The International Conference on Climate Change – Part I


The first installment of a series

As has been noted in a few other spots during this week, your humble correspondent was in Washington earlier this week to cover the most recent (Third) International Conference on Climate Change, which was organized by the Heartland Institute.

For those of you who have asked, “The last one was in March – are these quarterly now?”…. the answer is, no. Given the recent effort to steamroller “cap-and-trade” legislation through Congress at flank speed – on the grounds that “climate change” is accelerating catastrophically (sic) – a decision was made to quickly have an event in Washington to get some other views onto the table, literally within sight of the Capitol dome.

In contrast to its two-day predecessors, this was a one-day event that ran on one single track (rather than multiple tracks). The content was also more strongly oriented toward the political aspects of the issue – which was the intent given the venue and recent happenings.

My notes are rather extensive, so I thought I’d adopt the strategy that Jay Nordlinger uses when he covers events like Davos for NRO – a serialization in reasonably-sized parts until the supply of material runs out.

So that’s what I’ll do – and Part I begins below the fold.


At the opening breakfast on Tuesday morning, I walked into the main room and sat down at one of the tables appropriately labeled “Reserved for Media” (this to me is my equivalent of traveling in cognito). There were some other media types there, and to make a longer story short there was some kvetching that seemed to be based on the notion that the media types would all take a different view than most of the attendees.

One gripe was that “everyone here is in complete agreement – there is no diversity of views.” This in and of itself was very amusing – since in New York back in March the usual media suspects were complaining that the absence of complete agreement and a “single message” meant that the attendees should not be taken seriously. It was left to me to rudely point out that the “complete agreement” canard was blatantly false for two reasons. First, it wasn’t the case – there’s a very fundamental difference in viewpoint (politely) about whether or not we need to find a “forcing function” for temperature changes, or if natural variability is sufficient to explain things (I lean toward the latter view myself); this kind of argument is always strange, since in “science” people meet to discuss different viewpoints on the same data and to identify methods of possibly resolving the differences between the varying explanatory viewpoints. And second, in sharp contrast to the big AGW-scare-promotion events, the leading alarmists (including Mr. Gore and Mr. Hansen) have thrice been invited to speak and have thrice refused. (I still wait for the media priesthood to come down on Mr. Gore for blatantly and pro-actively restricting media access to and reporting on his speeches – but that’s another story.)

The second gripe was that the event had too much concentration on politics and not enough on “science.” It was left to me (again) to point out that there was a considerable amount of science on the program, there had been more in New York three months earlier, this event was stilted more to the political because it had intentionally been put in Washington due to the complete politicization of the topic, and that the enormous economic consequences of the suggested “remediation” methods needed to be presented more clearly to the taxpayers and citizens who will be expected to bear the implied burden.

At this point, further discussion of this topic ended, since it had been made clear that I wasn’t part of the snob-school-of-thought on this topic. But it’s pretty clear that the alarmists and their anointed stenographers will continue to play games with this (even in self-contradiction) for as long as they think that they can get mileage out of it.


Heartland Institute President Joe Bast opened the formal proceedings with a few informal remarks of note.

He noted that the past is littered with a number of occasions when populaces have found themselves in the grip of popular delusions – and that all of these situations had many things in common…. and those things can be seen in the present “AGW” panic. A most notable aspect is that these panics inevitably reward interest groups, and this creates a feedback effect that causes the interest groups to feed the panic.

In the present situation, a key problem is that the interest circle now extends to include business interests; when the purported “regulation” of the situation comes into play, business interests will try to use their influence to see that the impending regulatory regime is (as much as possible) stilted in their favor.

A final problem is that the political posturing now going on has reached a very advanced stage, particularly in Washington. Since politicians are regularly (and deservedly) rounded upon for focusing only on the short term (usually their own prospects in the next election), this subject provides an easy way to posture about having concern for the longer-term. It also allows many politicians to act like they know something about science (Mr. Waxman’s recent remarks not withstanding) – and of course serves as a convenient vehicle to increased influence for both themselves and their like-minded colleagues.


