Nelson Caves; McConnell Strategy Fails


It was never about abortion.  For Sen. Ben Nelson, a devout appropriator, it was all about the benjamins.  In exchange for a “compromise” that forces federal taxpayers to fund abortion, the supposedly pro-life senator from Nebraska will receive a permanent earmark to pay for all future Medicaid increases in his state.  In short, taxpayers across America are now on the hook for abortions in New York and Medicaid cost overruns in Nebraska.  Somewhere Sen. Landrieu is cursing herself for being such a cheap, early date.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle in the Senate, Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has continued his war of words against the bill.  Unfortunately for the vast majority of Americans who overwhelmingly oppose the government-run health care plan and the future generations who will have to pay for it, actions speak louder than words, and in that department Sen. McConnell has come up woefully short yet again.

Recall that from the outset, Sen. McConnell and his merry band of lieutenants settled on a “messaging” strategy with regard to the health care bill.  Under this strategy, Sen. McConnell used feckless amendments and nothing else to demonstrate that the bill was bad, as if voters across the country hadn’t already demanded that he kill the bill.  While Sen. McConnell fiddled, Reid happily chipped away at dissent within his own ranks and adopted amendment after amendment after amendment that bought Reid extra time and improved the bill in the eyes of his holdouts.

Today is the culmination of Sen. McConnell’s strategy.  And before anyone is tempted to absolve him of any blame, recall the following hagiographic article that was placed and circulated by Sen. McConnell’s press staff nearly two weeks ago: Skillful McConnell leads GOP opposition to health bill.

If McConnell’s history of having filibustered hundreds of measures over the years and the GOP’s voting pattern in the 111th Congress are any indications of what to expect during the health care debate, Kentucky’s senior senator will use every weapon in his arsenal to draw out the process as long as possible.

If only.  To date, the only parliamentary tactics the minority leader has used are those that cannot affect the outcome.  Take, for example, today’s forced reading of Reid’s newest package of amendments to the health care legislation.  If in theory it took 10 years to read every word of the recently introduced amendment, it would do nothing to stop the health care bill because Reid has already “started the clock” on a series of cloture motions.  These motions will ripen and take precedence over all pending business, including the forced reading of the Reid amendment.  Sen. McConnell’s “tactic” is form over substance, and nothing more than a desperate attempt to get credit for doing something at the last minute to prevent passage of the bill.

I have zero doubt that in the coming days, the minority leader will say that he did all he could.  That it was a moral victory to hold all Republicans (if a few don’t bail once the outcome is certain).  Coaches should not be praised as brilliant tacticians just because their players didn’t kick the ball into their own goal.  Such talk is the talk of losers.  It is akin to claiming a moral victory for beating the spread, but not beating the opponent.  Americans do not send their representatives to Washington to beat the spread.  They send them to Washington to preserve their freedom and liberty, both of which will be significantly limited upon passage of the current legislation.

I hesitate to single out the minority leader, especially given his work in the past to require continued funding of our troops overseas, but a time for reckoning has come.  Under his watch, the number of Senate Republicans has dwindled from 55 to 40.  The Senate GOP campaign arm has taken to endorsing liberals like Charlie Crist and Arlen Specter over proven conservatives like Marco Rubio and Pat Toomey who have demonstrated an ability to win elections in tough states.  And today, it appears as though Reid and his colleagues have finally figured out how to take complete control of our economy and our relationships with our doctors.

It is time for Republican lawmakers in Washington and Republican voters all over America to ask themselves the following question:  when it comes to legislative leadership, is this the best we can do?



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Nothing's failed until the bill has passed

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 1:49PM EST (link)

It’s one thing to sound the alarm, but let’s not tell the troops that the war is lost when we need them fighting the hardest.

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“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

5. Defeatism fuels defeat. (nt)

Third Street (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 1:56PM EST (link)

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555555555

jonbingham (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:02PM EST (link)

Crush them with our Christmas week response. Keep up the pressure!

It is amazing how every significant step forward has to be done on a weekend or late at night hoping we won’t hear about it. Now they are trying to have the fateful vote occur on Christmas Eve or Day. Amazing.

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Plan B?

rodney_robbins (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:20PM EST (link)

I pray this isnt over yet. However, should the House and Senate succeed in passing a healthcare travesty, can it be undone if the 2010 elections put conservatives back in control?

Rod in Oregon

Not likely at all

jonbingham (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:09PM EST (link)

In the Senate, what takes only 41 votes to stop will require 60 votes to reverse. When do you think we will get 60 conservatives in the Senate?

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Please Stop Peddling This Line

IJB Saturday, December 19th at 3:14PM EST (link)

There are many ways to stop something, including defunding it. None of you are peddling this line helping by acting like passing this is a fail accompli and we’re all doomed from here on in.

I’d rather beat it now. But it’s not impossible to repeal/destroy it if it should pass.

When has that happened?

Kyle-MI (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:18PM EST (link)

When has that ever happened in the past? Show me and I will have hope.

