UN Staffers in Afghanistan Killed Due To Barbarism, Not A Burned Koran


On Friday, as many as 20 United Nations staffers were killed in Afghanistan. Reuters reported it this way (emphasis added):

(Reuters) – Afghan protesters angered by the burning of a Koran by an obscure U.S. pastor killed up to 20 U.N. staff, beheading two foreigners, when they over-ran a compound in a normally peaceful northern city on Friday in the worst ever attack on the U.N. in Afghanistan.

Note the bolded part. ABC News reported it like this:

U.N. Staffers Killed in Afghanistan Over Terry Jones Koran Burning, Police Say

At least eleven people were killed, including some United Nations officials, today in Afghanistan, apparently in response to Florida pastor Terry Jones burning the Koran last month, Afghan police and U.N. officials said.

Police told ABC News the protest started peacefully but took a violent turn after a radical leader told those gathered that multiple Korans had been burned. In a fury, the people marched on the nearby U.N. compound despite police firing AK-47s into the air in hopes of subduing them.

You see, it is not the fault of the barbarians who murdered 20 innocent people, beheading two of them. It’s the fault of some unknown hick pastor – because he burned a book. President Obama himself furthered this odious meme with his own statement:

“The brave men and women of the United Nations, including the Afghan staff, undertake their work in support of the Afghan people,” Obama said. “Their work is essential to building a stronger Afghanistan for the benefit of all its citizens. We stress the importance of calm and urge all parties to reject violence and resolve differences through dialogue.”

Oh, really President Obama? They killed 20 people because of “differences” (like the burning of a Koran) that can be resolved if only people would have a nice rap session? I suppose he can now pat himself on his smug back for being such a good multicultural Citizen of the World ™. While President Obama and the media prostrate themselves at the altar of multiculturalism, what they are actually doing is proving themselves to be fools and racists.

President Obama also said the following (via Jake Tapper):

POTUS 1/3: “The desecration of any holy text, including the Koran, is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry…

POTUS 2/3: “However, to attack and kill innocent people in response is outrageous, and an affront to human decency and dignity.”

Yeah, no. To say that the reason they committed such barbaric acts was “in response” to anything is an act of bigotry as well as an affront to human decency and dignity.

Because what they believe, and what they expect us to believe, is that the killers in Afghanistan are just poor dumb “brown people” who don’t know any better. They are so simple-minded, in fact, that they can be led astray and led to commit heinous acts of murder by one unknown pastor. Never mind the fact that they behead their own people and stone women to death for the horrendous crime of baring an ankle. Or, you know, being the victim of a rape.

We philistines just don’t understand the nuance of their culture and the religion of Islam, you see.

Not only do they truly believe that they are Smarter Than You and more enlightened than we hapless rubes, but they also truly believe that they are better than all those pesky “brown people,” particularly non-westerners. To them, of course non-ivory tower dwelling, non-westerners are far less advanced and can’t be expected to act in a civilized manner. Their barbarism is excused with a figurative pat on the head, all so that the left can tout themselves as oh-so-enlightened and so that they can continue to feel that they are far superior to everyone else.

I said the following in a post about female genital mutilation several months ago and it encapsulates exactly what is happening here:

This attitude is not only bigoted, it is a great danger. It is the “soft bigotry of low expectations” taken to an unprecedented, and deadly level. The result of this line of thought is that not only are barbaric acts like FGM condoned, but terrorism is also not only tolerated, it is excused. We see this all the time in their constant excuse-making for terrorists. Excuse me, man-made disaster causers, as the Newspeak-y left would like us to call them.

This bigotry and this meta-ethical relativism is one of the largest dangers the world faces. The world must realize that apologizing for evil, violent acts is not embracing diversity. It’s not “seeing both sides” nor being culturally aware. It is embracing insanity and condoning evil.

This line of thinking, which condones such barbarism and persists in delusional moral equivalency is revolting.  It is excusing evil acts by taking away any culpability people have for their own actions. They are showing their bigotry by saying that people just don’t know any better or are willing dupes easily led, not of their own accord. This must end. This is also not a “difference to be resolved with dialogue”.

Some things are just right or wrong. Some things are just good or evil. Some evil people commit acts of barbarism because they want to. Unlike President Obama and his fellow travelers, I refuse to excuse it and I refuse to ignore that reality.