The opening keynote talk was given by Prof. Richard Lindzen, who holds a chaired professorship in meteorology at MIT. Prof. Lindzen’s talk was less technical than the one he delivered in New York back in March, but of course this was a Washington DC venue.

He noted that by his reckoning, one of the sadder consequences of the entire “global warming”/”climate change” panic is that it has served to thoroughly corrupt “climate science” over the past 20 years. The situation with weather forecasters and state climatologists has been better – but there has been a recent ominous trend of the forcing-out of state climatologists for their non-belief in climate-change-hysteria. (The situation surrounding Pat Michaels, the State of Virginia, and the University of Virginia remains a swirl of controversy – as a search will clearly show – but it seems clear that Dr. Michaels was the target of retribution for refusing to sign on to the designated political orthodoxy with regard to “climate change.”)

Dr. Lindzen noted a three-stage process by which climate science has been (ab)used to support alarmism:

1) Triage; this basically involves figuring out what “they” want to hear and then telling “them” that.

2) Opportunism of the weak; weak science is molded to fit the “consensus,” and is used as a vehicle by weak scientists to gain unwarranted authority.

3) Relate “your specialty” to “climate change;” this has become a common occurrence (note the wide variety of things that are now abstractly blamed on “global warming” or “climate change”) – it is a nuisance, but it serves to help maintain the sense of alarm.

I found this triplet (three-headed monster?) to be a bit stunning since – sadly – it is not confined to “climate change.” This kind of stuff has become all too common in my own world (risk capital and technology start-ups) – where the financial side of the aisle has become so weak on scientific and technical issues as to be ready meat for the same sort of abuse. (Find out what the finance people dearly want to hear, carefully mold your tangible results to indicate that you have the magic “open-sesame” tricks, and link it all to some presently-faddish issue of the day. Here, we are at the “please don’t get me started” point so I’ll stop there.)

One of the extraordinary aspects of the “climate change” panic is that it appears to be confined almost entirely within Washington itself; issue polling continues to show that in the hierarchy of worries, Americans continue to rank “climate change” dead last among their concerns. (And perhaps the alarmists in Washington are starting to notice this – since as I noted yesterday, as of this week (post-Memorial-Day recess) the “climate change legislation” is now being rebranded as an “energy bill.”) The climate panic meme chiefly appeals to the educated classes on the east and west coasts – and this clearly feeds into an old sociological story, since at its core the meme is authoritarian and based on belief.

Focusing a bit more on the scientific details, Prof. Lindzen noted that since the beginning of the Industrial Age, the concentration of atmospheric carbon dioxide has increased from some 280 ppmv (parts-per-million by volume) to 380 ppmv. While that may represent an apparently large increase, the reality is that carbon dioxide is (and remains) a very trace gas in the Earth’s atmosphere. The claimed global temperature anomaly during that period amounts to some 0.5 – 0.8 degrees Celsius – so even if one accepts that quantitative result, it remains problematic to claim that such as change in the Earth’s apparent temperature can be attributed entirely to such a tiny amount of carbon dioxide. Such changes are entirely within the realm of natural variations, and it is natural variations that provide the simplest explanation for the observed results. (As noted above, on this matter I find that my own analysis of this problem agrees with Prof. Lindzen’s analysis; to a trained eye-and-mind, an even-cursory analysis of the data and the “system” indicates that natural variability is very large in this system – and such large variability is an overwhelmingly-powerful determinant of specific outcomes.)

As such, the narrative which makes much noise about qualitative “directions” of possible trends is grossly insufficient – the critical information that needs more focus is the quantitative inquiry regarding “How much?” If the small magnitude of claimed changes is not properly grasped, then we risk conflating the trivial with the serious.

Prof. Lindzen also noted that the IPCC’s climate models do not produce known patterns of natural behavior – such as the El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO – more popularly known simply as “El Niño”), the Pacific Decadal Oscillation (PDO), and the Atlantic Multidecadal Oscillation (AMO). Somewhat perversely, the inability of the models to produce these phenomena is used to argue that “human forcing” must the missing factor.

