The absolutely deafening sound of *crickets* coming from N.O.W. whenever a Conservative woman is being lambasted in the media always serves to remind me that I am, in fact, a staunch Anti-Feminist and here is why:
I like being different from men and don’t envy man-bits. I enjoy being able to cry and win an argument by default. I like being able to use my hormones as an excuse for acting like a shrew and a mad harpie a few days a month.
I don’t like math. Icky. Oh, so icky.
I like not having to mow the lawn. Ever. I like pretending to be so mechanically impaired that I can’t even figure out how to put gas in it, never mind pull that string thing to start it.
I like not knowing what the string thing is called.
I like not having to take out the garbage (my nails! Its dirty! Ewww!). I like being able to run screeching from the room at the first glimpse of a spider and have a man come running to save the day.
I like staying home with my child without feeling as if I am not “fulfilling my potential” by not having a career. If I were a feminist, I’d beat myself up daily over that fact. Even worse, most feminists believe what I do is actually harmful to women. Betty Frieden wrote in The Feminist Mystique that housewives are mindless, thing-hungry, are not people and that “Housewives are in as much danger as the millions who walked to their own death in the concentration camps.”
Wow. How offensive; to women and to holocaust victims. Yes, Betty, nurturing, cooking, cleaning and making a loving home is *exactly* the same as forced interment and genocide. Another paragon of Feminism, Gloria Steinem, said that housewives are parasites. Yup, she equated me and millions of other women who enjoy their lives, to tape worms. OK, sometimes my cooking “experiments” may seem to cause tape worm-like symptoms, but I am not a parasite. So, wrong again, Gloria. In fact, women need Feminists like fish need bicycles. (you young’uns may not remember that oh-so-clever Feminist slogan)
While y’all were busily pant-suiting yourselves and trying to become men, other women were out there raising families and learning through actual living. You old school Feminists forgot (or chose to ignore; y’all are big on paying lip service to “choosing”) the greatest thing that sets us apart. Being a Mommy.
Sorry, Hillary Clinton, but I like being a “standing by my man baking cookies” kind of woman. How hypocritical of you……it is only OK to stand by your husband while he is entertaining himself by batiking an intern’s dress with bodily fluids, as long as you can use him for your own political gain?. How’s that working out for you, by the way? WHOM was it who was sent to North Korea to negotiate the release of the journalists again? Meow.
I like believing in real choice; the choice to live your life in the noble pursuit of raising a family. Seems as if feminists are only obsessed with one “choice”.
I don’t like sensible shoes or short hair. I like dressing up and looking pretty and I like when men notice. I don’t gasp in feigned outrage (What! A man is looking at me! What a pig!)
And, most importantly, I like Men. I don’t believe they are the root of all evil. Except for maybe Al Gore.
Lest I be accused of woman bashing, I also have no use for Feminist men. Enough with the “feelings”. If I want to discuss feelings, I’ll call my sister.
The fact that you care more about my uterus and its “rights” than I do is kinda gross. Why the heck are creepy, middle-aged men and militant lesbians so obsessed with my reproductive rights? I have never, not once, woken up thinking “Gee, I hope my reproductive rights are protected today”. What are reproductive rights anyway? Wouldn’t that mean the right to reproduce? I can see that being a concern in say, China, but I’m pretty sure no one is stopping reproduction here. Jamie Lynn and Britney Spears, Kate Gosselin and the OctoMom are proof of that.
You don’t open doors for me out of fear of offending my independent sensibilities; I’m offended that you think I want to heave open my own door. Some of them are heavy and since I’m partial to heels, I’m always slightly off-balance.
When watching a sad movie, I need to be able to cry on your shoulder and not the other way around. Men should only cry in public when drunk and melancholy. Or at the funeral of one of our fallen heros. I’ll even excuse it at the birth of your child, BUT only manly misty-eyes and a quick sniffle. No blubbering.
Reciting poetry is not good foreplay. It isn’t even bad foreplay. (Am I right, ladies?)
Your political stances don’t wash. You rant and rave at injustices for women in America, yet you want to have conversations and dialogue with people who actually DO subjugate women, treat them like chattel and stone them to death for things like, oh, walking down the street alone.
There is no need to constantly validate my feelings. I already know they are valid. As should you, so please stop asking me to validate yours.
I don’t feel all empowered when you expect me to pump my own gas. Be a man and pump it for me. Show some respect…..it could mess up my manicure. Plus, it’s stinky.
Dick Cheney is sexy. Perez Hilton is so the opposite of sexy there isn’t even a word for it. I would have said Alan Alda, but I’m fairly certain he actually is a woman.
Lastly, be an alpha male once in a while and make a decision on your own. And lose those icky little socialist beards.
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Excellent!!! Another example of lefty control freaks limiting freedom
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Another Great Diary... Highly Reco'd
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Excellent work, Lori! Reco'd
Jake W (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 2:03AM EST (link)I can’t help but think of my Mom while reading this, or for that matter, any one of the great conservative women I’ve had the pleasure of knowing in my life.
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Brian Simpson (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 2:07AM EST (link)who was always taught that you hold the door open for anyone who was behind you, it’s nice to know that there are still people out there who appreciate that.
I mean, geez, it must now be a crime to be nice to people in the feminazi world.
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DONTREADONME (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 2:09AM EST (link)Eve, when did you start writing diaries at redstate? oh you haven’t, this girl right here just wrote exaclty the same thing you were telling me the other day. Now that is weird, if my wife did not write this, I guess there are at least two women in America that love being a woman.
Make that three!
wordsarepower (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 10:22AM EST (link)I love being a woman and love that my husband is all man.
I'm #4!
MathMom Tuesday, August 11th at 9:33AM EST (link)I’m not much of a dress wearer (was thrilled when they scrapped the girly dress code in high school in the early 70′s), love to mow the lawn and actually enjoyed rebuilding the lawn mower engine when I was a teenager), and can by gosh think my way out of a paper bag when my car breaks down. My dad taught his daughters how to change oil, change a tire, listen to the car for tell-tale “whump whump whump” that may mean a wheel bearing needs attention, or the whine on deceleration that might signal problems with the differential. I know how to use a tow strap.
