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There has been much fretting and frowning among conservative bloggers over the question of whether Obama is using FEC reports of campaign contributions by auto dealers to shutter his political opponents.
From Mark Tapscott of the San Francisco Examiner:
There appears to be a side to the Chrysler bankruptcy that has the look of an ugly partisanship not seen in this town since Tricky Dick was in the White House composing his enemies list…
Bloggers on the Right side of the Blogosphere are up in arms over data suggesting that President Barack Obama’s White House auto industry potentates are targeting for closure Chrysler dealers with records of contributing either to Republicans like Sen. John McCain or to other Democrats in the 2008 presidential primary.
Posts at RedState, Reliapundit, American Thinker, Gateway Pundit, Joey Smith and Doug Ross pointed initially at the remarkable number of closed Chrysler dealerships whose owners happen to have been contributors to Obama opponents, mainly Republicans.
But those observations were all couched with important qualifiers, particularly that all conclusions were necessarily preliminary…
That said, when multiple dealers who have been closed are found to have contributed millions to Republicans and mere hundreds to Obama, the serious number-crunching cannot be completed too soon.
I have little if any insight or thoughts on the method used to determine which dealerships should be closed. But since we’re talking about the potential use of disclosure reports to compile an “enemies list” it seems appropriate to weigh in with a few thoughts.
First, the claim is almost certainly not true. While things may have changed somewhat since the days I was raising money for a Republican member of Congress, auto dealers are almost overwhelmingly Republican. Pretty much by definition, if you’re going to be closing down auto dealerships, you’re going to be closing down an awful lot of Republican-owned auto dealerships. A quick look at the giving by the National Auto Dealers Association PAC consistently shows contributions going to Republican candidates by about a 2 to 1 margin, and nearly 3 to 1 in one recent cycle.
More telling, however, is the fate of minority-owned auto dealers under the closings. If the Obama administration were targeting political opponents for closure, it would seem likely that political allies, or at least those the Obama administration presumably favors, would have a lower closure rate than others.
It’s speculation on my part, but I’m going to go out on a limb here and say that minority-owned dealerships would come out better-than-expected if the Obama administration were using auto dealership closures as a tool of political revenge.
So what do the numbers show? From an article in the Seattle Medium:
Of the 789 Chrysler dealers who were notified that their contracts will not be renewed, 38 are minority owned…
At the end of April, there were 154 minority dealers in Chrysler’s 3,181 total U.S. dealer body network…
According to my trusty calculator, before closings 4.84% of Chrysler’s dealers were minority owned. What percentage of auto dealers receiving closure notices are minority owned? 4.82%
At this point, the case for Obama’s use of campaign disclosure reports to compile an “enemies list” for use in the closure of auto dealerships pretty much falls apart, unless someone wants to really make a big deal of the two one-hundredths of a percent where minority-owned dealerships come out ahead.
That is not to say, however, that such concerns about the use of disclosure are unwarranted or paranoid. Politicians have a long history of using government power to go after their opponents. The escapades of ex-governor Blagojevich in Illinois and his attempt to withhold state aid for the Tribune Company unless they fired certain editorialists is just one of the more recent examples.
And the abuse, threats, and punishments delivered to donors on both sides of California’s Prop 8 battle certainly highlight the concerns raised by disclosure. Given this recent history, it’s understandable why some might fear the use of donor disclosure lists to compile an “enemies list” and then go after political opponents.
We’ve long recognized at CCP that public disclosure of contributions enables vindictive politicians and rabid extremists to harass, abuse, and punish those who dare to hold a different opinion. It’s now become clear that, in the aftermath of such abuse, disclosure can also help feed paranoia and conspiracy theories about the use of donor information.
Disclosure of contributions to political candidates and parties seem to be a permanent fact of campaign finance regulations, and we recognize that there actually may be some limited value to disclosure of such contributions (the same is emphatically not true of contributions to independent groups or ballot initiatives). But perhaps it’s time to think about at least raising the disclosure threshold for contributions to candidates and political parties, to at least lessen both the abuse to donors and the subsequent paranoia it can feed?
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Maybe this answers why the dealerships are being closed in the first place.
