Can’t say I’m happy about him having to pick up a gun for this government again. Frankly, I’m closer to wanting to pick up one against the government than to having one of mine carry one for it. I always thought that if one day I found a practicing communist as President of the United States, I’d be standing or lying in the rubble and dying of radiation poisoning.

and it comes out smelling like elcrapo, it is elcrapo. Whichschummmmer, reid, murray, obama will go down in history as the WATERGATE OF 2009. What a Christmas present the most corrupt Senate and Adminstration in the Histroy of the United States.

…since SerfCare doesn’t begin until 2013, it will have to survive both contentious elections between then adn now. In both 2010 and 2012, the democrats will have to run on their own pile of garbage. Meanwhile, we will be running on the promise of aborting it prematurely; a plank that I have a feeling will become more popular as the actual language of the bill becomes publicized.

When the gentlemen republicans are in charge, they never resort to such tactics. Alas, our problems go way beyond simply getting rid of democrats – Hatch, McCain, Snowe, McConnell? I don’t ever want to hear that “stick with republicans at all costs” crap – because it is just about costing us everything.

I don’t know how many are in our population…
What is a billion, or a trillion worth divided out in our population base?
These numbers are sooo big that there is no perspective.
Thanks,
Mark

At least there’s some nice Christmas music on in the background.

Ok, got it. 300 million plus folks here, Right now, 12 Trillion in debt…
Divides out flat to about $40,000.00 per head debt…
Do the Democrats really believe we can print our way out?
Our President is flying around handing out promises for 100 billion climate money..healthcare supposed to top 20 trill after all considerations alone = additional 66.6 grand per head…
This could leave us dealing in lead. That’s the final word when all common sense is lost. The Democrats are crashing the entire country.

Forget about ever having senate republicans change this thing on their own once they regain power..it’s not going to happen…unless….

Unless citizens start their own organized revolt of the healthcare bill. While the options are slim, there are options. Example, while the healthcare bill has a mandate that forces all Americans to purchase insurance or face a fine, what do you think would happen if millions and millions of citizens ignored the mandate to purchase insurance AS WELL as ignoring paying the fine? I’m not advocating such a scenario, but if millions and millions of Americans followed these actions, the feds would have no choice but to eliminate the mandate. And once the mandate is gone, ObamaCare collapses under it’s own weight.

he introduced that deal as a substitute to the bill. And then he “filled the tree”. That’s a short-hand to describe a parliamentary manuever by which no amendments are allowed to the action currently on the floor. The Majority Leader can always do this because of some quirks of Senate procedure.

That’s right. No amendments. No changes. No improvements, even minor ones.

So, we are about to radically restructure American healthcare…with no opportunity to amend it?

Is this any way to remake one sixth of our economy? Of course not.

Moderate Dems, you now have grounds to refuse to go along with this. Regardless of what you might have promised your Majority Leader earlier.

You also should know that, because this bill needs ALL SIXTY of you to proceed—then ALL SIXTY of you are equally guilty if it passes.

No matter if you didn’t get one thin dime in pork out of this whole process.

You can see this bill. You see how bad it is. You know that this is no way to pass legislation.

So, if you don’t use the parliamentary tools in your power to stop this, you own it. Silence is consent here.

Just wait till those tax bills start rolling in, and people start losing their healthcare coverage.

Truly a disheartening day. If this is how business is done on a regular basis then I am embarrassed and ashamed. I am not proud to be an American today….if this is the American process.
These are not “sweetheart deals”. These are not compromises.
This is bribery and extortion. It is vote buying. It is ACORN on a large scale.
I am sick and tired of watching the corruption and then the same corrupt people slapping themselves on the “historic event”.
Corruption is not historic….it has gone on thruought history and has resulted in the downfall of many.
Ben Nelson is the Pontius Pilate of abortion. Wringing his hands and then washing them because the dead babies will not be in Nebraska.
And taking money for his constituents from the rest of the country’s citizens labor as tribute for a vote.
He should be ashamed and leave in disgrace. But then….he is a US Senator and that is what they do….
Or so you have taught us…..and taught us well.

This should give everyone a better perspective
gnomechumpsky Saturday, December 19th at 6:18PM EST (link)

http://www.truthin08.org/widget/
So there is some disagreement on the actual National Debt…
This link says more like 75 tril..putting me a quarter million in debt.
I think I need some more bullets, somebody will definitely be wanting to collect.