I N-E-V-E-R wear high heels, my uniform is blue jeans, t-shirt and a pair of running shoes. I love mentoring my son’s robotics team, and by damn, I CAN DO MATH! I had a pedicure 8 years ago, have fingernails that don’t grow for crap, so they are not long and lustrously polished. Acrylic nails? Not for me. I play piano, and teach it. I am never happier than when I’m assembling one of those little shelving units that you get at Home Depot. In fact, the first time I walked into Home Depot, I knew it was time to leave Saudi Arabia and return to America. My husband told his co-workers that I love power tools, and they admonished him to buy me all the power tools I want, so they can borrow them.. If a man ever holds the door open for me, I turn my best smile on him and thank him, looking directly into his eyes so he knows I mean it.
I would have been a horrible mother for a girly girl like my niece. I have hair that does one thing, and I never really got the hang of making it do something else. I have two boys, and was very grateful for that, because I just don’t understand shopping till you drop.
I am an expert seamstress. I made all the girls’ dresses for the choir when I was in high school, made many goose-down parkas, sleeping bags and vests, plus a 3-person backpacking tent with a waterproof rain fly. I’ve also made wedding dresses and tailored suits.
I stared Death in the face when my husband’s heart failed, and fought for his life by learning about alternative medical treatments to help him. recover. I stuck to him like glue whenever he needed hospitalization after his stroke, his septicemia, his arrhytmia and his eventual heart transplant.
I learned how to kill those $**#($%&% roaches that are so abundant in Texas without screaming, because I didn’t want to pass my morbid fear of them on to my sons. I wanted them to be men.
I would still be climbing trees if I had not become handicapped. I wanted a Barbie Doll Dream House when I was a kid, and found Nirvana when I assembled it. After that, I wanted to assemble another one. Playing Barbie with it was really a letdown.
Even with these non-girly traits, I feel like I’m All Woman. Just an All Woman who doesn’t squeal with delight at a pair of shoes that are to die for.
I am NOT a Feminist. I find it boring and stupid. I wear a bra, and thank God I need one. My husband thanks God I need one, too!
I lived for 11 years in Saudi Arabia, and I know for certain what a lack of rights for women looks like.
When one of my husband’s employees announced that his parents had found him a wife, he confided to my husband that his family was very liberal and that they were going to allow him to meet her before the wedding, although they would be carefully chaperoned. They met. He asked his future bride if she had any questions. She asked, “Do you have a nice house?” He said “yes”. She said she’d marry him.. That was their only contact before the wedding. It nearly broke my heart. She had no other vision of her future, or her worth, or her own dreams, than to make sure she would be living in a nice house.
If she wants to go to community college and take a class in Biology or Math, she doesn’t have that option. If she wants to drive, she’ll need to move to another country. If she ever found herself in need of a night’s lodging away from her home, she’d need to check in with her husband, or with a letter of permission from her husband. She can’t get mad and go stay a night alone at the Hotel Sofitel and cool off. She would be considered a prostitute, and kicked out.
Feminism in America is a battle for rights that doesn’t need to be waged. It’s the sort of thing women do because their time is not fully occupied using a wringer washer to launder cloth baby diapers. Yet it is curiously blind to real, bona fide crimes are waged daily against women, in places like Saudi Arabia. Since it is a dishonest movement, I will never be a “Feminist”.
Who might be a real, true feminist? Well, George W. Bush comes to mind. He liberated 25 million oppressed women and girls, roughly half of the 50 million Muslims he liberated by waging the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. This would be about 24,999,992 more than ANY effort by “Feminists” in Western countries. Those liberated women, who are now able to run for elected office, would never get those rights from the usual “International Year of the Woman” conferences of the type Hillary Clinton attends.
Sarah Palin is a true feminist. She has risen to high office on her own merits and by her own effort. She didn’t need to prostitute herself to a philnandering husband and work through him to eventually attain personal power. Sarah Palin had personal power when she was a little girl and it just got more noticeable as she got older. She is able to work on a fishing boat with acrylic nails, field dress a moose, and make elitist “conservative” women like Peggy Noonan want to scratch her eyes out because, IMHO, they are jealous that she can do all those things and breastfeed at the same time.
I wish I could be more like Sarah Palin. If she was the face of the feminist movement, I’d be a feminist.
MathMom, please make this comment a diary.
Uma Richie (Diary) Tuesday, August 11th at 9:37AM EST (link)It’s awesome!
(*blush*)
MathMom Tuesday, August 11th at 9:45AM EST (link)Thank you. I can change a tire, but I don’t know how to make a comment a diary.
5X5X5 Excellent! you would be a great speaker...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Tuesday, August 11th at 9:39AM EST (link)for young women to listen to! I find it is the soft expression of feminism when extolled to young women makes them listen to you. They are hungry for information and they are desperate not to be “victims”. They want to know that their value is in the person they already are without bending to some pre-conceived notion of what it mean to be a woman in America. I truly believe Conservatism is the RIGHT path for young women to follow and I personally will continue to help them to see it!
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Thank you.
MathMom Tuesday, August 11th at 9:46AM EST (link)You are very kind.
The difference; Conservative Woman does not mean weak woman.
penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, August 11th at 10:11AM EST (link)That is how I see it. Loved your comment MathMom. IMO, the women who commented in this diary are Conservative Women. There are variations in their style, but it is not because of weakness. Maybe you are more comfortable with tools, but you have not given up your femininity to be able to use them.
I agree it isn’t all about dresses or jeans, it is the individual wearing the clothes. I imagine men have found very appealing women in those jeans. For myself, I like to dress up, because we do so rarely now, and it makes me feel more comfortable and yes, I’ll say attractive. That is what works for me.
The common theme though; we have been enabled to be all we wish to be and are happy with the choices we have made. And we have the utmost RESPECT for those that may make other choices.
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Dressing up
MathMom Tuesday, August 11th at 10:34AM EST (link)I agree wholeheartedly that as a society we don’t dress up enough any more. I am always disappointed when teenagers come to church in flip-flops, cargo shorts and wrinkled t-shirts. On the one hand, they are in CHURCH, not sleeping in. On the other hand, Jesus suffered mightily when crucified, and might have enjoyed the comfort of cargo shorts and a t-shirt instead of what he got. I think out of respect for his suffering, we can have our children wear scratchy clothes and dress shoes for 90 minutes each week.