Isn't that what happened to school vouchers for DC?

jeffreywturner (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:08PM EST (link)

Didn’t the Dems just pull the plug on funding for the DC school vouchers?

“Life is too short, can’t we all just eat pork and kill some terrorists?”

 
 
 
 

It could

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:30PM EST (link)

It would be another fight though.

Better to win this one than to have to fight another day.

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We'd have to fight another day anyway...

MacAoidh (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 7:18PM EST (link)

….for 70 years we’ve been beating left-wing scumbags back on socialized medicine and they’re still trying to impose it.

Yes, it’s better to win this fight.



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Agree in principles but what do the troops do when the Generals won't engage the battle? nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:26PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Well, that's the advantage we have over the armed forces, Ace

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:30PM EST (link)

We can select new generals :-)

Which is why you, me, and a whole bunch of other pissed off conservatives are now engaged in the grassroots process like never before.

Two words: Precinct Committeemen (quick, someone let ColdWarrior in on this :-)

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

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Making excuses is not an option (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:58PM EST (link)

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5555+ Neil! The bill hasn't been voted on yet.

Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 11:20AM EST (link)

Melt the switchboards/fax machines/servers.

But if we should go down, we should go down swinging. Leave a great paper trail for the next election.

To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher

 
 
 
 

No surprise here!

Crimefyter Saturday, December 19th at 1:52PM EST (link)

This is the same McConnell that ignored our calls, letters and faxes back when the bailout votes were being conducted. He eventually caved. Epic fail then, epic fail now!

McConnell still faces 60 to 40

bobbymike (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:14PM EST (link)

there is only so much he can do, we are being a bit too hard on him. So what do people want him to do yell really load or say I really REALLY don’t like the bill. The Democrats still would have 60 votes.

Also, if the latest polls show 61% against the bill then I guess we have to admit the messaging strategy worked. Are we going to argue if McConnell did more it would be 63% against? Would that have stopped the bill? NOPE!!

If this bill passes then we can say without hyperbole that the Democrats have declared war on the American people and vote them out in 2010.

There was a lot he could have done...

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:34PM EST (link)

offer wedge amendments that would ignite internecine warfare amongst the Democrats…drag out negotiations on how bills would be presented and debated on the floor, objecting to unanimous consent requests, making quorum calls on mundane issues and amendments, forcing vote after vote on everything done in the Senate…Coburn showed what could be done by forcing the Sanders amendment to be read…something I’ve called on them to do for months…yet he is right now standing by and allowing amendments to be debated and adopted without being red to a bill no-one has ever seen let alone read!

He could be doing something if his heart was in it…but it’s obviously not!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 

He can blow the bridges, that's what he can do.

smagar (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:40PM EST (link)

there is only so much he can do, we are being a bit too hard on him

He has LOTS of parliamentary weapons he can employ. Will they generate waves of agita? No doubt. Will they damage, perhaps permanently, the collegial debating society that is the Senate? Wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

But, if you’re faced with two bad choices—-generating agita in the Senate VS giving Obamacare a real chance to become law—-you pick the worst of the two bad choices.

Senator McConnell, as someone who’s supported you on these boards for a while now—-in case you’ve misunderstood, I am NOT repeat NOT willing to sit by and watch you allow American healthcare to be damaged, simply so you can keep a chummy atmosphere in the Senate.

If you ask us if we’re willing to see the Senate paralyzed, in order to stop this bill—-YES YES YES.

We are expecting you to blow the bridges when the time comes. Got it???

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

Whether smagar is right or not,

Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:12PM EST (link)

a better leader than McConnell could keep the Senators from Maine in line, and convince Joe Lieberman to follow through on principles he knows are right. Right. RIGHT. RIGHT!!!!!!!!!!

We are RIGHT in our position on this health care disaster–a good competent leader could convince his own party members (and an Independent) of this and that they should stick with it.

My comments from elsewhere:

I just saw a clip of Mitch McConnell speaking about the health care disaster. He made several great points about what is wrong with it. He also gave a great example of not-compelling.

NTTAWWT, unless you’re in a position of party leadership trying to overcome the force of the Obama.

No wonder Republicans get scant airtime except to be ridiculed.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 

smagar - we may have had some differences of

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:19PM EST (link)

opinion in the past re: the best way to move toward conservatism and deal w/the ‘moderate’ wing of the GOP, but you are absolutely, IMHO, spot on in this. There may be some differences of opinion amongst Republicans/conservatives as to which hills are worth dying on, but, as you so eloquently put it, if you ain’t willing to die on this one, then what hill *are* you willing to die on.

5s all around!

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

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Thanks, eburke, for the kind words. We are 100% in agreement...

smagar (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:42PM EST (link)

If Mitch McConnell and other GOP Senators want to preserve the dignity and collegiality of the Senate—OK….IF they can pay my medical bills, and yours, and everyone else’s in this country, from here on out. Otherwise…

If, somehow, they’ve convinced themselves that I will willingly pay much higher medical insurance premiums, so that they can keep calling each other “My good friend,” then they have dreadfully miscalculated.

