As a Christian, I was at once stunned and embarrassed that Barack Obama said “We are God’s partners in life and death.” As an American, I was and remain outraged.
It is an improper and unacceptable breach of the separation of Church and State* for the President to advise the clergy on spiritual matters. Irrespective of the content of that advice, it was improper and outrageous for him to give it.
But the content of the message is equally enraging.
I don’t normally use Biblical references in blogging. The people I wish to convince don’t typically accept the Bible as authoritative, so I use other arguments. In a spiritual discussion, however, spiritual authority is proper. Mr. Obama invoked God, so he deserves to hear what God says.
The phrase “God’s partners” has a certain trite appeal, an appeal on which the President was no doubt counting to allow his message to achieve acceptance. In fact, we are God’s partners, in the sense that He is our friend and companion on life’s journey. And yet, the phrase tiptoes up to a spiritually dangerous line, for to claim partnership is to claim equality, and that is sin.
The serpentine Satan used the lure of equality with God; to tempt Adam and Eve into sin:
[1] Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden’?” [2] The woman said to the serpent, “We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, [3] but God did say, ‘You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.’” [4] “You will not surely die,” the serpent said to the woman. [5] “For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
“God’s partners”, is it?
It is a particular sin for political leaders to claim spiritual authority. As the Bible’s second book of the Chronicles of the Kings of Israel and Judah (2 Chr 26, NIV) says:
[16] But after Uzziah became powerful, his pride led to his downfall. He was unfaithful to the LORD his God, and entered the temple of the LORD to burn incense on the altar of incense. [17] Azariah the priest with eighty other courageous priests of the LORD followed him in. [18] They confronted him and said, “It is not right for you, Uzziah, to burn incense to the LORD. That is for the priests, the descendants of Aaron, who have been consecrated to burn incense. Leave the sanctuary, for you have been unfaithful; and you will not be honored by the LORD God.”
Was he pontificating, or merely recognizing some fact we all know to be true? If the latter, I trust he will reveal which fact we all know to be true he was recognizing.
So who is this “we” of whom he speaks? Surely it is not a royal “we”, for he retains some modicum of self-awareness.
The construction of the sentence leaves doubt as to whether he meant that we each individually judge matters of life and death, or some larger group to which he belongs collectively makes such decisions. It is clear from what context we have, however, that he meant something different than an individual decision
As an Illinois State Senator, Barack Obama argued against a law requiring a second doctor be called to provide care to a child born alive after an attempted abortion. Obama argued that this would only make it harder for a woman to choose abortions, saying it was “…really designed simply to burden the original decision of the woman and the decision to induce labor and perform an abortion.”
Liberals frequently conflate society and government. Society — the general public, with the informal consensus among media and people talking over coffee at the diner — has a certain force of opinion, a kind of peer pressure it can exert. Liberals also tend to believe that society has more wisdom than the individual. Government has the force of law and arms on its side, and is a wholly different and frequently not subservient creature. When, as in the case of Medicare patients, the government allows or denies funding for medical treatment, the government holds tremendous power.
On June 24 of this year at a town hall meeting, Mr. Obama said (in context):
And all we’re suggesting — and we’re not going to solve every difficult problem in terms of end-of-life care. A lot of that is going to have to be, we as a culture and as a society starting to make better decisions within our own families and for ourselves. But what we can do is make sure that at least some of the waste that exists in the system that’s not making anybody’s mom better, that is loading up on additional tests or additional drugs that the evidence shows is not necessarily going to improve care, that at least we can let doctors know and your mom know that, you know what? Maybe this isn’t going to help. Maybe you’re better off not having the surgery, but taking the painkiller. And those kinds of decisions between doctors and patients, and making sure that our incentives are not preventing those good decision, and that — that doctors and hospitals all are aligned for patient care, that’s something we can achieve.
He’s trying mightily to cast his position as all of this being between a doctor and a patient, but if so, what is the need to change anything? That’s the way it already is. And why the talk of our culture and society?
People already know when it’s their time. They refuse treatment, or they don’t. They refuse to eat or drink. People get tired of living, of hurting, of breathing. They curl up, take their ball, and go home. Their organs shut down, and they die — as they always have, and always will.
