Who played the race card? Rasmussen finds that Obama did


"Dollar bill" line about race, while Brittany ad not

Rasmussen actually asked people:

As for Obama’s comment, 53% of white voters saw it as racist, as did 44% of African-Americans and 61% of all other voters.

So who was racist?

Unaffiliated voters, by a five-to-one margin, said the McCain ad was not racist. By a much narrower 50% to 38% margin, unaffiliateds viewed Obama’s comment as racist.

Perhaps the press and the lunatic lefty bloggers will stop now. They are knifing their own candidate by screaming about this.


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Heh

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 9:35AM EST (link)

For Obama it’s the 61% that matters, too, because the 44% are probably going to vote for him in mass quantities anyway.

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andrea mitchell?

gopsteve Sunday, August 3rd at 10:11AM EST (link)

But Andrea Mitchell said all the reporters she talked to said they did not think it was racist.

Shows where they all stand

 

Interesting

Jason_Wolf Sunday, August 3rd at 10:22AM EST (link)

…but you have to wonder how many of the poll respondents were aware that McCain actually made an ad with Obama’s face on currency in June. I think Obama made a mistake in thinking that people were aware of that ad.

And the band played on…

 

Who cares what polling says?

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 10:37AM EST (link)

Just because something wins in a poll doesn’t mean it’s right. Here’s what happened…

  1. McCain has so far run a campaign centered around the narrative that he is a TRUE American and Obama is…a bit less than American. Other, vaguely foreign. What is that but a race issue…

  2. Then, he creates a narrative about how Barack is “uppity,” too big for his breeches. When have we ever heard of a presidential candidate being hammered for being overconfident? Never before. If a white man is confident, he is just self-assured. If a black man is confident, he is “uppity”…

  3. Finally, McCain releases an ad juxtaposing Obama with Paris Hilton and B. Spears, young white women with a reputation for sexual scandals. We’ve seen this kind of subtle messaging with black male candidates before – casting them as oversexualized and tapping into racialized fantasies involving black men and white women.

AND, AFTER ALL OF THIS…AFTER ALL OF THIS…When Obama says in a speech that McCain is attacking him because he doesn’t “look like” traditional candidates, McCain starts waving his hands in the hair and screaming “Race Card! Race Card! Race Card!”

Only in America.

Nobody every suggested "Upity"

Mord (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 10:54AM EST (link)

Breathtakingly arrogant is more like it.

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Wubbies World (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 10:59AM EST (link)

… put forth a good set of talking points. However, as this poll shows, the American people are not buying it. Neither am I.

The old adage about repeating a lie often enough will make it into a fact only applies if people were not paying attention to begin with. I don’t think this is one of those times.

Sorry about that.

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Any links or evidence?

Adam C (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 11:06AM EST (link)

1) “McCain has so far run a campaign centered around the narrative that he is a TRUE American and Obama is…a bit less than American.”

Like what? McCain has pointed out that Obama was wrong on the surge, won’t admit he was wrong, and wants to lead our troops. He’s pointed out that Obama decided to go to Europe and rally foreigners as part of his campaign.

Where did McCain say Obama is “a bit less than American.” I want a link or evidence of this?

2) Show me one time the McCain campaign has used the word “uppity.” They have mocked Obama for being famous for being famous. They are drawing a distinction between someone who has accomplishments and someone whose biggest accomplishment is giving a good speech at a political rally. Arrogant, sure. Uppity, I want evidence.

3) Well the poll above seems to show that the vast majority of Americans don’t think showing black men and white women in the same ad is inherently racist. If he had used black women, do you think the ad would have been just fine? What about Hispanic women?

Just because you find racism in everything doesn’t mean most people do. And those of us working toward a colorblind America don’t think like you. And fortunately, most people want a colorblind America not a color-obsessed one.

Finally, McCain has not attacked him for “looking different.” If he has, please provide a link. He’s attacked him for inexperience, acting entitled, being arrogant, lack of judgment, lack of accomplishments, and misleading rhetoric. But he has not attacked him for “looking different.” In fact, he has gone out of his way not to do so. He even stays away from the Jeremiah Wright stuff because it is a borderline race issues despite all the Anti-American drivel involved and the lack of judgment Obama showed in taking his children to such a church.

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Karl, Obama IS less than American---

janis (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 11:10AM EST (link)

because anyone who disses America to a foreign audience in order to score cheap points (and failed, I might point out) is not worthy of the identity as “American.”
Has nothing at all to do with his race as John Kerry was no true American in that sense either and that man is as white as mayonnaise. Well, less the spray on orangey tan.

“Uppity”? Project much? No one called him uppity, but lots of folks have called him arrogant, narcissistic, and way too confident of his non-credentials as a leader.

As to the ad with Paris and Brittany, the point was that their credentials for being a celebrity are just as nonexistent as Obama’s—it’s much ado about nothing BUT celebrity.

But, hey, if you want to keep supporting someone with no principles, no achievements, and no real love for this country, that’s your deal. Rock on.

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ZootSuit (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 11:15AM EST (link)

… allow me to ask, what in the world are you talking about:

First, please point to one campaign ad or comment he has made where McCain has argued that he is the American in the race and Obama is not. Quite the contrary, McCain has run a commendably non-racial campaign, and has gone out of his way to commend Obama many times. Consider, for example, McCain comments about Obama at the NAACP Convention last month.

Perhaps you are confusing the McCain campaign with the Hillary Clinton’s.

Second, no one has called Obama “uppity.” Again, please provide an example.

Arrogant, yes, but if you are going to accuse anyone for calling Obama arrogant, again, please start with the Democrats like Hillary Clinton.

Third, this accusation against McCain is so stupid it’s laughable. As a friend and family member of many liberal African-Americans, I can honestly say that it seems to me that the only people really upset about a supposed sexual context underlying the McCain ad are silly White liberals. Even those of my Black liberal friends who think that McCain’s ad is “negative” are laughing about the so-called sexual context of it.

Quite frankly, it seems that White liberals — far more than either White conservatives or Blacks of whatever political persuasion — are the ones who are obsessed with the idea of miscengenation or interracial relationships.

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Response

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 11:26AM EST (link)
  1. McCain has said…”I am the American president Americans have been waiting for.”

He has said that Obama would rather lose a war and win an election than win in Iraq, in effect accusing a sitting senator of treason.

He has accused Obama of not visiting soldiers because he couldn’t bring cameras with him, even though this has been widely disproven.

What is all of this but, as I said, defining Obama as “other,” “different,” “not one of us.”

  1. I never said that the McCain camp called Obama “uppity.” What they have done is, for the first time in electoral history attacked an opponent for being overconfident, thinking he is the messiah (See McCain’s latest ad). Again, a white man would never be accused of being overconfident…A black man doesn’t know his place…

  2. In any event, these personal attacks at beneath John McCain, who once was an honorable man. And these kind of rhetorical games, moreover, are hurting America. We need good, honest debate about the issues – the mortgage crisis, immigration, taxes, the war. Whether you are Republican or Democrat you can surely agree to this. Elections should not be a bloodsport, but a serious conversation about ideas. America needs to escape the “spin zone” and get serious.