We went to Phantom of the Opera in Houston last weekend, at 2 pm.. I was afraid the adopted dress code would be Church Casual, but there were women in black strappy heels and glittery dresses. It certainly made the event, which set us back several hundred dollars, more special because of the pretty dresses on the well-coiffed women.
I took it up a notch, too. No blue jeans for the Phantom!
I guess it's time for another quote from Lazarus Long.
TNJim (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 2:18AM EST (link)From the Notebooks of Lazarus Long by Robert A. Heinlein.
Keep these fine diaries coming, Lori! Reco’d!
Good quote.
itrytobenice (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 7:55AM EST (link)That’s a wise man.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
That is a fantastic quote/sentiment
Lori Ziganto (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 11:33AM EST (link)I had forgotten it … thank you for posting and reminding me of it.
It’s spot-on.
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Thanks, Lori
randy streu (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 6:55AM EST (link)Like the other Conservative Men here, I think it’s nice to know there are women who appreciate being treated as someone special.
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and also, my wife's right there along with you. nt
randy streu (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 6:56AM EST (link)nt
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Spot on, Lori.
itrytobenice (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 7:52AM EST (link)The Feminazis aren’t interested in women’s freedom, they are interested in shoving us all into their little mold of a man hating shrew.
And for those of us quite in love with testosterone, it’s irritating.
If they want to show themselves to be defenders of women, they have to stand up for the Sarah Palins of the world, and not just the Hillary Clintons.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Why in the world would a woman want to be like a man?
penguin2 (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 8:10AM EST (link)I have always contended that the Woman’s Movement did more harm to women than help. The results of their drive for equality actually doubled the workload for women. The push to say we were not “equal” unless we worked outside of the home, did not give us equality. We landed up having an external job and the job of wife and mother. And I don’t care how you divide up the household tasks, women do the greater share.
That is fine with me. I want to run my household. I want to care for my children. Women are different from men by more than just anatomical references. Proven scientific data show brain development differences, chemical differences (obviously) and of course there would be different results.
I’m with you Lori, I love being feminine. I don’t want to mow the lawn, fix the car, or even worry about a lightbulb. Well, I could change the lightbulb if I had to and mow the lawn with one of those real old-fashioned manual mowers, IF I wanted to, I don’t. My family would rather have my zucchini bread and homemade strawberry jam. And yes, I’m “educated” two degrees. But the real things I hoped I passed on to my children was thinking, doing and caring.
IMO, the Feminazis (Rush’s term), are women very unhappy with who they are and still feel empty.
Great diary, but I’m biased…
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Beaglescout (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 11:35AM EST (link)If you look at the claims of the Dems you’ll see they claim to support individuality. But when it comes down to critiques of day to day behavior you will see they hate individuality and want conformity to be enforced by shame, by peer pressure, and by law. The post McGovern Dems, whom I shall always refuse to call “liberals” because they do not really believe in liberty or individuality, are the most conformist people you will ever meet. Just look at Nancy Pelosi’s house Dems. Not a spine among them when it comes down to the really bad bills.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Precisely, Penguin
Lori Ziganto (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 11:36AM EST (link)I don’t understand why some try to pretend that we aren’t different. It doesn’t make us lesser.
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^5!
marshmom (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 8:25AM EST (link)I’ve thought about writing a diary like that for a while now. Thank you for doing it!
In James Dobson’s book, “Bringing Up Boys”, he writes that feminism is pretty much responsible for the deterioration of the American family. The whole idea that women are somehow equal to men leaves men (and boys who watch the men) confused as to what role they play.
If you ask me, I believe that being a mother is the most important job in the world and I wouldn’t trade it for jewels, money, or all the gold in Ft. Knox. After all, we’re responsible for ensuring the health and well-being, character development, and intellectual development of a human being. Someone who could possibly be the next president of the U.S., the scientist who cures cancer, or maybe just someone who dedicates their life to good and meaningful things. After all, watch any documentary on serial killers and you’ll find that most of the time it was the mother and what she did or didn’t do in the eyes of these monsters as children that caused them to go psycho.
Also, men and women ARE NOT equal!! So stop saying it, because it’ll never be true. Men are better at some things, women are better at different things. It’s okay. We should embrace the differences and work together as a team. God obviously intended women to be at home with their children. We have more patience, we’re better listeners, better consolers, we’re softer and less hairy which means we’re better suited for cuddling. I could go on and on, but I think I made my point.
Yes, when something is broken, lights are on in my car, when something is too heavy or on too high a shelf, when I the yard needs to be mowed, or when my car needs it’s oil changed, there’s nothing I want more than a masculine, meat-eating, sweaty, macho man. It’s true. Lori is right on this one. We don’t want a blubbering, sobbing, unsure, afraid-to-get-his-hands-dirty metrosexual. That’s why we have girlfriends.
I like being taken care of and I like being treated like a lady. In my home, we live as the Lord intended. My husband is the head of the household and I am his helper. I respectfully give my opinion on certain issues, but the final decision is made by my husband. Most feminists find this view of marriage warped and degrading. Well, truthfully, if your husband is a liberal pansy I can see why you would think this. Most of them either act like jerks or couldn’t make a decision if their lives depended on it. Liberal men are usually not very manly. They’re weaselly and pathetic.
I didn’t mean for this to get so long-winded, but I had to get that off my chest. Thank you, Lori for writing this to let everyone know that feminists don’t speak for all women. Some of us still like to be treated like women, not men.
Marshmom, I loved what you said.
penguin2 (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 9:37AM EST (link)We want men to be men. Not another version of ourselves. God made us to be different, to compliment each other. We are balanced when we recognize this.
IMO, the Feminists movement did more harm to our culture and accelerated degradation of our society, than anything else. Giving up our femininity, giving away our sexuality cheapens us and coarsened society. Now all of our little girls are to be made into sexual objects for the perusal of perverts/pedophiles.
I don’t blame the men though; how can they be men if we do not act like women?
Another thought, why are the women trying to feminize society and minimize masculinity?
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Make this a diary
Beaglescout (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 11:36AM EST (link)You already have a good start at it. In fact I don’t think there is much you need to add.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Brava, Marshmom!
