…I’m also divorced 10 yrs on….
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6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 7:43AM EST (link)Muttley vs Mumbly
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6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 7:45AM EST (link)Yes, good job! and see link re a different cartoon with Mumbly!
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 9:30AM EST (link)http://www.google.com/images?hl=en&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=mumbly+cartoon&cp=2&qe=bXU&qesig=mSIZcSoejzC28sJzn35okg&pkc=AFgZ2tlNXlUOp88-WgqQ-1lPTWEnKd4jVeHq4nnU29G76TxTIIsZtGdtTws5ipoQCK5XU9DBpFFCx0azhkusM0mu4_U2crN7lQ&bav=on.1,or.&bs=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&sa=X&ei=OrFrTdbUIpCSgQfEopnPCg&sqi=2&ved=0CDwQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=649
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I hope Walker's not caving in to the squatters...
writeblock Sunday, February 27th at 10:48PM EST (link)the police are letting the protesters stay in the Capitol building. That’s ridiculous. If this was Walker’s call, it’s a weak one. If it was the Police’s call, he should get on their tails. If not, he should start firing some cops and call in the National Guard. He needs to draw blood. He can’t win this fight by being nice with thugs.
"draw blood"? Let's leave that rhetoric to them. I think he chose to let them stay inside
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, February 27th at 11:16PM EST (link)due to the elements. He looks like the good guy dealing with dem children and I think the public sees that.
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Not meant literally--I leave that to union thugs.
writeblock Sunday, February 27th at 11:37PM EST (link)But Walker’s showing some weakness here. That place should have been cleared out a week ago. I don’t care how it looks–it’s a matter of showing strength.
And I for one am tired of conservatives accepting the leftwing meme on correct speech. They’re the ones who like to suggest drawing targets on candidates means you want to shoot to kill. It means no such thing and this should be self[evident. Should we not say we’re in a fight? Is that too pugnacious for you? We’re not in a culture war? Too offensive for you?
I think he is showing strength, but we can agree to disagree. He won't cave. - nt
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It's good that he lets them stay. However
grandma Monday, February 28th at 12:54AM EST (link)I really do believe the state shouldn’t be hit for clean-up costs. If people are sleeping in, using facilities, making messes, etc., someone other than the taxpayers should pay.
I know that sounds petty, but I’d be extremely angry about subsidizing their “motel capital building” stay.
Besides...
writeblock Sunday, February 27th at 11:40PM EST (link)If it was Walker’s call to spare them the elements, then he’s weak, and I’m disgusted totally. He’s another GOP gentleman who brings a pop-gun to fight a war. He should be calling out the National Guard, not fussing like a nanny over throwing these thugs out in the cold.
All that matters is that he not cave on the proposed bill. The weenies you refer to cave on bills. Walker will not cave. For emotional heroes, go to the movies - nt
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I don't need the movies for heroes...
writeblock Monday, February 28th at 12:37AM EST (link)Reagan fired the air traffic controllers. He’s hero enough. Coolidge fired the cops who struck when he was governor. Both men were furious at the time and showed it. It would be nice if our leadership could show a little annoyance occasionally. Let’s see if Walker has a strategy beyond going on tv. I understand this was not his call but was the call of the dept. that maintains the place. But that place should have been cleaared out a week ago.
What I meant was that you are basing an assessment of "weakness" not on the ultimate outcome that actually affects peoples' real lives and wallets, but rather you
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 12:43AM EST (link)are judging the situation based on a minor temporary decision on a peripheral matter. What matters is whether he stays the course to the end. If he does, then none of your frets about tactics today will matter.
stay tuned
Yes, Reagan rightly fired the PATCO strikers, after a time. Someone like you could have been calling Reagan weak every second before he won the battle.
Walker is standing firm on what matters.
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What ultimate outcome?
writeblock Monday, February 28th at 1:35AM EST (link)So far the left has been successful in stopping a bill from being passed. Nothing else has happened. Yeah, Wakjer’s showing resolve–but this is more than just “peripheral”–it’s oart and parcel of a coordinated effort to stop the bill from ever passing. Moreover it projects an image of a situation that’s out of control–which puts a certain amount of dread in officials in other states who fear that kind of chaos–which is what the protesters intend. So it’s more than just peripheral–it’s effective in its way since politicians fear mobs–and government should be prepared to deal with it. Peaceful protests don’t give people the right to make a government building a Motel 6. It’s bizarre it’s been allowed to go on this long.