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 3:13PM EST (link)Since, it is widely known, that the dealerships cost the manufacturer very little to operate, and closing them saves only a pittance, perhaps this quote from the post explains it all:
“While things may have changed somewhat since the days I was raising money for a Republican member of Congress, auto dealers are almost overwhelmingly Republican. Pretty much by definition, if you’re going to be closing down auto dealerships, you’re going to be closing down an awful lot of Republican-owned auto dealerships.”
Hmmmm?
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Exactly RICK
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 3:22PM EST (link)The stupid logic people are now using saying Obama isn’t partisan because most dealerships are Republicans! LOL. The very fact that he is targeting the dealerships period is partisan.
Obama needs to reveal the criteria in choosing which dealers got closed. What happened to all that disclosure, transparency, and accountability that Obama promised?
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A good point...
seandparnell (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 3:47PM EST (link)regarding dislosing the criteria used to decide who gets closed.
But the theory that “dealers are Republicans, so closing them down is partisanship” is, shall we say, difficult to find evidence for. HIghly speculative, in fact. Especially given that closing dealerships has been (wisely or foolishly) something that has been talked about for quite some time, before Obama was even a U.S. Senator.
To each their own, of course, but I prefer not to level charges in the absence of any real evidence.
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You're right...
seandparnell (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 3:50PM EST (link)about dealers costing little directly, but there is something to be said for the idea that too many dealerships lead to too much competition between nearby dealers – great for you and me when we’re shopping for cars, of course, but a bit of a problem when you want higher prices and margins on the cars you manufacture so you don’t have to discount so steeply.
I’m not saying the dealership closings are good or bad. I’m just saying there’s not much evidence that it’s partisan in and of itself.
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It seems to me. Mr Parnell
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 4:01PM EST (link)that if competition were the factor, the marketplace would take care of that on it’s own. No government influence required.
No one is claiming that there is irrefutable evidence that Government Motors is playing partisan politics here.
But, inquisitive minds want to know. And, if there is evidence, it will only be uncovered by asking questions.
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Sure
seandparnell (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 4:08PM EST (link)I agree, inquisitive minds want to know. But that’s different than what is rocketing around the blogosphere right now, which is reflected in a few of the comments here.
And, btw, I think I’ve answered some of those questions. A lefty blog looked into the auto dealers partisan giving, see here: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/news-flash-car-dealers-are-republicans.html
Basic finding: auto dealers are overwhelmingly Republican in their giving. In other words, if you’re going to be closing down auto dealers, you’re going to be closing down auto dealers that are overwhelmingly Republican in terms of their giving, no way around it.
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My God! stop with the whole 538.com website that Moe is blamming people for-nt
DONTREADONME (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 8:17PM EST (link)The substance of his diary is pretty much the same as the substance of the 538 post. What's the problem with him linking to it? nt
redstatebluestate123 (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 8:23PM EST (link)Actually, I blammed *one* drive-by...
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 8:45PM EST (link)…and that was mostly to get everybody else’s attention.
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Apparently you were successful Moe ;) nt
redstatebluestate123 (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 9:11PM EST (link)That was the intent, yes.
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 9:18PM EST (link)I had noted that other sites’ comments sections were filling up with the same link, repeated over and over and over again; usually with a badly-spelled sneer attached. We have things in place to keep that sort of thing from happening, but it never hurts to make an example.
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By the way, I found a mathematical fallacy in the argument that I and others were making earlier regarding 538.
redstatebluestate123 (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 9:12PM EST (link)However it is essentially diary length. Would you prefer that I not clog up the diaries section with a post about something that small?
Keep it reasonable and vitriol-free and I don't care.
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 9:20PM EST (link)It’s clearly a topic of interest.
No discussion of the statistics pro or con will keep it out of the news cycle at this point anyway.
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JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 9:36PM EST (link)not everyone spends the amount of time us RS junkies do and even WE do NOT see everything said and/or goes on….. It is possible some can/do come in with an earnest attempt to add something to a comment they found with something that they think is new or at least relevant and worth repeating, (as they just uncovered/heard/read it somewhere)….
I think Moe hit it in that it all depends on whether it seems earnest commentary in relation to providing any given link or just a “sneer!” Makes all the difference in the world.