It is clear from the foregoing that Mr. Obama was talking about government making better decisions with end of life care, as well as beginning of life care, when he spoke of the alleged partnership between ourselves and God. In trying to implement such a plan, there can be no result than a death panel, a group (whether elected, appointed, or adjudicated) who meet to decide these questions. The formation of such a group is an inevitable result of believing oneself to be partners with the Almighty, and that society makes better decisions than individuals, without recognizing a fundamental difference between society and the State.
His words are heretical, bone-chilling horror, and he must retract them.
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Very good points all around, Socrates.
janis (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 1:38PM EST (link)Obama uses God whenever he wants to sound unimpeachably right. It never works, though, because he sounds so hypocritically wrong. Leftys never manage to get the tone or tenor correct when they try to invoke religion as their reason for doing ANYTHING! We are already too well aware of their real feelings about God and Christianity.
As for Obama retracting one single word, that’s as likely to happen as Muslims throwing a pork barbecue to celebrate Ramadan. The man literally is convinced that he can do no wrong. He has no problem with claiming that he is God’s partner as he believes himself to be a greater deity than God anyway– or at least he believes himself to actually exist as a deity, while I think he doesn’t believe in God at all. Most Marxists don’t.
Kowalski--
janis (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 1:43PM EST (link)And everytime I hear someone like Obama invoke God to support his own agenda, using Him to give credence to tyranny and evil, I always think about what a shock it’s going to be to that person when they die and have to explain why they did what they did. If there are such things as flies in the afterlife, I’d like to be one just long enough to catch the look of horror on Obama’s face when he is confronted with his own actions and realizes that he really WASN’T the messiah he made himself out to be.
And, yeah, I’m pretty sure that if there are flies in the afterlife, they’re not going to be in the Heaven side of it.
No doubt janis!
nessa (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 2:16PM EST (link)I was amazed when the left came out with their “Pilate was a governor, Jusus was a community organizer” tripe. How can the people who eat, sleep and breathe the ACLU, fight against the ten commandments displayed in public buildings, support the removal of or denigration of nativity scenes during “the Holidays” even utter the Lord’s name? Yet they use religion and that name shamelessly, anytime they believe it will help in any degree.
But, the whole Jesus was a community organizer thing, I wonder what miracles Obambi performed in Chicago? Community Organizers, the pharisees and money changers of today.
“…and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting. And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables. And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.”
We are weaving a scourge right now, in 15 months we’ll put it to good use.
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I missed this comment, Nessa.
Loren Heal (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 5:45AM EST (link)But this part struck me:
They do it the same way Barack Heretic Obama does: with utter cynicism and disregard for the own souls.
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Socrates, I guess my question should have been...
nessa (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 8:00AM EST (link)Why do the American People let them get away with it? Where was the outrage, who at a townhall meeting asked, WTF do you know about moral and ethical anything? You voted against providing medical assistance to baby’s accidentally born alive after a botched abortion! Sure talk radio will do it, I heard it mentioned on Fox News but too many of the American people allow this crap. We let nancy get away with lying about the CIA, we let dems get away with lying every time their lips move. To let BO get away with this pitiful attempt to latch onto Religion’s coattails is just another example.
i guess I’m just wishing for a little old fashioned fire and brimstone, or maybe a pillar of salt…
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Not "disregard for the(ir) own souls" - - ignorance
Lammo (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 2:16PM EST (link)You can’t disregard something you don’t know anything about and/or don’t believe in.
Don’t be so open minded that your brains fall out. (John Corapi, The Black Sheep Dog)
Lefties can be Christians.
Loren Heal (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 1:59PM EST (link)And vice versa. But there is a certain point past which the leftist agenda ceases to be Christian. When they see the plain words of the Bible as unimportant, or declare that certain parts don’t count, it takes them to someplace very wrong.
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I agree with you. But right off hand, I can't think
janis (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 2:11PM EST (link)of a true lefty that I could also characterize as a true Christian. “Leaning toward Christianity” is about as close as I could get.
To be blunt, we are not God's partners, but His servants.