While the IPCC models cheerfully predict runaway global warming, the IPCC’s own data do not support this outcome; connecting these things points to an ongoing problem – there is not enough emphasis on testing the various models.

I can understand this situation from my own background in mathematical modeling for more applied engineering purposes. In an ideal world (and this is a world that seems to be assumed implicitly in the “marketing” of “climate models” to the general public), all of the knowledge and physics would be fully embodied in the mathematical structure of the “model” itself – while the specific details can be included by providing specific numerical values for specific fully-physical parameters included in that fundamental model. Unfortunately, this situation simply cannot exist for anything but the most trivial physical systems; of necessity, some assumptions and approximations must enter into any mathematical model. In even modestly-complex systems, detailed knowledge is imperfect at best – some degree of semi-empirical or empirical structure must be included; even in cases where the physics is modestly well-known, the resulting mathematics are often poor-suited for use in iterative computation, and must be modified to provide suitability for that required task.

This leads to two structural problems. First, compensation for a deficiency of knowledge is often attained by fitting mathematical functions to the available data. Second, the modeling challenge is often broken down into numerous attacks on very small pieces of the problem – and the small pieces are then stitched together into a larger skein on the assumption (which is dangerous to no end) that all the pieces will simply “play nice” together and exhibit proper behavior.

In these situations, the best a “model” can do is reproduce the data that was fed into it; this can be useful when the objective is to create a reasonably-predictive “between the points” analytical description that can be used to predict outputs for previously non-tabulated inputs. However, whenever you use that “model” beyond the range bounded by the input data tabulation…. all bets are off. In those situations, about the worst thing you can do is see some crazy behavior and tell yourself that it has basic meaning and/or that you’ve “discovered” something remarkable. A few years back, I watched a fiasco of this sort – where a “model” was showing negative differential capacitances that a) had never been expected before, and b) made absolutely no sense at all from the viewpoint of fundamental physics. The correct notion to get from such a “result” is that the model has serious limitations and cannot be regarded as predictive; instead, for nearly two years the claim kept being made that somehow this mathematical model was generating a discovery of some “new physics” that for some reason no one had noticed before (and which no one could actually measure).

Ultimately, that’s what’s happening now with many of these climate models. Data is going in showing very little happening…. and an output is produced showing a spectacular runaway in the near future. The way to understand this situation is quite simple: The model is behaving with such spectacular strangeness that it tells us that the “prediction” is simply impossible and irrelevant. The model itself is telling us that it is inherently limited, and is being used far outside its range of capability.

But to return to Prof. Lindzen’s narrative, he closed his talk with one final point about the inherent problem with the IPCC models and their predictions. The notion that an increase of the atmospheric CO2 concentration will increase the radiative forcing is a relatively simple one; as any chemistry (or physics) undergraduate knows, carbon dioxide has a very strong absorption peak in the infrared (infrared photons are absorbed by excitation of the vibrational states of the molecule). Since atmospheric CO2 absorbs infrared energy non-isotropically (from the “ground” direction) but re-radiates it isotropically, there is some net capture of infrared radiation that would otherwise have escaped into space. However, as noted earlier, the atmospheric concentration of CO2 is very small – and the non-isotropic/isotropic change-maker is also only a small portion of the ground-emitted infrared radiation. This tiny amount of extra-captured infrared radiation is far too small to lead to any notable sort of atmospheric warming.

Where the models go next is to where any complex system goes – to feedback mechanisms. Feedback of course is used by intent in circuit theory (if you have a radio that works, you’re using that idea). Natural systems are filled with feedback mechanisms; most of these mechanisms are (not surprisingly) negative feedback mechanisms – since negative feedback basically underlies all of the self-regulating natural systems that we see around ourselves every day. Not surprisingly, all of the data in the meteorological realm show negative feedback; however, all of the IPCC models include positive feedback in their mathematics. It is this suspect positive feedback that is necessary for these “models” to make their apocalyptic, non-data-based predictions of a catastrophic, runaway “greenhouse” event.