That's because they believe their penance for the past sins of their fathers remains incomplete.

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 11:31AM EST (link)

Quite frankly, it seems that White liberals — far more than either White conservatives or Blacks of whatever political persuasion — are the ones who are obsessed with the idea of miscengenation or interracial relationships.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

What a load of horse crap.

janis (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 11:31AM EST (link)

McCain never said the quote you attributed to him. It comes from Obama’s speech where he said “We are the ones we have been waiting for.” Whatever that is supposed to mean.

As to what McCain said about Obama being willing to lose a war to win high office, he’s dead on the money. What else could you deduce from someone who refuses to admit his judgement was wrong on something like the surge, even AFTER ADMITTING IT HAD WORKED.

I think you're projecting your own racist tendencies onto us.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 11:35AM EST (link)

I’ve never seen a conservative say things like “A black man doesn’t know his place.”

As for the rather win a campaign that the war charge, it was based on Obama saying that it didn’t matter if the surge was successful, he’d still be against it because of political considerations.

Now if you want to argue ideology, please explain why Obama’s push for more government control over every aspect of your life is better than simple personal freedom…..

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We would love an "honest debate on the issues"

Mord (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 11:41AM EST (link)

The problem is, Obama refuses to debate McCain, after bragging twice that he would do so “anytime, anywhere”. He hasn’t done a single debate since Hillary made him look foolish back in February.

Where has it ben widely disproven that Obama declined to Visit wounded troops in germany? He went to workout instead. My personal theory is that Obama didn’t go because the Troops would refuse to meet with a spineless surrendo-crat like him anyways.

Frankly it is very insulting to say that McCain is no longer an honorable man, simply because he Criticized Obama. Obama is just a man, and a sleazy man at that.

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Okay

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 11:44AM EST (link)

I don’t care if you’re black and if your black liberal friends agree with you about McCain’s campaign. From one human being to another human being…you’ve got to pull your head from the sand, my friend.

What do you think is really behind this constant barrage of attacks on Obama’s patriotism? The whole point is to suggest that he is not one of us. He is different. This isn’t your grandmother’s racism – but it’s something far more subtle, far more under-the-radar.

You may say that I see race issues where there are none. But I respond that there is a racialized war going on around you and your head is in the sand.

Correct

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 11:53AM EST (link)

A Republican would never say out loud that Barack Obama, as a black man, “does not know his place.”

Welcome, young man, to the world of marketing and “messaging.” You suggest those things but don’t say them outright.

White Guilt

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 11:54AM EST (link)

What a bunch of crap. This is what people are fed up with. You Dems see race everywhere. Get over it. If you keep using this line to attack McCain, that he is racist, you will lose. The vast majority of Americans are tired of this over used ploy. I pray that you keep using this tactic. Obama has consistently had trouble with the white working class vote and statements such as, “I don’t look like all the presidents on the dollar bill and by the way did I mention he is black” will serve no purpose but to alienate these voters even further. White guilt may work on eggheads who don’t have any idea how the average American lives but it will not play well with the rest of the electorate.

You see race in everything

Adam C (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 11:54AM EST (link)

That’s your problem, not ours. Criticizing Obama’s Iraq judgment is not a racial issue. Criticizing Obama for not visiting the troops in Germany is not a racial issue.

“In any event, these personal attacks at beneath John McCain, who once was an honorable man. And these kind of rhetorical games, moreover, are hurting America. We need good, honest debate about the issues – the mortgage crisis, immigration, taxes, the war.”

If someone called Obama dishonorable, you’d probably call it a racist attack but you’re fine with doing it to Sen. McCain.

But we agree on one thing, it would be nice to debate issues. Too bad the MSM thought covering the substance-free Berlin speech was more important than asking questions about Fannie Mae. McCain pinned an op-ed on it and no one cared. McCain talks a lot about the surge and how it has enabled us to consider leaving Iraq with our heads held high. Obama still thinks the surge was wrong.

We could talk energy policy but the Dems shut down the House instead. We could talk about racial preferences since both candidates have taken different stances on the Civil Rights Referendum in Arizona but the MSM doesn’t want to cover that.

They want to cover a rock-star celebrity who gives pretty, substance-free speeches. That’s what McCain is mocking and for the first time, it is penetrating into the media.

I wish we had different journalists who cared that Obama has no social security plan and was wrong on Iraq policy. But we don’t. We have media who cares more about appearance and horse-race numbers.

I’m sorry that the only way you can see policy and judgment issues is: “What is all of this but, as I said, defining Obama as “other,” “different,” “not one of us.”" It saddens me that there are still people so obsessed with race they can’t comprehend that not everyone is that obsessed.

I hope we get passed that some day.

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You are full of it...be gone

speciallist (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 11:58AM EST (link)

What?

Jason_Wolf Sunday, August 3rd at 11:58AM EST (link)

My personal theory is that Obama didn’t go because the Troops would refuse to meet with a spineless surrendo-crat like him anyways.

Eh? Did he not just visit troops in Iraq previous to his stop in Germany? You know…where he shot the three pointer in front of “the troops”? ( Footage which was then used by McCain, oddly enough)

Finding Race Everywhere

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 11:59AM EST (link)

The simple fact of the matter is, blacks cannot say that racism is not at play. They have gained to much over the years using this tactic. The fear among blacks is that if Obama is elected they will no longer have the racist hammer to bang whites over the head with. Therefore, they must inject race into this campaign at every turn to ensure if Obama is elected they cn still point to all the injustice he had to overcome and keep this tool in their tool belt for future extortion.

In the words of a greater man than you would

janis (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:00PM EST (link)

ever recognize “There you go again.”

You refuse to answer the questions put to you and insist on injecting race everywhere instead. You’re the racist, not us.

By the way, wasn’t it Michael Steele in Maryland who had Oreos thrown at him when he was running for Senate in ’06? Smart, accomplished and black–but a Republican. That, to people such as yourself, is the ultimate betrayal, right? We are not the party that uses race as a wedge and a club. That would be your side.

The point?

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:00PM EST (link)

The point is to show that Obama is an empty suit. He has no experience. His rhetoric is void of substance. He doesn’t show up for the job he has now.

This has absolutely nothing to do with his race and everything to do with his experience.

I would’ve said policy too, but that changes from day to day. So much so, that I don’t think even he knows what his position is on anything today.

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Actually, McCain['s ad] did say that!

ThreeNineNine Sunday, August 3rd at 12:03PM EST (link)

Back in March, before Obama was even the candidate.

Video
WaPo Article

I dunno

Adam C (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:04PM EST (link)

Maybe race isn’t “behind” every issue and attack in a political race. If Obama is not allowed to be criticized because of his race, then we have not made it to a point where the country is beyond race. Again, that would sadden me. However, this campaign seems to be showing that it is white liberals who are not beyond race while polls like this show that most people have moved on.