Cheetah772 (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 2:08PM EST (link)Actually….God does have partners, it’s something called Trinity; God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son of God, and the Holy Spirit, they all work together to manifest God’s glory and holiness everywhere in Heaven and on the Earth as well.
However, for us human beings, we are not God’s partners, but rather that we are His servants, carrying out His commandments and practicing righteousness in our daily Christian lives. I can tell you right now that it’s not our decision to end any person’s life (unless that person is brain dead and cannot function apart from life support), it’s all in His hands. The violation of this highest order means we reduce the priceless soul of a person to some numbers on a piece of paper, and I think it’s something that displeases God greatly.
Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.
I wish I'd said that.
Loren Heal (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 2:21PM EST (link)Both paragrapsh.
Amen.
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Not drunk, really.
Loren Heal (Diary) Sunday, August 23rd at 2:24PM EST (link)Just a little tipshy.
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not servants. children
Beaglescout (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 1:47PM EST (link)We are God’s children. He loves us like children. It is up to us to honor and love him as children should love their parents.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
You are aware, I hope, of a couple things?
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 4:55PM EST (link)1)That the making of unqualified propositional declarations about God places a burden on the one making the declaration that the propositions are actually, you know, proposed somewhere, in context and with perspicuity?
2) That the entry point into the world of your first two propositions, as they are now largely held by our culture, was in several currents of the 19th century which came to full flower as theological liberalism, the very roots from which social/political liberalism continues to draw its distortions of truth.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
Grace and Charity, friend.
Loren Heal (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 7:32PM EST (link)1) Given that in this forum (and not just with respect to God) the making of any any sort of unqualified declaration carries the burden of substantiation, I don’t see the point in your statement. So you’ll have to be a bit more specific as to the challenge you’re making.
2) Good point, and also unfair. The child/parent model is a useful, if inexact, tool for understanding our relationship to God. It is obviously insufficient for a complete understanding, which we will all go to our graves without.
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Point 1 clarification
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 8:08PM EST (link)The poster wrote 3 sentences, each with a reference to God. While I would find little fault with the third sentence, the challenge is to substantiate the first two which, while nearly universally assumed in the late- and post-modern West–originally by theological liberals but now to unprecedented degrees by those formerly calling themselves theological conservatives as well–have no coherent support in light of the totality of the Scriptures.
As for grace and charity, if my assumption that your use of those term implies their absence in my post, I am quite open to the possibility–it happens continually. At the same time, however, as someone once said,
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
It isn't hard to find support for Christians as children of God
Beaglescout (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 10:59PM EST (link)From the New American Bible (KJV is just as clear), 1 John 3
1 See what love the Father has bestowed on us that we may be called the children of God. Yet so we are. The reason the world does not know us is that it did not know him.
2 Beloved, we are God’s children now; what we shall be has not yet been revealed. We do know that when it is revealed we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is.
There is plenty more in this chapter. This echoes ideas from the gospel John.
John 3
1 Now there was a Pharisee named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews.
2 He came to Jesus at night and said to him, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God, for no one can do these signs that you are doing unless God is with him.”
3 Jesus answered and said to him, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can see the kingdom of God without being born from above.”
4 Nicodemus said to him, “How can a person once grown old be born again? Surely he cannot reenter his mother’s womb and be born again, can he?”
5 Jesus answered, “Amen, amen, I say to you, no one can enter the kingdom of God without being born of water and Spirit.
6 What is born of flesh is flesh and what is born of spirit is spirit.
7 Do not be amazed that I told you, ‘You must be born from above.’
No one can enter the kingdom of God without being born again, born from above, born of water and spirit exactly as the world was born of water and spirit (i.e. the waters and God). This makes it pretty clear to me that John, or the Johannine school, believed that Christians are children of God.
John, or his school, isn’t the only NT author who uses such language. Luke 3 v. 23-38 traces the genealogy of Jesus on Joseph’s side back through David to “Adam, the son of God.” As all humans are descended from Adam, and he was the son of God, so we are God’s children just as the Israelites are Israel’s children and the Judeans the children of Judah.
Matthew 6 9-13
The Lord’s Prayer. Our Father in heaven, anybody?
Matthew 6, 26
26 Look at the birds in the sky; they do not sow or reap, they gather nothing into barns, yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are not you more important than they?
