I have to conclude that the social conservatives have quit. Politically, that is, for the 2008 election.
Is that right? Am I missing something?
Here’s why I say that.
1) Colorado—home of Focus on the Family—appears to be heading Democrat this year. That leads me to presume one of two things:
a) The social conservatives in Colorado lack the strength to swing the state to McCain, or:
b) They don’t care to.
2) Again in Colorado, the R Senate candidate appears headed to defeat. (I hope I’m wrong here, but I fear that I’m not).
Now, in our current form of governing, the Senate must approve federal judges. It seems to me that, if you want to challenge Roe V Wade, you need enough Senators on your side so that you can win the fight.
So, I was baffled when I didn’t see a full-court press from social conservatives in 2006 to save George Allen, Conrad Burns or both.
In 2006, you had a GOP President who’d learned his lesson with Harriet Miers, and had twice demonstrated a willingness to nominate the kinds of strict-constructionist judges that the pro-life movement needs on the bench. Plus, the two oldest and most infirm SCOTUS Justices are its most liberal ones (Stevens and Ginzburg).
So, during the last two years of Dubya’s term, wouldn’t you want to do everything you could to help ensure a GOP Senate, and hence a GOP Senate Judiciary Committee?
Apparently not. While TomlinsonDouthat and others argued that social conservatives did turn out in healthy numbers (for Allen especially)—I still don’t recall James Dobson or Tony Perkins or other evangelical leaders loudly sounding the alarm and rallying the troops to keep the Senate in GOP hands.
Well…OK…how did the social conservatives plan to get the judges they needed? Did they think they could work with, or around, Patrick Leahy?
Fast forward to 2008:
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Mark Pryor will win reelection in Arkansas. While he might vote for a pro-life SCOTUS Justice, he’ll certainly vote to put Patrick Leahy back in the Senate Judiciary chair. Pryor must know that Leahy will commit seppuku before allowing a SCOTUS nominee who might threaten Roe V Wade to go to the Senate floor for a vote. How much effort was put into unseating Pryor, a Democrat in a conservative state?
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Then, there’s Colorado. I have to wonder—if Focus on the Family lacks the power to swing enough people to elect GOP Senators or a GOP President in its own home state, then I end up back at my two earlier questions:
1) Have the social conservatives turned their back on competitive politcs?
2) If they haven’t, then is this a sign that they lack the political clout necessary to win elections?
I urge us to ask ourselves these questions, as we look to the future of conservatism in American politics.
Are the social conservatives still willing to fight this fight with us? Also, while no one questions—or should question—the sincerity and goodness in their cause, do they have the ability to win elections?
Frankly, I have to admit—I don’t know.
Your thoughts?
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
No.
Anteater (Diary) Friday, October 17th at 11:46PM EST (link)So-Cons will drag McCain-Palin over the line of victory.
I have committed a Redstate diary faux pas
smagar (Diary) Saturday, October 18th at 8:51AM EST (link)Namely, I’ve written a diary at a time when I don’t have enough free time to respond fully and thoughtfully to the comments people make on it.
I am tied up with family and yard weeding today. I promise to address any comments tomorrow night, once I’m safely ensconsed in my hotel and have figured out the wireless settings.
Strength and honor, y’all.
(BTW—Anteater, I hope and pray you’re right).
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Good analysis, wrong conclusions
paint_it_red (Diary) Saturday, October 18th at 9:01AM EST (link)Social conservatives are indeed out in force, knowing the stakes. I for one believe Obama cost himself the election in the 3rd debate when he acknowledged “Roe v. Wade hangs in the balance”.
Not every powerful politcal force is strong enough to carry every election. Especially in America where both parties rely on coalitions whose success is wrapped up in their ability to coalesce every 4 years and press their winning issues to the fore.
The Pro-Life vote remains a powerful force. Of the 9% of voters who vote solely on the issue of abortion, they break for the Pro-Life candidate by a 7-2 margin.
Candidates endorsed by Right to Life organizations have an incredible winning percentage against “Emily’s List” candidates.
