We’ve all been musing how Obama-I is looking less and less like it’s going to be Carter-II, and more and more like it’s going to be Clinton-III.
But this takes that story to a whole new level:
“The biggest cleavage in the Democratic Party is over America’s role in the world,” said Kenneth Baer, a co-founder of the quarterly publication Democracy: A Journal of Ideas….
Well, fry mah hide – it sure does indeed look like Clintonism is back.
But that just will not do.
We therefore open the floor to suggestions regarding the contention highlighted in the quote above.
Open thread hilarity….
(Promoted by Jeff – so I don’t get blame if there is any.
)
Daniel Horowitz
Neil Stevens
Steve Maley
Jake Walker
We need beer then.
NightTwister (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 5:54PM EST (link)The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
Gee
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:06PM EST (link)Here I thought Mary Carey was a Republican.
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
Clinton III
Shaggy_Dog (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:08PM EST (link)Hell why not bring back Monica for another “internship” while they’re at it.
A bit off topic but...
JPH (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:09PM EST (link)From the Times article on NRO’s The Corner.
Unlike, let’s say, Slate.
It would seem that Weisberg is on permanent Happy Hour.
Interesting quote by Baer
Jack_Savage (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:21PM EST (link)Since this is shaping up to be Clinton III, with Hillary very possibly as a cabinet member, Baer astutely realized that the biggest cleavage in the Democrat party would certainly not be found there.
I have the sinking feeling that the new administration will...
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:30PM EST (link)combine the stridency and lunacy of the Carter administration with the fecklessness and corruption of the Clintons.
It’s going to be interesting to watch. And by interesting, I mean really really scary.
“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle
CNN poll on Obama's Clinton Appts.
izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:38PM EST (link)All of the leftys are going gaa gaa goo goo over
filling the White House with the Clinton’s old people.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Ooooh, please, please please bring back Janet Reno!
Steve Maley (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:49PM EST (link)We’ll let little Cuban kids and (domestic) religious cults know that we mean business!
Meeee-yow!
The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.
Hillary would definately not be cleavage...
Mark Malcolm (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:50PM EST (link)If you released the Clinton Two I bet it would be more like oranges in dress socks.
I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.
What kind of idiot?
itsonlywords (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:51PM EST (link)Writes a sentence that starts with “The biggest cleavage in the Democratic Party…” and expects to be taken seriously?
Why wouldn’t he use a word that means exactly what he intends to say – such as schism. You know, one that doesn’t imply anything else.
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
Barack
Mark Malcolm (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:51PM EST (link)definitely is making a change NOT. Clinton cronies are not change. Retreads maybe, but not changed.
I may not agree with what you say but I’ll defend your right to say it to the very death.
I don't think Carter II is mutually exclusive of Clinton III
Canthros (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:53PM EST (link)Clinton was fortunate enough to preside over hugely positive economic and social developments that he mostly had nothing to do with.
Obama’s coming in at what looks like the beginning of an economic downturn, during a war that isn’t quite over in Afghanistan.
This too shall pass.
I didn't know the Democratic Party was a church, but given The Messiah
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:54PM EST (link)I guess it could have a schism.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
???
itsonlywords (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:55PM EST (link)Do I need to be Catholic to understand that?
How about rift, then?
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
Vlad, if you get Janet Reno back, then I say it's time for Monica
janis (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:55PM EST (link)to show up as well. What position do you think would be suitable for her?
(It’s gonna be tough for any of you to answer this without violating posting rules.
)
I 'beg Skander' to consider that an actual Bill Clinton III would be quite different post-911
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 6:57PM EST (link)I think Bill’s forst thought by 11am on 9/11/01 was that he wished he had heeded Dick Morris’s advice and done more to defeat al Qaida and that if Bubba had another term, he would be much more aggresive on terrorism.
your thoughts
and more rooster crowing later even in threads are closed
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Beer sounds good, though.
Canthros (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:02PM EST (link)nt
This too shall pass.
I'll see your ten beers and raise you two from 'up on high'.
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:02PM EST (link)I’ve had their beers…..all fantastic.
He’Brew & Coney Island Lager
Cheers !
schism, idiot and rift
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:04PM EST (link)Idiot: one who doesn’t know that a schism is
2 a: formal division in or separation from a church or religious body
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/schism
Rift: crevasse
still conjuring up double entendres for me
try again
smile
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Nah, she wouldn't be near as much fun...
Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:06PM EST (link)…without Will Ferrell on SNL.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Micheal Steele on the Radio
Kudzu (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:07PM EST (link)I don’t know the show but its out of Phily on The Big Talker.