They asked to be Senators. OK—be Senators. Use the weapons the Constitution, Senate rules and tradition give you.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

Bravo!! Bravo!! (whistling, stomping feet, cheering wildly)

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:49PM EST (link)

Or, to be more dignified:

5!

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

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And 5 again.

rec0n Saturday, December 19th at 8:16PM EST (link)

We need warriors in DC. We have for years. Perhaps 2010 that dream will finally come true, but until then these old dogs MUST use the tricks they have available. All of them.

 
 

Preach it brother Smagar...Methinks thou hast found religion nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:30PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Yes, Pastor Ace---if Team McConnell lays down on this one...

smagar (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 8:55AM EST (link)

I’ll be ready to wade into the river and be baptized.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

Hope you're ready to get wet brother...nt

AceInTX (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 3:06PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 

For once we're on the same page Smagar nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:28PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 

Stupak working behind scenes w/GOP to

redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 1:52PM EST (link)

derail the bill.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1209/30811.html


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No problem.

NightTwister (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:14PM EST (link)

The House Bill is the one that comes out of Committee. There’s 50 votes in the Senate for that version, and we already know there’s enough votes in the House. Nelson, Lieberman & Landreiu scream about having their goodies taken away and vote no. The final bill still gets 55 votes in the Senate and goes to Obama to sign.

The Senate bill was never intended to be the final version. It was just political cover so they could get past cloture.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

Goody. Then we get the worst of all possible bills. nt

redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:21PM EST (link)

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Game.Set.Match. NT. Unfortunately our feckless GOP

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:26PM EST (link)

leadership couldn’t, wouldn’t or didn’t want to figure that out.

This has always been about providing cover for mod Dems and they are either too stupid to have seen or they knew it from day one and just played the game.

My money? It’s on the latter.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

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They still need 60 on the conference report

WarEagle01 (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:34PM EST (link)

Not saying it’s going to happen, but conference reports can be filibustered.

“A wise, doughy leg with rich tingly experiences will always reach better conclusions than will a more tanned, muscular leg that hasn’t felt those thrills.” –Chris Matthews’ Leg

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if there is a conference...if the house passes the Senate bill as is...there is no conference as I understand it nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:55PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 

I think that's our only chance to stop it.

Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:07PM EST (link)

Otherwise, maybe the “worst of all possible bills” would be the best thing for us, thereby infuriating the voters and helping put us in a position to repeal it in toto.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

I'd rather not take my chances on that...Name for me one time Republicans have repealed a single bad Democrat billnt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:31PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Nor would I. nt

Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 11:10PM EST (link)

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 
 
 

To say nothing that Stupac can do nothing if the house votes and passes the Senate Bill as is right? nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:54PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

I think Pelosi already said they weren't doing that. [nt]

Bill S (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:16PM EST (link)

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Discussed yesterday...

Bill S (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:19PM EST (link)

here:

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/72939-white-house-not-expecting-to-play-ping-pong-with-health-bill

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

 

I hope that's right...maybe there is hope because if they conference it...there are two more opportunities to kill itnt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:33PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 

AMEN..perfectly stated

fpete13527 (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 1:53PM EST (link)

Great post Sean. The current GOP are radically lacking in anything even close to what it will take to turn back and take back the country.

They have been less then weak from the start of the election. This needs to change yesterday

There are good people and not so good people

bobbymike (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:38PM EST (link)

in the GOP. They are facing a Democrat president and huge Democrat majorities in the House and Senate.

Seeing that this is a representative democratic republic, what would you have the GOP do? Yell really really loud?

I think the anger towards any in the GOP is misplaced. THE DEMOCRATS ARE DOING this whether we like it or not, THAT IS WHO TO BE ANGRY AT.

It is akin to being mad at the American Soldiers at Pearl Harbor, “They should have done more to stop the Japanese”

It is the Democrats fault and election 2010 will be their Nagasaki

Well, bobbymike, they SHOULD have...

smagar (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:47PM EST (link)

done more to stop the Japanese, don’t you think? Especially the generals and admirals overseeing the Pearl Harbor defenses and running the War Department in Washington.

Yes, the GOP is outgunned, but they still have weapons.

Let’s say they refuse unanimous consent and insist that all the bills be read. So what if the Senate Dems and the MSM freak out.

Mitch McConnell can then go to a microphone and read off all the goodies Harry Reid has just doled out.

He can then call the bill an abomination, and justify throwing sand in the Senate’s gears based on that. I’ll bet a majority of Americans will agree with that.

More to the point, I think many, many Americans will be distressed with the GOP if they don’t use the tools at their disposal to stop this bill.

What will the GOP’s defense be? That they didn’t want to permanently damage the collegiality of the Senate? I’m supposed to watch my healthcare being trashed for THAT? Oh no no no no no…

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

My point is mainly

bobbymike (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:07PM EST (link)

let’s not forget the real enemy is the Democrats and the left. All 40 Rep. Senators are voting Nea all 60 Dems are voting Yea.