So we beat our counterpart in the opposing coalition. But the election is, as we know, more than a referendum on one issue. We will do all we can, and are, I promise you.
“It is not good to cultivate a respect so much for the law as for the right. The only obligation which I have a right to assume is to do at any time what I think is right.” Henry David Thoreau
“The means we use must be as pure as the ends we seek.” Martin Luther King Jr.
“If you want peace, work for Justice.” Pope John Paul II
I don't recall saying that
Tomlinson Douthat (Diary) Saturday, October 18th at 12:32PM EST (link)Could you refresh my memory?
If I ever said that social conservatives or pro-lifers were sufficient, on their own, for a Republican victory nationwide, then I misspoke. I do think, however, that they are very much a necessary part of any victorious Republican coalition.
I’m quite sure that if McCain were pro-choice, he’d be much further behind than he seems to be now. I’m also quite sure that if he were more comfortable speaking about “social conservative” issues—and hence willing to call out Obama more strongly on his support for legal infanticide, for instance—then he’d be better situated in the polls. Do you disagree?
Back around the 2006 election...
smagar (Diary) Sunday, October 19th at 8:53PM EST (link)we exchanged comments in a diary, where I wondered why Republican Senators in states with strong pro-life movements weren’t faring very well. Specifically, George Allen.
I was especially puzzled because it seems we were repeating 1986 all over again. Specifically, the situation Jeffrey Lord referenced in his American Spectator article.
1n 1986, nine GOP Senators were turned out of office, giving the Senate to the Democrats. Thus, when Lewis Powell unexpectedly retired from the Senate, Ronald Reagan faced a hostile Senate Judiciary Committee and Senate majority. Result: No Robert Bork, and no fifth vote against Roe.
In 2006, from what I saw, the (for lack of a better term) leadership in the social conservative movement—James Dobson, etc…—wasn’t going to General Quarters to prevent a 1986 repeat.
In 2006, we had a majority GOP Senate, a President who’d proven his willingess to nominate SCOTUS Justices who might be hostile to Roe, and the two oldest and least-healthy SCOTUS Justices being its most liberal ones.
So, given the lessons of 1986, wouldn’t you think the pro-life movement would sound General Quarters, and do everything it could have to preserve that precious GOP majority in 2006?
I didn’t see it. Are you saying that I missed it?
For the pro-life movement to achieve its goals, it stands to reason that it needs friendly Senators. No friendly Senate = no strict constructionist judges.
Yet, the trend seems to be continuing in 2008.
States with strong pro-life movements will elect Democratic Senators this year. Arkansas—no serious challenge to Mark Pryor. Virginia—Mark Warner will win in a walk. Louisiana—-looks as if Mary Landrieu will win again. Colorado, home of Focus On The Family looks set to elect its second Democrat to the Senate.
If Obama wins next month, within the next four years you can be sure he’ll pack as many pro-choice judges into lifetime Federal judicial appointments as he can. Plus, Stevens and Ginzburg will retire, to be replaced by two ultra-healthy young Kate Michaelman think-alikes.
The fight against Roe will be over. Why isn’t the pro-life leadership going to General Quarters over this?
TD, if you say the pro-life movement is trying its best, I take you at your word. Then, the fault is mine. I must have overestimated its strength.
And, as to your question of whether McCain would be doing better if his pro-life message were stronger—I’m not sure.
Most pro-lifers I know are well-read and well-aware of Obama’s indifference to infanticide and allegiance to the abortion rights cause. But, in the states where pro-lifers live in healthy numbers—Colorado, Virginia—I see lots of blue.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Belated reply to smagar
Tomlinson Douthat (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 10:26PM EST (link)Sorry for the delay. I missed your reply when it first went up. You’ve refreshed my memory somewhat (and thanks for that, but I’m afraid I still don’t recall what I said in particular. My apologies, then, if I’m repeating myself.