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Nut jobs on both sides

nickderinger Saturday, April 2nd at 10:44PM EST (link)

Terry Jones is a disgrace to Christianity. Oooppps! Did I say that out loud? Please show me the verses in the Bible that justify what you did.

Whacked out angry religious fanatics in Afghanistan are too often tolerated by the MSM and the American Left. Islam is a counterfeit religion that is based on violence and the sword.

Unfortunately, Terry Jones has made this about him and the real problem of radical Islam is obscured. What exactly did you hope to accomplish other than getting your jollies? Free speech? Really? Are you gong to burn some crosses next? Terry Jones just made himself Bil Maher’s favorite Christian.

Please show me the verses in the Bible that justify what you did.

Ignorance of the Bible, nickderinger

Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:05AM EST (link)

The smashing of idols – representatives of false gods – is referenced throughout the Old Testament, particularly in the Pentateuch and the Deuteronomistic History (e.g., Deut. 7:5, 27:15; Judg. 6:25-32; 2 Kings 11:18). This isn’t to excuse what Terry Jones did, or to claim he’s anything other than a “disgrace to Christianity,” but don’t go spouting off about “show me the verses!” if you don’t know them yourself.

JE

Where are the verses from the New Testament?

nickderinger Sunday, April 3rd at 7:51AM EST (link)

The Old Testament also called for the killing of disobedient children.

So by "Bible"

Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 8:40AM EST (link)

you didn’t actually mean “Bible.” Interesting.

JE

 
 

You display ignorance of Christ

nickderinger Sunday, April 3rd at 7:58AM EST (link)

I can’t judge a man’s heart I can only judge his actions and Terry Jones doesn’t act like any Christian I ever saw.

BTW I attended 2 years of Bible college at Zion Bible Institute.

Look what is says in my Bible:
“Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God.” – Matthew 5:9

Still can’t find the verses where Jesus torched a Torah. Don’t seem to be in my Bible.

Sermon on the Mount

ss396 Sunday, April 3rd at 8:31AM EST (link)

Matthew Ch 7, verses 15-20:
“Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.”

These are Jesus’ own words.

If you pay someone to sit on his butt, you can’t be surprised when he does.

 

And you display utter ignorance of the Bible

Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 8:47AM EST (link)

Perhaps you should take your ignorance and misplaced, ignorance-fueled condescension somewhere else. Neither your academic claims, not your status as a dropout, impresses me.

If you’d paid attention in even one of those classes you claim to have taken, you’d know Jesus probably wouldn’t have burned a Torah given that it’s a part of our own Bible. But hey, if you want to don shades, swing your white cane around, and demand the world follow you, I can’t stop you. I can, however, stop you from peddling your utterly ridiculous, ignorant, uneducated tripe here.

JE

 

So are you stating that in order to be "peacemakers", Christians

lineholder (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 11:16AM EST (link)

should by their actions condone the kind of violence and abuse that takes place amongst Muslims?

Jesus stood up for what is morally right in the face of the Pharisees many times over. Does that mean He wasn’t a “peacemaker”?

Are you sure this verse isn’t being used on the part of some Christians because (1) it satisfies their own vanity to think of themselves as being “peacemakers”? (2) because they are lacking in the courage to stand up for what is morally right?

This isn’t the kind of situation that can be judged merely on the basis of how things seem to be on the surface of the situation. Neither would it be wise to be deceived into taking on an attitude that is equal to an ostrich hiding from the reality of what is going on around them burying its head in the sand.

You're responding to a ghost

Jeff Emanuel (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 11:21AM EST (link)

JE

Jeff, I realized that after the fact, but glad to here it.

lineholder (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 11:33AM EST (link)

I’ve seen too many Christians get hit with a false sense of guilt on the basis of this one verse that gets played totally out of context. They back down when they should stand up for what is morally right, and then offer sop to their conscience about being a “peacemaker”.

It just hits a “hot spot” for me, I guess, that so many Christians buy into this line of logic and reason.