I would rather we focus our energy of defeating the TRUE enemies of the country.

All these attack Republican threads are disheartening to me. Saying over and over McConnell should have done this or that or some other thing DOES NOT take away the fact the we are being run by Marxists bent on the destruction of the Republic.

 
 
 
 

I think McConnell should have used a scorched-earth program...

MacAoidh (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 1:55PM EST (link)

…to fight this bill; I won’t argue with that.

But at the end of the day, there really wasn’t anything McConnell could have done to defeat this thing. He only had 40 votes. With 41 votes he would have won.

They could have delayed it some, sure. But when Al Franken and ACORN stole Norm Coleman’s seat in Minnesota and when Arlen S.P.E.C.T.R.E. turned his coat, it was over.

And when you have whores like Ben Nelson and Mary Landrieu willing to tell their constituents F-YOU in exchange for federal swag and a majority leader in Harry Reid who knows he’s deader than Elvis come the next election, ultimately this was always going to happen.

Could McConnell have built a better Alamo? Yeah. I won’t argue with that. But this was always going to be the Alamo. It’s up to us to make sure that in 11 months we have the Battle Of San Jacinto.



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555. (nt)

Third Street (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 1:59PM EST (link)

“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”

Third street. . .

earlgrey (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:10PM EST (link)

what does 555 mean?

"5" = Great post.

Third Street (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:13PM EST (link)

A holdover from the days when RS used a rating system for posts.

“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”

 
 
 

I respectfully disagree

Sean Davis (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:11PM EST (link)

“But at the end of the day, there really wasn’t anything McConnell could have done to defeat this thing.”

That is absolutely false, and that lack of imagination is exactly what led us into the current situation. The Senate Rules are a gold mine for those willing to dig deep enough. Our leadership decided to not get their shovels dirty.

Those are delaying tactics, and while I would have...

MacAoidh (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:18PM EST (link)

…liked to see more, they would not have altered the fundamental calculus – namely that the other side has 60 votes and we have 40.

And those delaying tactics don’t come without costs. I support their use, but you do give the other guy ammunition when you use them.



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Exactly right. 60 to 40 can't be ignored.

garbear Saturday, December 19th at 2:26PM EST (link)

Last time I checked Mitch McConnell does not live in AR, LA, MT, NC, IN, ND, WV, or VA. The people of those conservative states sent liberal senators to the Senate. In 2006 and 2008 the American people voted overwhelmingly Democrat. Now somehow it’s Mitch McConnell’s fault??? Americans get exactly what they vote for. They voted for it. They got it. Now they get to endure the consequences of those votes.

60 to 40 can't be ignored, but it can be overcome.

smagar (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:51PM EST (link)

“Delaying tactics” are exactly what we need now.

Push this thing into January, then February. The more people know about it, the less they will like it.

Yes, McConnell has a very, very bad hand. But it CAN be a winning hand, if he has the never to play it that way.

Otherwise, we’re all owed a fantastic explanation of how American healthcare can avoid mortal wounds, if this bill were to pass. “Oh well, we tried” isn’t good enough.

Sometimes, you blow up the bridges. This is one of those times.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

Delay, yes. May health care be on the table

redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:45PM EST (link)

at many Christmas celebrations. We are advocates for the cause even if the Senate takes a break.


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Have you stopped to consider the possibility that the Moderate Dems might have been more emboldened had Republicans shown some fight?

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:34PM EST (link)

I mean…why would they go to the mat to kill it if the guys that should be fighing against it showed no inclination to stand against it…

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

IThought there Was No Such Things As Blue Dogs

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:45PM EST (link)

People are all over the place looking for someone to blame. On the one hand, no Dems can be trusted. In fact, RINOS cannot be trusted. All Blue Dogs always vote loyal Dem.

On the other hand, people want to blame McConnell for no winning over the same Blue dogs that everyone swears dont exist and can never be turned.

Never rmind those evil RINOS, who have held the line this time. Does McConnell get any credit for that. Probably not, which makes little sense considering how useless and evil they are, you think it would take some skill keeping them in line.

 

Moderate Democrats? Like who?

MacAoidh (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 7:26PM EST (link)

Scoop Jackson?

He’s friggin’ dead.

There are no moderate Democrats. There are a few WHORES, but I don’t see any moderate Democrats. If you’re going to hang your hat on those people you’re going to be very disappointed.



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Point taken...you have a very good point as does Swamp Yankee nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:36PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 
 
 

You mioss one thing...the far left is working now to kill this pig...

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:25PM EST (link)

Delay…Delay…Delay should be a battle cry from here

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

That was nothing but a ploy...

MacAoidh (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 7:27PM EST (link)

…to make Obama look centrist and help boost his image. The far left’s barking sound and fury, signifying nothing.



