A quick rant to start this off: Know your enemy. My inbox sickens me every day with psychotic rantings from moveon.org and the angry, babykilling chants of NARAL. Not to mention various other liberal organizations. I do this for one reason only: to know what they’re up to and look for opportunities for countermeasures. Every now and then, I think to myself, why do I not just unsubscribe from this garbage? But then, as happened yesterday, I get an email that reminds me why I subject myself to it.
Yesterday, I received an email from Daniel Mintz, of Move On’s political action arm. It came with a link to a petition to treasury secretary Tim Geithner. The message:
“We can’t trust the same people who got us into this financial mess to help lead us out. Replace the leadership at the bailed-out banks, starting with Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis.“
That’s the gist. If you want to read it, here’s the whole message (out of fairness, I’ve also included their ‘sources’):
Dear MoveOn member,
Last week the Obama administration took tough, decisive action with the auto industry, forcing the resignation of the CEO of General Motors.
The president knows that we can’t trust the same folks who got us into this mess to help lead us out.
It’s time to do the same for the banks. And the best way to start is by firing Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis. He’s the worst of the worst.
Lewis’s poor management helped ruin his company and our economy. Shareholders are calling him “reckless” and citing “disastrous missteps.”1 Worse, Lewis accepted $45 billion in taxpayer bailout funds, but instead of using all the money to get the economy going again, he let $3.6 billion go to bonuses for top execs.2
There can’t be real reform on Wall Street until the CEOs who brought down the banks we had to bail out are long gone.
Can you sign our petition asking Treasury Secretary Geithner replace the leadership at bailed out banks—starting with Ken Lewis? Clicking here adds your name:
http://pol.moveon.org/lewis//o.pl?id=15895-10098841-dQqO7mx&t=4
The petition says: “We can’t trust the same people who got us into this financial mess to help lead us out. Replace the leadership at the bailed-out banks, starting with Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis.“
Lewis is the CEO of the biggest bank in the United States.3 If Secretary Geithner forces him to resign, it’ll send a strong message to the rest of Wall St.: The era of zero accountability is over and reckless behavior that puts our economy at risk won’t be tolerated.
Of all the folks who helped bring about the recession, Lewis is one of the worst:
- Shareholders say he helped drive the company into the ground. Bank of America has lost billions—and 90% of its value—in part because Lewis “hastily arranged the ill-considered acquisition” of Merrill Lynch.4
- Even after the crisis, he hasn’t changed his ways. He ensured that high-level staff received bonuses—despite recent announcements that the bank was laying off another 35,000 employees.5
- On top of all this, he’s fighting against more rights for workers. Three days after receiving $25 billion in bailout money, Bank of America brought together powerful banking interests to figure out how to defeat the Employee Free Choice Act, a bill that makes it easier for workers to form unions.6
Ken Lewis has got to go. And we need to look closely at the other bailed-out banks that may need new leadership too.
Our friends at Service Employees International Union (the country’s fastest-growing union) have been leading this campaign for a few weeks—and they’re building momentum quickly. If hundreds of thousands of us act, together, we’ll be impossible to ignore. Please sign today!
http://pol.moveon.org/lewis//o.pl?id=15895-10098841-dQqO7mx&t=5
Thanks for all you do.
–Daniel, Patrick S., Eli, Lenore and the rest of the team
Sources:
1. “Investment group calls on BofA to fire Ken Lewis,” WCNC, March 5, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51294&id=15895-10098841-dQqO7mx&t=6“Union to B of A: Fire Ken Lewis or Risk a Shareholder Revolt,” Talking Points Memo, March 5, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51295&id=15895-10098841-dQqO7mx&t=72. “Thain tells investigators BofA’s Ken Lewis knew of bonuses,” CNN Money, February 20, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51285&id=15895-10098841-dQqO7mx&t=83. “Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis scores another deal,” Fortune, September 15, 2008
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51289&id=15895-10098841-dQqO7mx&t=94. “Investment group calls on BofA to fire Ken Lewis,” WCNC, March 5, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51294&id=15895-10098841-dQqO7mx&t=105. “Ken Lewis, What’s Really in Your Company’s Best Interest?” SEIU Blog, February 12, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51290&id=15895-10098841-dQqO7mx&t=116. “Bailout Recipients Hosted Call to Defeat Key Labor Bill,” Huffington Post, January 27, 2009
http://www.moveon.org/r?r=51292&id=15895-10098841-dQqO7mx&t=12
What we’re looking at here is simple distraction. It is an extension of the liberals’ general goal of making you forget whose fault this is. It’s a simple strategy: misdirect and incite to action. Liberals who are busy frothing at the mouth and signing petitions don’t have time to examine reality. And that’s precisely what Daniel Mintz — and Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, for that matter — want.