Lori Ziganto (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 11:38AM EST (link)Tell it, Sister!
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This way lies death for all
Robert A. Hahn (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 12:22PM EST (link)The whole idea that women are somehow equal to men leaves men (and boys who watch the men) confused as to what role they play.
Men understand intuitively that it is cosmically stupid to compete for resources with the females of our own species. If forced to do so, our hearts are not in it and we resent having to do it. This makes such competition highly unfair, which then makes things worse. In particular it makes the age-old custom of lifelong pair-bonding a bad deal for men. As anyone in business can tell you, bad deals do not work. In the end you cannot force anyone to perform on a contract in which they are getting hosed. Only mutually-beneficial deals last.
What we see around us is the bad deal not working. To my knowledge there has never been a productive, successful society in which the adult males were systematically estranged from the society’s young. We are at a point now where half the nation’s children do not live in the same house with their biological father. This is how humans who live in bushes organize themselves. I don’t think anyone knows where this goes, but it probably isn’t anywhere good.
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I think you made one mistake, Lori
fmaidment (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 9:48AM EST (link)Those NOW “feminists” are anything but. Women have a right to be whatever they want, whether it’s a lawyer, a businesswoman, or a housewife. That’s feminism.
That they don’t want you staying at home taking care of your kids because it doesn’t fit their model for you shows they are just controlling and childish.
You live your life the way you wish. No need to live up to someone else’s standards of what’s “best” for you.
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Absolutely correct, Fred, I left that out in error
Lori Ziganto (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 11:41AM EST (link)I usually use “sneer quotes” around the word “Feminist” because the term has been bastardized by the left. NOW “Feminists” are Faux Feminists. They don’t care about women, they don’t respect women, they don’t wish to empower women; they have a political agenda and that’s all.
True Feminists believe in TRUE choice and understand that women ARE different. In a very good way.
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+1
jlucasmckay (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 12:57PM EST (link)Stereotypes are lame.
All it took was 1 comment...
speciallist (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 1:03PM EST (link)and I already have a stereotype for you…
This troll has a track record. nt
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 2:42PM EST (link)“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington
“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.
What would that be?
jlucasmckay (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 6:58PM EST (link)nt
Really?...ok
speciallist (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 7:13PM EST (link)Unhappy jobless Progressive nihlist with no girlfriend…close?
Naah, not really.
jlucasmckay (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 7:23PM EST (link)Pretty happy, I’ve got a dog and a pretty girlfriend. Jobless? I’m a doctoral student – they pay me, but feel free to count that as a job or not. Nihilist? Definitely no. No more and no less religion than, say, Ayn Rand. Probably more progressive than most, less progressive than a lot. I took a quiz said I was a “social libertarian.” Which is an odd two words to string together, when you think about it.
Good answer...
speciallist (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 7:50PM EST (link)now…try to be more cheerful and less of a smartaxx
Will do.
jlucasmckay (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 7:57PM EST (link)[nt]
Bravo Lori!
equitare (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 10:40AM EST (link)And Amen! I was just having this very conversation with my dear gentleman friend recently. We agreed that with the deaths of masculinity and femininity have come the end of romance for too many as well, I’m afraid.
And to all conservative-minded men: yes, we do welcome your gentlemanly gestures. These are woefully lacking along the liberal-entrenched East coast corridors where I have lived most of my life.
Keep opening those doors. Ignore the dirty look from the occasional liberal. The rest of us will acknowledge your respect with reciprocal appreciation.
Keep the diaries coming Lori. I love your style.
Equitare
Very good diary Lori.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 1:22PM EST (link)I have decided that feminism is nothing more than attempt to obscure women. It is the burka of our society.
It veils women under a heavy cloth of expectation that is contrary to our make up.
When we chose our wedding vows, I specifically chose a passage from the Book of Ruth that reads “Where thou goest I will go and where thou lodgest, I will lodge and thy people shall be my people and thy God my God.”
It was my vow to my husband that no matter, I will follow him and I will chose his decisions over mine on issues. Because I respect him. and I am completely confident in the trust I put in him.
Does this mean I suffer from a Blanche DuBois syndrome? Nope, but in the big picture I will stand by my husband and I will always support his life, his dreams and his career – I promised him that many years ago on our wedding day. It is a promise that I will always keep.
Every one of the men in this house (5) hold doors open for women, they are protectors of the weak and Southern gentlemen. They have been raised with manners and they have been raised to be respectful of women.
Feminism doesn’t fly in this house because I know the true secret of liberation is being who you are, not living in a stereotype made by those whose agenda is far from my own.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
ocleverone, "the burka of our society"...
penguin2 (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 10:16PM EST (link)“veils women under a heavy cloth of expectation” is a powerful statement and a great analogy. There is a lot that can be extrapolated from that.
The other comment that caught my eye, your wedding vows. I had the same ones from the Book of Ruth in my wedding…
And I meant to tell you I saw your comment I think in Mailloux’s diary about children, just did not get to get back to this week. We are obviously on the same page: )
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I also think we are on the same page, Penguin.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 10:41PM EST (link)You understand about those chosen vows.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Go Lori!!
TxTess (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 8:58PM EST (link)Those of you who are married and responded toLori’s post are amazingly blessed. You speak of true partnerships between people whose strengths compliment each other. That is the way it is supposed to be.
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Uma Richie (Diary) Saturday, August 8th at 9:55PM EST (link)and as I type this, at least five of the ten on the recommended list are written by four different female diarists. Conservatism is the true ideology of equal opportunity.
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mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 6:53PM EST (link)Conservatism is the true ideology of equal opportunity.
I saw that and wasn’t logged in at the time. Great Quote!!!!
Great Article
aunum Sunday, August 9th at 9:40PM EST (link)Thanks for posting that lori, its a terrific read. When women ask “what are you doing?” when you open a door for them its aggravating to say the least.
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Have you ever actually met a feminist
johnwheelwright Monday, August 10th at 3:26PM EST (link)Or is your entire argument just based on Rush’s convenient fantasies about who they were 50 years ago, and what they stood for?