Obama is running for President. If he dodges meeting with the troops, he will be criticized regardless of his father’s skin color. If he is wrong on the biggest political issue of the day (Iraq strategy), he deserves to get criticized regardless of his father’s skin tone.

If he is not allowed to be criticized without people like you saying criticism is racist, then I’m worried about what would happen with him as President. Would opposition to his policies be racist?

“You may say that I see race issues where there are none. But I respond that there is a racialized war going on around you and your head is in the sand.”

Or your radar is turned on “hyper-mode.” If it’s so underground that 80% of the country doesn’t see it and only white liberals do, then why does it matter?

The rest of us can actually debate policy, issues and judgment while y’all wring your hands about how every attack is obviously racial if you look at it closely enough.

And I will echo others on this thread. You are playing with fire here. If ex-Hillary supporters think that they are being called racist because they don’t like Obama’s inexperience or lack of foreign policy knowledge, it will backfire on you. I would be vary wary going around saying “you criticized Obama, thus you are racist.” It’s a quick way to define Obama as the “black candidate” who will “play the race card.” And unlike the D primaries, blacks are 10-15% of voters in the general election rather than 30-40% in the primaries.

Calling voters racist is not usually a way to win their votes (outside of academics, but you have them locked up already).

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Racism

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 12:12PM EST (link)

If you want to talk about racism all you need to do is reference the speeches and video from the Reverend Wright. Obama has still not explained how he sat in that anti-white, anti-American church for 20 years. Obama is suppose to be this great light worker who transcends all other politicians, politics, and ideas, yet he was not intelligent enough to know the church he attended for 20 years was racist and espoused a black liberation theology that should and did offend the vast majority of Americans. Either this is a very dumb man, which means he is not fit to lead, or he is so naive as to have the intellect of a four year old, which also means he is unfit to lead. If he couldn’t understand the racist rants of his own Reverend and call him out on it how is he ever going to stand up for the American people and the American way with despots around the world?

 

Here's what is really disappointing...

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 12:15PM EST (link)

If William F. Buckley or Milton Friedman or any of the great conservative thinkers saw the infamous Hilton/Spears ad, they would be ashamed. You have to admit that these ads are silly; they make vague, personal attacks and don’t discuss the actual issues at all.

The conservative movement was once the party of ideas, folks. I remember reading Buckley, Friedman, Hayek when I was younger and they all left a profound effect on me. They were all civil people, who whether or not they disagreed with you, always believed in respectful, serious discourse.

McCain has assured that this election is not, however, going to be about ideas. He has assured that it is going to be about “winning the next news cycle,” “spinning” each word out of Obama’s mouth, slandering his character, attacking his integrity. This is not the conservative movement I grew up respecting.

I watched the video and saw the title.

janis (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:19PM EST (link)

And you’re right and I was wrong, sort of.
McCain didn’t say it about himself, but he did approve the message.

Still, it was not meant in a racist way, as this poster wants to use it.

You nailed it.

Mord (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:21PM EST (link)

Most people are generally color-blind…or at the very least color-indifferent. That is what this poll shows I think. The “Old Media” is dominated by white lberals, who, as many people point out in this thread, are the only large group of american citizens left that actually care about skin color. I dislike Obama because of his policies. I couldn’t care less what color he is.

Heck, I work outside, my skin is nearly as dark as his is for 6 months out of the year. Who cares?

This whole “critics are racists” is back-firing big-time on the media and the Democrats. Nobody likes being called a racist and they are calling anyone who not only votes against BO, but who merely disagrees with him a racist. They are seriously out of touch with the mainstream citizens.

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Karl do believe the 9/11 conspiracy too?

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:22PM EST (link)

Of course the fact that Obama does the following has nothing to do with criticism of his patriotism:

  1. Hangs out with anti-American fellas like the Weather Underground

  2. Supports socialist and Anti-American organizations like ACORN

  3. Parked hut skinny butt in a pew for twenty years listening to racist and anti-American rants from his “Spiritual Mentor”

  4. Can’t decide whether or not he should wear an American flag pin.

  5. Continually tells us that we should be more like Europeans.

  6. Avoids meeting with US troops at every opportunity (our troops really don’t like him much you know)

  7. Subscribes to the open borders one-world view

  8. Calls us bitter, because we don’t follow his socialist world view

And that’s just patriotism, how about:

  1. His only real leadership experience is community organizing, and the communities he “Organized” are in as bad or worse shape than before he showed up.
  2. He advocates the same socialist economic “solutions” that have been tried and repeatedly failed in the past.
  3. He’d rather see us priced out of the energy market, that buck his enviro allies and increase American energy production

And the list goes on…

But, you’re right, we’re all racist for not swooning over “The One”.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Please give me a break

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 12:25PM EST (link)

Listing a string of famous conservative names does not convince me you are a conservative. Try that somewhere else. Would you criticize the racist ads from the Dem party such as the James Bird ad where his daughter basically states Bush was a racist for not supporting hate crimes legislation without noting that he did support the death penalty for the individuals who committed the crime. No hate crimes legislation could have delivered a more harsh punishment. You can only kill someone once.

KarlLiebknecht speaks for William F. Buckley

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:28PM EST (link)

and Milton Friedman.

“Slandering his character”

What character? This man will say anything to get a vote. No policy position is safe, no campaign staffer is safe. He goes shopping to avoid the troops. He comes up with his own seal, he already has given instructions to his White House transition team.

It would be real hard to “slander” his character.

Troll

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Filed under "ooops!"

Jason_Wolf Sunday, August 3rd at 12:33PM EST (link)

….Blogging on the Huffington Post, Kathy Hilton — the mother of socialite Paris Hilton and a donor to Sen. John McCain’s presidential campaign — says she does not approve of McCain’s new TV ad which unfavorably compares Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., to her daughter.

“It is a complete waste of the money John McCain’s contributors have donated to his campaign,” Hilton writes.

“It is a complete waste of the country’s time and attention at the very moment when millions of people are losing their homes and their jobs. And it is a completely frivolous way to choose the next president of the United States.”

McCain, R-Ariz., uses an image of Paris Hilton in a new TV ad to imply Obama is an empty-headed celebrity, apparently unaware that Paris’s parents, Rick and Kathy, donated $4,600 to his campaign.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Setting aside all these "great, conservative

janis (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:34PM EST (link)

thinkers” you wish to beat us over the head with, Karl, how about this? John F. Kennedy himself would be struck dumb with horror at the candidate that is leading what used to be the party of national defense.

Remember JFK’S own words” Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country?” Obama and the rest of the leadership in your party have twisted that exactly backward. John F. Kennedy couldn’t get nominated in his own party these days, much less elected by them. That’s how far down the tubes you folks have gone.