People are starting to notice what RedState bloggers and Conservative talkers have been saying all along: that this is the Democrats’ mess. And the Dems are noticing that we’re noticing. And they don’t like it. To wit:
Daniel Mintz and Barney Frank don’t want you to remember that this all started with Jimmy Carter and company mandating that banks give loans to people of dubious reliability (PS, the entire above link is well worth the read, and counts as my citation on other points as well). Or that said legislation was tightened further in the age of “Political Correctness.” Or that Barney Frank denied Fannie and Freddie were in trouble — all the while having slept with a former Fannie Mae exec, and recieving over $40,000 in campaign donations from the group. Or that Frank and Dodd, both recipients of thousands of dollars in campaign donations from Fannie and Freddie, as well as AIG and others, ignored warnings that the housing bubble had to burst. They don’t want you to remember that they voted for a bailout package nobody had time to read, or that they voted for the “bailout bonuses” everybody’s up in arms about.
No, Democrats don’t want to take any blame for this mess we’re in. And so, they point the finger at bank CEOs — for doing what banks do! They seek to unconstitutionally expand the powers of, not only the President, but the President’s underlings, to dictatorial proportions. And moveon.org is trying to convince people, not only to accept these unprecedented governmental powers, but to ask for them. Tricky as hell, Dan Mintz. Sly as an effing fox.
It’s up to us, then — we who know the truth — to counter these lies. We haven’t forgotten where this crisis came from, and we can’t let them forget, either.
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
Thanks Randy....
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 9:37AM EST (link)That is a good wrap up…and you are right. We, Republicans and conservatives, must not let up on this. As shown in the video Frank et al realize they are getting backed into a corner…hopefully if we keep the pressure on he will do something that can’t be covered up or swept away by attacking college students with valid questions.
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agreed, and I have been calling out the Charlotte Observer for their vendetta
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 10:52AM EST (link)against BAC since last winter.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
Have any of these people from moveon or the AIG haters ever worked
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 11:26AM EST (link)I’m sorry but nobody with any work experience would be thinking like this. Are they all like living off rich relatives money or something?
I’m sure Mr. Lewis is a tough cookie having the job he does but I hope they don’t stress him out too badly. The whole AIG stuff made me sick too, I can’t believe they took people to private houses.
Work? How can you be a full-time activist AND have a job?
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 11:30AM EST (link)And, with a government willing to pay for your house and buy your food so you can rail against how terrible the government is, why WOULD you get a job?
this is why their activists outnumber ours so much, by the way. Conservatives HAVE jobs.
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You can work for a union, a non-profit, all sorts
Achance (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 11:33AM EST (link)of interest groups. The Ds have studiously built a shadow government where they can train people, agitate, organize, give people jobs when they’re out of power, etc.
We have none of that stuff. When we lose elections, everybody who worked for us or sided with us goes to the unemployment line. That’s a major reason why we can never hold on to power or get a grip on government bureaucracies.
In Vino Veritas
non-profit
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:14PM EST (link)A l-o-n-g time ago I dated a man that worked for one. It wasn’t a service one, like he wasn’t a nurse at a non-profit hosptial. It was a place that people gave money too and they gave it to other non-profits. I was always surprised at how much free time they all had there. I think the director basically worked until 11, went to lunch and never would return in the afternoon. I think it’s great if you have a flexible job so you can get to an appointment without taking the whole day off but hair and nails is not like a doctors appointment. My friend was the accountant and him and the receptionist would always be the only 2 people there.
Living off rich relatives money
izoneguy (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 11:34AM EST (link)Yes, that relative is you & me – my brothers & sisters.