 
 

lineholder, what I find just as sad

Melody Warbington (rwm52) (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 2:00PM EST (link)

is that “Christians” won’t even stand against the evil within our own country (abortion, thievery, etc.). I have Christian brothers and sisters at church who think you can separate your politics from your religion. Although we all fail miserably, we should at least strive to permeate all facets of our lives with our Christianity. I truly do not understand Christians who vote for those who espouse policies that are antithetical to everything they claim to believe.

The woman saith unto him, I know that Messiah cometh (he that is called Christ): when he is come, he will declare unto us all things. (John 4:25)

RWM52, I know

lineholder (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 6:06PM EST (link)

I don’t know that this will bring any comfort to you, but even among Christians there can be differences in spiritual discernment.

A person lacking in spiritual discernment will not differentiate between what is of good and what is of evil, even when it is staring them right in the face. I know for a fact that this is true because I lived the greater portion of the years of my life on the low end of the spectrum where spiritual discernment is concerned.

For reasons of His own, God brought it about for that change in my life. With greater discernment comes greater responsibilities to stand up for what is of good and to stand against what is of evil.

Maybe that is what God intends…for those of who can discern the truth to take on the role of spiritual warriors.

 
 
 

Maybe you missed His little temple clearing incident?

vandalii Tuesday, April 5th at 5:02PM EST (link)

NT

“Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue.” – Winston Churchill

 
 
 

Oh look, a propagandist for Jihad

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:24AM EST (link)

Shame on you pulling that “both sides” lunacy.

Only a true nutjob would equate destroying a book with killing people. Seek professional help.

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Let me know when Billy Graham burns a Koran

nickderinger Sunday, April 3rd at 7:52AM EST (link)

Call meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

Only a Lib

edintexas Monday, April 4th at 10:43AM EST (link)

I’m with Neil, only Libs pull that comparison garbage and think they have engaged in rational discussion. You want to equate burning a book with murder, I can’t stop you. But please don’t think it is convincing anyone on RS.

 
 
 

Book Burning in the New Testament

disintelligentsia (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 11:47AM EST (link)

While I wouldn’t be inclined to burn a Koran in public myself, I can understand the impulse because of frustration with those adherents of Islam that believe that insulting their religion, prophet, god or religious text is grounds for murder. However, if you’re looking for a book burning in the New Testament, you have only to look at Acts 19:18 —

“Many believers then came forward and a large number who had practiced magic collected their books and burnt them up in public.”

Now it’s not a taunting of another religion per se, but those books on magic would have been religious in nature (with incantations invoking the power of various deities in the Roman pantheon) and it was a rebuke to their religious beliefs and probably seriously pissed off believers in the Roman belief system. But there’s no evidence that Romans got their undies all in a bunch and went on a killing spree because of it.

“Our peculiar security is in the possession of a written Constitution. Let us not make it a blank paper by construction.” –Thomas Jefferson to Wilson Nicholas, 1803.

 
 

Yah..

Kudzu (Diary) Saturday, April 2nd at 11:10PM EST (link)

its going to be an interesting year in Afghanistan

It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.

Now on at http://kudzu630.wordpress.com/

we should leave the dump

Doc Holliday (Diary) Saturday, April 2nd at 11:22PM EST (link)

Let them have the drug addict, lunatic Karzai. The Holliday doctrine is to end all nation building. We just tell the loons if they allow terrorists to plot attacks on our homeland, we will turn their desert into a glass factory. It is the right way to act, and it will save money. The time is up for trying to turn fanatics into little Thomas Jefferson’s.

Just tell them the rules of engagement have changed. If Al Queda remains we will daisy cut them. If that doesn’t work, we start Agent Orange their poppy fields. If that doesn’t work we start taking out their infrastructure. If that doesn’t work, we start taking out cities.

We have given the Afghans longer than any other enemy. We can not push on a string forever. The only way to deal with these people is to make them deal with the problem themselves. They know who the fanatics are, they know better than do we. They let this go one because we are enablers. They look to us to provide security and damn us for doing so.

We have given our soldiers, airmen, Marines, and sailors an impossible task. They were not trained to teach dogs how to behave properly, and the dogs have no desire to learn.

Molon Labe!