Oh and Beer? I’m on a no beer diet… unless its PBR… bourbon and scotch from here on out
It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.
Now on at http://kudzu630.wordpress.com/
If a$$ is a synonym for donkey,
Uma Richie (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:09PM EST (link)would it be appropriate to talk about the “biggest crack in the Democratic Party?”
as is Dolly Parton
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:11PM EST (link)(well, she’s notably silent on the matter, which means she’s a Republican).
So I’m not exactly sure who they are talking about. Cuz all the truly GOOD cleavage is on our side.
Kill the Terrorists
Protect the Borders
Punch the Hippies h/t IMAO
Nope.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:13PM EST (link)Your talking my language
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:17PM EST (link)Of course being a good swamp yankee I’ll stick to Sam Adams. Whose bringing the buffalo wings.
I think Bill Clinton knows a few of her "positions" (nt)
Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:18PM EST (link)Obviously
itsonlywords (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:34PM EST (link)Not the meaning that comes to my mind. I was thinking more along the lines of “division or disunion, esp. into mutually opposed parties.”
And, please, drag you mind up out of the mud and wash that puppy off! ;o)
Tu ne cede malis sed contra audientor ito. ~Virgil
Do not give in to evil, but proceed evermore boldly against it.
For Sale
KBDay (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:46PM EST (link)Slightly used blue dress. Perfect for visits to Oval Office. Contact Drudge for details.
best to all, Kay
KB Day/The US Report
“Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.” (Eisenhower)
Maybe the Obama girl
Scott (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 7:59PM EST (link)from Youtube can become an intern now that is some cleavage.
Clinging to by Bible and my Shotgun…
Actually, for me it's Crown Royal Cask 16.
Kenny Solomon (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 8:01PM EST (link)A. I love the stuff.
B. Crown Royal sponsors “my driver” in Cup & N-Wide (Jamie McMurray).
I also like “The Bird” Famous Grouse Gold Reserve and/or The Millenium.
Cheers !
(Lifting a glass of ’16′.)
"One Scotch, one Bourbon, and one Beer"
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 8:21PM EST (link)a great old blues (and Blues Brothers) song and perfect for the times. I spent the Sixties in a purple haze so maybe I spend the ’10s in an alcoholic haze. Last time the World was still there when I came back. We’ll see. I’m getting old enough now that it becomes less and less important.
In Vino Veritas
Bill Clinton = Frivolity
Skanderbeg (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 8:55PM EST (link)That’s a good question.
I actually don’t think he’s capable of any sort of serious thought though on things of this sort.
Everything about Bill is frivolous and involves/involved frivolity. Life to him is (and always has been) just one big rolling party.
The only post-9/11 thoughts he might have had were he still President would probably have been along the lines of what he thought of everything else – “How can this help me score even more hot bimbos?”
Alas, I seem to be allergic to something in beer
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:15PM EST (link)If I have more than two I’m ready to worship the porcelain idol, but the hard stuff is not a problem. So I will happily bring the Tanqueray, tonic and limes.
Although I should warn you that in my shortly after college but staying in the college town days, my housemates found my drunk incredibly annoying the next day. There seemed to be some objection to me bouncing out of bed at the crack of dawn and wanting to know where we were going for breakfast on such a fine day.
Obviously Monica will have aged out of the intern roll by now
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:22PM EST (link)but I suppose all the new interns will need a white house den mother of sorts. You know, just to show them how to fill the positions properly.
And popcorn, peanuts, and wings
The_Gadfly (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:28PM EST (link)Definitely need more RedHot wings.
Hilarious story of a liberal bicyclist running into a car in NYC and getting a well-deserved beatdown
Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:40PM EST (link)Language warning, be forewarned:
To The Hipster Who Slammed His Bicycle Into My Car – 28 (Hipsterville)
Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?
Don't forget the beer refrigerator.
NightTwister (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:44PM EST (link)The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
No projection here? Not even a schtickle?
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 9:57PM EST (link)smile
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Made my day. :>)
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 10:00PM EST (link)An awesome video
Brian Simpson (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 10:08PM EST (link)one that Moe should enjoy…but I’m sure he’s seen it already.
h/t FrankJ
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Oh, not that again...
azaeroprof (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 10:41PM EST (link)Democratic cleavage?
I thought we were all finished with the references to Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, and inane comments by Lindsay Lohan!
Oh, you meant REAL cleavage, not ARTIFICIAL! My bad.
New here, and would like to share that
spedteacher Wednesday, November 19th at 10:59PM EST (link)“When the working day is done, girls just wanna have fun”!