The passage of the bill is all that matters and no matter what the elected Dems and protesters do, so long as
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 1:51AM EST (link)the governor and the senate republicans remain in favor of the bill, it will eventually pass, but in the meantime, MUCH else has happened:
The public sees what rude, vile and unreasonable people are the dems
The public sees the gap in pay between themselves and the spoiled brat unionists
The public sees a Republican governor bending over backwards to treat the kooks civilly, yet not wavering on the issues
The public sees elected Dems fleeing the state like cowards
This is better for us than if the dems had shown up and allowed the bill to pass quietly
win-win
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Furthermore...
writeblock Monday, February 28th at 1:54AM EST (link)it’s an attempt to intimidate. What would you say if union mobs squatted inside the Supreme Court building when that body deliberates on Healthcare? Would you consider that “peripheral”? What if D.C. police went along with this? It seems to me a very disturbing image for citizens around the country to see a state capitol occupied in this way by a noisy mob. We see what happens if some conservatives should want to play the same game in the same place at the same time. After all, it’s their public building too. Can violence and rioting NOT break out? Walker is obliged to take some action.
So long as Walker is NOT intimidated, then all is well, and in fact its better
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 2:07AM EST (link)that the public see the Dems as trying to intimidate over and over and to see walker remain firm. Time will tell ‘block. I am thrilled at the Dems PR gift.
Yes, it is disturbing for voters to see democrats acting the fool and surely is re-assuring to see Walker’s calm responses and firm stand on the issue.
I’m sad that you don’t see what a great thing is happening from a PR standpoint for us that will be in addition to the passage of the bill when that eventually occurs.
I’m not thinking that the rational voters that sent Walker and the GOP senate to Madison to fix the budget are going to change their minds on the matter of saving their state from ruin because they think the Governor should have not let them have a PJ party.
I have had many clients over the years that are never happy even when the jury returns the verdict they desired because maybe the bailiff was mean to them. So I wish you well in hopes that you will have the wisdom to actually enjoy the process of victory, because it is happening.
We have come full circle on this thread, so I hereby declare the discussion over from this end and look forward to our next discussion.
God bless and I do appreciate your knack for thinking outside the box.
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I disagree totally.
writeblock Monday, February 28th at 3:45AM EST (link)I don’t see this as a p.r. gift. Polls show the public’s thinking is going something like this: Gee, these people are really very upset because their “rights” are being violated. Maybe Walker’s going too far. Maybe he can split the difference with them and everybody can go home and we can get this off the tv screen.
What’s more, I think indulging this crowd gives them a quasi-legitimacy since they’re chanting it’s their building. Yeah, but it’s not a motel–and half of them are from out of state. They have no right to impede the workings of government. The situation is potentially explosive and the longer it goes on, the more risk that violence will result. It seems to me a gut reaction, some truly righteous indignation is what’s called for–not this mild acceptance of such raucous behavior.
By gut reaction...
writeblock Monday, February 28th at 3:47AM EST (link)I mean clearing the place out by force, using the National Guard if necessary.
'block, you make good points and it could come to that - nt
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Walker doesn't have the authority to fire the teachers... unfortunately. NT
jonrd364 Monday, February 28th at 3:25AM EST (link)To punctuate Soren's point...
conservativebadger Monday, February 28th at 5:47AM EST (link)this article ran in the December 1, 2010 issue of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinal. It described what happened when one school district dumped the WEA trust insurance in favor of private insurers for their teachers. This discussion was going on before Walker took office.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/opinion/111152709.html
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This isn't democracy - it's a mob
chrisnj Monday, February 28th at 11:29AM EST (link)Let’s be clear. Collective bargaining by public-sector workers is not a right – it’s a legal privilege extended by the legislature. It’s a privilege abused for decades by unions claiming to represent govt employees, who are forced to pay dues to those unions. It’s been long past time for reform.
The pro-union anti-taxpayer protests in Madison is not how democracy looks – it’s how a mob looks. Democracy ran away across the state border in the form of tantrum-throwing Democrat-party legislators when the likely result of a policy change wasn’t going their way. This state house occupation, & the awol legislators demanding we do it THEIR way, is representative democracy held hostage.
I don't think Walker has explained this
steve010 (Diary) Monday, February 28th at 11:38AM EST (link)properly. What he has said in simple terms is that it really doesn’t matter if the “unions” tell the media that they have “accepted” the 5 and 12 contributions and that CB should be off the table because of their “compromise”. The reason is this:
1) the State cuts funding to the local, county and state government entities because the money is not there
2) The govt entity goes to the union and says ok, we got less money from the State so remember when you told the media that you would agree to the 5/12? Now we have to change the CBA to reflect that.
3) Union says, ” We changed our minds”
4) Local entity has to lay off workers.
There is no guarantee at the local level that the individual union agreements will be changed after he cuts the budget.