There is alot that goes unseen by the majority of even avid readers/participants.
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exitsfunnel Thursday, May 28th at 4:41PM EST (link)“Since, it is widely known, that the dealerships cost the manufacturer very little to operate, and closing them saves only a pittance”
By whom exactly is this ‘widely known?’ I ask because it’s the exact opposite of the truth. The bloated dealer networks are a giant anchor around the domestics’ necks.
The cost associated with the inefficiencies run into the billions per year. Depending on whose numbers you use and which domestic you’re talking about, the premiums run between $300 and $500 per vehicle over that of their foreign competitors with their streamlined networks.
Toyota sells almost as many vehicles in the US as GM and they do it with 1200 dealers -vs- GM’s more than 6000. Paring down the size of their dealer networks is an absolutely crucial requirement for viability and a no-brainer.
In fact, it’s probably the single most compelling reason to dip them into bankruptcy as Chapter 11 protection allows them to thumb their noses at the franchise laws which hamstring them otherwise. Getting this done outside of Chapter 11 would be wicket expensive.
It does suck for the dealers though. No question about that.
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exitsfunnel, I was going to set you up some links,
Vegas_Rick (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 4:47PM EST (link)but there’s just too darn many Google hits on the subject. Do your own research.
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Yeah
exitsfunnel Thursday, May 28th at 5:09PM EST (link)I have done my own research which was the whole point of my post. Your premise – that the savings realized by reducing their dealer networks is minimal – is absolutely, 100% wrong. There’s not an independent auto sector analyst in the world who doesn’t recognize that reducing the size of the domestics’ networks is represents an enormous savings and is a neccasary condition for their viability.
I’m absolutely baffled by the hostility on Redstate towards the reduction in the size of the networks. It just doesn’t make a lick of sense.
-exits
Did anyone factor
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 7:14PM EST (link)in those dealers picking up competing car lines? Ford and/or imports?
I wonder how much market share Chrysler and Government Motors might lose to pissed off dealers picking up competing lines? Suddenly all that savings and consolidation of “profit” vaporizes.
Other foreign car manufacturers gotta be moving fast to get more market share in the US.
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you said "almost certainly NOT" being targeted
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 5:27PM EST (link)in the title, but in the text you freely admit that what you have is broad and speculative. When push comes to shove, you offer a bunch of data that is obliquely related to the equation, admitting the numbers are still being crunched.
So first, whence this “almost certainly NOT”? No, it is NOT almost certainly not. Second, your link to NADA shows 81% went to Democrat candidates, NOT some 2-1, 3-1 in favor of Republicans. What did I miss here?
But anyway, let’s assume you’re right on that.
me offer an alternative scenario, using numbers you have provided. Let’s ballpark the numbers and say there are 3200 dealerships, of which 800 are being closed. You’re saying about 70% of dealers THAT GIVE, give to GOP PACs. What is the percentage of dealers that donate at all? I’ll just make a number up, and say 70% do.
Which means 1600 dealerships donate to Repubs, 700 to Dems, 900 not at all.
What if it turns out that the overwhelming majority, say 700 of the 800 that close, were from the crowd that donated to Repubs?
Any of your data so far refute that? I’d be curious, if it were knowable, as to what the sales or profit numbers are of the ones being closed, vs the ones retained.
Anecdotal evidence is of limited use, but so far it does not favor your “almost certainly NOT”. I am personally aware of one dealership in particular that is being closed, through my own private channels, that (a) supports GOP, and (b) out-sold and out-profited WILDLY its two nearest dealers, who remain open and whose politics I don’t know for sure about.
What we know of the Obama administration so far hardly quells the bad thoughts here. The beneficiaries of Porkulus sure look alot like (a) unions, (b) other Dem constituencies, and (3) bloated bureaucracies.
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Almost certainly not means...
seandparnell (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 5:44PM EST (link)Well, “almost.” There’s a chance I’m wrong.
But the NADA numbers you cite are for 2010 – very limited. Go back and look at 1998 – 2008 cycles.
Also, you can check this site out: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/05/news-flash-car-dealers-are-republicans.html
Shows that the imbalance is even more than my numbers suggest (which makes sense because business PACs tend to be more bi-partisan in their giving than individuals in the industry).