This is a rather remarkable situation, since – in Prof. Lindzen’s words – it clearly shows that the foundation of “global warming theory” is…. wrong.


(Snide aside: Nature is filled with negative feedback mechanisms, while politics is filled with positive feedback mechanisms. Hmm….)


Well, I’ll stop there, since that’s enough for today. Stay tuned for Part II, in which we’ll discuss the release of the massive report by the Non-Governmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), and get some gems of wisdom from Anthony Watts, Fred Singer, Willie Soon, and Harrison Schmitt.


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Thanks Skan

WarEagle01 (Diary) Friday, June 5th at 5:03PM EST (link)

That is the clearest explanation of the difficulties of modeling complex systems that I have ever read.

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The only argument that the alarmists have that has any real possibility

kyle8 (Diary) Friday, June 5th at 5:15PM EST (link)

is the claim that higher levels of CO2 are causing greater acidity in the oceans, thus endangering coral reefs.

I just don’t know enough about the science to refute that.

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Don't know about the impact of CO2 on reefs, Kyle...

Steve Maley (Diary) Friday, June 5th at 6:12PM EST (link)

… but I have enough college geology to know that the oceans handle an excess CO2 concentration by precipitating CaCO3, calcium carbonate, as crystalline limestone in quiet, shallow banks like the Bahamas.

Massive limestone beds were deposited worldwide many millions of years ago when the atmospheric concentration of CO2 was about 20 times what it is now. See: White Cliffs of Dover.

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Acid Ocean

Skanderbeg (Diary) Friday, June 5th at 6:38PM EST (link)

This one will come up in the next installment (Part II) – since it’s a recent alarum (that’s not a typo – remember your Shakespeare?) that seems to be “required” to keep the panic going. Heh.

 

Let's not forget that pH is a logarithmic scale

Chemical Sam (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 11:53AM EST (link)

pH = – log [H3O+]

7.0 = 10.00 E-8
7.2 = 6.31E-8
7.4 = 3.98 E-8
7.6 = 2.51 E-8
7.8 = 1.68 E-8
8.0 = 1.00 E-8

So you can see that going incrementally from pH 8.0 to pH 7.0 becomes harder and harder. The CO2 in the air would correspondingly have to continus an exponnential increase from here. I’m not even sure that’s possible.

I find it dubious to say the least that the pH is moving becoming incrementally acid (except where the data can be manipulated to show that, like in a sewer in Europe someplace). Most reading I have ever seen get two decimal places accuracy, in a sterile essentially pure system. Oceanic water has salts, and living things in different proportions over different seasons, everywhere on the planet.

I think its being projected that way to alarm an unwitting public, yet again.

Because, you know, every trend is a runaway trend in the mind of demagogues.

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Buffering

Skanderbeg (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 1:06PM EST (link)

Well, Sam, I know a bit about buffering (mostly needing refreshing of course) and I expect that you know a great deal of buffering – so I’ll be expecting you to go into more details in the comments when Part II of this serialization comes around. :)

As far as I can tell, the “acid oceans” notion is a new fear, generated to cope with the reality that nature has many buffers and stabilization processes – e.g., atmospheric CO2 is readily dissolved in the oceans. Well, needing SOME reason why this too must be framed as being a horrid thing…. “OMG, CO2 goes into water and makes carbonic acid! It will kill the oceans! Waaaahhh!!”

I haven’t seen any quantification of this, but this has the bouquet of being yet another example of non-quantitative “science.” In this case, yeah, if you feed CO2 into water the water will acidify a bit. The real issue is HOW MUCH do you need to stuff through there to get something appreciable.

Soft drinks of course are a good example, but one little high school chemistry experiment that can be done is to give someone a glass of water and a straw, and to put one of those visibility changing markers for acidification in the water. Then the “victim” is instructed to blow and blow and blow through the straw until he is nearly unable to remain standing. If you do this, you can acidify the water enough to trip the marker (water becomes cloudy or something like that). But you have to push a lot of CO2 into that small amount of water to get that to happen.