I’ve never met a feminist who said it was unacceptable for a woman to be a stay at home mom. Feminists argue that women should have the right to work if they so choose, and that there should not be a social stigma attached to doing so. And that women who work should be paid the same as men who do the same job. Not a terribly revolutionary notion. In fact, it fits in pretty squarely with the idea that this country is supposed to be a meritocracy, and people ought not to have their gender factored in when their wage is set. I think I’d likely find you boring if you chose to have no pursuits outside of your family – women who do nothing but talk about their kids, their recipes and what they saw on t.v. are a pretty insufferable lot. But nobody’s looking to take away your right to be boring.
I’ve never met a feminist who said women can’t wear dresses, or be feminine or sexy. Or that women can’t be hit on or admired for their looks. The notion that feminists are all chubby, humorless, protolesbians in sensible shoes is pure invention. Nor have a met a woman – any woman, feminist or not – in more than 30 years who’s in the least bit interested in the Alan Alda archetype (have you ever actually heard of a man reading poetry as a form of foreplay, or did this just appear in a dream somewhere?). Feminist women want manly men every bit as much as you do. They just want their men to be interested in satisfying them sexually, taking some responsibility for household chores, and refraining from demeaning them at work.
My wife is a feminist. She expects me to take out the trash, and get the car fixed, and change the light-bulbs. She, too, likes to pretend she is incapable of doing anything mechanical, or killing bugs, so I will take care of it. She also expects me to knows my own child’s schedule, pick her up from school, and feed them on the nights when it is she who works late instead of me. She also views becoming and being a mother as the defining characteristic of her life.
I’m not sure what to make of your claim that people “caring about your uterus” is creepy. Nobody actually cares about your uterus. Feminists care about women being able to have control over their own reproductive systems. Why your article, purportedly about feminists, suddenly limits itself to “creepy middle aged men and lesbians” when discussion turns to reproductive rights is a mystery. The vast majority of feminists are straight women. And yeah, they think that you – and they – have a right to decide whether or not to carry a pregnancy to term. You may have a host of reasons why you think abortion is wrong, but of those people who believe it is a fundamental right, very few come to that belief by virtue of their maleness or their lesbian-ness.
Feminists got you the vote. They opened the nation’s elite universities to women. They pushed for laws against domestic violence, and to protect women and children from sexual exploitation. They pushed to expanded access to birth control and to increase funding for research and treatment of breast and cervical cancer. I can see why you would want to refer to them as a special kind of nazi.
I wonder if YOU have ever met a feminist
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 3:35PM EST (link)Not a strong woman, like Sarah Palin and my wife, but a true-blue feminist.
What you leftists have done is prop up barren, wretched, joyless shrews as the paragon of womanhood, and when that notion is finally rejected by the majority of Americans, you change the definition of “feminist” completely.
This isn’t even a nice try, pal.
There are many types of feminists...
leftylurker (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 3:42PM EST (link)Not all of them are of the Andrea Dworkin variety, which I think you’re referencing . (And she did do some pretty important stuff, regardless).
No, there were only many types of feminists...
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 3:47PM EST (link)…when your type of feminist was outed as a foul, crude, joyless scold which no woman in America could identify with.
Just like with every single concept on the planet, liberals are attempting to change the definition of a word to suit their needs and the results of polling. That’s why Sarah Palin scares the crap out of you – Americans know a real woman when they see one, and Hillary Clinton and Maureen Dowd ain’t it.
Fwiw, Sarah Palin does not scare the crap out of me
leftylurker (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 3:59PM EST (link)But really man, I disagree with you. I know plenty of women who call themselves feminists who are nothing like the definition you’re laying out.
Maybe that’s because they’re using the word incorrectly, or maybe it’s because your conception of feminists is limited. Regardless, they at least think they exist.
Let me ask you this, then
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:02PM EST (link)What do your feminist friends think of Sarah Palin? Honestly?
That's a really good question
leftylurker (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:07PM EST (link)See, I actually think that women like Sarah Palin are the ultimate incarnation of feminism.
I got into a discussion at a party with one of my wife’s friends. She’s a photography instructor at Wayne State University, and an older-school feminist.
I’ll concede that a LOT of self described feminists, this women included, don’t like Sarah Palin and never will, and I’ll agree with you that they should take her more seriously.
When we first started talking, she was totally against then Governor Palin, but by the end of the conversation I had convinced her otherwise.
Here’s why. Sarah Palin is the daughter of feminism that then can grow up and reject it. I think the other commentator is right that the feminists you don’t like were VITAL in creating a country where Sarah Palin could be a governor and a VP nominee. But, that need has passed, and Sarah Palin is free to do and believe what she chooses.
Am I making sense here?
Yes, you are making sense
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:27PM EST (link)But I guess we disagree on the definition of “feminism”. I have three daughters, so to me ensuring that they can be whatever they are qualified to me is simply American, and fair, and not relegated to the advances of “feminism” per se. The myth of the feminists that they saved women from abuse, exploitatation and men is exactly that – a myth.
America (at least pre-Obama), had a national desire and momentum toward change, and achievement and progress. Women were headed in the direction they find themselves in now, with or without the “feminists” I have encountered.
Good for you for actually trying to talk about Sarah Palin in terms of her true feminism. And very brave, as well.
My wife (when she was peering over my shoulder for this one)...
Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 5:19PM EST (link)…noted in passing that there’s at least three generations of feminists that we’re talking about here. Stage One would be the Susan B Anthony generation of suffragettes and so forth; Stage Two would be the Sixties-Eighties gender feminists; and Stage Three is the current ideological mix of gender, equality, income, and whatnot feminists (I should note that she’s not really in agreement with this article).
I think that there’s general agreement that Stage One was a positive and necessary adjustment of societal attitudes; the issue is how much in the spirit of Stage One was Stage Two; which elements of Stage Three are net positives for society; and whether or not conservatives who don’t like feminists don’t like all feminists, or just subsets of Stage Two and Stage Three.
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aesthete (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 5:29PM EST (link)You could probably split it into even more stages if you considered the tumultuous history of feminism during the Depression and WWII, though that in and of itself is another discussion (and one that I, unfortunately, don’t have the requisite knowledge to be a part of).
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I see your wife's points, Moe
Lori Ziganto (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 5:31PM EST (link)“”whether or not conservatives who don’t like feminists don’t like all feminists, or just subsets of Stage Two and Stage Three.”"