As to Buckley and Friedman, given your chosen candidate this year, I can’t see that you agreed with them about much of anything.

You prove my point.

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 12:34PM EST (link)

Debate the issues!

Besides, what do you know about Obama’s character that hasn’t been fed to you by the McCain spin machine. What do we know of the character of any politician? Nothing, really. All we have is their legislative record. Again, get serious and talk about the issues man.

It is much different to be hassled while you are in pain.

Mord (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:36PM EST (link)

Most military people would be pleased to meet a potential candidate for President. The troops in that Video, for example.

But when you are suffering physically, it is alot harder to put up with the BS that comes with a high-profile visit. I was injured in Iraq and recieved plenty of official visitors, but they always ask before they come barging into your room. It’s perfectly fine to refuse, and I bet most guys would refuse to see a guy who was activly trying to undermine the very mission you just got f-ed up trying to accomplish. I could be wrong, I was just offering up what I would have done if I had still been there and some politician wanted to try a grin-and-grip while running on a platform of defeat.

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Legislative Record

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 12:36PM EST (link)

What legislative record? Obama’s legislative records consists of mosty present votes and votes he claims he miscast.

Yeah, Lohan would've been a better choice. -nt-

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:39PM EST (link)

-nt-

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I never said...

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 12:40PM EST (link)

that I was a conservative. I said that I admired many conservative thinkers – like Friedman and Buckley.

But you see, you’re trapped in these rigid categories…One cannot possibly respect conservative thinkers and also like Obama on many issues. One cannot like McCain but think that his recent ads are beneath him. Either you agree with every conservative idea in the history of politics are you don’t.

As it turns out, I think that Friedman’s basic hypothesis about the damaging effect of governmental bureacracy is true. But I think that today’s Republicans are fundamentally big-government politicians and, moreover, want to involve themselves in our personal lives, in our bedrooms, more than Friedman or Hayek ever would have wanted. I happen to prefer Obama because I think we need someone younger and he is clearly extremely intelligent, regardless of whether you agree with him on every issue. Anyway, he won’t expand the federal government any more than Bush already has.

Character

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 12:41PM EST (link)

So basically you are saying we don’t know anything about his character and we know he has no legislative record to look at, so we should vote for him because he knows how to say hope and change. Yeah that makes sense. Once again, give me a break.

You gotta love libs like old Karl here

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:44PM EST (link)

Unlike you, and most Obama supporters, I can think independently. I can research Obama’s ties to Rescko(sp), Wright, Ayers, Dorn, ACORN and yada, yada, yada.

You claim “All we have is their legislative record.” You’re correct about something. Only, your guy has NO record worth debating. John McCain challenged him to debate the issues at ten town halls over ten weeks. You guy doesn’t have the stones to debate the issues. And since he wont’ we’ll point out all his other failings.

And it if it drives the you, the nutroots and the Obamanation to distraction, more the better.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

How Do We Know

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 12:51PM EST (link)

How do we know he is intelligent. We know he gives a great speech off a teleprompter. But when he speaks extemporaneously he doesn’t seem to be able to string two intelligent thoughts together between all the uhs and ums. We know he lifts alot of his rhetoric from other Demcrats, such as Deval Patrick, Mario Cuomo, etc. He got the Change mantra from Saul Alinsky, he got “the one” from the matrix, he lifted hoodwinded and bamboozled from Spike Lee’s Malcom X. He doesnt’ seem to have any original thougts and even in his wonderful speeches he doesn’t lay out exactly how he will implement change or what exactly that change is. He also talks of uniting but there is no record that he has ever united anyone. So if I follow your advise and look only at his legislative record and what he states on the campaign trail all I am left with is the feeling this guy is an empty suit who give a good prepared speech. That’s probably why he doesn’t want to engage in Town Hall debates with McCain because his answers won’t be on a screen for him and will prove himself the empty vessel he truly is.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

What issues do you like Obama on? Given that the

janis (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:52PM EST (link)

man switches positions more often than Kerry did, it’s tough to tell what his issues truly are.

As to “big-government politicians”, but parties can be tarred with that brush, unfortunately. Many of us here are federalists, wishing that the size of government would be heading in the opposite direction. And you are wrong that Obama wouldn’t expand the size of the gov. more than President Bush has. He has stated some ideas that would expand it so far beyond what it is now that it is breathtaking–not to mention hideously expensive. How’s about that National Civilian Troop idea that he has proposed?

Karl answer this (directly please) if you can.

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:53PM EST (link)

Barack Obama is afraid to meet John McCain for debates. Do you really want him negotiating with the leaders of terrist nations and those who support terrorism?

If he’s afraid he’ll say the wrong thing in a debate with John McCain, shouldn’t we worry about the results of debates with world leaders?

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Don't Forget

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 12:55PM EST (link)

Don’t forget the 1 trillion dollar world poverty tax.

"I happen to prefer Obama because I think we need someone younger "

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:56PM EST (link)

Sounds like age discrimination to me.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

As well as the proposed "Birth to 5 years old"

janis (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 12:58PM EST (link)

care for children. Not to mention the $1000 per man, woman and child “rebate” he has proposed that will be coming out of the oil companies pockets. Yes, indeed, change you can believe in–because that’s all you are going to have left in your pockets.

Prefer someone because of youth

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 1:01PM EST (link)

This reminds me of Chris Matthews telling us to listen to our kids and vote the way they do. I don’t know about anyone else, but I have a 20 year old kid. He is in college, thougful and nice. He is also niave and irresponsible at times. I don’t think voting for someone because they are young is really a bright idea for people who have experience with young people. They are idealistic and get taken away by their emotions. You know what they say if you aren’t a liberal when you are young you have no heart but if you aren’t a conservative by the time you are 40 you have no brains or something to that effect.

Yeah, I think Pelosi and Reid take political advice from my two 20 somethings!

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:05PM EST (link)

n/t

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Heh

Adam C (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:05PM EST (link)

“McCain has assured that this election is not, however, going to be about ideas.”

Yeah, it’s McCain who doesn’t talk policy. He challenged Obama to a dual town hall every week. Obama ran away.

The MSM follows Obama anywhere and reports his non-issue rhetoric as if its news.

McCain goes around the country to small town halls and talks policy all day. No news.

The idea that the “Hope and Change” candidate is trying to talk about issues while the Senate veteran is devoid of them is quite humorous.

Let me know when Obama starts wanting to talk about issues instead of the “they want you to vote against me cause I’m black” which is quite personal and an attack. He called McCain a racist. That’s not issues.

I’m sure McCain would love to have a town hall tomorrow on energy policy or Iraq or foreign policy. He knows this stuff and he’s been right most of the time. Just because Obama prefers massive audience and speeches about sweet nothingness, that isn’t McCain’s fault.

And McCain has to get into the media or else the whole campaign is driven by Obama’s charisma. I think you’re just bitter because McCain found a weakness in Mr. Perfect and it resonates with people.