The thermophobes are once again being experiential rather than quantitative, and can only defend such a position by arguing that just teeny-tiny little perturbations will send the whole system careening out of control.

I hope there's some discussion of sulfates too

civil truth (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 2:01PM EST (link)

Sulfates are a much stronger acid imput than CO2 (compare sulfuric acid to carbonic acid), but I’m not sure whether significant quantities are being dissolved in the sea.

Buffering has two components: ocean systems and biological systems. By definition, buffering is a negative feedback, so you won’t get pH spiraling wildly out of control as you approach the limits of the buffering range. However, my understanding is that ocean-dwelling biological systems can be quite sensitive to modest changes in pH, so that’s where magnification could occur.

On the other hand, there is the measurement question with regards to the ability to accuracy and precision of pH measurements in the ocean.

I will be interested to see what was said about pH. But again, the burden of proof is on GW advocates to demonstrate a significant correlation between marine life changes and changes in atmospheric CO2 and a chain of causality that rules out confounding variables.

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You'll forgive me for this, but "sulfates" aren't acidic.

Chemical Sam (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 9:29PM EST (link)

I should mention in advance that the ocean has lots of sulfates in it already. Underground volcanism and mineral deposits are far and away the primary source. There’s even a considerable amount in drinking water, and water doesn’t taste right without it.

The rest may seem like a technical point, but it’s the type of technical point that gets laypeople all worked up for nothing, and gives AGW proponents ammunition. They wouldn’t have the ammo if people learned and retained two years of chemistry in high school.

RSO3H, sulfonic acids, are acidic, but their sulfate salts, RSO3-, aren’t, in fact they are weak conjugate bases. (R is an arbitrary organic group, like that found in a detergent-type molecule)

Sulfuric acid H2SO4, and Sodium hydrogen sulfate, NaHSO4, are acidic

If they are already neutral sulfate salts, such as sodium sulfate Na2SO4, when you put them in the drink, all they do is make the water saltier.

On the other hand, ammonium sulfate contains the ammonium cation is a mildly acid salt, because ammonia, NH3 is a fairly weak base, making ammonium NH4+ a significant Bronsted acid (proton donor) in aqueous solution. Ammonium sulfate was what alarmists were attributing acid rain to, back in the day.

Not only did it turn out that is wasn’t really true, but nobody is stupid enough to pump sulfates and ammonia into the air anymore. You see, not only is that something the Man is looking for to hang you with, more importantly, ammonia and sulfur products have real value, and aren’t wasted anymore. For instance, modern coal plants produce lots of energy, and they scrub the effluent for the salts, some of them sulfate in nature, which in turn are used as fertilizer stock.

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I was thinking primarily of China's massive coal burning processes

civil truth (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 9:44PM EST (link)

I’m under the impression that most of their coal-burning plants do not scrub for sulfates.

I also was trying to argue from a GW skeptic position.

The point I was tring to making is that sulfates are stoichometrically a far more potent acidifying agent than CO2 (especially SO3 – I’m less certain as to the atmospheric chemistry of SO2 and whether it gets further oxidized prior to hydration). So those who are concerned about acid oceans should be looking at sulfates – at least to figure out if the amoung being released into the air and the portion of that ending up in the ocean is significant.

If the GW advocates aren’t even considering sulfates but only looking at CO2, this would be more evidence to indicate that they are using ocean acification as a political club rather than seriously examining the issue from a scientific position.

In any case, I am hoping to find out if the ICCC meeting did touch on sulfates.

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It's true, proponents seem to be fixated on CO2 now.

Chemical Sam (Diary) Sunday, June 7th at 5:05AM EST (link)

And yes, sulfur dioxide is converted in air (eventually) to sulfur trioxide, which reacts with water immediately to sulfuric acid SO3 +H2O -> H2SO4, and precipitates with rain.

It’s still not that much of a problem. Even if it precipitated to ground water it would find something like some sort of calcification, or sodium carbonate, and react with to form a bicarbonate, or carbonic acid, which immediately becomes part of the CO2 acid-base cycle. Sulfate is merely a spectator anion after that.