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McConnell

Hera Saturday, December 19th at 2:10PM EST (link)

I don’t blame McConnell the Dems have a filibuster proof majority and were willing to do whatever it took to get this phoney “health care” bill passed.They were willing to lie, cheat,steal, bribe, extort,intimidate and ulitimately defy the will of the majority of the American people. You know the ones who actually pay taxes (unlike ACORN members and Dem elites) and fight to keep this country free. Should this bill become law Americans who oppose it need to make sure come 2010 and 2012 that the Dems learn what it means to defy the will of the people.

Why do you think the Democrats are willing to ignore the people?

Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:14PM EST (link)

Doesn’t it seem a bit strange that they are happily ignoring a 2-to-1 majority against this bill?

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

Yeah, amnesty and card check coming soon to a theatre near you. nt

redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:24PM EST (link)

Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

Yes, but it won't overcome a 2-to-1 majority.

Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:38PM EST (link)

Will it?

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

Dunno. "Free" health care + amnesty +

redneck_hippie (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:57PM EST (link)

open borders + forced unionization = a whole lot of communities to organize for america.


Activists Taking Action: Unified Patriots

You could be right.

Flagstaff (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 11:12PM EST (link)

That could be their calculation. Sad. Tragic.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 
 
 
 
 

Nelson didn't cave...he sold.

snowshooze (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:10PM EST (link)

He just realized that the drinks were on the house and got his share.
Possibly, all the other Democrats might consider doing so as well, to the point that this free-for-all bill degrades to the point that even they cannot choke it down.
Any Democratic Senator who doesn’t rip off a chunk for his home state on this one is an idiot.

Yeah, I'm pretty upset my Senators signed on and didn't bring anything home...nt.

NightTwister (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:27PM EST (link)

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

 
 

It is not unreasonable

Mayhem (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:13PM EST (link)

for us to start demanding a new leadership election over this. Universal healthcare is the whole ball game, folks. It always has been. It’s probably what defines and divides our two sides the most. And McConnell didn’t do jack to slow it down. If he won’t play hardball on the most important issue of our time, then he won’t ever play hardball.

It’s time to send out a clarion call for a new GOP leader.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

That says it all methinks

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:41PM EST (link)

If he won’t play hardball on the most important issue of our time, then he won’t ever play hardball.

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

And to think that I was stupid enough to send him

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:39PM EST (link)

some shekels last fall.

Time to ask for another refund and to be taken off another mailing list.

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

 
 
 

The Secretary Shall

texasgalt (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:19PM EST (link)

http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/managers-amendment.pdf

I took a look at the dreadful Manager’s Amendment. What a bunch of convoluted Stalinist dictates . . . just like the main Bill itself. One can bearly make it through the first page without all brain function shutting down.

Through the fog, I was able to grin at the ripe irony of this:

“The Secretary (HHS) and the Secretary of Labor shall jointly develop and issue guidance on best practices of plain language writing.”
– page 49, lines 7-10

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Speechless...nt

USNJIMRET (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:51PM EST (link)
 

As Rush would say...you just can't make this stuff up. (nt)

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:39PM EST (link)

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

 
 

Merry Barackmas America

jeannieology (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:19PM EST (link)

The Obama god gives birth to the death of America

www.jeannie-ology.com

 

Still don't see how it passes

jameshowell Saturday, December 19th at 2:20PM EST (link)

I can’t see the libs in the house voting for the Senate bill without a public option. A conference committee is likely to re-add the public option and weaken abortion restrictions. How does the conference bill get 60 the Senate with a public option and with weaker abortion restrictions? How does the conference bill pass the house without a public option (libs will defeat it) or with weaker abortion restrictions (moderates will defeat it)? And, right now they have 60 — maybe a dem gets snowed in or Byrd is not capable of voting. If they don’t have all 60 present and voting, they can’t get to cloture now.

The war is not yet lost – keep fighting

Pelosi will make her crew vote

earlgrey (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:24PM EST (link)

for the Senate bill.

They Don't Get What They *Need* Out of This With The Senate Bill

IJB Saturday, December 19th at 2:35PM EST (link)

If there’s no Public Option and no Medicare expansion, this is a massive Pyrrhic victory for the Dems.

I don’t get why they are willing to walk the plank for this Senate bill – it literally gets them almost nothing but a 50+ House seat and roughly 10 Senate seat loss.

They don't have to create it outright in the bill

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:17PM EST (link)

someone above just pointed out the enabling provision allowing the director of HHS and the Secretary of Labor will right the regulations…all the rest of the bill is a smoke screen. They doin’t need ti to say much beyond that since the regs will be written and enforced from the HHS and the Dept of Labor

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

ahhh...Secretary of HHS and Secretary of Lobor will WRITE the governing regulations...

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:20PM EST (link)

The rest of the legislation is meant toi lay out the guidlines they must follow…so the more vague and muddled the language the better so the bureaucrats in HHS and Labor can do what they want!

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 
 

How?

jameshowell Saturday, December 19th at 2:36PM EST (link)

The barely passed it before. Now, they have removed the public option and weakened the abortion restrictions. One would think she loses votes on both the righ and left of her party.