Matthew 3, the Baptism of Jesus
Note how after Jesus is baptized, then the Spirit of God comes down from heaven like a dove and the voice comes from the heavens saying, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased.” After he was baptized Jesus became the Son of God.
And so it is with Christians when we are baptized. Through the action of the Holy Spirit we are reborn in the spirit and become the children of God. This is the same teaching as John’s.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
That's right, and you have done the work
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 12:07AM EST (link)to dig up some of the key passages involved.
My challenge remains, however, because of the unresolved logical inconsistency you introduced. Let me clarify.
1) Socrates introduced “we” in OP title “We Are Not God’s Partners” and, by lack of qualification, intimated that the term included “all people”. Although I reject his contextualization of the sense in which “we are God’s partners”, I did not pursue that line, since his argument was refuted by
2) Cheetah772, who qualifies “we” with his “as for us human beings, we are not God’s partners, but rather … His servants”. You then refuted Cheetah772′s argument with your
3) “not servants, children” in which you stated explicitly “We are God’s children.”
The trouble here is equivocation of the term “we”. In (1) and (2) “we” was clearly being used universally. My challenge for you was to root out the lack of justification for that sense in your proposition. While you have shown, as I fully agree, that the Scriptures portray those in the covenant community as God’s children, the opposite is true as well: those who are unreconciled to God through faith in the work of Christ are nowhere recognized in Scripture as God’s children, but rather his enemies.
In summary–and I will make no further theological arguments here, the logical lines hopefully being more clearly drawn now–it would have been better to either state”Christians are children of God”–although that would not have followed the logic in the thread–or to refrain from making an apparently universal statement with no Scriptural grounding.
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
All men are children of Adam
Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 12:22AM EST (link)All men are children of Adam. All women are children of Eve. In that sense all humanity are children of God. Further, God’s universal love for us, even when we are at our worst, is a demonstration of His relation to us.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
No more theology from me, as I said, but
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 12:40AM EST (link)a clarification from you about one last logical point might help me know how to interpret your statements in the future:
If in your own terms “all humanity are children of God”, and Christians “become the children of God”, I really see only see 2 logical resolutions:
1) Christians are not really part of humanity prior to becoming children of God, at which point they enter that category as well; or
2) All humanity are Christians.
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Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
#3
Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 1:06AM EST (link)Through Adam, all humans are the children of God in the flesh, created in God’s image.
Through the intercession of Christ, all Christians are spiritually the children of God, reborn in God’s spirit.
With reference to the tripartite nature of man (body, mind, spirit), I’d entertain the idea that all humans are also the children of God in the mind, created with intellect and free will in the image of God.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
All references to us being God's children are to some degree figurative
civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 2:19AM EST (link)Since the God of the Bible does not create children after the flesh, unlike the myths concerning pagan gods (such as Zeus).
Rather, the Bible uses multiple metaphors relating to family which are not entirely consistent with each other (nor need to be, since they are metaphors).
Some examples:
We have the teaching that we are slaves to sin and by the saving grace of God Christians are adopted into God’s family.
On the other hand, in I Cor 17:28-29, Paul argues that all people in the world are God’s offspring.
In Hebrews 2:11 Jesus is idenitified as brother to believers (“The one who makes men holy and those who are made holy are of the same family. So Jesus is not ashamed to call them brothers”.) But in verse 16-17 Abraham’s descendents are idenitifed as brothers to Christs.
Elsewhere, Christians are part of the Church, and the Church is the bride of Christ- but obviously the Bible is not viewing this as incest between sibilings, but rather using a different metaphor to explain our relationship with Chirst.
My purpose with this miminal dipping into the richness of Scriptural family language is not to attack the truth of the Bible on the basis of inconsistency, but rather to caution against overgeneralizing a particular metaphor as universally denotative.
Thus your syllogism here breaks down because the “God’s children” is being used in different metaphors by you and by LJ Miller, for instance – you’re emphasing the special relationship Christians have with God whereas LJ is emphasizing our common humanity and common creaturehood vis a vis the Father. Both are true so far as they go, so long as they remain within their proper boundaries.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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Which makes contextual qualification essential!
CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 3:15PM EST (link)While I would love to give a point-by-point (mostly in agreement, some in disagreement) of your case, as I said above this is not the appropriate venue, once we know where each other stands.
This site being for the advancement of a set of shared values and all.
My point for this apparent diversion from the OP is that in a mixed culture, ANYONE’S usage of “we’ must be both qualified and non-subjectively substantiated. Although I am opposed to at least one of Socrates’ assumptions, I am in full agreement with his calling out the President for his public, unqualified combining of the terms “we” and “God”.
But there’s gooses and ganders here. Cheetah772 and LJ Miller then both proceeded with their own “we”+”God” propositions; the former (we=servants) happens to apply Biblically to humanity at large, so there was little need to qualify whether he actually meant humanity or some subset thereof, and his substantiation was direct and sufficiently well-exegeted to clarify his point.
LJ’s followup (we=children), however, initially lacked any qualifications and/or exegesis. When those were called for and finally provided, it was shown that Biblically and logically the proposition simply cannot apply both to all humanity and Christians in anything approaching the same sense, if at all. Therefore the statement is one of those which must always be qualified if used at all. Now that I have heard an explanation of the statement, I no more agree with it, but at least I now know where the author stands.
Bottom line? Be consistent with what you’re rightly calling the President out on. If you are going to criticize him for making a universal doctrinal statement about God and humanity with neither qualification nor authoritative exegesis, great, but then please refrain from making the same error.
(And as I mentioned in my first, on the “children” issue, please do a little research on the history of interpretation, focussing on the wholesale redefinitions that occurred in formerly orthodox Christianity with deep Reformational roots between, say 1830 and 1920 (in America, earlier in Europe), noticing who sponsored that interpretation, and seeing who their descendants are today.)
Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)
soli Deo gloria
Obama was speaking as if he were Christian or Jewish I suppose
Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 12:55AM EST (link)So my reaction was as if he were speaking to and for Christians. Given that most of my references are to the Gospels, I’m not sure that Jews have the same understanding. However, they do trace their genealogy back to Adam, who was the son of God. From Genesis 5, the Generations from Adam to Noah, note the parallels.
When God created man, He made him in the likeness of God; He created them male and female. When they were created, He blessed them and named them “man.”
Adam was one hundred and thirty years old when he begot a son in his likeness, after his image; and he named him Seth. Adam lived eight hundred years after the birth of Seth, and he had other sons and daughters.
Adams children were clearly his children. He begot them in his likeness, and named them.
That was what God did too. He created male and female, Adam and Eve, in His likeness and named them “man.”
That’s pretty strong.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
The part that got me
Karina (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 7:23AM EST (link)was “life”. The people of the “we” will chose who lives or gets life. With his long record as a proponent for abortion, Obama has made it very clear that not everyone will even have a chance to draw their first breath.
Early progressives were very active pushing eugenics which led to Planned Parenthood and we’ve seen how well that has worked. The PP founder was a very staunch leader in the movement. Many of them wanted to get rid of the undesirables such as the blacks (which is why they started in mostly poor black neighborhoods), those with physical defects, or mental problems in order to make their own perfected country. These elites wanted to sourge all society of all but those they deemed good for that society as a whole. BTW, Groebbels used our progressive model in Germany.
Horrific, indeed.
The Nazis loved eugenics.
Loren Heal (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 8:23AM EST (link)The Jews with their oddly shaped skulls and such, or so they said. The whole thing was so much crap, but for a decade a lot of people, including many American liberals, bought into it.
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Superbly stated, Socrates
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 1:02PM EST (link)This is a fundamental that most Christians instinctively understand. It is telling, and ominous, that Barack is so easily, so casually willing to ascribe to himself a position of partnership with God.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
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Yes. It's Christianity 101.
Loren Heal (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 7:35PM EST (link)The nature of sin, its origin and the need for redemption, is (or ought to be) the first lesson taught. In fact, before one can put faith in Christ for redemption at all, there must be an understanding of sin on some level, and the Genesis story has to figure in, if only as an allegory.
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Less than a year between "above my paygrade" and "partner with God"....