We absolutely need to be more brutal

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:18AM EST (link)

than the savages in the hills. We have complete control over only Kabul and some scattered provinces; heck, after ten years Bagram is still getting shelled. The rest of the country is only tenuously held by us and our ISAF (I Saw Americans Fight) allies. The country’s economy is a basketcase that would need a lot of love to get it to even marginally competent status (about ~80% of the Afghan economy is foreign aid + opium). Literacy is somewhere around 8%, and most of that is a) barely at a high school level, and b) concentrated in Kabul. For crying out loud, this is a culture that passes its nephews around to get raped by their uncles and that does unspeakable things to its women. Add to that a free-flowing border between Afghanistan and a nuclear state which is becoming more and more porous, and terrain that makes unconventional warfare easy to engage in, and you’re left with a completely dysfunctional state.

We could be there for 20 more years doing the same things we’ve been doing without cracking the nut that is Afghanistan. There’s absolutely no sense in pretending that the people there are anything but the medieval savages that they are. That’s not racism, that’s just the truth: any European-majority nation that similarly regards its citizens earns the same scorn from me. We should cut our losses, leave, and torch the place if/when it causes more trouble for us. I would rather have them love us than fear us, but if we can’t have the former it’s certainly in our best interests for us to have the latter. In the interest of indulging our humanitarian side, we can have a liberal immigration policy for refugees: most Afghanis who immigrate to the US adapt and do well for themselves and us. That’s about all we can afford a country that’s drained our money and some of our finest citizens.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

agree with all Aesthete

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:55PM EST (link)

Yes, we should allow those that fought with us to come here. It is time to tell the rest to get stuffed. It will not be losing because we will still keep killing the bad guys.

Molon Labe!

 
 
 
 

"We're making enemies faster than we can kill them"

Next93 (Diary) Saturday, April 2nd at 11:40PM EST (link)

In the early days of the Iraq war, someone where I worked had a bumber sticker that read “we’re making enemies faster than we can kill them”. Every time I saw this, I thought two things: (a) you have NO IDEA how fast we can kill them if we really set our minds to it, and (b) IF this is true, we’d better find more efficient ways to kill them, because appeasing every Islamic fanatic in the world isn’t going to work.

To me, this is pretty much proof of that; Western fanatics get mad and burn a book, while the rest of us recoil in shock, Islamic fanatics get mad and murder innocents, while the rest of the Islamic world cheers and dances in the street.

Obama was The One in 2008.
He’ll be a BIGGER one in 2012.

amen, the cartoonists and book burners are NOT barbarians. The Islamists are - nt

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, April 2nd at 11:54PM EST (link)

Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson

 
 

Here an off the wall thought:

anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:34AM EST (link)

Find out who organized the “protests” and have them duly processed by the law and then when all of their appeals are done give them the same treatment those who were killed got.

hint for those who don;t yet understand that islam is at war with the rest of the world – the pastor in Florida did not cause the riots, some imams/rabble-rousers caused the riots and the murders.

Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
http://www.zazzle.com/enemy_of_the_statist_tshirt-235977043035297478

 

Maybe the beheaders bacha baz relationships

grandma Sunday, April 3rd at 2:21AM EST (link)

weren’t fulfilling enough for them the day they rampaged. Or maybe they couldn’t find any women to stone that day.

Why the heck are we in the hell hole in the first place. Is it because the land has to be tamed for the Soros’ of the world to be able to mine all the minerals with ease? to mine the lithium for the battery run autos? at the expense of our young men and women sent there to train the untrainable. Heck, most of those untrainables aren’t even house broken yet. They are star struck about the young boys they kidnap for their use.

 

A pagan barbarian death cult is NOT a "religion"

Adjoran (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 4:09AM EST (link)

as the term is generally understood.

Once we accord it the respect of a religion, we must then engage in all sorts of idiotic moral contortions to maintain that illusion.

Killers with a blood lust is all they are, and all they deserve to be treated as.

 

I don't agree with what Jones did, but....

Neil1030 Sunday, April 3rd at 7:12AM EST (link)

These savage killers pretty much proved his point for him, didn’t they?

yep

anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 2:38PM EST (link)

nailed it in one.

Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
http://www.zazzle.com/enemy_of_the_statist_tshirt-235977043035297478

 
 

Funny thing about Christians

ss396 Sunday, April 3rd at 8:38AM EST (link)

Some Imams did a big Bible-burning in Pakistan about two years ago. It was met pretty much with a loud yawn around the world. Nobody cared.