Working for the “man” is beneath their dignity.
Why “work” when your president says the evil rich
people will be forced to re-distribute their wealth to you?
This “theory” of re-distribution that Obama pushes will
only push out the producers and the generators of wealth,
leaving behind the unwashed masses.
The “poor” will also be forced to re-distribute whatever they
have eventually. Obama’s ponzi scheme will only lead to
social unrest and economic collapse.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Come one...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:07PM EST (link)“Democrats don’t want to take any blame for this mess we’re in. And so, they point the finger at bank CEOs — for doing what banks do! ”
Come on. Nobody put a gun to these guy’s head and made them make loans on half million dollar homes to people making $40k.
These banks messed up . Big Time. The CEO’s should be fired for what happened to the stockholders. Anything else would be rewarding failure.
Once you go and accept federal money, you are saying you don’t want to play in the free market.
Fine, if that’s their choice.
But once you decide to play the Feds game, it’s disingenuous to complain about the Fed taking control.
THAT’S WHAT THEY DO.
I’m not going to tell someone they can’t have a rattlesnake as a pet but I’m also not going to feel sorry for them when they get bit.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Uh, yes they did
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:19PM EST (link)Several of them, Wells Fargo that I remember specifically – DID IN FACT have guns to their heads (figuratively, but no less certainly) and forced to take money.
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Did they?
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:38PM EST (link)Or was it a contingency on playing with the government programs?
Could a bank stay completely out the business of government loans?
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
No. That would be considered discrimination.
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:18PM EST (link)If a bank makes fixed rate mortgages and is willing to make loans to people who can get approved through the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac underwriting platform, they are not allowed to pick and choose.
You would be sued for illegal discrimination so fast it would make your head spin.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Yes. They did
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:47PM EST (link)Here, the WSJ put together this article, based on conversations with those in the room when Paulson, Bernanke, and Bair handed each of them their deals, their terms, and a pistol if they did not want to sign. There were not debates, no discussions, and no options.
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Sure the banks messed up. But they aren't solely responsible for the situation we're in.
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:20PM EST (link)Frankly, they aren’t even “alot” responsible.
As for the rest:
If you want to be an apologist for the massive, dictatorial liberal powergrab going on here, fine. But it was THE FED who put no strings on the money. They didn’t tell these companies, “hey, we’ll bail you out, but then we own your ass.”
This isn’t about feeling sorry for anybody; it’s about a government going WAY outside its charter.
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The CEO's are responsible...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:44PM EST (link)Come on.
They are in charge. They made the decisions. They got rich on the way up and they deserve the blame on the way down.
THE CEO’s ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR BANKS FAILING.
Come on. Is responsibility something ceded to the government?
I don’t buy it.
My business will succeed or fail by on my efforts and my decisions. What happens in the economy, the government or competition has no impact on my ultimate responsibility. NONE.
The success will be mine. Or failure.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Not with liberal regulation in the way, it isn't.
randy streu (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:18PM EST (link)Through the fair housing act and others, these banks WERE FORCED to start giving loans to people who couldn’t afford them. They knew they were bad risks, but didn’t have the legal authority to tell them no. So they charged them out the wazoo. that’s what you do with bad risk.
Are you honestly suggesting that the government — that Barney Frank — is blameless? Don’t make me laugh.
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ignorrance is bliss librep...your cup doth overflow...nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:22PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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liberalrepublican
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:36PM EST (link)They are taking it too far. I agree with not wanting gov strings but they are taking it too far, attacking this man. It’s like they are evil just for being a successful CEO. That is why I asked if they ever worked, because I know when we ever see bad press or some media or even someone saying something about someone related to our work, we always half joke and say well he is feeding our kids or keeping our lights on.
I don’t think the bailouts were even the banks ideas, I think it was from the federal reserve.
I hear you...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:54PM EST (link)“It’s like they are evil just for being a successful CEO.”
They aren’t successful CEO’s.
These guys are responsible for some of the biggest failures in American business history.
Their decisions, literally, cost their shareholders (bosses) billions and billions of dollars.
I wouldn’t hire them to run a lemonade stand.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
Ok Librep....are you really Barney Frank...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:10PM EST (link)because you sound an awful lot like him.