It’s more of the nitrates and the phospates that are problems because of their ability to upset fresh water flora and fauna.

Again, nothing we do to release these substances are important globally, just locally, in the neighborhood pond. The earth releases far more of these substances in the ocean than we eventually do.

China does more than its fair share to harm themselves and others. They really are the most unkempt people on the face of the planet, or all their aires as a sophisticated society

Hell, bats and seagulls release more high-nitrate guano than people do.
You could if you like safely count a nitrogen or a sulfur species as equal to one carbonic species in a calculation of impact. Small compared to direct carbon, which is small enough on it’s own.

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It's probably a color indicator, say litmus, or phenolphthalein.

Chemical Sam (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 9:50PM EST (link)

Tell me what two colors you want to go between and I can give you the indicator to use.

And it’s worse than that.

If one wants to, one can use Henry’s law to determine the change in pH of water going from 280 ppm CO2 to 380 ppm CO2 pressure above the water, and included the carbonic acid, bicarbonate, and carbonate equilibria, which are unavoidable int eh ocean. That calulcation would determine where the pH would come to rest under the new CO2 pressure, all other thing being equal. Which they’re not.

I’d be surprised if you got anything approaching the wild numbers we are getting from the IPCC. Again, the pH sampling is almost entirely on the surface of the water. The ocean is a place where there are losts of salts, where living things grow and modify the pH locally to suit their purposes, where temperatures and pressures vary (the conept of pH 7 being neutral is only true at standard temperature and pressure), where wave motion affects the rate of carburetion between the contact areas, where other species, yes, like oxides of sulfur and nitrogen eminate from places like the Ring of Fire and Iceland.

It’s a hell of a place to be making general statements about environmental impact if youre just sampling here and there near the surface.

So no, I don’t buy it as important, even if the data were painstakingly accurate (which it’s not), without the data being comprehesive, corrected for conditions, and fit into the relationship with the atmosphere that employs realistic equations describing physical reality. Nobody is even bothering to do that.

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Great work!

deevee Friday, June 5th at 5:22PM EST (link)

I found this triplet (three-headed monster?) to be a bit stunning since – sadly – it is not confined to “climate change.

So true! The wind industry bully and swindle rural local governments and community’s into believing their tripe. Wind is unreliable and the industry interest is in taxpayer subsidies, green credits and cap and trade legislation. The rural victims are marginalized and forced through government naivety and greed to try to live 1000 feet from these poorly sited industrial facilities.

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And Al Gore has increased his personal WEALTH

bobojake (Diary) Friday, June 5th at 10:41PM EST (link)

by $100 million since he left office primarily on his misrepresentations of climate change.

 

If the real scientists talked, did they make a noise?

scottbomb (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 1:08AM EST (link)

This sounds rather optimistic for those of us laymen who subscribe to the radical idea that global warming and cooling is purely a natural phenomenon. However on the political scene, the genie has already been let out of the bottle to the point where the political consequences are rapidly materializing. Granted, people rank it at the bottom of their lists of worries, but nevertheless, Algore and company still seem to be laughing all the way to the bank at our expense.

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In other words, Skanderbeg...

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Is there any “hope” for “change we can believe in”?

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There's always hope.

Chemical Sam (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 9:57PM EST (link)

The scientific community will get particularly upset when their grant money dries up, or the people who were pushed aside due to doctrinaire thinking, get their numbers together.

Like many other things in science, once somebody gets it right, the community turns on the idea that fell of their own weight.

Sorry to say that I think Socialism is an idea that didn’t die hard enough, but I believe it will this time, when this generations Americans get a their first taste of it. I’d go further this time around, and start amending the Constitution, severly limiting congressional levy powers, and reiterating State and Popular rights, to help ensure that this sort of thing never happens again.