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$1000 rebate

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 1:06PM EST (link)

And don’t forget this rebate is going to come from a windfall profit tax on the oil companies, which they in turn will pass onto us at the pumps.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

media shows how far to left of public it is....again

ikez78 (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:08PM EST (link)

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/soren-dayton/2008/08/03/msnbc-cnn-say-britney-ad-racis-american-people-do-not#comment-675948
And yet we see the press seeing McCain as the racist, again demonstrating the massive gap between the media and the public with the press AGAIN being far to the left of the general public. This should be shoved down their throats too.

http://www.regimeofterror.com/

Discussing allegations of Saddam Hussein’s support of terrorism

character

Adam C (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:09PM EST (link)

Well the whole Jeremiah Wright incident happened before McCain was even running against him. His association with domestic terrorists like Ayers happened long before McCain even knew who he was. Obama’s decision to take his children to racist church was not McCain’s fault.

We have a decent amount of info on his personal judgment.

And his political judgment hasn’t been too good either. He opposed the surge and won’t admit it worked. He cares more about being liked by the anti-war fringe than working toward winning in Iraq and supporting our troops there. That’s enough “judgment” for people to have an opinion about it.

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I forgot

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 1:09PM EST (link)

Oh, but I forgot, if I just inflate my tires and get a tuneup that hike at the pumps won’t effect me.

Yes, we know a lot about Obama's character

Cheetah772 (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:18PM EST (link)

Here’s what we know about Obama’s character.

  1. He belonged to Rev. Wright’s church for 20 years, listening to sermons where Wright believed that US government was involved with spreading AIDS among black people. Wright also displayed anti-American sentiments, even at one point, took the name of Lord in vain. For 20 years, Obama didn’t tear up his membership until under political pressure, he did so.

  2. He surrounded himself with key players like Rezko and others who have proven to be dirty. It tells us a lot about his judgment of other people and subordinates. He picked Johnson to be the chairman of VP vetting process, that is until it was discovered Johnson had some questionable business deals. Obama had no choice but to throw Johnson under the bus. There you go.

  3. He favored gun control laws, until DC vs. Heller came along. All of a sudden, he favored Heller! What about death penalty? Supreme Court ruled that child rapists could not get death penalty and Obama opposed the ruling. Unfortunately for him, he was on record opposing death penalty anyway.

  4. He opposed offshore oil drilling, but now changed his position on it. Why? Because he is willing to do anything to win the election. What does that tell you about his character? Obama is not being truthful about positions he takes on major issues.

  5. He made a stupid comment about bitter people clinging on to religion and guns. That cost him a lot of votes in Pennsylvania, what does that tell you about his character? The fact is he views himself as an elitist. He walks with an atmosphere of intellectual superiority. He whined about how he had a tough childhood, but he attended a top private academy in Hawaii. So, how could his childhood be tough? He had a silver spoon in his mouth.

  6. He choose to give a grand speech in the front of Victory Column in Germany instead of doing some serious work. He gave a speech to 200,000 non-eligible voters — Germans! He wanted to give his speech in the exact place where Reagan once gave his famous, “tear this wall down” speech. Here we have a presidential candidate who thinks he is now President of the United States, never mind the fact that the election is four months away. What does that tell you about his character? He is arrogant and belittling anyone who dares to question his stances and character.

  7. He only stayed in Iraq for one or two days. Why not a week? What France, England, and Germany could do for him? Why not stay in Iraq for one week, taking tours and talking to everybody who has done a fantastic job of rebuilding Iraq from scratch? I’d bet that he would learn a lot more than if he only stayed for one or two days. Obama choose to ignore that.

There are so many more, where his character should be questioned. Don’t tell us that we can’t judge anybody based on their character and stances on major issues. Don’t you ever dare to do that.

With all due respect, I think you’re asking for a lot of trouble debating this on Redstate.

Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

Debunked

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 1:19PM EST (link)

I think the idea that Obama will not expand government has now been debunked. As George Will said the government should provide for the defense of the nation, secure the borders and get the hell out of the way in all other matters. I don’t need the government to insruct or control how I live. I have done pretty well all by myself in my 40 years. Thanks Barack but no thanks.

 
 
 
 
 

Watch: David Gergen repeats my point.

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 1:23PM EST (link)

David Gergen, former Reagan advisor and current Harvard professor, talking about McCain’s subtle messaging…Watch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq7Ig00YsWg&eurl=http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

They can't pass it on.

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:24PM EST (link)

Gasoline prices are maxed out right now. People won’t pay more, so they cut back to control the costs.

Oil companies will simply stop drilling new wells. Since there’s no financial incentive to do so (their margin is already very tight), they’ll just wait until the tax environment is better.

This means there will be a further reduction in supply, which will hold prices high with no relief in sight.

The net result is a lower GDP and fewer jobs.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

 
 

Watch:

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 1:26PM EST (link)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq7Ig00YsWg&eurl=http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

Uninformed

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 1:27PM EST (link)

Do you even know what this guy has proposed? Because your statements on bigger government are easily debunked. I don’t believe you even know anything about the guy. You need to do some research on your candidate. You are a victim of Obama love. Stop trying to rebutt the facts with opinion. But then again a good lib never let the facts get in the way of how he feels.

Karl, I think you're lost.

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:29PM EST (link)

dKos was the door on the LEFT. You took the door on the right by mistake.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Link doesn't work

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:32PM EST (link)

But it doesn’t matter. We don’t care what Gergen said. Back up your own arguments.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Door on Left

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 1:34PM EST (link)

That was very funny

Hey, I live in a Red State.

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 1:35PM EST (link)

I live in a red state, grew up in a red state and voted Republican until Bush sank the Republican party.

If it makes you uncomfortable that I point out the facts about McCain’s so-far sleazy campaign tactics, then maybe you should try a website where no one disagrees and everyone holds hands in perfect harmony. Disagreement and healthy debate is the essence of a healthy democracy, dude.

Karl

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 1:37PM EST (link)

I think Karl’s last name might be Marx

David Gergen

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 1:42PM EST (link)

I can’t remember the last time I cared what Gergen had to say. He is the Republican liberals love because he is not a real republican and they trot him out everytime they can.

I'm betting Austin

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:45PM EST (link)

Who else wants to take a guess?

Karl, you are confusing debate with talking points. One of them requires intelligent consideration of objective reality. The other is faith in hopes and dreams.

We discuss reality here and have the intellectual honesty to label opinions as such.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Dude, we don't debate video ads, lets' debate policy

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:46PM EST (link)

Give us one, just one, Obama policy that makes sense. One policy that would cause someone to change their mind.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Gergen is a Republican?

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:47PM EST (link)

Who knew?

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Bush sank Republican Party? I didn't know that you have a sense of humor! *roll eyes*

Cheetah772 (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 1:48PM EST (link)

By the way, McCain hasn’t run so-sleazy campaign. After all, he didn’t give a speech to 200,000 foreigners or implied that Obama is a black racist, or even a radical muslim. And McCain didn’t change with the wind on every major issue. That makes McCain a more honest politician than Obama will ever be.

Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

Fact

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 1:51PM EST (link)

Definition of fact for Karl’s clarification.

This an event known to have happened or something known to have existed) “your fears have no basis in fact”; “how much of the story is fact and how much fiction is hard to tell”
S: (n) fact (a concept whose truth can be proved) “scientific hypotheses are not facts”

What you are saying is not a fact as it cannot be verified. It is your opinion. I will leave it up to you to find out what an opinion is.

Ah, yes...

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 1:51PM EST (link)

He is not a ‘real Republican’ because he does not toe the party line. Because he dares to express independent thinking and not parrot whatever message the party elders happen to be pushing.

That’s another thing: back in the day, the conservative movement never demanded rigid ideological agreement. You could be a conservative but respect a particular Democratic candidate or idea. You could be a conservative and dislike a particular Republican candidate.

I remember William F. Buckley arguing for hours and hours with liberals on his TV program and not once did he slander their character or say that they were unpatriotic or stupid. He argued with civility and respect and never demonized them just because they disagreed.

Ridid

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 1:57PM EST (link)

I hope somebody here can help me out but Karl, during the Democratic convention I believe in 04 Dems wouldn’t let a Pennsylvannia Dem speak at the convention because he was pro life. Anybody remember his name? Talk about rigid. The dems are definitely not a big tent party. Joe Leiberman was for the war and the surge and they ran him out. Ran another candidate for his seat because he did’t agree with their war position. I don’t ever want to hear about Republicans forcing people to tow the line. We have a candidate we disagree with on man issues but we didn’t run him out of the party we nominated him. Get real

Stop guessing: Montana

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 1:58PM EST (link)

We demonize you because you offer no valid arguments. n/t

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:02PM EST (link)

n/t

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Oh I don't know Karl, maybe this is a clue though

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:04PM EST (link)

From the Harvard Crimson

One of the more surprising $2,300 contributions to Obama came from Anne Gergen. She is the wife of Kennedy School Professor of Public Service David R. Gergen, who has been an adviser to four presidents—including Bill Clinton. Professor Gergen did not respond to requests for comment on whether he too is supporting Obama.

Shall we keep playing until Moe shows up, or have you had enough?

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Rea

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 2:04PM EST (link)

Obama now wants 50 billion dollars to create jobs. But when you look at is plan it is another government stimulus plan to give people money. Why can’t this guy understand if you want to create jobs you lower taxes for businesses so they can invest and create new jobs. Once again, why am I suppose to believe this guy is intelligent?

The more Karl speaks, the more obvious it becomes

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:06PM EST (link)

Karl has studied Conservatives in the mist. He thinks he knows how we think. He thinks he can pretend to live by conservative principles. Yet he cannot fathom that absolutely no conservative could justify an Obama presidency.

It goes against everything we believe in.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Because that woudl require renouncing his religion

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:07PM EST (link)

Religion requires faith, which often means believing in things that can’t be objectively proven.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Giving him too much credit

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:11PM EST (link)

He is just trolling by pretending to say waht he thinks conservatives say. To be fair, I couldn’t go to Dkos and pretend to be a liberal either.

We should have declared Hinz rule awhile ago, but sometimes it is fun to play with your food.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Nice "gotcha"...

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 2:14PM EST (link)

Except…that it is his wife that gave, not him. And except…that he hasn’t endorsed either candidate yet…But thanks for playing.

You're so ideologically hidebound

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 2:18PM EST (link)

that you find it impossible that someone could be an independent and find some conservative ideas appealing and some liberal ideas appealing. You’re imprisoned by your own narrowness and rigidity.

By the way, I was reading Milton Friedman when you were playing with GI Joes and soiling your underwear, so have some respect.

yes, the "Gergen agrees with me" argument

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:18PM EST (link)

Well, that seals it. Clearly your position is unassailable.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

Clever one at that

SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:18PM EST (link)

Google the name, you might get a better understanding of the “game”.

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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

Respect

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 2:27PM EST (link)

Your commentabout soiling pants was rather disrespectful and childish. You should definitely go play with the KosKids. You would definitely be more comfortable there.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

We've seen this movie before......

Susannah (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:29PM EST (link)

The problem for Obama is that we’ve seen this movie before. During the Democratic primary, Obama tried to imply that any legitimate criticism of him was racist. It was clearly a way for him to “take issues off the table” that were unflattering to him. Pat Buchanan called it “the intimidation card” in an excellent column that he wrote (linked below).

For instance, Bill Clinton pointed out that Obama was inexperienced by calling him “risky” and a “roll of the dice”. The Obama campaign cried “racism”. Bill Clinton pointed out that Obama had never really been some staunch anti-war advocate (and had never really had a strong position on Iraq one way or another during his time in the US Senate), and that Obama had voted the same way that Hillary had, when he called Obama’s Iraq opposition a “fairy tale”. Again, the Obama campaign cried racism. Hillary pointed out a weakness of Obama’s to the USA Today editorial board when she pointed out that he was weak with the white working class voters, that she was winning over. Predictably, the Obama campaign cried “racism”.

So now, when McCain runs a perfectly legitimate ad that implies that Obama is a vacuous, unaccomplished celebrity (like Paris Hilton), who is simply famous for being Barack Obama, Obama again cries “racism”. Enough!! We’ve seen this movie before and it wasn’t that good the first time. Obama is simply trying to intimidate his opponents into not raising legitimate issues about him (i.e., concerns about his experience, flip-flopping on Iraq, and patriotism), by bullying them with false charges of racism. Well, the problem for Obama is that he has become “the boy who cried race” and we are all, now, wise to his game. The jig is up.

[Pat Buchanan]
(http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=26483)

[Fox News]
(http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/06/21/obama-suggests-gop-will-use-race-to-scare-voters/)

Very comfortable, thanks

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 2:34PM EST (link)

I actually love RedState, one of my favorite blogs.

But I sense that you may be uncomfortable.. Does it make you nervous not to be in an echo chamber anymore where everyone agrees and holds hands?

Not Uncomfortable

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 2:39PM EST (link)

No, I’m not uncomfortable my husband is a Dem. I am just worried at your advanced age you might get so excited you have a heart attack and being the compassionate conservative that I am I want to make sure you are not overextending your mind, which may or may not be in the beginning stages of senility, and potentially inviting a stroke. But if you feel confident this will not happen, then I will continue you enjoy and laugh out loud at your insipid posts.

Not uncomfortable at all, we love to beat up on trolls.

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:39PM EST (link)

Sounds like age discrimination to me.

It’s a nice diversion on an otherwise boring Sunday. We’ll tire of you soon.

Unless, of course, you offer ANY fact based arguments to which we can respond.

The only thing more fun than playing with a liberal troll is deconstructing their “arguments” with facts.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Not uncomfortable at all, we love to beat up on trolls.

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:40PM EST (link)

It’s a nice diversion on an otherwise boring Sunday. We’ll tire of you soon.

Unless, of course, you offer ANY fact based arguments to which we can respond.

The only thing more fun than playing with a liberal troll is deconstructing their “arguments” with facts.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

That's stupid

Darin_H (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:41PM EST (link)

You aren’t your geography. I live in a blue part of a blue state (Corvallis, Oregon). It doesn’t mean that the liberalism has rubbed off on me.

A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls

555 LOL!

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:43PM EST (link)

There’s the respect!

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

So you are a liar too?

Darin_H (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:47PM EST (link)

If you actually read RedState you would know that these 2 statements you made are incompatible.

I actually love RedState, one of my favorite blogs.

But I sense that you may be uncomfortable.. Does it make you nervous not to be in an echo chamber anymore where everyone agrees and holds hands?

You must never have been here before this morning when someone at Kos pointed you this way, otherwise you’d know how silly these statements are.

By all means, continue looking like a fool.

A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls

Uh...

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 2:47PM EST (link)

I never said that my position was “unassailable.” But way to put words in my mouth…Learn how to argue.

Yea

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 2:49PM EST (link)

At least my candidate knows that Czechoslovakia isn’t a country anymore. Talk about senility.

Ah, name-calling

KarlLiebknecht Sunday, August 3rd at 2:52PM EST (link)

You’re proving my original point in this post. That, instead of being the party of ideas and making ads about actual issues, the Republicans have devolved into a grotesque display of name-calling, slander and mudslinging.

Yeah, but he thinks there's 57 states! N/T

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:55PM EST (link)

n/t

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

Not uncomfortable

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 2:58PM EST (link)

Yes, but my candidate knows they are 50 states not 57 or was it 58? My candidate also knows the difference between memorial day and veterans days. Since Barack sees dead people in the audience at memorial day celebrations. I don’t know if M.Knight Shamalan wrote his set piece for him, but he sure was seeing dead people that day.

OK it's time for some clean-up

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 2:58PM EST (link)

n/t

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

"BREECHES"?!!

Pentagon16 (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:00PM EST (link)

What, so now your Obamessiah is an equestrian horse rider?!!

As long as you are playing the race card like your lord and savior- at least realize it is “too big for his BRITCHES”!

My how the leftists have fallen-you can’t even type decent racial smears anymore!!

“Small town folks get bitter after which they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren’t like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment”- Barack Carter Obama

Ignorant Candidate

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 3:01PM EST (link)

We can play this game all day and we will win. What is Barack’s excuse for not knowing these things that my 4 year old knows? But I forgot these are the type of serious issues you want to disucss

You are obviously an ageist

Bill S (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:01PM EST (link)

After that comment and your crack about needing someone younger, you are obviously a hate-mongering ageist. It’s obvious that this campaign is all about McCain’s age, and hateful ageists like you are bringing down this country.

It’s time that McCain played the age card and bring to light the repulsive ageists like yourself.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

One of your favorite Blog huh

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 3:06PM EST (link)

IF this is one of your favorite blogs how come your profiles says you only registered 12 hours ago. I think have been busted in a lie Karl

tough noogies for her

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:06PM EST (link)

If she did not want her daughter held up in public as an iconic example of vapidity and shallowness, maybe she should have a different daughter.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

Ah, a dog-whistler. Sorry, KarlLiebknecht, but we don't let racists post here.

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:09PM EST (link)

Ladies and gentlemen: next time, email us.

One of your favorite blogs huh

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 3:10PM EST (link)

Hey Karl, if this is one of your favorite blogs how come your profile says you only registered 12 hours ago. Not only are you wrong on the issue you are a liar too.

BWHAHAHAHAHAH

Darin_H (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:11PM EST (link)

First, I didn’t call you any names, I said, “By all means, continue looking like a fool.” Note, I didn’t call you a fool, I said you were looking like a fool. Second, I asked it you were a liar because your statements don’t match up with reality (really good sign that you’re from the “reality-based community). Now I know you don’t believe what you wrote because plenty of people tried to engage you on substance (particularly Adam C) and you ignore them to reply to me. Thus, I’m just here to point and laugh at you.

I called you out, I was right and you can’t say a thing about it except “ow, ow, stop it, that hurts.”

Again, HAHAHAHAHA

A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls

Karl, Where's Karl

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 3:16PM EST (link)

Karl are you still there? Or did you run and hide when the heat got turned up?

Not surprising

blooch Sunday, August 3rd at 3:17PM EST (link)

We’ve had a Rosa Luxemburg troll here before, and waaay back on 1.0, we had a Skorzeny(Otto) moby. Those are just two that I remember off the top of my head. It’s a favorite conceit of theirs to think they’re going over our heads with obscure Fascist and Commie names, when in reality it just puts a bulls-eye on their Che berets.

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

Name Calling

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 3:18PM EST (link)

So calling McCain is not name calling. But proving you are a liar is. Must be nice to live in a world where you make your own rules.

Well, when he crawls back under his socialist rock

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:21PM EST (link)

I’m sure he will be telling all his homeys how badly he beat us. That is the fun things about the trolls, they don’t know when they’ve lost. Makes the day after election day all that much sweeter.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

aw Moe

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:23PM EST (link)

You took our toy away pout

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Karl

churchkl Sunday, August 3rd at 3:24PM EST (link)

I think we lost Karl. So funny

I think they don't realize

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:28PM EST (link)

Most of us have read Liberal Facism. But you are right, there is always that sour smell of elitism that permeates the air when they show up to “teach us a lesson”.

It was amusing while it lasted though.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Sorry, but they get tiresome.

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:28PM EST (link)

Besides, he was only doing that so that you wouldn’t be writing on, say, FL-23. :)

hah thats great....

Attack Mode (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:30PM EST (link)

Karl Liebknechtwas a German socialist and a co-founder of the Spartacist League and the Communist Party of Germany

Conservative Communist?????

“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!

Steel-Belted Radial Right Winger

“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.

Moe, while you've got the blamstick out

blooch Sunday, August 3rd at 3:34PM EST (link)

please take 2slmbgs out of his misery. He’s got the caps lock on, and he’s overdue for his hourly missive by about 20 minutes. Notice him, please:)

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

I know he is gone now

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:35PM EST (link)

But I love pointing out how he ignored the second bolded statement, then declared a pyrric victory. The point of contention was whether Gergen is a Republican, not a conservative. Working in the Clinton administration tends to prove the point.