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 1:18PM EST (link)This guy is an absolute lying hypocrite.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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That explains the trillions of debt $$.
blooch Monday, August 24th at 1:29PM EST (link)He’s trying to buy out his partner and be a sole proprietor by next Spring.
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
Wee-weed up reply to Aaron Gardner (nt)
blooch Monday, August 24th at 1:31PM EST (link)“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
I don't think God is selling...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 1:35PM EST (link)although I here there are some who believe Pres Obama is interested in a hostile take over. ;^)
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 1:45PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Did Led Zeppelin write a song about Obama?
Beaglescout (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 11:05PM EST (link)There’s a Marxist who’s sure all that glitters is gold,
And he’s buying the stairway to Heaven.
with America’s credit card.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
I don't have a recommend button
RoguePolitics (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 1:40PM EST (link)I would if I could.
“So much of left-wing thought is a kind of playing with fire by people who don’t even know that fire is hot.” George Orwell
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When the American spirit was in its youth, the language of America was different: Liberty, sir, was the primary object. Patrick Henry
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Because the Republican Party is NOT going to fix the Republican Party.
http://americanamendment.com/
Because Washington is NOT going to fix Washington.
Allow me to Quote
Ausonius (Diary) Monday, August 24th at 1:52PM EST (link)myself from last Thursday from a related topic about this statement about being God’s partners:
“We know that somebody wrote that line for NObama.
We know that NObama is not really religious, neither of the Islamic nor Christian faiths, given the hate-mongering “church” he supposedly attended in Chicago, and given his failure to appear most of the time at his supposed church in D.C.
We know that elite Dems are atheistic and have contempt for religion, so the line makes perfect sense: a White House speech-writer from the anti-religion snob Dem elite produces a line which NObama thinks is just fine.
NObama, our new American Attila, intent on wrecking what is left of America, wants to deliver Death to his own country: economically, politically, and now physically through his Death Care Plan, with its surreptitious funding of abortions on demand, crypto-euthanasia for the elderly, and rationing of health care for the general public, which obviously creates more people who are sick chronically and will suffer longer.
See the Wall Street Journal’s August 18th article on the NObama administration’s resurrection of quasi-Death Panels for Veterans in VA hospitals: these arose under Clinton, but were shelved under W. Bush.
See:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204683204574358590107981718.html
Our 21st Century Attila apparently sees himself as God’s Grim Reaper for America, punishing a country that has gone astray from left-wing orthodoxy.”
Ausonius: 310-395 A.D. Teacher, Poet, Consul, General, Farmer.
Personal Tutor to the future St. Paulinus of Nola and to young Gratian, heir to the throne during the turbulent final years of the Western Roman Empire. When his former student Gratian was assassinated, Ausonius threw up his hands and retired to his farm in Gaul. Rome was captured by barbarians 14 years after his death.
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All This Time I Thought Obama Thought He Was God...
clowngirl (Diary) Tuesday, August 25th at 1:19AM EST (link)Nah – he just think he’s God’s partner.
wow. (Shaking head, momentarily speechless)
wow.
Yeah, “partner” definitely has a much different connotation than “servant”
Very chilling, creepy stuff.
If you are the equal of God – that would kinda suggest you can make up your own morality, wouldn’t it?
Thanks for the post Socrates.
Well, even if your only a 1% partner with God,
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 3:46PM EST (link)you’d still have access to 1% of his infinite power, wisdom, and foresight. And working with infinities being what it is, how would mere mortals (like the people voting in elections) know the difference? So there’s really no contradiction in The Big 0 holding both positions.
And yes, I still loathe all the people who couldn’t see how completely creepy and scary voting for him was. Because all of this was there to see or hear for those who had eyes or ears for it. But not nearly as much as those who sold us the bill of goods.
So, to sum up:
OccamsRazor (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 2:01AM EST (link)BO is a human who was born from an atheist and a Muslim, raised by _non practicing_ Christians, sat in a hate filled church for 20 years, ends up agreeing with ~70% of the country theologically _while running for one office or another_ and currently considers himself God’s superior. Questions?
Self Correction:
OccamsRazor (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 2:04AM EST (link)~70% = ~76%
Ciao.
Bravo! Well said (nt)
Karina (Diary) Wednesday, August 26th at 2:22AM EST (link)