What responsibility, if any, do you put on the Democratic Congress that was in charge for the last 2+ years?…or how about FM/FM and Frank specifically? What about the CRA and the huge steroids shot that Clinton gave to it. Or the fact that Banks were indeed forced, by threat of govt, to lone money to individuals who had no business getting those loans?
Seriously you need to get a clue…you are here all the time and yet you have never read any of the information that shows where the blame truly belongs…you are willfully ignorant…and in my book that equals troll.
Now go read this link
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You don't know anything about BofA
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:26PM EST (link)They *were* a very successful bank and they *were* required to take the TARP money with the caveat that they would be expected to purchase other troubled institutions. This was supposedly going to save the FDIC and the financial sector.
Then they were *forced* to purchase Merrill, which turned out to be an enormous loss for them. *Then* they got into cash flow difficulties.
But it had everything to do with the demands of their primary regulators and not their own banking activities.
And you could write everything you know about banking on your fingernail. Ignorance is unforgivable when you keep spouting opinions. When you don’t have any idea what you are talking about, STFU.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Moveon is really a democratic
antisocial (Diary) Friday, April 10th at 1:53AM EST (link)party organization. They got bit by the Phony AIG Outrage. And then the story about Obama denying the banks right to pay back loan broke. These guys realized this was gaining traction. So they sprung into action to divert attention and target the biggest bank.
I also remember when there was run on Merril government brokered a deal. This was sort a favor extended by Bank Of America.
In the end it is all about class warfare and ultimately TOTAL control. Stinking Rich you know….
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What is to be done?
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
No. Moveon is COMMUNIST.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, April 10th at 6:06AM EST (link)It’s about time to call a spade a spade.
It’s about time to check the platform and activities of these organizations.
It’s about time to “SCRUTINIZE” the third parties living like parasites in the Democratic Party.
Start your search with CPUSA and DSA.
You will find that the Democratic Party’s present principles are totally realigned with the CPUSA and DSA platform.
CPUSA’s first policy platform is denouncing WAR of all kind.
It is very logical that a branch of communist party
antisocial (Diary) Friday, April 10th at 11:59AM EST (link)will be a communist.
Progressive Movement =====> Communist ====> Democratic Party
The ideology is the SAME. Just the names have changed.
BTW…. Moveon is a hate org…. We should never forget what they did with General Petraeus.
Obama Doctrine – Boot On The Throat
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
I agree.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Friday, April 10th at 2:41PM EST (link)The diagram , though minimal, speaks volumes of the relationship between the said evil groups.
If you want more specific details, you can go here:
www.discoverthenetworks.org
Rod if we look at the history
antisocial (Diary) Sunday, April 12th at 1:20AM EST (link)starting from late 19th century to right until Obama we see a definite trend. The war-cry of “fairness” in economic situation has never gone away. Remember Barack Obama said during his campaign… “What the government must do on your behalf” Or something to that effect.
That is classic progressive or communist ideology.
Obama Doctrine – Boot On The Throat
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
I'll have to do some more research
Slightly_Askew (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:30PM EST (link)But in an interview I was listening to with a senior bank executive that took the money, the common consensus was that taking the money was seen as an indicator that the bank was actively working to help their investors and was seen as a good thing by wall street. It was only later, when they realized that everyone, even the ones that should have failed, were taking the money, did it become a scarlet letter. That, combined with the “after the fact” rules that the Fed was putting on the money, convinced this bank to return the money. He also said that he expected this type of move would become more common among those banks that were able to support themselves.
You know who else defended the state controlling private business?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:45PM EST (link)Mussolini.
I know I know, liberalrepublican. You’re not actualy taking a stand and supporting The Leader as he works to impose totalitarian control over all industries, starting with banks, auto manufacturers, and medical care.
You’re too much of a coward to do that. Instead you come here and play a passive-aggressive game of trying to nitpick the opposition to The Leader without actually being honest about what side you’re on.
You’re a real piece of work.
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5∞ ....nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:48PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Look at me, I'm liberalrepublican!