 

Agreed. Pelosi will crack the whip

smagar (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:52PM EST (link)

She’ll then tell her progressive colleagues that they’ll fix the bill down the road.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

 
 
 

Shows us we are no longer represented.

eldstenorge Saturday, December 19th at 2:21PM EST (link)

The time has come for us to put our actions where our words are. Our money will soon be worth nothing, it almost isn’t now. Spend it while it is worth something on every single candidate we possibly can send money to, in any state, to defeat every single one of these traitors. They do not care one bit what any of us say. This is the deathknell of freedom in America. If we continue to wait, or want an extra bauble or something, instead of getting our nation back, we are leaving for our posterity nothing but a return the the dark ages when an oligarchy rules, not caring what the public wants, where the rights of man are relegated to nothingness, we need to get Lex Rex out, by Samuel Rutherford, so we can remember and teach others what we are facing. And, remember, NO DEMOCRAT is every worth voting for again. Ben Nelson proved that to all of us today, as Blanche Lincoln and Mary Landrieu proved a few weeks ago. They are all without a moral foundation of a free society.

 

Remember the Bush Justice Dept.

TxCon (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:38PM EST (link)

gave us the fruitless indictment of Ted Stevens. Cost the GOP a Senate seat and then the charges were dropped. Well done guys. Many thanks.

See how much restraint I showed. I never even mentioned the 1 seat

Achance (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:40PM EST (link)

that even people here wanted the Democrats to have. How’s that workin’ out for y’all now?

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Producers need to stop

ashen Saturday, December 19th at 2:50PM EST (link)

Working. The legislature holds itself apart from the repercussions of thier actions. They have created a monarchy enforced by the the police, FBI, and other federal law enforcement agencies. Elections do nothing to change this. STOP WORKING!

Wat (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:03PM EST (link)

RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 
 

And think about the future if this passes

bobbymike (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 2:59PM EST (link)

Domestic spending will grow beyong imagination and there will be no money for national defense.

Enroll your children in Mandarin language classes so they can communicate with our conquerors in 20 years

 

Machiavellian Play?

DavidSage (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:00PM EST (link)

It’s hard to argue that Republicans won’t do better at the ballot box in 2010 if this thing passes.

Did the Republican leadership decide that allowing this bill to be passed would be really good for the Republican Party?

This bill is going to get rid of a lot of red state Democrats, probably for an entire generation. I can think of 10 Senate careers this ends. And once Nelson put himself in the middle of this, and sided with Obama, what do you think the odds are Nebraska reelects Nelson?

This bill is so awful, even outside the Right vs. Left dynamic. Voters who don’t even consider themselves in either the conservative or liberal camp are going to be hostile to it. I’m amazed Democrats made the decision that they wold politically be better off giving Obama a “win” and going home and defending this vote.

I still rather would of seen the bill fail altogether, but maybe the Republican leadership wanted to give themselves a goldmine for 2010 and beyond.

Also, most of what’s in this bill will be reformed or defunded before it even goes into effect. This country is already on the brink of insolvency with a collapsing dollar at hand, so I really don’t see the expansions being funded. I also want to see them enforce making every single American buy health insurance from a private company. It’s never going to happen.

I Can't Figure Out If That's The GOP's Calculation...

IJB Saturday, December 19th at 3:11PM EST (link)

…Or if the Senate GOP leadership just felt (and maybe still feels) that this bill will ultimately fall apart short of passage no matter what they do.

The important thing, right now, that has been accomplished (either with, or without, GOP assistance – it’s hard to tell) is that the most egregious portions of this bill – Public Option and the Medicare buy-in – are out, while other particularly egregious portions (abortion funding, individual mandates, tax increases, massive (porkbarrel) spending) are still in it.

My concern at this point is that this is all theater, and at the last minute, the Dems will substitute Public Option, or perhaps even Bernie Sanders’ entire Single Payer bill, back in at the last minute, but all the Dems pretend it’s just the current “compromise” and vote for it anyway. IOW, the classic ‘Bait & Switch’.

And this point, I think we all need to keep are eyes peeled for the ‘Bait & Switch’ in conference…

 

I have to think that Nelson of Nebraska has decided to retire

smagar (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:54PM EST (link)

Therefore, that makes him bulletproof.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

He might as well, because he's lucky not to get shot...

MacAoidh (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 7:34PM EST (link)

…the next time he goes back there.



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if that was their calculation they haven't helped themselves any by showing no fight at all!

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:27PM EST (link)

nt

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson

Ya gotta wonder how po'd Coburn & DeMint are right

eburke (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:44PM EST (link)

now for being team players and allowing Mitch to once again navigate a disastrous path for the Pubs.

Un.Be.Lievable

“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”

Unified Patriots

Yeah.,..it's time for Coburn and DeMint to become mavericky....nt

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 10:39PM EST (link)
The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

5. If the "plan" all along was to quit when things got uncomforatble...

smagar (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 9:03AM EST (link)

…then it’s not much of a plan, IMO.