Thank you, Cindy Lauper!
I hope we can all still have fun after our working days during “that one’s” admin.
Leo Donofrio SCOTUS case
LI_Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:02PM EST (link)Not sure if this subject is taboo at Redstate, but there was progress today in Donofrio’s natural born case at the Supreme Court, docket # 08A407.
Justice Thomas reviewed the case and it has been sceduled for Conference by the 9 Justices on Dec. 5
The SCOTUS website listing is below
No. 08A407
Title: Leo C. Donofrio, Applicant
v.
Nina Mitchell Wells, New Jersey Secretary of State
Docketed:
Lower Ct: Supreme Court of New Jersey
Case Nos.: (AM-0153-08T2 at the New Jersey Appellate Division without a docket number)
~~~Date~~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Nov 3 2008 Application (08A407) for stay pending the filing and disposition of a petition for a writ of certiorari, submitted to Justice Souter.
Nov 6 2008 Application (08A407) denied by Justice Souter.
Nov 14 2008 Application (08A407) refiled and submitted to Justice Thomas.
Nov 19 2008 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of December 5, 2008
Not taboo, but don't turn it into
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:05PM EST (link)a conspiracy theory.
how is it a conspiracy
LI_Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:11PM EST (link)if Justice Thomas has seen enough merit in the case that it is now scheduled for Conference of the 9 Justices?
This case is not a Birth Certificate case.
It is about whether a candidate born with dual citizenship is elegible as a POTUS candidate. Both McCain and Obama are challenged in this case. Obama’s website, Fightthesmears, has said openly that he was born with dual citizenship.
my post didn't go through
LI_Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:12PM EST (link)??
sorry now I see my post went
LI_Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:23PM EST (link)through.
This case is real and fortunately is moving forward. The docket number is 08A407 at the Supremecourtus.gov website.
Many of the other cases focus on the Birth Certificate but in this case the COLB is irrelevant.
The premise is that a POTUS candidate can only qualify as a natural born citizen not only having been born on US soil but also have Singular Loyalty to the US. Naturalized citizens or those born with dual nationalities would not qualify.
Baer is obviously wrong
chemjeff (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:27PM EST (link)because THIS is the biggest cleavage in the Democratic Party.
Actually I have no idea if she’s a Democrat.
Justice Thomas review is newsworthy.
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:32PM EST (link)Most of the crap posted about this subject has the veracity of a 911 Troofers meeting.
We'll see on Dec. 5 at the full conference
LI_Conservative (Diary) Wednesday, November 19th at 11:40PM EST (link)if Justice Thomas can get 3 other Justices to agree to hear this case, thereby satisfying the Rule of 4.
Just the fact that it wasn’t denied and Justice Thomas sees merit to the case is substantial. To my knowledge the issue of non-elegibilty for POTUS under the Natural Born Citizen rule has never been heard by SCOTUS before.
Holy Moly!
John_Wayne (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 12:51AM EST (link)Didn’t make ‘em like that when I was a young mammal!
“Gentlemen, you can’t fight in here! This is the War Room”
President Merkin Muffley
OOOOOO
Kudzu (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 1:51AM EST (link)Good one!!
It always did take two of you to take down one of me. – Jo Bob Priddy, North Dallas Forty.
Now on at http://kudzu630.wordpress.com/
CA Prop 8, now issue of "revision" vs. "amendment"
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 2:44AM EST (link)trumped up legal distinction to allow the Activist CA courts to decide to “hear case” so they can achieve the predetermined outcome – overturn the People’s desire to Amend its State Constitution; AGAIN!
The Fail-safe of Liberalism, and the biggest (long term legacy) threat of an Obama Administration, the entrenched Liberal Activist judges.
Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
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I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)
With pistols at twenty paces,
Achance (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 3:29AM EST (link)I’ll take McCain over Obama. This is kinda fun since we haven’t done anything like this since Burr v. Hamilton.
Any of you ever tried to hit anything with a 19th Century pistol? Ain’t easy!
In Vino Veritas
When somebody is shooting at you
mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 5:02PM EST (link)it ain’t easy to hit somebody with a 21st Century pistol. :>)
Pistols at 20 paces...
Attack Mode (Diary) Thursday, November 20th at 5:08PM EST (link)I don’t think that would be fair….McCain doesn’t have full range of motion in his arms….Can we have Cheney as our pitch hitter….;^)
“Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper” Peter Griffin…Family Guy
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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“I’ll create 5 million jobs from out of unicorn farts and pixie dust” Justatron paraphrasing Obamessiah…yes I love it that much.