We’re both looking at proxies, of course. Absent someone coming up with videotape of Obama administration offiicals conspiring to stick it to GOP dealers, or release of a pure formula-driven process for determining which dealers get closed, that’s all anybody can do. And the evidence (I very rarely use the term “proof,” btw) pretty clearly points to auto dealers being largely Republican in orientation, meaning that just about any list of auto dealers – closed, saved, urban, rural, foreign, domestic, luxury, economy, well run, poorly run – is going to tilt heavily towards Republicans.
Is there possibly evidence out there that counters my point? Well, sure – anything that doesn’t include space aliens, time travel, etc, is “possible,” and occasionally the barely possible happens.
Biut until I see such evidence, I’m going to be very skeptical.
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Inre that NADA link
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 6:16PM EST (link)What I got (the 81%dem, 19% repub) was directly off the front page of the link.
If you want me to see the 2-to-1 and 3-to-1 numbers (which I believe, by the way), then you pop up a link, that link needs to give me something in support of that. Without me having to plug in 1998-2008, or whatever.
So you are skeptical. Frankly, I am about 40-60 on this one — somewhat skeptical, but a hefty minority of me believes the Obamanistas and their union cronies would do exactly this sort of thing. Evidence from days 1-120 is very amenable to that mindset.
Not trying to write your diary for you here, but “almost certainly NOT” [as your headline] needs to be backed by more hard data and less dot-connecting, in my opinion.
The opposite conclusion is quite possible. 70% of dealerships are right-leaning. You’ve described why it’s entirely plausible that 70% of the kills might be from that group. But what if it ends up being 95%? What then?
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Bill S (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 7:08PM EST (link)so you’ll not convince many if that’s all you have to offer.
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I would suggest that your "almost" and your "might be wrong"...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 7:31PM EST (link)is correct….the evidence is piling up in favor that this President and his Car Czar whose wife is a Democrat fundraiser are indeed targeting Republican car dealerships in their cuts and I will “suggest” that you allow the investigation to go forward before you go throwing out diaries on Redstate trying to put the kibosh on what is a very interesting and compelling and disgusting story that has all the makings of the Chicago Way!
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Stephen Halsey (Diary) Friday, May 29th at 12:05AM EST (link)This whole situation just flat out smells. It sure seems plausible that this whole car company grab by this regime is a naked move to expand the corruption apparatus of the Democrat Party.
Pieces of the puzzle………
The car czar is not a ‘car guy’.
The car czar is married to a fund raising DNC mover and shaker.
GM and Chrysler have essentially been stolen from shareholders and investors and seized by the government and practically deeded to the unions.
Dealerships ships are closed, seemingly based on politics and in localities where multiple Chrysler dealerships are located, the remaining sole dealership owner is a Democrat.
Noted over at Gateway Pundit, there seem to already be plans in the works to reopen dealerships in localities where no dealerships remain after the initial carnage.
New dealership owners are certain to be Democrat leaning and, given the racial charged nature of this regime in its constant polarization of the nation, you could see new ownership be predominately minority. Obama is after social and economic justice, remember.
So when the dust settles you have a mostly government owned car company with a network of dealers that are supporters of the Democrat Party, operating in near monopoly environments virtually ensuring a steady flow of campaign contributions from the revenue stream of these dealerships.
You think this is crazy? Remember, this is the same bunch that raised millions in illegal campaign contributions through their website by not matching names and addresses and CC #s. Clear credit card fraud that went unchecked.
This whole car dealership scam is just another example of the naked corruption of this regime and how they are playing for keeps. We need to step up our game.
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I hope all these conservative dealers
molybdanthan (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 7:23PM EST (link)run for office. Libs like to showcase the people their laws have helped. How about hearing from those it hurts.
Self-beclowning, an avoidable tragedy
streiff (Diary) Thursday, May 28th at 7:59PM EST (link)iwhat is missing from this story s analysis at any level.
Lots of assertion but not a whit of data or analysis.
Did you look at the location of the dealerships by the voting pattern of the congressional district? Who represents the dealer in Congress?
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