I use the term Feminist as it means to me today, thus the wording “Non-Feminist”. I usually use “sneer quotes” around the word “Feminist” because the term has been bastardized by the left. N.O.W “Feminists” and the like, are Faux Feminists. They don’t care about women, they don’t respect women, they don’t wish to empower women; they have a political agenda and that’s all.
True Feminists believe in TRUE choice and understand that women ARE different. In a very good way.
Also, I should clarify that I’m obviously NOT saying that all women should like (or dislike) the things that I do. *I* don’t like spiders, totally fine if you don’t mind them and I don’t think I implied otherwise. *I* don’t like Math, *I* don’t like mechanical-y thingies. Kudos to you, if you do. But I don’t believe that I should be made to think that I *should* like such things or else I’m giving women a “bad name”. Why? I’m me. That’s all.
The general sentiments as pertain to allowing people to admit that women and men ARE different, that it’s a good thing and the fact that I believe that all women should have TRUE choice, including not being made to feel inferior if they choose to stay home and raise a family or if they “Cling” to Life, applies to all.
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That is an interesting delineation about feminists.
penguin2 (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 6:57PM EST (link)I see my thoughts about feminists as a separation of the radical feminists from the general feminists movement. To me the radical feminists essentially hijacked the movement and moved it to the opposite extreme. The movement can be viewed as a continuum.
The restrictions on women and their lives I would place on the right end of the line. Until the late 19th century and early 20th. century, women were held back and not allowed to develop their intellectual abilities. Women were barred from higher education including becoming physicians. As the movement progressed, positive results occurred.
The radicalization of the movement in the 60 &70′s took the women’s movement to the far left end of the continuum. Johnwheelwright above is is devoid of facts if he can say women are not given a hard time for being a stay at home mom, or even to wanting children. The Hollywood elitist and the changes in our culture minimize the ideas of family, home and hearth. Just saying.
Anyway, back to my continuum. I see myself as somewhere in the middle, leaning right. It really boils down to a woman being free to make whatever choices she wants to, but also not to live with regret later on for the choices she made. This would be the true freedom and equality of opportunity that I believe is an essential part of our lives today.
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Well said, Penguin, and I can agree with
Lori Ziganto (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 7:24PM EST (link)your synopsis of the Feminist movement. The movement and the very term have been hi-jacked and have little in common with the original usage. The N.O.W. feminist is almost the antithesis of what TRUE feminism is/should be.
You summed it up rather well.
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Precisely, Jack
Lori Ziganto (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 3:44PM EST (link)And, yes, I’ve met “feminists”. Many have linked to my blog and have left comments calling me names and insulting me. So much for individual choices!
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Wow, you know your wife. Impressive.
Bill S (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 3:49PM EST (link)Now you have a sample set of one. I’ll bet all the people you knew voted for McGovern, too.
Now I assume since you knew enough on how to post here, you’ll also know enough on how to use Google. Or maybe not. Nonetheless, if you go to Google and enter a search argument, you’ll find information! And if you use it for that, you’ll find plenty of examples of feminists who denigrate stay-at-home motherhood.
Just to help you out (because I’m a helpful kind of guy), here’s one: Linda Hirshman:
http://www.reason.com/news/show/33291.html
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And congratulations
johnwheelwright Monday, August 10th at 4:12PM EST (link)You, too, have located a sample set of one.
Look, there is a rather vibrant and diverse academic community of feminists, and it would be silly to deny that there are ANY self-defined feminists out there who don’t have fringe views, much like any other broad-based community. There are femiinsts who think that capitalism is a fundamentally unjust economic system. There are feminists who think that every man is a potential rapist. There are feminists who think that traditional Betty Freidan second wave feminism is inherently racist. And, of course, there are feminists who think that a woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. That doesn’t mean that these peoples’ views represent either a current concensus of thought among activist feminists, or a majority view among those who view themselves as feminists under the actual dictionary definition.
You said you didn't know any
Bill S (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:37PM EST (link)I provided you one. Now you know one. And I must have overestimated your ability to use Google. You’ll just have to proceed through life in ignorance.
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what do you think of conservatives?...nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:40PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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"...there is a rather vibrant and diverse academic community of feminists..."
aesthete (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:44PM EST (link)No, there’s not. Truly emancipated women are too busy actually doing something beneficial for the world to waste their time on trivialities such as “gender relations” and the like. That domain is left to the dull, unoriginal liberal mouthpieces who permeate the halls of universities everywhere, and who make it their mission to uniformly tarnish the good name of the housewife, the practical capitalist, and other gender/class enemies who oppose them with tireless, albeit less than inspiring, dedication and effort.
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I am a feminist and I help young women all the time...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:05PM EST (link)I help them to realize their value in society that they are to work hard and study hard to become whatever they choose to be. That America is great in that it recognizes a problem ie: the vote and fixes it. That no matter what a liberal tells them that if they get up each day and work their hardest that they will get the top pay and the top position that they individually are worthy of. That a job given based on sex or color does not mean you are the best at that job that you are just another affirmative action pick. I want all women to love themselves enough to decide that sex with anyone is when they decide it should happen and NOT because liberalism says you are free to give it away and somehow it empowers you…IT DOESN”T it just allows the old FREAKS like Hefner to have to 19 year olds to get theirs. I help them to understand that a baby conceived is not only theirs to decide what to do with but is also the mans that he is as important to their decision and I want them to know that the baby just might be the scientist who cure’s cancer!
Your idea of a feminist is based on your pathetic liberalism it is NOT what real feminism is. I hold Sarah Palin up to the true ideal of a feminist because she has done everything she wanted in life and she did with her husband and family at her side. You see what you don’t realize and liberals always get wrong is that the WAR was won and now it is time to sit back and enjoy the fruits of that labor but to do that would be the death knell of these old bitter bitties who need to make a buck of off the bones of the picked clean carcass of N.O.W.!
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I should have just sent Jack to your comment Jaded
leftylurker (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:08PM EST (link)well said.
thx lefty!...nt
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You rock, Jaded!
Lori Ziganto (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:42PM EST (link)nt
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Indeed nt
aesthete (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:48PM EST (link)The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Jaded I thought the vote was a bad thing
mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 6:50PM EST (link)that it was just a way to divide the family?