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I noticed where Beaglescout dugg an article about a NASA study

TNJim (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 1:59AM EST (link)

that confirms solar cycles, not man, are responsible for past warming. However, Dailytech also states that in the same study NASA contradicts itself by stating “While the NASA study acknowledged the sun’s influence on warming and cooling patterns, it then went badly off the tracks. Ignoring its own evidence, it returned to an argument that man had replaced the sun as the cause current warming patterns. Like many studies, this conclusion was based less on hard data and more on questionable correlations and inaccurate modeling techniques.”

Now, since NASA is a government entity they couldn’t be trying to spin their own findings, could they? Since said government is heavily investing, and investing us, into solving man-made global warming?

Not that I’m a conspiracy theorist or anything…

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Those who live by statistical correlations should all be killed off by better ones.

Chemical Sam (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 10:01PM EST (link)

I’ve seen better correlations of solar activity with temperature than that of CO2 with temperature. Neither is sufficient for me personally, but for those alarmists that cling to CO2 as the culprit, why not always go with the better correlation??

My only explanation is that it’s not politically expedient. It can’t be used by racketeers as a buliding block. People who think people need to be under more control (Namely, Theirs) lose their argument.

That’s enough for me to douby their motivations.

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Emissions Trading

molybdanthan (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 5:15AM EST (link)

Getting this from wiki:
The development of emissions trading over the course of its history can be divided into four phases:
1. Gestation: Theoretical articulation of the instrument and, independent of the former, tinkering with “flexible regulation” at the US Environmental Protection Agency
2. Proof of Principle: First developments towards trading of emission certificates based on the “offset-mechanism” taken up in Clean Air Act in 1977.
3. Prototype: Launching of a first “cap and trade” system as part of US Acid Rain Program, officially announced as a paradigm shift in environmental policy, as prepared by “Project 88″, a network building effort to bring together environmental and industrial interests in the US
4. Regime formation: branching out from US clean air policy to global climate policy, and from there to the European Union, along with the expectation of an emerging global carbon market and the formation of the “carbon industry”.

We’re at stage 4 now. And there’s a sort of terminal velocity or inertia forcing us into regime formation. If this legislation goes through, it will be like unleashing Jormundgand, the Midgard Serpent. It will consume the World with its greedy hunger.

They Forgot Ponzi Perfection....

rcov092 (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 11:20PM EST (link)

that was the stage where Enron and Skilling mastered the fraud and applied computer information systems to scale it to the levels needed to rake the last marginal scent of theft they could from the public.

Tis a good think that Jeff Immelt, when not trading with the Iranians was able to buy that software out of the Enron bankruptcy. Maybe he will train Keith Dolberlman to run a trading desk once they can no longer justify keeping on the air for the 40 people that watch him every night.

“Not One Red Dime for the NRSC or NRCC till they stop trying to elect liberals”

 
 

Excellent post Skanderbeg

Chemical Sam (Diary) Saturday, June 6th at 12:01PM EST (link)

I have one solid disagreement about modeling. But I’m pressed for time today, so I’ll just lay it out.

The negative feedback line is absolutely correct.
Modeling first has to be mathmatically representative of reality. Bad math is math’s fault, not reality’s fault
You will not be able to trend periodic or a negative feedback system.
You need a system that whose solution is periodic or unstable around a particular point.

I believe simple chemical kinetics will get us there. What it may not get us is exacting numbers, but what it will get us is very accurate idea about the nature of the change. That understanding about how things change with any particular kind of stress on the system is precisely what chemical kineticists do. A good kinetic model, based on a real atmosphere, in contact with ocean and terrrestrial plants, and the solar incidence, should lead to a very sound refutation against the notion of a forcing constant (or now, apparently, a forcing function, because their poor numbers move around too much.

Nice work, man!

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I got your global warming right here...... Snow falls in Western ND, in June

Kenny Solomon (Diary) Sunday, June 7th at 6:36AM EST (link)

Bismarck, N.D. (AP) Snow has fallen in Dickinson in June, the first time in nearly 60 years the city has seen snow past May.

http://www.kxmc.com/News/386720.asp

Hey Algore and the rest of you……. I ‘hope’ you choke on the ‘change’.