You can burn the Bible but you cannot destroy the Word. Allah, on the other hand, is apparently susceptible to this. Pretty weak god, I’d say. Not really worth much at all.

If you pay someone to sit on his butt, you can’t be surprised when he does.

Well said (nt)

runner12 (Diary) Monday, April 4th at 1:56PM EST (link)
 
 

An astute and clever comment from a member at my website...

IronDioPriest (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 9:19AM EST (link)

Member “Glock23″ said:

Obama says desecration of the Quran “is an act of extreme intolerance and bigotry.”

Not nearly as much as reading it is.

“If we finally fail in this great and glorious contest, it will be by bewildering ourselves in groping for the middle way.”

-John Adams, 1776

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Good old Barack, the islamists kill 20 people &

johnt Sunday, April 3rd at 10:42AM EST (link)

he calls for dialogue. A tad too tolerant there Barack.
Interesting how everyone knows, just knows, the the Jones thing led to the killings. Like islamist blood lusters have never killed before, in 1400 years.

“a man’s admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him”. Tocqueville

Let the O go over there...

anotherindyfilmguy (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 2:39PM EST (link)

and try to have a nice dialogue with the mob…

Santorum? Well, at least he’s not Romney…
http://www.zazzle.com/enemy_of_the_statist_tshirt-235977043035297478

 
 

There is a workable solution to the problems we see in Muslim countries.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 11:01AM EST (link)

And it only takes a basic understanding of their culture.

Actually, they hate one another with the same passion they hate us. So, airdrop very large quantities of small arms and ammunition into countries where they’re at one anothers throats and seal the borders. Don’t let anyone out. NYT and BBC and NPR reporters can go in, they’ll provide – for a short while – good intel on who’s running out of ammo where.

I can't possibly think of anything more immoral than doing that...nt.

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 11:13AM EST (link)

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

I have a couple suggestions.

acat (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:04PM EST (link)

Here are a few less moral plans.

Turn the entire ME into glass. It’d take lots of nukes, as well as conventional explosives, and the environmental impact would be .. interesting .. but the problem of extremists would be done. This is, not surprisingly, the plan that was advocated by some following 9/11.

Then there’s the more subtle “Trail of Tears” option – insert a nasty virus (smallpox in blankets is the model) into food shipments going into the region, then wait for the mass die-off.

Mew

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I stand corrected.

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:09PM EST (link)

There is a suggestion more immoral than the one previously stated.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Happy to help. Note that all three suggestions above treat the symptom, not the problem...

acat (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:26PM EST (link)

That is, all three attempt to reduce the population of barbaric savages. That’s the symptom, not the problem.

The problem is that the West, in our benevolence and stupidity, have not attached cultural changes to physical aid – that is, we have made surviving as a barbarian easier – food aid, medical aid – but not done much to actually change the culture.

Look at places where a foreign invasion did change the culture – Japan – and the differences jump out.

Mew

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Cat, a foreign invasion did not change the Japanese culture

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:59PM EST (link)

The Japanese, like the Germans, were fundamentally “civilized” by the time that WWII rolled around; they were just evil. In both Japan and Germany, we only changed the system marginally (in many cases leaving Nazis and militarists in power). There really isn’t a good example of a culture changing purely by dint of our effort in a small period of time, and we should avoid the hubris of assuming that we can change a culture as easily as we can change a tire. Cultures and societies are complex, multi-variate things: what makes us think that we can manage them any better than we can manage an economy?

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

yeah, and some cultures

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 1:29PM EST (link)

don’t deserve to be called “cultures”.

Molon Labe!

Reminds me of an old joke, Doc. What's the difference between yogurt and Los Angeles?

acat (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 1:40PM EST (link)

One has an active culture.

The point, and I’ll make it to both you and Asthete, is that it is quite possible to change a culture… or have y’all forgotten the argument that the liberals have been trying to change ours? (here’s the point to the joke – look at the inner cities and tell me that’s not an artificially imposed culture…)

The problem is, while we’re apparently willing to let the liberals rewrite our own culture, we’re not willing to take a – using Asthete’s words above – sufficiently brutal approach to rewrite the culture in Afghanistan.