I believe the Jeffrey Lord article you’re referring to is this one. But I don’t buy Lord’s logic. He blames Bork’s defeat on the loss of seven GOP Senate seats in 1986, but Bork lost 42-58. Even if all of the class of 1980 Senators had retained their seats (very unlikely), and even if they had all voted to confirm (even more unlikely, considering who they were), Bork still would have lost 49-51. And he wouldn’t have faced a noticeably friendlier Judiciary Committee even if the Republicans were still in the majority, since most of the same Democrats would still be on the committee, as would Arlen Specter.
Further, Lord seems to blame all the close Senate losses in 1986 on pro-lifers exclusively. Why single them out? In close election losses, slightly larger turnout from any group would tilt it the other way, and blame must be spread across the whole party, though the candidate himself must always bear the most responsibility.
Which brings us to Allen. I’m not a Virginian, so I don’t know what was going on on the ground there, but from looking at the exit polls in 2004 and 2006, it looks to me like social conservatives came out just as if not more strongly for Allen in 2006 as for Bush in 2004. The exit polls didn’t ask about abortion or social conservatism directly, but proxies like more-than-weekly church attendance seem to indicate this. An even greater pro-life turnout would have swung the seat to Allen, but it also would have swung to him if he hadn’t said “macaca,” if Bush had fired Rumsfeld a few weeks earlier, or a million other things.
To blame the Allen loss on pro-lifers or social conservatives would also be to overlook the fact that, contrary to stereotypes, Virginia is not a particularly pro-life or socially conservative state. These 2005 numbers indicate that Virginia is only the 29th most pro-life state in the union, below the 2004 blue states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, and perhaps Minnesota—this despite the fact that it is home to a number of prominent evangelical institutions. Likewise, Colorado, despite being Dobson’s base of operations, is even less pro-life than Virginia, ranking behind those other 2004 blue states, as well as Wisconsin and Hawaii.
On the other hand, you mention Louisiana and Arkansas, which are two of the most pro-life states in the nation, behind only Utah. The Louisiana seat will probably remain Democratic, and the Arkansas one definitely will, due to the lack of a challenger (shame on Mike Huckabee for not running). But while Pryor and Landrieu were both originally elected in strongly pro-life states, they were also elected in traditionally Democratic states: both went to Clinton in 1992 and 1996, and both have a long and continuing history of going Democratic in statewide elections. It’s outrageous that these two are in the Senate in part as a result of the most trivial concessions to pro-life sentiment, but the fault for this must not be lain at the feet of the (I assume) vast majority of socially conservative or pro-life Republicans, who voted against them, but rather on the small minority of pro-life Democrats who voted for both these two and the many other pro-choice Democrats who have won in these states. But this latter group is hardly part of the Republican coalition.
I’m afraid I can’t give you any first-hand assurances about how hard the social conservative or pro-life movement is trying this time around. I’m not religious, and so I tend not to get a lot of the memos about what’s going on in those circles. I can only assume, based on their track record, that pro-life and social conservative voters will come out in force for McCain, to a degree somewhat greater than their share of the population at large. From what I can tell at this point, conservatives of all stripes are set to support McCain strongly; it’s only the squishy moderates who can’t be bothered to vote for the squishy moderate.
And as for my point about McCain’s comfort about speaking about social conservative issues, I was not referring to his ability to get pro-life votes, as I’m sure he will at about the level other recent GOP candidates have. Rather, I was referring to his ability to get the votes of people who are pro-choice, the vast majority of whom, unlike Obama, nonetheless oppose infanticide. I think that if McCain were more fluent in these issues, he would not have let Obama get away with his evasions on the infanticide issue nearly as well as he seems to have been.
Always a pleasure, smagar. Sorry again for the delay.
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Tomlinson Douthat (Diary) Tuesday, October 21st at 10:29PM EST (link)I am gobsmacked and humbled by the quality of your reply
smagar (Diary) Wednesday, October 22nd at 5:52PM EST (link)TD, I see your point about the possible faults in Lord’s reasoning on why the GOP lost in 2006. I agree—Bork was a polarizing character and might have lost anyway.