I think it’s still possible that Team McConnell will stop this.

BUT, if this bill passes, it needs to be AFTER the Senate GOP has expended all ammunition. Their ammo boxes need to be empty and the rifling in their guns worn smooth from being shot-out.

If Reid and Pelosi do eventually get to carry a Obamacare bill to the WH for signature, they really do need to be forced to step over the (figuratively, of course) bodies of the Senate GOP.

Yesterday, Ace posted a list of things the Senate GOP can do. I expect them to try ALL of them. Yes, you may fail. But you need to try all of them—-PLUS anything else that Senate GOP staffers can think of.

“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)

 
 
 

Too insulated in Washington?

Kyle-MI (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:03PM EST (link)

How angry are people about this pending catastrophe? I know there is almost no hope, but what if…? What if a huge crowd showed up in Washington somewhat on the spur of the moment, the week before Christmas during December. What if we flooded the street with protest. I know they haven’t listened before, but what do we have to loose? We are on the verge of loosing anyway. Yes, we had the organized protest before, but that was while the outcome was still in doubt. If we really think this law will hurt America, shouldn’t we back up our words with action.

 

Moral Relativism and the Shrinking Conservative Base

avgamerican (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:11PM EST (link)

If true conservatives outnumbered progressives we wouldn’t be here in the first place. I think this proves the statistical counter argument. Unprincipled falls under the category of progressive in my book. Nelson wasn’t a true conservative.

 

contact info

proudgop (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:14PM EST (link)

http://healthcare.nrsc.org/action-center/?tr=y&auid=5730304

contact these Dems Senators right now

 

Even if there is no public option in the bill there will be

avgamerican (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:15PM EST (link)

If anyone trusts Harry Reid and his fellow libs to compromise on the issue of public option they are the same dunces that believed Barack Obama was a moderate. It will be in there. As well as abortion and government medical care rationing.

Bayh Contact Numbers

proudgop (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 3:47PM EST (link)

Washington – (202) 224-5623
Indianapolis – (317) 554-0750
Hammond – (219) 852-2763
South Bend – (574) 236-8302
Ft. Wayne – (260) 426-3151
Evansville – (812) 465-6500
Jeffersonville – (812) 218-2317

call all numbers

 

Why do they need the public option when they have the individual mandate?

AceInTX (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:17PM EST (link)

and the enabling language to allow the secretary of HHS and Secretary of Labor to approve the insurance plans that will be allowed to be offered?

The “Big Tent” analogy isn’t the correct one…the correct one is a MAGNET…we need to be a MAGNET that draws these independents in who are sick and tired of what’s going on in WashingtonFred Thompson
 
 

Which Is It

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:00PM EST (link)

Did the Blue Dogs cave. Or did McConnell fail. Its tough to reconcile both. If Dems are going to vote Dem, nothing McConnell did would make a difference.

A strategy...

Sean Davis (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:46PM EST (link)

…that relied on Democrats to buck Reid and Obama is a strategy that was destined for failure. Yet that is exactly the strategy pursued by GOP leadership, because the leaders were more fearful of the obstructionist label from the media than they were of an America in which politicians substitute their judgment for that of real doctors.

We deserve leaders who spend every waking moment finding ways to prevent freedom from being stolen from us under the cloak of night, not leaders who make excuses for their failure to safeguard our liberty.

I've Heard That

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 4:57PM EST (link)

… but no one offers any solutions. Just mysterious Senate procedures that know knows how to implement or understands the consequences of implementation. Lots of blame. No one is good enough. No one is pure enough. If everyone was a real conservative “just like me” seems to be the only solution anyone has.

If you think...

Sean Davis (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:36PM EST (link)

…that nobody in the GOP conference offered any alternative strategies, then you live in an alternate universe and there’s nothing anybody here can do to help you.

Again

Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:16PM EST (link)

Plese do share these miraculous tactics. What magic potion turns 40 into 41.

What is it, every Democratic Senator is an empty vacuum and if they are just preached to properly they all will convert.

 
 

100% right Swamp Yankee

bobbymike (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:10PM EST (link)

n/t

 
 
 

Blue Dogs Caved

DavidSage (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:13PM EST (link)

I’m amazed so many conservatives in these Red States bought the lie that these politicians were “Democrats in name only”, and that they were really conservative. If a politicians decides to call themselves a Democrat, that’s all I need to know. If you’re truly a conservative, join the Republican Party, it’s a good first step. It’s not like it was over 30 years ago where the label didn’t necessarily mean liberal.

I will say McConnell could have done a better job, at the very least stalled it well into next year, but ultimately he only had 40 votes, and it looks like he kept every one of them in line. That’s a feat in of itself. The same with the House. Only one Republican voted for it. The problem right now isn’t RINOS, it’s that there are too many elected Democrats. The Republican Party stood up for it’s conservative values.

