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	<title>Comments on: Will an Australian infant&#8217;s death finally force antivaxxer introspection?</title>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/settingsun/2009/04/27/will-an-australian-infants-death-finally-force-antivaxxer-introspection/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:14:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Data would be useful to determine if this was a political decision or if there are medical reasons to only vaccinate women.

Evidently, the company initially selected women because of the proven link between HPV and cancer - and if you want to get approval, this was probably the strongest benefit that they could do a study on.

I don&#039;t know if HPV has an association with any male cancers. In any case, the company would need to perform clinical studies in men. How easy it would be to get an approval in males past the FDA I couldn&#039;t say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Data would be useful to determine if this was a political decision or if there are medical reasons to only vaccinate women.</p>
<p>Evidently, the company initially selected women because of the proven link between HPV and cancer &#8211; and if you want to get approval, this was probably the strongest benefit that they could do a study on.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if HPV has an association with any male cancers. In any case, the company would need to perform clinical studies in men. How easy it would be to get an approval in males past the FDA I couldn&#8217;t say.</p>
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		<title>By: settingsun</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/settingsun/2009/04/27/will-an-australian-infants-death-finally-force-antivaxxer-introspection/#comment-19</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But there are serious restrictions on how a drug maker can market something like Gardisal when the drug hasn&#039;t been approved for a class of user -- in this case males in the U.S.  

I don&#039;t know how the drug is marketed in other countries where it is approved for males.  

Since the drug is only approved for females in the U.S., I&#039;m reasonably certain the drug maker can only tout its benefits for females -- at least in advertising and marketing promotion in the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But there are serious restrictions on how a drug maker can market something like Gardisal when the drug hasn&#8217;t been approved for a class of user &#8212; in this case males in the U.S.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how the drug is marketed in other countries where it is approved for males.  </p>
<p>Since the drug is only approved for females in the U.S., I&#8217;m reasonably certain the drug maker can only tout its benefits for females &#8212; at least in advertising and marketing promotion in the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Uma Richie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/settingsun/2009/04/27/will-an-australian-infants-death-finally-force-antivaxxer-introspection/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>Uma Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>from a diary on childhood diseases to a comment about STDs.  It was the herd immunity aspect of the diary that led me to think that there is something nefarious about Gardasil being administered to only half the population.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>from a diary on childhood diseases to a comment about STDs.  It was the herd immunity aspect of the diary that led me to think that there is something nefarious about Gardasil being administered to only half the population.</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/settingsun/2009/04/27/will-an-australian-infants-death-finally-force-antivaxxer-introspection/#comment-17</link>
		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The press release certainly seems to indicate a favorable trendline from the 2006 data. At that time, some key researchers protested that the benefits were being oversold and the risks not adequately assessed. Not sure where they stand two years later. However, I&#039;m not sure I really want to pursue this further today.

But please don&#039;t put this in the same class as early childhood vaccines against measles, mumps, etc, This is a vaccine against a sexually transmitted disease.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The press release certainly seems to indicate a favorable trendline from the 2006 data. At that time, some key researchers protested that the benefits were being oversold and the risks not adequately assessed. Not sure where they stand two years later. However, I&#8217;m not sure I really want to pursue this further today.</p>
<p>But please don&#8217;t put this in the same class as early childhood vaccines against measles, mumps, etc, This is a vaccine against a sexually transmitted disease.</p>
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		<title>By: settingsun</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/settingsun/2009/04/27/will-an-australian-infants-death-finally-force-antivaxxer-introspection/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>settingsun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d welcome reviewing any links that you have, but in the interim I&#039;m going off what the FDA and CDC conclude.

http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2008/NEW01885.html

FDA Approves Expanded Uses for Gardasil to Include Preventing Certain Vulvar and Vaginal Cancers 
September 12, 2008 

“There is now strong evidence showing that this vaccine can help prevent vulvar and vaginal cancers due to the same viruses for which it also helps protect against cervical cancer,” said Jesse L. Goodman, M.D., M.P.H., director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. “While vulvar and vaginal cancers are rare, the opportunity to help prevent them is potentially an important additional benefit from immunization against HPV.”...