I’m predicting that Nelson, as well as five or six additional senate democrats, will vote NO on the final bill. Then they will go back to their home states and say they opposed the government takeover of healthcare. (Even though we all know by voting for cloture, they voted in favor of the bill)

Pathetic…

Harry Reid finds Nelson’s price. This reminds me of a joke I heard once…
Posted December 19th, 2009 by admin
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First Mary in Louisiana, then Bernie in Vermont, now Ben “I have my principles” Nelson. It is said that everybody has their price, and I guess the men and women in Congress are no exception. Kind of like Tiger’s women, some a little more expensive, some on the cheap, even his wife signed up for 20 million for ten years (sounds like a professional athlete contract doesn’t it?) But we hoped for better. They all know this bill is a monster that will destroy their nation, but they will still vote the party line, for a price. As Mary puts it, (I won’t call her Senator any longer, when I worked the street I didn’t call the street walkers by their last name either.) it was three hundred million not one hundred- so there!

Years ago I heard a joke that puts all of this in perspective. As I was working in my shop, I remembered it and though it was worth sharing. Here goes:

“Once there was a man who was rather crude but direct. One of his co-workers was a haughty-taughty female who found him somewhat repulsive. During one of their constant sharp tongued back and forths the man asks her a question. “Look, be honest. Would you sleep with me for a million dollars?” The woman paused, sizing the man up and down, thinking about her response. Finally she said, “For a million dollars, I would.” The man looks at her. “Would you sleep with me for twenty dollars?” The woman threw her head back and smirked. “Of course not, what do you think I am, a whore?” At which the man said coolly, “We have already established that. What we are doing is haggling over the price.”

If someone had asked me if I would witness a time where not only are the politicians we elected to protect us being bought off so easily, but that the same politicians would do it in the open with an arrogant disregard for us, I would have laughed out loud and said, “At least they would have the common sense to do it where we couldn’t see it. They can’t be suicidal!”

Boy was I wrong.

What exactly is in this newest deal by Reid?

I thought
* the public option is gone
* the Medicare buy in is gone

Is that the case?

Don’t get me wrong, I still think this is a piece of cr@p, but help me understand what this newest Senate version is supposed to do at this point. Is there a helpful link/handout/video that can start going viral about this?

and it is totally applicable to the state of the Senators pimp or lady of the streets status. Once landrieu shouted out that she not only got $1 million, but $3 million, the flood gates opened. Funny little thing on the way to healthcare buy-offs- the chinese cut the credit card up today. And, if I understand it correctly, they said the world cannot afford the debt the US is getting into, particularly with the healthcare bill. So, who will buy our debt if the world cannot afford it? the American taxpayers.

How is this cr*p any different from our founding fathers being ruled and taxed by a government that did not represent their interests ?

I see dark days ahead for our liberty and our country as we used to know it.

…has to be unconstitutional.

One state getting preferential treatment over all the others, with no better reason than bribery to buy a vote?

Nelson is a whore. Reid and obama and co. are no better than an organized crime family trafficking in prostitution.

This . will . not . stand.

as I understand it, Nelson got an exemption form the taxes on non-profit insurance companies…if they are domiciled in Nebraska. Wonder how New York, Connecticut Florida (hear that Bill Nelson) and the rest are going to take they when they figure out that a lot of companies will set up shop as non-profits to avoid the tax and to be more “acceptable” the communists.

By the way, how stupid is Bill Nelson? Sure he got some cover by the exemption for Florida Medicare Advantage recipients, but a third rate socialist (Sanders) and a farmer got the best of him in “Let’s Make A Deal”.

I guess we should be happy, they have given us the seeds to sow for the destruction of the bill. Pitting states against one another can cut both ways boys.

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Maybe you all can help, but didn’t Joe leave D.C. after Franken smacked him? Last I heard, he didn’t like the deal very much. Maybe he’s thinking of retiring and will kill this thing off. We’ll see what kind of friend to Graham and McCain, and us, he really is.

If I recall correctly the bulk of the “stimulus” will go into effect during the 2012 election cycle. Net effect being that any uptick in the economy can be claimed as “from the stimulus” and if that doesn’t work at least the money goes to payoff political pals of incumbents all over the country.