Let us NOT allow them to call themselves "bluedogs" EVER....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:19PM EST (link)

they are DEMOCRATS aka LEFTISTS and in the upcoming races they should have the Cap & Tax vote & this DEATHCARE vote in every commercial….the moment when they voted yea! That is all there needs to be in the commercial other then the voiceover telling the public that they voted against their wishes.

 

Successfully preaching to your own choir...

Sean Davis (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 5:37PM EST (link)

…is not an accomplishment worthy of recognition. Like I said in my post, we don’t send people to Washington to beat the spread while losing.

They Have 60, We Don't - How Do You Get Past That?!! (nt)

IJB Saturday, December 19th at 6:27PM EST (link)
 
 
 
 

If it passes or not...the D's own this legislation and will be punished for their actions

neum432 (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:43PM EST (link)

The D’s always over-reach when they are in power….and these so called “moderate Dem’s” will pay the price.

“To compel a man to furnish contributions of money for the propagation of opinions which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 

Nelson just secured his pension.

jlynnr (Diary) Saturday, December 19th at 6:50PM EST (link)

This had nothing to do with tweaking the health care bill and everything to do with Nelson jockeying for a piece of Obama’s slush fund for Nebraska…and securing his pension for after he loses his job. This guy knows that once this is all said and done, abortion will be funded with bells on.

All I want for Christmas is the opportunity to slap a democrat.

 

Its hard to know for sure

SirGladiator (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 12:10AM EST (link)

Its quite accurate that McConnell had only 40 Republicans to work with, which on the surface made his task seem quite difficult. However, he also had about 60 percent of the country behind his position, which would seem to make his task much easier. Then again, if members of the Senate are willing to sacrifice their careers over a single vote, what can you do? Then again, we don’t know that they’re really thinking that way, for all we know the Dems are really thinking ‘We arent sacrificing ourselves, look at that incompetent GOP leadership over there, we’ll find some way to beat them yet despite the bad poll numbers right now’. We can speculate all day as to whether McConnell could’ve won, or even if he WANTED to win this fight, maybe he wanted the Dems to pass this bill because it increases his chance of becoming Majority Leader again, who knows. The only thing we do know for sure, if they end up passing this disaster, is that McConnell lost. Again. You can say how tough it was to win all day long, but the fact remains that the guy is a consistent loser, and this is his biggest loss yet. Its time to stop rewarding failure, and time instead to find some leaders who are capable of stepping up and winning one that they aren’t ‘supposed’ to win sometimes. At this point in seems the only leadership left that is competent enough to even have a chance of stopping this bill, is Stupak himself, a Democrat. I think that pretty much says it all.

 

This bill is not passed

hickorystick (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 1:24AM EST (link)

5 days is still a lot of time. Other Senators are seeing a gravy train being built and will want to get into the action. Why vote on a potentially career ending bill and not bring home the big one. The other 58 Dem’s must be saying to themselves “I’m risking my neck and all I get is a ‘I’m a Party Loyalist’ T-Shirt.” Right now I am putting my faith in Dems’ fecklessness to break this bill.

Perhaps we should use this

lukematthews (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 10:30AM EST (link)

Maybe we should contact our Democratic senators and whine about how we are being shafted and they are being duped. It’s kind of a Hail Mary but why not.

 
 

jtkell100

jtkell100 Sunday, December 20th at 8:13AM EST (link)

It is beyond me why 59 Senators ar allowing Nelson from Nebraska get away with making all the other states pay their medical bills. They are all betraying their constituents with this joke of a bill. Maybe one of the women Senators will get some guts and do the rite thing. Maybe the one from Arkansas.

 

Silver Linings

lukematthews (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 10:28AM EST (link)

There are a few good results to this healthcare debacle. First and foremost, it has exposed the Democrats for what they are, a bunch of thieves and extortionists. It has also slowed down the socialist agenda of this government. They had planned on cramming all their legislative schemes in this year in order to have a time cushion before the next election. They have been ground down trying to squeak this monstrosity and the other devils are going to really cost them dearly. This has also demonstrated to the people of this nation just how corrupt and craven these people are. No one watching this fiasco is looking at Congress and the president and saying, ‘look at how open and honest this process is.’ Everyone is staring at the train wreck with mouth agape and vowing to fix it with better people.
The world is agog at their duplicity.
Even avowed liberal Democrats are ashamed of their leaders. They visibly redden and audibly groan when the subject rises concerning the healthcare takeover. They shake their heads in embarassment, as well they should.
We must take what good comes from even the worst events. It can only make us stronger.

Silver Lining II

SoFiMil (Diary) Sunday, December 20th at 10:42AM EST (link)

If HC”R” does pass, I hope it at least has the Stupak language.

www.suvstrategery.blogspot.com

 
 

McConnell seat loss incorrect

kolvir Monday, December 21st at 10:05AM EST (link)

McConnell wasn’t elected Minority leader until after the 2006 election with the new congress in 2007 when the count was 49-51. Frist was Majority leader during the election which the Republicans went from 55 to 49 seats; McConnell was whip.