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:56PM EST (link)The story: Obama announces plans to impose mandatory diet restrictions on public school students
Liberalrepublican’s apology: Come on. As a Republican, I thought we were in favor of personal responsibility. Nobody’s making these parents send their kids to public schools. If you’re going to rely on government, then you have to follow the rules. And it’s not exactly hurting the kids to make them eat genuine UFW produced fruits and vegetables anyway.
The Story: Obama announces workfare program: all individuals who have accepted welfare in the last 6mo must now volunteer for 6 hours with Organize for America, an ACORN affiliate, or a new group founded by Ralph Nader.
Liberalrepublican’s apology: Nobody made these people go on welfare. What’s the harm in teaching them life skills, and getting them engaged in public affairs? This can only help America.
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Neil...
liberalrepublican (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:02PM EST (link)I personally have gone for days without food to stay off government programs.
I’ve lived in my car to stay off government programs.
“Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. … including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy”
And yet you apologize for creeping totalitarianism?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:10PM EST (link)That makes no sense.
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ha ha ha... Perfect
antisocial (Diary) Friday, April 10th at 1:57AM EST (link).
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Recessions and energy prices.
stang (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:08PM EST (link)Alan Reynolds makes a compelling argument that the current, world-wide recession, as have nearly all past recessions, began with the huge spike in energy prices, ie $145/bbl oil.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/04092009/postopinion/opedcolumnists/it_didnt_start_here_163630.htm
The basic premise employed by the left that supports the call for bank CEO heads on pikes that they, the banks, were the cause of the this whole mess is a red herring.
While one could certainly question the decision making of a number of bank CEO’s, they have been constrained in large degree to reacting to broader economic conditions that resulted from the high energy costs that are the result of the numerous edicts and rules promulgated by the same idiots now calling for their heads. Reynolds; “And the US/UK financial crises in the fall of 2008 were likewise as much a consequence of recession as the cause: Recessions turn good loans into bad”.
Dodd, Frank, Pelosi, Schumer and other leftist luminaries’, fingerprints are all over $145/bbl oil. (No drilling, No nukes, not now not never. NEVER!) I should be remiss if also failed to mention and give credit to their criminal co-conspirators in the predominantly America-hating OPEC.
If Reynolds is correct, and I’m inclined to agree with him, then this entire “Lynch the Bankers and CEO’s” meme is just a populist ruse for the Left to obfuscate their complicity in driving energy prices through the roof. They have admitted higher fossil (non-green) fuel prices are their goal. See: Obama: I’ll make energy prices “skyrocket”.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/02/obama-ill-make-energy-prices-skyrocket/
Don’t be fooled by the left’s lynchmob propaganda.
“The essence of lying is in deception, not in words.”
John Ruskin
“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”
John Locke
I'm morally certain there was an active conspiracy
Achance (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:24PM EST (link)to both drive up the price of oil and attack the US economy for the pupose of electing the Communist in Chief.
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Ditto that
E Pluribus Unum (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:10PM EST (link)I think in general they planned on all this stuff to come to a head in the June-Sept time frame. And I think it REALLY hit the fan when Palin got the VP nod and the McCain-Palin ticket actually surged ahead in the polls for a time.
And I don’t think it’s even REMOTELY crazy to believe that. I believe they drove gas prices over $4 for a year (or whatever) to cripple regular working people and turn them against the Bush Administration. Remember, there was never any real, tangible reason for those prices going up, no supply-demand issue, no shortage. Just commodities speculation that continued to feed on itself for seemly no reason at all.
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Ditto your ditto, EPU.
stang (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:47PM EST (link)Commodity markets are much easier to manipulate, with more immediate impact, than the housing market.
“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”
John Locke
Soros
Jack_Savage (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 9:30PM EST (link)There is a Pulitzer awaiting an intrepid reporter who is willing to dig a little bit on Mr. Soros.
I Don't Buy This
IJB Thursday, April 9th at 12:33PM EST (link)Commodities prices played a role, sure. But everyone knew there was a housing bubble as far back as 2001-2002.
The reason this particular downturn is so bad is because it is multifaceted – lots of different factors played a role.
Did you read Reynolds' article IJB?
stang (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:21PM EST (link)The housing bubble was exacerbated by the effects of energy prices but not the cause of the recession. Please explain how Reynolds’ assessment is flawed. Please note the timing of the economic downturns overseas.