You thought that women getting the right to vote was a bad thing?....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 7:24PM EST (link)please tell me I am reading you wrong. I will hold my comment until you answer!
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Yes I thought the goal of it was to divide the family
mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 10:28PM EST (link)like husbands and wives. I’ve read arguments against it and I didn’t disagree wtih them, like things that Chesterton wrote. I’m not prepared to make a case against it though on here.
Okey-dokey...
aesthete (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:09PM EST (link)“Feminists got you the vote. They opened the nation’s elite universities to women. They pushed for laws against domestic violence, and to protect women and children from sexual exploitation. They pushed to expanded access to birth control and to increase funding for research and treatment of breast and cervical cancer.”
And promptly after that, they became the marginalized “Women’s Studies Department” feminists of yore who push for copious amounts of government intervention in the interest of “equity” while tarring anyone who disagrees with “choice”, “opportunity”, or any policy espoused by progressives as chauvinists. If your wife doesn’t espouse that brand of feminism, good on her, but “your wife” is not the majority of feminists in public venues. Rather, the view that I’ve expressed is the norm in that group.
Oh and BTW, I stopped caring about what feminists think when they started attacking conservative women who’ve “made it” and holding their fire on progressives who have a history of being demeaning towards women.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Well said, aesthete
Lori Ziganto (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:39PM EST (link)Bears repeating:
“”Oh and BTW, I stopped caring about what feminists think when they started attacking conservative women who’ve “made it” and holding their fire on progressives who have a history of being demeaning towards women.”"
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There goes Elizabeth Cady Stanton.
Menlo (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:53PM EST (link)Apparently, Susan B. Anthony doesn’t qualify either.
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johnwheel I understand
mom2oneson (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 6:48PM EST (link)I’m glad you posted too. I can’t type out a whole thing but I totally get what you are saying and I’m glad you posted. It kind of annoys me to the way women will take a stance against feminism in blanket statements but would jump on anyone suggesting their daughters only go to college for anything except teaching or nursing and never leave home until they are married.
So why do they protest beauty pageants?
LISA BULLOCK-HOCK (Diary) Tuesday, August 11th at 5:38AM EST (link)Pageants are forums for women to show off their beauty and compete with it. Why do organizations like NOW protest the Miss USA pageant. Here is what you said:
“I’ve never met a feminist who said women can’t wear dresses, or be feminine or sexy. Or that women can’t be hit on or admired for their looks. The notion that feminists are all chubby, humorless, protolesbians in sensible shoes is pure invention.”
HUH????
“Nobody actually cares about your uterus. Feminists care about women being able to have control over their own reproductive systems.”
Hard core feminazi’s liken pregnancy to slavery and advocate that it should be a woman’s choice to kill her unborn child because of that fact alone. Pregnancy is not slavery–that is what our reproductive organs are for, but they seem to lack that understanding.
It is like they take no joy in being a woman–and want to make sure no one else enjoys it either.
Cut, Cap, and Balance–Imagine that, living within your means. What a concept
Actually, it's quite the opposite
johnwheelwright Monday, August 10th at 3:56PM EST (link)The right would have a limited audience if it portrayed feminists honestly, as the broad cross-section of men and women who believe that women should have the same opportunities as men, instead of as the “barren, wretched, joyless shrews” you need them to be in order to belittle them.
I’m sure we can all find feminists who fit your mold, just as we can still find Jesse Helms style republicans if we go looking for them. That doesn’t make either a representative majority.
The dictionary definition of femist is “SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES IN SOCIAL, POLITICAL, AND ECONOMIC EQUALITY OF THE SEXES.” If you’re going to contend that lefists inappropriately influenced that definition, and that it is not you who is redefining the term to serve your argument, go to town. But given the actual definition, a CBS poll in 2005 resulted in 65% of women defining themselves as feminists.
And yes, I have boith met and dated many, many feminsts. Womens’ studies majors. Radical feminists, postmodern feminists. I married a proud feminist (not just a strong woman) And not a one fits the description you provide.
Whatever you say, buddy
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:00PM EST (link)You stick with Maureen Dowd, I prefer Sarah Palin.
Just one question – how many children do you have? How many do you and your proud feminist wife plan on having?
You can have both
johnwheelwright Monday, August 10th at 4:04PM EST (link)I have no use for either Palin or Dowd. Though at least Palin is a never ending source of amusement.
I’m not sure what the number of children we have has to do with anything, but we currently have one and would like another.
Ah, very nice
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:18PM EST (link)“Though at least Palin is a never ending source of amusement.”
So that’s what you think of a woman who dares achieve political success without having to ignore the indiscretions of her man? Actually does something on her own? Is an actual feminist instead of a pretend one? Thought so.
You can prattle on about how not a single one of the thousands of woman’s studies majors you dated doesn’t fit the description set forth, but I don’t believe it for a minute. I live near Chapel Hill, NC, and for every “feminist” you show me that fits your description, I’ll show you a hundred that fit mine.
As far as how children fit into things, believe me, they do. For example, does your wife work, or does she stay home to care for your child? When you have two, will that change? Here is the point – someone who calls herself a “proud feminist” is likely to have much more in common with Sarah Palin (no matter how much you want to mock her) than what the left parades before us as a “feminist”, ie: Maureen Dowd. Unless you are arguing that the left does not regard Dowd, Clinton, et al as feminists….
Sarah Palin
johnwheelwright Monday, August 10th at 4:40PM EST (link)Is, no doubt, accomplished. She is a skilled politician and a charismatic figure. That does not make her, per se, a feminists. The fact that feminists argue in favor of women being able to accomplish whatever they set their mind to doesn’t thereby mean that anyone who accomplishes what they set their mind to is a feminist. She is an example of someone who accomplished something on her own because of the doors feminism knocked down. Again, doesn’t make her a feminist. Frankly, though, I have no idea if Sarah Palin is a feminist or not. I suspect, given her anti-abortion views, that she is not. But I don’t know what many of her other views are, and I don’t know that ones’ views on a single topic can define whether or not someone is a feminist.