The larger point I was making was that, of the three legs of the conservative stool (social, fiscal and defense conservatives) social conservatives need a friendly judiciary the most of all. To get friendly judges you need friendly Senators.
That brings me to this comment:
Even if everything you said above is true, the social conservative cause still needed that Senator. With Allen, the 2006 Senate would have been 50-50, organized by the Republicans. If Ginzburg or Stevens had had to step down, while it would have been bloody, the pro-life movement might have gotten the fifth anti-Roe vote it needed.
Isn’t that reason enough to overlook macaca or Rumsfeld? Reason enough for the national pro-life movement to go to General Quarters to save Allen, or Conrad Burns in Montana? (#23 on your list).
In looking at your Survey USA numbers, both Louisiana and Arkansas are tops among pro-life states. Yet Pryor and Landrieu are heading back to the Senate, to join Blanche Lincoln.
If pro-lifers can’t flip those Senate seats, I think we have to presume they can’t flip any.
Before I wrote this diary, I went to James Dobson’s Focus on the Family homepage. You wouldn’t even know there was an election going on. No Action Alerts or anything like that. Where is Dobson on the airwaves, rallying the troops?
I mean—Dobson can’t rally support to keep the one remaining GOP Senate seat in the state that’s home of Focus On The Family? With so much at stake.
I’m not out to blame social conservatives for the GOP’s ills since 2006. Heavens knows, there’s plenty of blame to go around here.
It just seems that the social conservatives aren’t doing the critical things politically to help themselves.
Even if Lord was wrong about blaming the Bork defeat on social conservatives, his article still should have been a clarion call on the need to gather as many pro-life Senators as possible—and the penalties the pro-life movement pays when we have a pro-choice Senate.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Thanks, smagar
Tomlinson Douthat (Diary) Wednesday, October 22nd at 10:29PM EST (link)I don’t really disagree with what you say here. It’s true that social issues have been fought out in the courts more than other issues (although that could change: witness Boumidiene and Kelo). It’s true that conservatives should have supported Allen over Webb, whatever else was happening. (But they did: From the exit poll I linked to above, Allen won conservatives 88-12, just as Webb won liberals 88-12. These numbers are pretty typical for any election; there’s always a small degree of bleeding going in both directions.) And it’s true that social conservatives, on their own, cannot win any elections. In fact, conservatives of all sorts, together, cannot win any election. Even in Utah, only 45% of the electorate in 2004 described themselves as conservatives. All elections are decided by moderates. (Unfortunately, this doesn’t mean that you can win moderate votes simply by nominating moderate candidates, else McCain would be up by about 40-50 points today. It’s a lot more complicated than that.)
And I see that you’re right, too, about the lack of political content on the Focus on the Family website. However, the archives of the site from similar dates in 2004 and 2006 reveal that this is not unusual. It’s not, strictly speaking, a political organization, and I think that political advocacy would probably jeopardize its tax status. I do seem to recall that Dobson has been careful, whenever he endorsed a politician, to say that it was a personal endorsement.
There are, however, other social conservative organizations with different tax statuses that do engage in political advocacy. As I said before, I’m not in a position to be sure of this, but I assume that most of them are fighting as hard as always for McCain and the various Senate seats. If there are any exceptions, they deserve to be severely called out for their shortsightedness. But I don’t know of any organizations that fit this description. And the only individual SoCon I know of who has jumped ship is Doug Kmiec, who’s been ripped to shreds on the front page here and in so many other places that his credibility within the conservative movement has been utterly and permanently destroyed.
Any SoCon who’s not playing ball in this election deserves to meet the fate of Kmiec. But I don’t see evidence of there being many around.
Thanks, TomlinsonDouthat
smagar (Diary) Thursday, October 23rd at 7:40AM EST (link)Once again, a superb and classy reply. This is the kind of thing that Redstate is known for, and DailyKos probably never sees.
I think you’ve summed up this discussion pretty well, so I’ll close here.
May we have lots of luck over the next three weeks. (I threw in an extra week for recounts).
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)