Reynolds;
“What did all the contracting economies have in common? Not all had housing booms — certainly not Canada, Japan, Sweden or the other countries at the bottom of the economic-growth list.
What really triggered this recession should be obvious, since the same thing happened before every other postwar US recession save one (1960).
In 1983, economist James Hamilton of the University of California at San Diego showed that “all but one of the US recessions since World War Two have been preceded, typically with a lag of around three-fourths of a year, by a dramatic increase in the price of crude petroleum.” The years 1946 to 2007 saw 10 dramatic spikes in the price of oil — each of which was soon followed by recession.”
What you are buying is the left’s narrative en toto.
“Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any farther obedience, and are left to the common refuge which God hath provided for all men against force and violence.”
John Locke
The good news is...
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:31PM EST (link)Well…it’s a stretch to call it good news, but…
The Teleprompter in Chief seems to believe that high energy prices are a *good* thing and intends to bring them back.
If we can assume that he will get his way, the economy is going to suck waaaayy before the next election.
The bad news is, losses like that can never be recovered. We will never have back all the money we sent to our enemies over in the ME who used it to kill our soldiers. And I hate George Soros and all his minions in our gov’t.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Oh, they'll get high energy prices back
TNJim (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:42PM EST (link)whether it’s with taxes, more market tomfoolery, or both.
Dittos on Soros.
So MoveOn's war moved from Iraq into Corporate CEOs.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:48PM EST (link)But it’s understandable.
MoveOn is still within the bounds of the CPUSA/DSA’s key agenda for Americans: anti-war and anti-capitalism., among others.
Liberalrepublican, read Mao!
Michael M. Keohane (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 12:57PM EST (link)When a government, that has great regulatory power over your business and can interfere with your operations at will and without penalty, tells you to do something – there is a gun aimed at your head. Political power, as Mao said, grows out of the barrel of a gun. Government regulators, following the instructions of Presidents and Congresses, made offers to the bankers that “they could not refuse.” Now, the usual suspects are doing their best to focus the attention of the public on the primary victim – the banking system.
Do not classify the words or deeds of your opponents as being hatefull, malicious or criminal in nature if they can also be easily characterized as simple ignorance or gross stupidity. Anon.
MoveOn's right.
TNJim (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 1:34PM EST (link)“We can’t trust the same people who got us into this financial mess to help lead us out. Replace the leadership at the bailed-out banks, starting with Bank of America CEO Ken Lewis.“
So let’s also get rid of Barney Frank, Chris Dodd, Charles Schumer, ACORN (who threatened to sue Citi if they didn’t grant loans to high-risk borrowers), President Obama, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, etc. etc.
Interesting that all of MoveOn’s “sources” are links to within their own website.
Pathetic.
One of the best examples I've seen,
ModerateIN Thursday, April 9th at 9:27PM EST (link)In regards to Frank and Dodd’s complete ineptness, has been shown in specials like PBS Frontline “Inside the Meltdown” (and numerous other instances). Days AFTER Lehman Brothers declared bankruptcy and Merrill Lynch was sold, Bernanke and Paulson were informing Congressional leadership at just how bad the situation was. You have Dodd saying this…
“I had no idea I was going to hear what I heard.”
This was in the middle of SEPTEMBER. You’re the Chairman of the Senate BANKING Committee. To this point you’ve witnessed the collapse of Bear Stearns, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, Lehman Brothers, Merrill Lynch, and countless banks . And you’re acting LIKE YOU HAD NO IDEA WHAT WAS GOING ON!?!
Can you imagine if a CEO said that in front of Congress?
As for Representative Frank, every defense I’ve heard can either be summed up in “That’s not what I meant!” or “Yes our financial system was almost destroyed, but look at THIS bit of legislation I helped pass.”
Take some responsibility, Congressmen. It happened under your watch. On the slim chance you actually didn’t do anything wrong, you still didn’t do anything.
Or Frank just responds
TNJim (Diary) Thursday, April 9th at 9:35PM EST (link)in utter indignation that someone could even think he was somehow responsible, as in the video in Randy’s post above.