The Dems in charge probably consider that, and the bribes being paid out for reluctant votes for the destruction of the health care system, a nice cushion against backlash. They probably also want to get it over so fast not just because they don’t want anyone to put a spotlight on the guts of it but to also give it the maximum time to be forgotten until the “benefits” kick in on the next election cycle after the next one (2014) so that it also helps them out.

To the PTB of those in charge it’s a plus-plus, two major election cycles coming in which they either rebuy their elections and/or can say to everyone how much they “helped everyone”.

In my opinion the law of unintended consequences is going to bite the US in the ass over this if it finally gets through everything and passes in any form. We really did have a chance to avoid another great depression. Instead of providing tax relief and regulatory relief we see more taxes coming, socialization of (ultimately the destruction of) 1/6th of the economy and more debt meaning the dollar value is going to drop like a rock at some point. It can still be avoided but, given human history in general I somehow suspect that no matter what we’ll end up going the hardest road possible.

given that the thing can still theoretically die multiple ways before becoming law…
Do any of the Governors or Legislatures of any of the States have the authority plus conviction to directly and immediately recall their Senators and stop them from pushing this monstrosity through against the will of the people they represent?
Just asking…

Perhaps God would see it fitting to answer our prayers for a snow storm that would shut down DC and delay the vote…?

I was watching a Star Trek: Voyager episode today ( 20 + Inches of snow fell) The episode was titled Critical Care, where some planet is rationing medical care and its way out of hand and the Doctor gets even!

You have to see this, it would be great to show to to people who dont get that once this thing passes, here comes rationing.

The Plot:
The Doctor is stolen from Voyager by an alien who sells him and his mobile emitter to a hospital on densely-populated planet. He is activated in a cramped room filled with sick people and is made to treat them using only very basic equipment. When the administrators of the facility realize how skilled the Doctor is, they move him to another area of the hospital to treat more deserving patients. The Doctor is appalled to learn that the medical care that people are given is linked to their status in society and hatches a plan to make things a little less discriminatory”

that would put a knot in Harry’s panties. Every Dem Senator needs to say No till they get the same deal. Hell Republicans could offer to vote yes if they can get the same deal, hopefully most, well, some of the republicans would go to the press with it and NOT take the bribe. Ahh, never mind, that “NOT take the bribe” phrase ruined it.

Great article at Real Clear Politics by Sean Trende. You will definitely feel optimistic after reading it.

The last paragraph is priceless … definitely worth a signature line.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/19/the_health_care_bill_is_political_suicide_99590.html

How can 59 Senators allow Nelson of Nebraska require all the other states pay for medical bills? Seems to me there should be at least 20 Senators vote against this bill. What is wrong with with those guys. Has all of them gone crazy?

I know everyone says that he is a party man, but he voted a lot with the republicans on health care amendments.

Any possibility (however remote) that there might be a party switch. Surely these moderate democrats ought to know that they will have to keep voting increasingly liberal and progressive to keep their jobs/positions in the democrat party.

caucus in the house is calling Nelson’s deal on abortion unconstitutional! That’s just hilarious. Oh, so now they discover the constitution. Well, they’re version of it, anyway.

Politico has a lengthy article this morning about the machinations behind Nelson’s deal.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30816.html

I have already sent an e-mail to Julie Schmit-Albin regarding her group’s (Nebraska Right To Life) backing of Ben Nelson in his last election. I strongly urge all pro-lifers posting here to do the same.

info@nerighttolife.org

I think Julie deserves a big shout-out of thanks, don’t you? Especially from those of us in states who will opt-in on abortion.

I was sitting here wondering if the word “Nebraska” was used in Reid’s amendment. It’s not.

http://www.heartland.org/custom/semod_policybot/pdf/26579.pdf

“off topic”

Please sign this petition re: Nelson, Just Say No !! Goal is 25K SIGNATURES to be presented in Omaha today @ 3pm.

http://www.huckpac.com/?Fuseaction=Petitions.View&Petition_id=11

It will never cease to amaze me the arrogance of 60 people going against the will and desire of at least 200 million people. This could be a viable solution;-) http://dancingczars.wordpress.com/2009/12/20/the-answer-to-health-care-and-cap-and-tax/

RINO or not, she was excellent on Face the Nation.

Become good friends with a doctor.
Learn First Aid.
Stay healthy.

And say everyday:

I am mad as hell and I am not going to take in anymore!