Mew

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American culture does change

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 2:34PM EST (link)

freedom allows cultural improvements and wealth that can move from enterprising to decadence in a few generations. Look at our culture today. We have an ever shrinking group of producers and a huge group of takers. Our culture has changed because prior generations provided the wealth that allowed the generation that followed to decline without much immediate damage.

My point is that you can’t compare American decline with the dream of changing a pre-medieval culture that does not want to be changed. Americans have allowed malignant forces into the very fabric of our society for a very long time. The left has had to completely take over our government, our elections, the education system, news, and entertainment; and even then half of us have resisted to date.

We are not going to change the culture of Afghanistan. We would have to overcome their religion, their tribal ties, and scattered groups kept separate by geography. Let’s not forget, their entire world view is to oppose our culture at every turn.

We are in Afghanistan for one reason, they are a threat to our nation. We have tried for ten years to make them like us, we have tried to make them like each other, it can not be done. What we must do now is come up with a new plan. One thing well known about their culture is that violence is all they understand.

Molon Labe!

Two birds with one stone, then, Doc.

acat (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 3:22PM EST (link)

Offer a free, one-way trip to Afghanistan, with, say, $10k in U.S. greenbacks to every gang member who’s willing to accept it in lieu of another prison sentence.

We have too much violence, all they understand is violence, let’s become net exporters….

On a more serious note, this is why I’ve argued all along that we’ve taken the wrong approach. The Afghans are not ready for democracy, not even for a republic. They *might* be ready for something like a British “house of lords” / “house of commons” split, with the lords being the tribal leaders, and each tribe electing a number of commoners…

Kipling had a bit to say about Afghanistan .. and our foreign policy would be much more coherent if our decision-makers took the time to understand history.

Mew

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that is a good one Acat :)

Doc Holliday (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 2:36PM EST (link)

I was thinking of comparing their culture to a cultured fungus or something.

Molon Labe!

 
 
 

I would say Defeat caused a change in culture

YnotNOW (Diary) Monday, April 4th at 6:53PM EST (link)

When Germany and Japan were forced to surrender unconditionally, they knew they were utterly defeated. That forced them to confront the fact that their cultures had gone down a dead end, and therefore that they had to make some pretty fundamental changes.

Yes, both cultures had a high level of civilization, but they also had developed a nationalism, based upon a cultural superiority myth, that allowed them to believe they were justified in subjugating all other cultures. Defeat popped that buble. Only then were they able to build a new culture.

Similar for Islamists – who feel that Allah has commanded them to subjugate the entire world. The will only re-think this when they face utter defeat.

YnotNOW
If not me, who? If not now, when?

 
 
 
 
 

I can't think of anything more counterproductive

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:52PM EST (link)

than NOT doing it. It’s obvious as all get out that what we’ve been doing for 50 years or so doesn’t work. There is exactly one country in the Middle East inhabited by productive, rational, caring human beings. The rest of it is terrorist central and it’s a mistake to classify the inhabitants thereof as anything other than congenital butchers.

So this is what RS has come to?

NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 2:22PM EST (link)

No thanks.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

It's what the world has come to.

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 3:16PM EST (link)

Get over it.

 

So far, Night Twister, you've said our proposals are "immoral". Please post your counterproposal. [nt]

acat (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 3:23PM EST (link)

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Oh, an "immoral" compared to just what?

mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 4:10PM EST (link)

Female circumcision? Stoning or hanging homosexuals? Executing women for adultery and giving men a pass? Commanding a death sentence for this?

How about teaching little kids to be homicide bombers? I can come up with a much longer list if you really need it.

To be fair, Becker, it took me a long time to realize...

acat (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 5:29PM EST (link)

just how incompatible the Islamic theocratic state is with the West… and how non-western the average ME-dwelling Muslim is. I had the “they’re all just waiting to be free” blinders on for a long time….

The fact is, they’re missing – for cultural reasons – several key components to being a freed people – a belief in self-determination, a belief in the rights of the individual, a level of cultural trust…

These can’t be, to Doc and Asthete’s point, grafted onto a culture, especially when two of the key components of the culture – religion and government – are contrary to the ideas. Islam is, in the ME, both government and religion.. this is a key “miss” on the part of most in the west, where the state has been largely secular for long enough that most of us take it for granted…

Mew

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Caveat Suffragator

 
 
 
 
 
 

The Mohammedans are determined to make my job simple…

ntrepid (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 11:59AM EST (link)

…I just need to repeat myself every week:

“…this entire atrocity should probably serve as fair warning to us all that the demarcation line between “religion of peace” and “radical elements” is much closer to the middle of the Mohammedan spectrum than many would prefer to acknowledge.”