...Among females who tested negative for HPV types 16 or 18 at the start of the study, Gardasil was highly effective in preventing these types of HPV-related precancerous vulvar and vaginal lesions, which are considered to be the precursors for cancer. In the control group that did not receive the vaccine, 10 individuals developed precancerous vulvar lesions and nine developed precancerous vaginal lesions, all related to HPV types 16 or 18. No one in the Gardasil group developed either kind of precancerous lesion due to HPV types 16 or 18.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d welcome reviewing any links that you have, but in the interim I&#8217;m going off what the FDA and CDC conclude.</p>
<p>http://www.fda.gov/bbs/topics/NEWS/2008/NEW01885.html</p>
<p>FDA Approves Expanded Uses for Gardasil to Include Preventing Certain Vulvar and Vaginal Cancers<br />
September 12, 2008 </p>
<p>“There is now strong evidence showing that this vaccine can help prevent vulvar and vaginal cancers due to the same viruses for which it also helps protect against cervical cancer,” said Jesse L. Goodman, M.D., M.P.H., director of the FDA’s Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research. “While vulvar and vaginal cancers are rare, the opportunity to help prevent them is potentially an important additional benefit from immunization against HPV.”&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;Among females who tested negative for HPV types 16 or 18 at the start of the study, Gardasil was highly effective in preventing these types of HPV-related precancerous vulvar and vaginal lesions, which are considered to be the precursors for cancer. In the control group that did not receive the vaccine, 10 individuals developed precancerous vulvar lesions and nine developed precancerous vaginal lesions, all related to HPV types 16 or 18. No one in the Gardasil group developed either kind of precancerous lesion due to HPV types 16 or 18.</p>
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		<title>By: civil_truth</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/settingsun/2009/04/27/will-an-australian-infants-death-finally-force-antivaxxer-introspection/#comment-15</link>
		<dc:creator>civil_truth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 19:02:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My blog site partner followed this a while back, but as I recall, the vaccine was rushed to approval without adquate studies on safety (especially longer-term); its effectiveness is dubious since it is effective only against same straings of HPV. As I recall, the cancer statistics were somewhat marginal in terms of statistical significane. The last thing we need is another DES horror.

There&#039;s been a lot of coziness between the company and certain state legislators to force mandatory vaccination, which is very good for the company&#039;s sales.

Hadn&#039;t encountered before any mention of it being used in males - but the same questions remain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My blog site partner followed this a while back, but as I recall, the vaccine was rushed to approval without adquate studies on safety (especially longer-term); its effectiveness is dubious since it is effective only against same straings of HPV. As I recall, the cancer statistics were somewhat marginal in terms of statistical significane. The last thing we need is another DES horror.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s been a lot of coziness between the company and certain state legislators to force mandatory vaccination, which is very good for the company&#8217;s sales.</p>
<p>Hadn&#8217;t encountered before any mention of it being used in males &#8211; but the same questions remain.</p>
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		<title>By: Uma Richie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/settingsun/2009/04/27/will-an-australian-infants-death-finally-force-antivaxxer-introspection/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Uma Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 18:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As you pointed out in your diary above, it is important to get the whole herd immune to any disease we are trying to eradicate.  By calling Gardasil a &quot;cervical cancer&quot; vaccine, the CDC and PP make HPV seem to be a women&#039;s disease.  If they would stop spinning the cancer angle, perhaps men would also be vaccinated, thereby protecting the women that they have sex with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As you pointed out in your diary above, it is important to get the whole herd immune to any disease we are trying to eradicate.  By calling Gardasil a &#8220;cervical cancer&#8221; vaccine, the CDC and PP make HPV seem to be a women&#8217;s disease.  If they would stop spinning the cancer angle, perhaps men would also be vaccinated, thereby protecting the women that they have sex with.</p>
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		<title>By: settingsun</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 17:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By helping prevent HPV, Gardisal helps prevent the majority of cervical cancer cases. I confess, I still don&#039;t understand your hang up.

The CDC is clear on what causes HPV.  And while I&#039;m no Planned Parenthood apologist, I believe one of the PP pamphlets that you link to says on its first page that the best prevention against HPV (as with all STDs) is abstinence.  

Do you believe that any person/group that promotes education beyond advising abstinence is promoting promiscuity?  I know that there are many who do believe that, but that should still be irrelevant to the use of Gardisal.  

It is within our power to reduce cervical cancer deaths just like we have the ability to prevent the virus that killed the child in my original post.  If there is a reasonable rationale for not doing this, I have not been made aware of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By helping prevent HPV, Gardisal helps prevent the majority of cervical cancer cases. I confess, I still don&#8217;t understand your hang up.</p>
<p>The CDC is clear on what causes HPV.  And while I&#8217;m no Planned Parenthood apologist, I believe one of the PP pamphlets that you link to says on its first page that the best prevention against HPV (as with all STDs) is abstinence.  </p>
<p>Do you believe that any person/group that promotes education beyond advising abstinence is promoting promiscuity?  I know that there are many who do believe that, but that should still be irrelevant to the use of Gardisal.  </p>
<p>It is within our power to reduce cervical cancer deaths just like we have the ability to prevent the virus that killed the child in my original post.  If there is a reasonable rationale for not doing this, I have not been made aware of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Uma Richie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/settingsun/2009/04/27/will-an-australian-infants-death-finally-force-antivaxxer-introspection/#comment-12</link>
		<dc:creator>Uma Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just got back from the pediatrician&#039;s office.  Sure enough, on the info sheets there, Gardasil is touted as a &quot;cervical cancer vaccine&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just got back from the pediatrician&#8217;s office.  Sure enough, on the info sheets there, Gardasil is touted as a &#8220;cervical cancer vaccine&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Uma Richie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/settingsun/2009/04/27/will-an-australian-infants-death-finally-force-antivaxxer-introspection/#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Uma Richie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Apr 2009 21:39:44 +0000</pubDate>
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