But on the first point, when your wife gives the max to Obama and you refuse to state your preference, it doesn’t take a genius to apply Occam’s Razor.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Moe, while you've got the blamstick out

blooch Sunday, August 3rd at 3:36PM EST (link)

please take 2slmbgs out of his misery. He’s got the caps lock on, and he’s overdue for his hourly missive by about 20 minutes. Notice him, please:)

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

Yeah, I need to get off my butt

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:37PM EST (link)

I promised I’d look into those South Florida races. Should have some time this week, I hope.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

Moe, while you've got the blamstick out

blooch Sunday, August 3rd at 3:37PM EST (link)

please take 2slmbgs out of his misery. He’s got the caps lock on, and he’s overdue for his hourly missive by about 20 minutes. Notice him, please:)

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

I'm still trying to figure that one out.

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:38PM EST (link)

Moe, I did my part this weekend.

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:40PM EST (link)

Two posts on CO-4, one on CO-6, and one on the DNC Convention.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Sorry about the triple blast

blooch Sunday, August 3rd at 3:44PM EST (link)

I didn’t mean to canvey a sense of urgency…got it under control now;)

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

I was teasing. :)

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:47PM EST (link)

Although that reminds me of a post I need to write.

Actually, it was in response to a challenge from Erick

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 3:52PM EST (link)

Here.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Good job, Karl! You've pieced together all the clues and found out the truth!

Nick Haynes (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 4:08PM EST (link)

That all of us here are closet racists! It’s amazing that, without talking to us or even knowing us, you’re able to ascertain that. Your mind is incredibly gifted.

Or maybe, just maybe, you’ve strolled across a party that looks beyond race – a party that is, unlike the Messiah, truly post-racial. You see, we openly admit that there are wrongs in America’s past, but her greatness is in the ability to adapt, change and correct her wrongs. We believe in the greatness of the individual, not the state, which is why we believe that any American, regardless of their situation at birth, is able to overcome and achieve greatness in their lives. Your party sees limits where there are none. Your party believes success is determined by government. We believe success is determined by how hard you are willing to work to achieve it.

Are there some in the party that use it as a cover for their racist tendencies? Of course – same as there are some in the Democrat party that use it for their racist or socialist tendencies. If, however, you want to actually learn something rather than recite talking points and see racist conspiracies in the world that exists only in your mind, I suggest you read a little Frederick Douglass – a black man who truly lived through times of injustice and bigotry.

If you’re not networking, you’re not helping.

Good job, Karl! You've pieced together all the clues and found out the truth!

Nick Haynes (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 4:08PM EST (link)

That all of us here are closet racists! It’s amazing that, without talking to us or even knowing us, you’re able to ascertain that. Your mind is incredibly gifted.

Or maybe, just maybe, you’ve strolled across a party that looks beyond race – a party that is, unlike the Messiah, truly post-racial. You see, we openly admit that there are wrongs in America’s past, but her greatness is in the ability to adapt, change and correct her wrongs. We believe in the greatness of the individual, not the state, which is why we believe that any American, regardless of their situation at birth, is able to overcome and achieve greatness in their lives. Your party sees limits where there are none. Your party believes success is determined by government. We believe success is determined by how hard you are willing to work to achieve it.

Are there some in the party that use it as a cover for their racist tendencies? Of course – same as there are some in the Democrat party that use it for their racist or socialist tendencies. If, however, you want to actually learn something rather than recite talking points and see racist conspiracies in the world that exists only in your mind, I suggest you read a little Frederick Douglass – a black man who truly lived through times of injustice and bigotry.

If you’re not networking, you’re not helping.

I wouldn't say he's afraid

pointguard7 Sunday, August 3rd at 4:19PM EST (link)

I think Obama is showing good judgement by refusing to have extra debates with McCain. History shows that the candidate who is ahead in the polls shouldn’t agree to more debates. I do agree that it looks cowardly, but I think it’s highly unlikely that he’s afraid.

Oh, and pulling a Kowalski.....

Susannah (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 4:21PM EST (link)

I was responding to Karl’s previous comments about McCain’s supposedly “dirty campaign”, but it looks like Moe took care of him.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

There's an awful lot of protectionism-

Kate_Shanahan (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 4:23PM EST (link)

here. A number of you have accused me of being a progressive. Some of you remind me o gang members intimidating the neighborhood.

Is it possible to not be so quick on the trigger to blamstick someone just because their ideas differ from one or two of the blamstickers here?

I mean, can’t we all just get along. (jk)

What is the meaning of “Be Respectful, or be banned.” Does it only apply to a certain few?

Kate

“It is the American vice, the democratic disease which expresses its tyranny by reducing everything unique to the level of the herd.” Henry Miller

Nah, he's afraid. Smart of him to be afraid, of course.

Moe Lane (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 4:25PM EST (link)

Stumbling there would utterly destroy Obama’s image.

Of course, so does running from a fight – but we have months to bring that up.

You missed the point.

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 4:27PM EST (link)

Obama already agreed to those debates with his “anytime, anywhere” statement.

The fact that he CHANGED his mind surprises no one, but he does HOPE that nobody notices.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

He can stumble while running from a fight

blooch Sunday, August 3rd at 4:37PM EST (link)

if he’s looking over his shoulder…but then again, we’re talking about a guy who never has any doubts.

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

Go Beavers

chemjeff (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 4:57PM EST (link)

Too bad you are in Corvallis. The pot’s better in Eugene.

You used Gergen to bolster your point

E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Sunday, August 3rd at 4:59PM EST (link)

I pointed out, ever so humbly, that ‘and Gergen agrees with me’ means nothing. Meaning that your facts better stand for themselves, because calling David Gergen as an authority gives you no help.

That is from someone who knows how to argue. Authority is foundational.

Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO

 
 
 
 
 
 

Were Jeremiah Wright's comments racist?

wolfgang Sunday, August 3rd at 7:10PM EST (link)

“Let it be known that the day I am elected will be the day the oceans stopped rising and the planet began to heal.”

“I’m the one that you have been waiting for…”

We will know what we are in for when he makes his Rose Garden appearance in full Islamic beard with prayer callous on his forehead and demands that we all fall to our knees and worship him.

5+ Well said Nick.

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Monday, August 4th at 8:10AM EST (link)

I’ve found what you say to be true. The Democrats always accuse us of being racist, but race is not normally a subject of conversation except when talking about how to counter the false racism charges from the left. I meant what I said about his projecting his own racism on the motivations of others. Just as a thief is quickest to accuse others of stealing, people who’s primary consideration is race are quickest to charge others with racism.

When you judge people by the content of their character as individuals, you are less likely to be racist. Big government programs by definition discount the worth of the individual and treat people only by their worth as groups. Conservatives (and by current affiliation the Republican party) treat people as individuals and to us skin color is a descriptive characteristic to be used as you would use hair or eye color, not as determination of worth. To bad the other party still uses skin color as a primary means of determining worth.

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You read Milton Friedman, Karl?

Brian Hibbert (Diary) Monday, August 4th at 8:20AM EST (link)

I find it difficult to believe that you could be an avid reader of Friedman and still find progressive policies appealing. Or perhaps you missed his explanation that he uses the term “Liberal” in its traditional meaning rather than a label that the Progressives co-opted.

Or perhaps you just need to reread some of his writing….

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