Nor does that fact that my wife may have much in common with Sarah Palin argue in favor of Sarah Palin being a feminist. My wife is not a feminist because she is an accomplished working mother. She is a feminist because she believes that women should get equal pay for equal work, should have control over their own reproductive choices, have a right not to be sexually harassed or discriminated against in the workplace and because she would like to see things like more generous maternity and paternity leave become more the norm in this country.
As for Maureen Dowd, I’ll have to take your word on what the left parades out as a feminist and whether she’s one. I don’t speak for the left, and I’ve never viewed Dowd as anything more than a bit of a whack-job.
The glaring contradictions of your posts
aesthete (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:47PM EST (link)Are starting to annoy me. First, you say that feminists are a diverse lot, and then backpedal to use the colloquial definition of feminism to state that Sarah Palin is not a feminist. I’m sure I could find more to pick at if I were trying, but I’ll leave it at that.
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Sorry you are annoyed
johnwheelwright Monday, August 10th at 5:02PM EST (link)But reading what I actually write might help you some:
“I have no idea if Sarah Palin is a feminist or not”
And by the way, saying a group is diverse does not mean that all things fit into it. I get that nuance might not be your thing.
Let me break it down for you
aesthete (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 5:23PM EST (link)“That does not make her, per se, a feminists. The fact that feminists argue in favor of women being able to accomplish whatever they set their mind to doesn’t thereby mean that anyone who accomplishes what they set their mind to is a feminist.”
Contrast it with this statement:
“The dictionary definition of femist is ‘SOMEONE WHO BELIEVES IN SOCIAL, POLITICAL, AND ECONOMIC EQUALITY OF THE SEXES.’ ” (Emphasis not mine)
Sarah Palin aspired to both the highest electoral office in Alaska (which she subsequently attained) and the second-highest executive office in the nation, all while balancing her family commitments. Using simple reasoning, it’s clear that she is absolutely a feminist under the latter definition (she wouldn’t be running for those offices if she believed in “male hegemony”, now would she?), and that she “might not be” applying the newer one. The pseudo litmus test on abortion that you establish for feminism (“I suspect, given her anti-abortion views, that she is not [a feminist].”) is particularly egregious. But then, critical reasoning isn’t for everyone, I suppose.
Man, troll-whacking is fun!
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And why should I pay for your wife to be a mama?
Tbone (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 5:08PM EST (link)“she would like to see things like more generous maternity and paternity leave become more the norm in this country”
Also, I don’t think a woman has to believe in infanticide to be a feminist. Seems a rather harsh requirement.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Ah, so prolife women don't get to be feminists.
Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 5:08PM EST (link)God, I’d love to meet the people who decided to warp American society so that it fulfilled every expectation of adolescent males.
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Martin Knight (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 5:34PM EST (link)So you’re taking Sarah Palin being pro-life as evidence that she does not believe in women getting equal pay for equal work and in favor of sexual harassment and discrimination in the workplace?
Wow …
Thanks so much
Jack_Savage (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 9:44PM EST (link)You made my points so much better than I ever could.
Face it – you and your wife are just run-of-the-mill liberals, busy excluding all women who don’t share your warped view of what a “real” feminist should be (like the sickening pro-abortion litmus test you apply).
Thanks for clearing that up.
The mobyness is beginning to show.
Bill S (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:39PM EST (link)My mobydar is quite sensitive. It’s starting to peg out on you, pal.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
I thought a moby
johnwheelwright Monday, August 10th at 4:43PM EST (link)was someone who came in pretending to be a republican, and complained, as a supposed conservative, about something conservatives were supposedly doing.
But, ya know, whatever, I have no doubt that you will find some way that my entering the debate violates the TOS.
I think you fall under the general jackarse clause....
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:57PM EST (link)but I don’t have a rule book handy.
Oh and feminism is a crutch for the self loathing.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
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Thank you,johnwheelright
Lori Ziganto (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:41PM EST (link)For proving one of my points, the way “feminists” and the Left look down upon successful, Feminine and attractive Mothers, when you said this:
“”“Though at least Palin is a never ending source of amusement.””"
Much appreciated!
Also known as SnarkandBoobs
You could have saved the time you used in writing this screed and just said
aesthete (Diary) Monday, August 10th at 4:18PM EST (link)YOU’RE DOOOOOMED!!! (And it’s all the Jews’ fault
)
But hey, free country and all that jazz.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
There is a difference between rhetoric and reality
Beaglescout (Diary) Tuesday, August 11th at 4:33PM EST (link)In their public speeches the gender-quota fascists who call themselves “feminists” praise equality of opportunity and freedom and liberty and every conservative value. But where the rubber meets the road they agitate for quotas that replace equality of opportunity with anti-male bigotry, discriminatory laws that crush freedom, laws and taxes to stop you from driving the car you want where you want to drive it, laws and taxes that punish personal behavior they dislike (such as smoking, or owning a gun), and in divorce laws that punish both ex-husbands and ex-wives with equal poverty, equal misery, and incalculable emotional damage to their children. Feminism is just another current of the Marxist class war intent on destroying society and replacing it with a fascist omnipotent state that shrives all the humanity from men and women and turns everyone into perfected, robotic post-human beings. It is foul beyond measuring and I hate it. You should too.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
just another madwoman
moebadderman Monday, August 10th at 11:13PM EST (link)Lori_Z wrote:
>> I enjoy being able to cry and win an argument by default.
>> I like being able to use my hormones as an excuse for
>> acting like a shrew and a mad harpie a few days a month.
>> I don’t like math. Icky. Oh, so icky.
None of that makes you Conservative or Anti-Feminist.
It makes you something else — something with whom no man in his right mind (which we all must admit is a scarcity) would want to be in the same room — something I am thankful is not in my house.
Have a nice day.
It's called wry and observational humor
aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, August 11th at 5:22PM EST (link)This ain’t a biography for cryin’ out loud.
Man, this post has really brought the trolls out of the woodworks
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
L0L @ "wry and observational"
moebadderman Sunday, December 26th at 1:14AM EST (link)#”this post has really brought the trolls out”
Indeed.
it's called descriptive
moebadderman Monday, September 14th at 1:28AM EST (link)Aesthete [L0L -- riiight] wrote:
“this post has really brought the trolls out of the woodworks”
Evidently so. You call it “wry and observational”, I call it descriptive, and you’re calling *me* a troll?? Get back under your bridge.