Ntrepid
Proud Redstate Member since April 2006…?

(1) http://www.redstate.com/sarajohnson/2011/03/21/i-stand-with-israel/#comment-21

“Everybody has an agenda. Except for me.” – Michael Crichton, State of Fear.

 

Well just wait, because here come this week's "barbarism".

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 12:26PM EST (link)

The French apparently relish their new role as the world’s savior, because they and the UN are at it again in theIvory Coast.

Please do read the linked article and notice you won’t find a reference that government they pushed out was “Christian” (Laurent Gbagbo) and the one they said would be so-much better is Muslim (Alassane Ouattara,).

Problem is the “religion of peace” just murdered 1,000 civilians because they were Christian.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

Marcus, and today our SOS Clinton calls for

lineholder (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 1:22PM EST (link)

Gbago to “step down immediately”.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/153461-clinton-calls-on-ivory-coast-ruler-gbagbo-to-step-down-immediately-

Yes, well LH it's the Christian's fault they didn't submit.

Marcus_Traianus (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 4:21PM EST (link)

so therefore Clinton and Obama have just blessed the slaughter of innocent civilians.

“Both of our political parties, at least the honest portion of them, agree conscientiously in the same object—the public good; but they differ essentially in what they deem the means of promoting that good. One side believes it best done by one composition of the governing powers; the other, by a different one. One fears most the ignorance of the people; the other, the selfishness of rulers independent of them. Which is right, time and experience will prove.”.Thomas Jefferson

Marcus, submissiveness isn't what they want

lineholder (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 5:05PM EST (link)

They won’t be content with anything less than complete and total domination. Even if they got it, they wouldn’t find happiness or peace in it.

I’m really glad that God gave us a “head’s up” about how this all ends.

 
 
 
 

Advancing Dhimmitude ...

skorrent1 (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 1:08PM EST (link)

One step at a time.

Western culture allows the satire of political and religious figures including drawing cartoons. Islamic culture gets mad and kills people when we do that to them. Solution: Continue to make fun of our cultural figures but not theirs.

Western culture allows the burning in effigy of persons or of cultural symbols as an expression of protest. Islamic culture allows the burning of Western cultural symbols or effigies, but gets mad and kills people when their symbols are burned. Solution: Everyone can continue to burn Western symbols, but no one can burn Islamic icons.

Question: How many times must Westerners exalt Islamic culture above our own before we have reached the proper stage of Dhimmitude?

 

Please help this old lady

redinthefacegranny Sunday, April 3rd at 4:53PM EST (link)

I don’t understand the pro-Islamist political correct posture. Perhaps, as is the case that illegal aliens are simply undocumented Democrats, these “peace loving” Muslims are future libs????? Or have I fallen down the rabbit hole?

redinthefacegranny, it's possible, but there are

lineholder (Diary) Sunday, April 3rd at 6:13PM EST (link)

a lot of other possibilities as well. I think that the kind of answers you would get to this question, including my own, would be dependent on the viewpoint of the individual giving you that answer.

And seeing how no two people think exactly the same….

 
 

Well said, Lori.

leefox Monday, April 4th at 2:37PM EST (link)

Very well said,

 

I am holding the media responsible.

momofthecastle (Diary) Monday, April 4th at 7:53PM EST (link)

This was such a small thing, but the media felt the need to make sure that people who would go incendiary would see it. Then those folks went incendiary. Then the media had more news to sell.

And they are responsible for 20 deaths.

I disagree

aesthete (Diary) Monday, April 4th at 7:59PM EST (link)

I’m a devout Christian, but no matter how many images of Bible-burning you show me, I won’t go out and murder 12 unrelated persons. You can say the same for most Christians, Buddhists, and Jews (and probably for most American Muslims, as well). The problem, and the blame, lies solely with the savages who killed a dozen people for something that some idiot halfway around the world did.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton