I’m writing you from the floor of the Califorina Republican Party’s (CRP) convention in Indian Wells, CA. For you non-Californians, the CRP holds two conventions every year — usually in February and September. The September convention before an election year is the de facto kickoff for the various campaigns. That’s why we’ve got here the various contenders for the CA GOP nomination out in force here: most notably Poizner, Whitman, and Campbell for Governor, and DeVore and Fiorina for U.S. Senate.
Carly Fiorina is the only major candidate who isn’t attending this convention. Her reason, as explained to Jon Fleischman in the Flash Report and Karen Tumulty at Time (yeah, I know), is that her cancer treatments preclude her from coming. Well, okay — but as RedState noted, she was certainly able to videoconference in with Elizabeth Edwards a few weeks back, and she’s planning on keynoting the Web 2.0 Summit in a couple of weeks. Oh, and she’s also jetting off to conferences in Milan and Sao Paolo shortly after that.
The Fiorina campaign is not pleased that a Rasmussen poll released on the convention’s first day shows Chuck DeVore as the stronger candidate against Barbara Boxer. Pretty tough when all that cash and name recognition buys you a solid second place.
But that’s not why I’m writing. I’m not even writing to tell you that they’ve plastered the convention hotel with “CARLYFORNIA DREAMIN’!!!” placards, complete with the three exclamation points. I’m not even writing to tell you that Carly’s staff are walking around blaming high-priced Hollywood-flack McCain-’08-veteran Fred Davis for their disastrous website. No.
I’m writing to tell you about the loose talk here about Carly and the NRSC, emanating from the friends of Larry Elder.
You know Larry Elder: the African-American, Californian, libertarian, popular radio host and firebrand. He’s been around for a while, and he’s a solid presence on the California media-and-politics scene. Elder is a serious name and presence among California Republicans. He just wrapped up his radio show. “Why,” you might ask, “doesn’t Larry Elder run for the Senate?”
There is an answer accorinding to many of Elder’s friends at the Republican Convention — Senator Cornyn and the NRSC told him not to.
Here’s the story that is circulating at the convention: Back in the spring, Elder went to Washington to sit down with John Cornyn and the NRSC, and ask for their support for a bid for U.S. Senate against Barbara Boxer. Cornyn and the NRSC told him the following:
- If Elder chose to run, they would not support him.
- The NRSC was already committed to supporting Carly Fiorina
- The NRSC expected Fiorina to lose against Boxer, but expected her to tie up Democrat resources in the meantime.
So Larry Elder came back to California and did not run. You know the rest: he’s watched the Fiorina campaign move from crisis to crisis (failure to vote, Iran sales, revelation of no self-funding, no CRP attendance, this Rasmussen poll, that website, etc.), and feeling increasingly frustrated. It’s probably too late for him to enter and Larry is hot under the collar that Cornyn gave him such terrible advice. So he’s talking to his friends — and his friends are talking to us — and I’m talking to you.
How incompetent is this? The NRSC actually told a popular African-American with statewide name recognition to NOT run? Last I checked, our party isn’t overflowing with those.
Oh, and the NRSC expects Carly Fiorina to lose to Barbara Boxer — and they told a talk radio host this?
California Republicans are used to a parade of incompetence and self-defeating stupidity at the highest levels of our beloved party. But this goes beyond what we’re used to. The NRSC nixed a perfectly viable and unique candidacy in favor of a candidate whose own website ponders if she is “coming soon?” I’d be mad if I were Larry Elder. In fact, I’m not Larry Elder, and I’m mad anyway.
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Third Street (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 5:32AM EST (link)I’ve missed Larry since his show went off. Great radio host and great conservative (to the consternation of many of his large-”L” Libertarian listeners who felt he’d betrayed them). I remember hearing his name floated for Senate some months back; knew it would never happen, but now hearing the inside story just makes me furious.
Forcing the Democrats to spend money in California is something of an accomplishment in itself. But if Cornyn has already decided that a winnable Senate seat is lost, over a year out — despite the fact that 2010 promises to put Boxer in the worst environment she’s ever faced in any of her four Senate races — then what the hell does it matter whether we lose with DeVore, Elder, or a complete dingbat? It’s not enough that the GOP won’t play to win; it also insists on completely embarrassing itself to boot? What kind of amateur hour is this?!
I can’t even finish reading Fiorina’s campaign slogan before last night’s dinner begins lobbying me in earnest to decorate my computer screen. This already promises to become the biggest debacle since the Katherine Harris Senate campaign, though at least Rep. Harris was able to claim a record of success and basic competence in her previous position of responsibility.
Go Chuck, go.
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Wiley for Senate ignored NRSC
wileyforsenate (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 11:22AM EST (link)I did not go to Washington to kiss the robe of Sen. Cronyn. We can have lunch after I win the Republican primary against seven other contenders, four of which are approved career politicians you know do nothing Republicans.
We conservatives need to stick together and continue to fight for the people. There is a group of us around the country who like me Mike Wiley are “untouchables” and we need to go to Washington and Clean house and Senate.
Go Chuck Go. When someone asks what can one man do, tell them I am going with Wiley to clean up that town.
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Carly the "Cheerleader"
vinnster2 Monday, September 28th at 5:45AM EST (link)This kind of stuff is why the Republican party is in the mess it is in. I have worked with Carly and I know her capabilities. She is the female version of Obama…all talk and no delivery. Those that know her refer to her as the “Cheerleader”. She can talk a great talk, but never delivers. Look at her time at HP. She spent her whole time there talking about how to change HP, but never did anything to make it happen. Then pulled the classic Liberal victim meme when she was fired…”the good old boys kept me from being successful”.
I feel sorry for you folks, Larry Elder would be 10X better than Carly, but the idiots that run the Republican party still have not figured out what the Teaparty people are all about and I fear will not tap such a chance to change America for the better.
John Galt is alive and well.
Well, first of all, my dead white cat would be better
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:54AM EST (link)than Carly. And second, all her election to the Senate would mean is that CA would still have the dumbest Senator, she’d just have – barely – changed parties.
Oh, and did I mention that she was an early and strong supporter of McCain?
And being that
Steph C (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 5:57AM EST (link)Cornyn is in that legislative branch in D.C. is it any wonder we’ve lost confidence in our so-called Republican leadership?
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peg_c (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:36AM EST (link)No news there. Sigh.
Government cannot be the solution when government is the problem.
As a California registered Independent....
lazlor Monday, September 28th at 8:09AM EST (link)Folly…
Incompetence…
Douchebaggery…
Larry Elder would/have wiped the floor against any opponent. My wife(registered Dem, but has voted *conservative *due to.. me..lol) and I would have voted for him faster than a Dem signs a spending bill…
..sigh…
I used to admire Cornyn
johnCV (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:20AM EST (link)However he has moved for a stauch conservative to a fairly reliable conservative (all that growth in office…), but he is now a disaster to future senate elections. He appears utterly blind to what has been happening outside of the beltway and is missing an outstanding opportunity in the next 2 cyles to capitalize upon widespread anger at what DC is doing to the country. That is, unless he agrees with what is going on…….
He should step down as NRSC chair before he asks Dukakis to run ans a R on the ticket in MA.
too late to run?!
newred Monday, September 28th at 8:44AM EST (link)With 9 MONTHS until the primary, there is no reason for someone with real ambition to serve as the junior CA Senator to decline to run. Larry is definitely a principled conservative, and with higher name recognition he should have a better fund raising base among Republicans and conservatives inside and outside of CA than DeVore. Basically, I believe the “It’s probably too late for him to enter” is a bunk excuse. If he’s really hot under the collar, and not just looking to use the NRSC situation to raise his media profile for a new radio gig, then he would get into the race. Carly is a flame-out and needs a total retooling to even stay in the race. DeVore is still an unknown and has little money compared to Boxer, but still is keeping within the high single digits of her. He’s acting as the generic Republican in the polls. If Larry has the CA following that Insider claims, then quickly pulling together a campaigning team and money shouldn’t be an issue. In short, the response to Larry should be this: We think you have potential, and yes, the NRSC screwed you a bit, but it’s time to put up or shut up. We need a candidate, not a complainer.
I was thinking the same thing
WarEagle01 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:57AM EST (link)There is still time for Elder to put together a decent campaign. His national name recognition gives him a huge head start.
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Of course even the 'tying up resources' is pure fantasy
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:58AM EST (link)Fiorina doesn’t poll better than DeVore. But DeVore has proven he’s ready to hustle and fight a guerilla campaign if he has to in order to try to take that Senate seat.
Fiorina is making excuses for not even showing up at Indian Wells via video feed.
An absentee, partially-committed, incompetently-run campaign will not make Boxer work.
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Oh, Fiorina will tie up resources, all right
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:30AM EST (link)but why the NRSC would want to tie up its resources on someone playing to lose is beyond me.
Sigh...I suppose someone should defend John Cornyn, so here goes.
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:00AM EST (link)We all seem to forget that Cornyn is running a Republican Senate campaign effort, at a time when the GOP’s position in the Senate is as tactically sound as Custer’s position was on that Montana slopeside.
For those who’ve forgotten—or chosen to forget—in January, political experts were projecting the likelihood of the Republicans losing even more Senate seats in 2010. (Senator Jim Bunning is quoted as saying that the GOP expected to lose three seats in the 2010 elections.)
That raised a specter of the Dem Senate majority leader having the luxury of allowing three members of his caucus to vote against the Dem position on an issue—and still have enough votes to invoke cloture!
If I were Cornyn, facing those odds, I’d make some tough tactical decisions, too.
Perhaps an earnest but unsuccessful Fiorina campaign would bleed away enough Dem dollars to allow the GOP to hold onto a beleagured-but-winnable seat (OH?) elsewhere?
Yes, that’s desperate. But, when you’re holding only 40 seats and looking likely to lose more, you make desperate decisions.
It’s John Cornyn’s job to make those kinds of tough decisions. We can sit here and opine how screwed up he is…but perhaps we should ask ourselves what we would do, given the constraints he faced and the responsibility he has.
What I don’t see in this post, is details of the convincing case that Larry Elder made to John Cornyn in this past spring. You know—the case that showed Cornyn how Elder was going to convince CA African-Americans and state media to abandon their long support of the Dem party, cross ideological party lines and vote for Larry.
Once we see what Cornyn rejected, we’ll be in a better position to criticize him. OK—where’s that case?
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Yeah, and somebody should probably defend
mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:04AM EST (link)Roman Polanski and Michael Jackson too.
What you miss is
cwilson (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:14AM EST (link)that there is no tactical difference between electing a nominal R who is such a weak RINO type that it regularly sides with the Ds on important votes (Hagel, the Maine Sisters, Voinovich come to mind), and an actual D who also does so.
Every time Olympia Snowe sides with the Ds, that frees up one more beleaguered D to vote against issue X, while Reid would “still have enough votes to invoke cloture” as you put it.
Your job, if this defense of Cornyn is to carry ANY weight at all, is to describe the tough votes where Carly (or Crist, or any other lily-livered “R” that the NRSC has supported against true conservatives by interfering in state primaries) would DIFFER from the left wing democrat?
And even then: when you’re forced to argue THAT, you’re already losing.
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What you ignore is, a squishy R beats a D in almost all cases.
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:22AM EST (link)As, as for my “job,” you are welcome to opine as to my responsibilities in this argument all day long. If it makes you feel better, go for it. Consider it my gift to you.
Your job, if this defense of Cornyn is to carry ANY weight at all/i>
My my…someone has an inflated opinion of themselves this morning, don’t they?
When you SPEAK TRUTH TO POWER, cwilson, do you do it in front of your mirror? While beating your chest for emphasis? Just wondering…
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Prove your subject line, smagar
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:33AM EST (link)Don’t just assert it. Prove it.
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You first. Prove that Devore has a good chance of beating Boxer...
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:44PM EST (link)plus her media allies, plus the labor unions and feminist money that will come flocking her way.
Oh, and ask Mitch McConnell if he’d prefer a squishy R to a D in the Senate.
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I'll take this as an admission you have none
Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:02AM EST (link)I’m not the one making the claim that Boxer is beatable. You are.
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Sorry for making an implicit assumption
cwilson (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:50AM EST (link)that when you, smagar, posted a “defense”, you actually wanted to persuade. If you don’t — well, then, you’re just wanking off, and its only purpose is to give yourself satisfaction, so of course you have no further “job.”
OTOH, if you were trying to persuade…the job is unfinished, as is your argument. Being unfinished, you still have a job to do.
It’s interesting to me that, as Neil pointed out, you try to refute my point with a one-line unsupported assertion in your post title, and then waste the entire body of your post on ad hominem attacks. Very persuasive. Very…onanistic.
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You're right! You're so much better at rhetoric and argument than I am!
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:47PM EST (link)But your candidate is still going to get used like dental floss by Team Boxer in November 2010.
And I’ve still got no interest in using precious NRSC money to fund futility.
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Oh...I almost forgot
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:51PM EST (link)well, then, you’re just wanking off
What compelling rhetoric!
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Good!
cwilson (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:36PM EST (link)I too have no interest in using NRSC money that way.
STAY THE HELL OUT of primaries.
End of problem.
BTW — who exactly is “my candidate”? I haven’t gotten my Vast Right Wing Conspiracy Talking Points telling me who I’m supposed to vote for, yet.
See, here in FL, I actually want a campaign with debates between Crist, Rubio, and who ever else is running — to be followed by the voting. Crist and his NRSC wanted to skip all that using Rule 11, and annoint himself the Florida Messiah like Crist’s buddy Obama and jump straight to the General against Meeks. (Yes, very similar to Obama’s early career, where he managed to get each of his opponents kicked off the ballots….kinda makes you go Hmmm.)
Voters in the States should pick their candidates — not interfering carpetbaggers from D.C. thankyouverymuch. That way, they can SAVE their money until the General, where it can be used against DEMOCRATS!
Why is this so hard to understand, smagar?
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If CA Republicans want to joust with windmills, let them pay for it themselves
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:37AM EST (link)cwilson, I’ll make you a deal:
I’ll take your side in the Cornyn/Fiorina/Elder issue, IF the CA Republicans promise to self-fund either a Devore or Elder Senate candidacy.
IMO, either Devore or Elder will get crushed by Boxer in 2010. The CA electorate is too overwhelmingly Democratic, and the CA media too Dem-friendly, for either Devore or Elder to get much traction.
Result: once again, the “right” candidates will get crushed at the ballot box.
Now, why should John Cornyn subsidize that, with our money? (“Our” being national contributors to the NRSC). He’s not Sancho Panza; he’s the head of the NRSC, in VERY difficult times.
Show us some meaningful polling data or fundraising data that shows either Devore or Elder winning statewide and I’ll be more inclined to take your side.
Or, even better, promise that you won’t come to the NRSC to pay for the all-important media advertising candidates generally need to win statewide in CA.
If you want to chase windmills, please pay for it yourself.
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Tell you what
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:37AM EST (link)The NRSC can keep its fraud mo ney. Just keep out of my primary.
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Um...no, my logic is that the NRSC should support candidates who have a realistic chance to win.
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:55PM EST (link)In all those polls you cite, is there compelling evidence that the majority of CA voters are willing to vote for Devore over Boxer? Do you have compelling evidence that Devore has a real shot of overcoming Boxer’s advantages in incumbency, media and labor support, appeal to feminists and the CA electorate’s strong tendency to vote Democratic?
If not, I hope John Cornyn doesn’t give you one thin dime.
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OK---this response is for Aaron Gardner below. Shasbot. nt
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:56PM EST (link)“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
smagar...did we jump straight to the general election??
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:37AM EST (link)I ask because I thought we were debating the primary candidates. I don’t think the NRSC should be involved in primaries at all, so the NRSC can keep their money. When the general election comes around we can debate where the NRSC decides to put it’s resources.
The fact remains that the polling shows DeVore as having a better chance to win against Boxer than Fiorina.
Don’t move the goal posts, it’s unbecoming of you.
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Funny think Smagar....the polls actually show an boxer having a smaller lead against DeVore...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:42AM EST (link)Fiorina’s unfavorables are higher than DeVores and the gap between Fiorina and Boxer is larger than the gap between DeVore and Boxer.
So according to your logic the NRSC should be supporting DeVore since he is the Republican candidate that CA voters appear to support more.
See Rasmussen for details.
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To even things out, this response is for Neil above.
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:01PM EST (link)The NRSC can keep its fraud money
Does that go for the general, too? Because, IMO, if the CA GOP nominates a candidate who will most likely get crushed by Boxer and her allies in November 2010, Cornyn’s duty is to spend his limited funds elsewhere. Like, Ohio or Nevada or Connecticut or New Hampshire. You know…places where we can actually flip or hold a seat!
But Neil, prove me wrong! Generate some real fundraising for Devore. Show us that he’s getting some real popular appeal in CA. (Among voters, that is…not Redstate frontpagers).
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
The point Smagar is he is generating *more* support from CA Voters then Fiorina is...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:40AM EST (link)You keep avoiding that point while asserting Fiorina has a better chance without ever producing one shred of evidence to back it up.
It’s annoying, and it makes you look like a hack.
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Just read Neil's responses
cwilson (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 11:02AM EST (link)and put an implicit x2 by each one — with the following addendum:
I’m in FL, and Cornyn is interfering HERE as well — supporting RINO Crist who is *despised* by Republicans (tho loved by Florida Democrats) now that he’s revealed himself as a tax-hiking AlGore-AGW-devotee and Obama bootlicker. And opposing the dynamic, popular, conservative, young, and Hispanic Rubio (in FLORIDA!) to replace the Hispanic Mel Martinez (in FLORIDA!).
Dumb dumb dumb dumb.
Just STAY THE HELL OUT of primaries. When the general election rolls around, allocate national resources according to your cost/benefit analysis. I might disagree with your decisions, but it IS your job. Supporting one Republican over another in a primary is NOT (nor is colluding to invoke “Rule 11″ to suppress my vote — google Greer Crist Rule 11 for information on THAT little exercise in voter suppression. “Primaries? We don’t need no stinking Primaries!”).
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here is why you are wrong smagar
kyle8 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 5:51PM EST (link)If we agree that it is likely that all three candidates are defeated by Boxer, then running the most conservative candidate, (especially a charismatic African American) is the way to go because that causes greater statewide name recognition which they can use to maneuver into another election.
It makes no sense whatsoever to discourage good candidates to run a rino flake who still will not win.
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Run whomever you want. I agree with you there.
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:10PM EST (link)But, if the CA GOP nominates a turkey of a candidate, are you telling me that the CA GOP won’t come to the NRSC looking for general election campaign cash?
Tell me that now, and I’m with ya. But, if the CA GOP nominates a candidate whose clock Team Boxer will clean next November, it’s Cornyn’s duty to withhold funds.
While I don’t agree with him, I think Cornyn’s idea of using the CA race as a spoiler, to drain Dem funds away from another Senate race, has merit. It’s a desperate move—but these are desperate times in the Senate.
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He could just mind his own business and attack Democrats
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:33AM EST (link)But no, he’s proving time and again he’s more interested in attacking conservatives first.
There is no legitimate reason for the NRSC to involve itself in primaries in any way, shape, or form, but Cornyn is butting in every chance he gets to attack a conservative.
There is no defense.
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Um...you're dead wrong
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:18AM EST (link)There is no legitimate reason for the NRSC to involve itself in primaries in any way, shape, or form
With respect, I think Senator Cornyn disagrees. As do I.
US Senate seats are de facto national offices. Senators have much more influence on all of us through the votes they cast on national and international issues. Plus, the GOP needs as viable a filibuster threat as possible.
There is no defense.
In your blinkered opinion, I suppose not. But, the rest of us would like to improve the GOP’s lot in the Senate in 2010. So, please don’t be offended if we take steps designed to maximize our chances.
Does anyone, besides the Redstate faithful, really think that the CA voters—and the very-Dem-friendly CA media—will allow Devore the breathing space he needs to win over CA voters and unseat Senator Feminist Icon?
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Well smagar, they believe DeVore has a better chance than Fiorina...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:22AM EST (link)so your question becomes a strawman.
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Oh I see
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:23AM EST (link)So you think primaries are fine, but only as long as the dumb sheeple vote the way their betters tell them?
Whatever.
The NRSC is a sham. It pretend to represent the party, but it actually represents one faction within the party.
Cornyn is a fraud.
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Yes, opinions and passion unburdened by responsibility make for great reading. nt
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:12PM EST (link)“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
great post
proudgop (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:00PM EST (link)I don’t get why some on this site spend more time attacking republicans then dems.
Its state by state basis on who can win as far as I am concerned.
Actually proudgop, the answer to your question is easy.
penguin2 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:55PM EST (link)This site is to promote Conservative Republican candidates first. In primaries that should be the goal of like minded people. We do not want squishy, moderate Republicans-they have ruined the party by being Dem. lite. After a primary, we support whoever the Republican candidate is. That is the way of it. Your way and others like you continue to cause us this country to go down the road of Liberalism/Socialism/Communism.
You have also reinforced my answer by your second statement. Let each state decide for itself on a “state by state” basis. It is for the state to decide.
You get upset when people tell you why we are supporting the candidates we are, but it is your philosophy that is at odds with the goals of “some on this site.”
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then you and Cornyn are wrong by your own admission
kyle8 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 5:53PM EST (link)if the point is to regain a majority in the senate, running a flakey rino won’t get the job done.
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Actually smager WHY is the NRSC afraid to let the chips fall where they may...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:25PM EST (link)in the primaries….WHY cannot the people decide? I guess you and they are saying WE the base of the party are to stupid to pick the best candidate and they know better? like McCain? yeah they knew better alright….WE were told he was the most electable that a RINO was the only way to win….BS!
If there is one thing 2006/08 taught us is the Conservatives are highly regarded in this country….40 percent self identify that way and yet the IDIOTS in the party apparatus keep wanting to throw D-lite and think that people are going to support that craziness. NO they have NO BUSINESS in the primaries that is our place to pick OUR candidates!
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Jaded, if you want to nominate Don Quixote, please do so.
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:14PM EST (link)Just don’t ask me to pay his bills.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Funny you should mention Quixote
aesthete (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:30PM EST (link)A man who didn’t realize that his time had already passed, but still insisted on running things as they had been run previously. Sound like anyone you know?
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
very good aesthete....I won't answer smager because you just....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:58PM EST (link)SMACKED him and I am sure it’s going to hurt awhile
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Ooohhh...that's gonna leave a mark! nt
eburke (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:41AM EST (link)“All that need be done for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.”
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bam!! 5 nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 9:09AM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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anyone can run
proudgop (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:17PM EST (link)The NRSC is not preventing anyone from running. No one has gun to their head when they enter voting booth
The NRSC has an obligation to win seats. If that mean supporting a more moderate Republican in blue or battleground state who has proven to be electable, has fundraising skills then so be it.
Carly Fiorina has "proven to be electable"?
Third Street (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:30PM EST (link)SHE’S NEVER EVEN RUN FOR OFFICE.
“Fundraising skills”? Really? She’s not even confident enough of her candidacy to put her own money into it, which was the entire idea behind getting her into the race!
proudgop, I and many others here would have a lot more respect for you if you’d just come right out and admit that your primary objective is to drive conservatives out of the Republican Party, since it’s absurdly obvious to everyone that’s what your agenda is. Stop hiding behind this smokescreen of wanting to “win seats”.
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I am not
proudgop (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:35PM EST (link)I am not saying that because it untrue. This is CA not SC the same type of Republican cannot win in both states
Again, Fiorina has not come out and said she will not self fundraise. I am pretty sure she wants to raise as much money as she can from donors and that may hamper it.
However, if she does not self finance and shows just as poorly of fundraising as DeVore I may change my mind on who I hope wins
Perhaps a fair defense in January 09
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:34AM EST (link)Not fair post August 09.
The Tea Party movement needs to be heard here. To quote a former USC receiver, “Give me the darn ball!”
I'm all for Elder getting in now.
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:07AM EST (link)The political landscape has changed drastically since spring. I’m curious—when in the spring did Elder approach Cornyn? Before Porkulus? Before America got a taste of a future with ObamaCare? Before Fiorina started her fade, and announced she would not self-fund?
Why doesn’t Larry get in now?
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Senator Elder...nice ring to it
SteveLA (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:15AM EST (link)I do wish Larry Elder would run, he at least would make for an entertaining campaign out here in CA. If you’ve ever caught his show you’d appreciate how well Larry knows the media and how well he punches back at Democrats.
Who knows, maybe he’s positioning his run for office as a contingency if Fironia continues to implode. Poking the NRSC is one way to make some news, and Larry knows how to play the game of making news.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
I don't want to make light of her cancer...and my prayers are with her on that...
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:18AM EST (link)but if she’s to sick to commit to attending conventions…is she to sick to run an effective campaign and/or to govern if she’s elected?
and then this gem:
So once again we have the party apparatus beginning an election with the assumption that they’ve already lost before the first baby has been kissed…or the first hand has been shaken…and everything else that is done from there is based on that losing assumption!
But above all…never mmind their belief that we’re fighting in a lost cause from the beginning…let’s not let a conservative even take the fist step…let’s not try anything new or different than the same brilliant that has lost California and NE to the Democrats!
Priceless!
I second that
Chong Monday, September 28th at 10:44AM EST (link)That is what I was reading out of all these comments. Lets give up while we ahead, there is no way for us to win anyway. If you foot is half way in the grave, then why are you even attempting to fight.
United “We” stand, divided “We” fall
They did it all through 2008 and it's why I hammered so much on Ensign and Tom Cole
AceInTX (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 11:36AM EST (link)As a man thinketh…so is he!
Out of the mouths of babes come blessings and cursings…
The Bible is chalk full of prophesies and explanations that by speaking such foolishness you make it happen whether it be by convincing yourself you’ve already lost…or whether there is spiritual warfare involved…it’s time to stop with the defeatist crap…and it’s well past time to play to win….this ain’t bean bag and this isn’t the community collge debating society…every loss of our liberty has real consequences…and we need to stop the bleeding before the patient dies!
More incompetent leadership
larrymiller Monday, September 28th at 9:28AM EST (link)Why are we surprised that party leadership would prefer a “moderate” that they expect to be a looser to someone outspoken about principle?
Why does Devore get no love
karca Monday, September 28th at 9:51AM EST (link)Devore is a good candidate- so why is the Repub party searching around for someone else? Why don’t they support him? Boxer can be beat- her unfavorables have always been high and the reason she has won in the past is that the party has run weak candidates against her (like Fiorina)
My own mole at the convention reported it was controlled by Washington consultants who didn’t know any thing about Ca and who were too busy scratching each others back to actually help the party.
It was a depressing report about the Washington wing of the party which continues to be clueless and incompetent- so they are going to blow the opportunity of a decade.
California is viewed by Washington as a strip mine
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:10AM EST (link)They don’t care what happens to the people who live here as long as they get our donations.
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From what I've heard...
mikefisk (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:36AM EST (link)…from some of my California friends, DeVore seems to be viewed as a bit on the side of “blowhard”, although since that’s about the worst that any of them that aren’t left of center can say (moderates included), I guess that’s not terribly bad.
I’m still leaning a bit more toward Fiorina, but only if she is in it to win it. None of this “tying up resources” crap, none of this “bleed the Democrats out” nonsense… that’s not how it works. It’s win or nothing. Even if you’re in a near-impossible race, you don’t enter unless you think you can win.
End. Of. Story.
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9.25, -4.77
Yeah, a blowhard, heh
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:39AM EST (link)The guy is actually out campaigning, reaching out to Californians by going out to speak to them, and not just staying at home and launching horrible websites.
What a blowhard.
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Money
proudgop (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:05PM EST (link)For me its about his lack of fundraising. His last fundraising cycle showed he had less then 125,000 COH. Thats horrible in state like CA; he should have close to 2 million by now
He has shown zero ability to fundraise in California alone so there is no way any national people will donate to him
I could care less for both of the candidates; I wish Poizner were running for this office or Mary Bono ( yeah I can hear redstate screams)
Uh..
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:10PM EST (link)Try to keep up. Fiorina isn’t going to fund her own campaign, either. That’s just a lie being spread by people trying to shut down conservatives in this state.
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Where
proudgop (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:12PM EST (link)I have not seen her come out and say she is not using her cash to self fundraise
Front page of RedState
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:28PM EST (link)I’ll find it.
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Right Here
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:30PM EST (link)Carly Fiorina will not self-fund
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not clear source
proudgop (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:35PM EST (link)Sorry until I hear her say she won’t self fundraise someone talking in 3rd party is not clear source IMO
Well what's your source?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:47PM EST (link)Wishful thinking?
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Fiorina
proudgop (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 2:17PM EST (link)Is my source she has yet to say wether she will not pump in her own money or not and why should she? No candidate should give out their campaign strategy no matter what
I can see why it would be wishful thinking of her opponents although but alas it is just that wishful thinking on their part so far
I'm calling moby.
NightTwister (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 2:48PM EST (link)Not a liberal moby, but a moderate one. Whoever you are, you’re trying the same failed strategy that doomed McCain’s campaign. You seem to support the DIRC (Democrat In Republican Clothing) candidate in every State. In case you’ve been on another planet for the past 6 months or so, people have been out in the streets demanding liberty and small government. Folks like Fiorina, Norton, and Crist are not the candidates they are looking for.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
A moby and a retread most likely
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 2:59PM EST (link)Feel free to hit the contact form if he/she ever breaks the rules outright, please. Or mail me directly, even.
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Seconded.
Third Street (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 3:16PM EST (link)Supporting Fiorina made a certain amount of sense so long as she was willing to self-fund. California, after all is the most expensive state in the Union in which to run a campaign, spending that kind of money on any statewide Republican candidate has become a big gamble at best, and 2010 is probably the best chance we’ve ever had to get rid of Babs Boxer so we should take every advantage we can get.
But that was the only, repeat, ONLY rationale for supporting Carly Fiorina. Because when you take the deep pockets away, she’s nothing more than a squishy leftist, an incompetent campaigner, and a failed CEO whose legendary track record of incompetence is a monumental gift to the Boxer campaign.
And yes, those deep pockets have indeed been taken away.
So what’s the deal, proudgop? Kirk, Crist, Norton, Ridge (OH, I’m sorry; I keep forgetting that was another poster), and Fiorina, with a little Meg Whitman thrown in on the side? This is “winning”?!
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Neil
proudgop (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:27PM EST (link)I respect your opinion but I don’t think we will ever see eye to eye
For now on I am going to refrain from posting anywhere near you; please do so for me too
It’s clear you don’t like me.
It's not personal
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:45PM EST (link)I don’t like what you write.
But I’m a site administrator; you don’t get to tell me to ignore you while you make stuff up in our comments section.
I’ll take this comment of yours as an admission that your claim about Fiorina is unsourced, and possibly fabricated.
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proudgop, just remember: All Redstaters are equal---but frontpagers are more equal than everyone else.
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:20PM EST (link)Never forget that, and you’ll be fine.
In defense of Neil and the other site administrators—yes, they can be rude at times….but can’t we all? And, they do spend time on this site keeping it up and keeping the trolls at bay. I on the other hand, only show up here when I feel like it. When I don’t, I don’t. I acknowledge that.
“Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?” (Macaulay)
Amen to that!!! FP'gr's are absolutely MORE equal then others....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:23PM EST (link)and have earned it and write brilliantly and deserve the RIGHT to get in people’s faces! God Bless them all
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That about sums it up
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:54PM EST (link)I’ll freely admit that sometimes I’m over-protective of our site and our community. And sometimes I end up being too hard on somebody who’s not trolling.
But in the long run I think we’ve all seen enough of what the left is capable of, to understand why it is necessary.
You want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like blam, moby, IP ban. We use them as the backbone of many hours spent trying to defend something. You use them as a punchline.
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You are absolutely right Neil. And you guys do a great job.
penguin2 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:07PM EST (link)I like your wall analogy. Those of us who believe in the goals of this site want you and Moe and the others to do exactly what you are doing, in the manner and style that you all have.
Thank you.
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You've met me
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:18PM EST (link)Tell them: I’m not an ogre, right?
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Neil, I am laughing. They have no idea what a great, regular
penguin2 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:45PM EST (link)guy you are. But one with a steel core. Thank heavens.
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So you all are just getting that proudgop is a RINO moby?....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 7:35PM EST (link)there are a few of us ladies on here who had gop pegged as definitely a RINO but more then likely a blue-dog Dem…..you know a Democrat that talks a big deal about financial conservatism and then votes 99% of the time with Pelosi! Though its possible gop is an R in the mold of Snowe which is really just a D, so lets not kid ourselves
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Jaded, once again like minds think alike!
penguin2 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:10PM EST (link)Had just posted up above and began to make my way down this thread. Been that way in my mind for awhile. Something not quite right…will I get in trouble if I say woman’s intuition?
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Nope can't get in trouble for that...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:21PM EST (link)woman’s intuition and being a SMART cookie and watching what those on this site are saying. We spend an enormous amount of time on Redstate and are watching everybody as others had watched us when we first arrived to see from where we were coming. We are now the oldsters who watch
We are like the old ladies in the neighborhood looking through the blinds keeping the neighborhood safe by being nosy busybodies. BTW I always loved those old ladies in my neighborhood because we knew our houses would be safe when we got home
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Leave it to the women.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:14PM EST (link)We had this figured out.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
LOL
proudgop (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:29PM EST (link)I am conservative who just disagrees with party on gay marriage and abortion ( personally pro life but does not feel Roe v Wade should be overturned basically). Support 2nd Ammen, support 10 commandments in classroom, death penalty, ban on burning of flag, support school vouchers, no new taxes, missile defense, strong foreign policy, pro Israel, drill for oil in ANWAR
not sure how I am a RINO cause I consider myself a conservative but winning is important to me
Winning is a hallow victory if you throw your principles out to get there.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:15PM EST (link)It means little, if nothing.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Hollow, hollow, hollow.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:16PM EST (link)This what I get for responding right after sending out 14 Halloween invitations. Jeez to me. LOL
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
We've "chatted" before proudgop. You've just given a nice...
penguin2 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:40PM EST (link)list of Conservative values. Except your “personally pro-life but do not want to see Roe v Wade overturned.” That stand means you are not a Social Conservative, which I am.
As regards the list, if you really believe in these values why in the world do you want to see the moderate Rinos get in office? Those that we already have in office have managed to go along with the Dems who have had a relentless assault on many of these issues.
Your last sentence explains it all. You consider yourself “a conservative but winning is important” The conservatives on this site do not want to compromise their values just to win, especially in the early stages that the primaries represent.
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yes
proudgop (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:45PM EST (link)and there you have it
I like to win and hate losing ( you really don’t care if we lose). I look at grand picture in every race on case by case basis
My opinion won’t change and neither will yours and that is your right as it is my right. I will vote straight ticket Republican till day I die; no matter who candidate is.
have good night
Well Goody Goody for You.
JX12 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 11:32PM EST (link)Winning by compromising your values is…..well, losing. So you lose. Take your ball and go home now.
So....if Bambi wins both the Dem & Repub
eburke (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:38AM EST (link)nomination next cycle (which, being The One, he is entirely capable of doing) you’d pull the lever for His Excellency.
Good night and good bye.
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Two Words proudgop Dede Scozzafava.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 9:32AM EST (link)You support the ACORN approved candidate in NY 23rd. You did so before she was selected as the candidate. You have no excuse for that. NONE.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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I support our nominee
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 7:32PM EST (link)and if we lose that race then you will all hear my wrath and then you will all blame party
Scozzafava is NOT our nominee.
randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 7:52PM EST (link)-I- sure as hell didn’t nominate her. 11 people in a closed room did that. She is a selectee. HUGE difference.
-I- support the REPUBLICAN in this race.
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I could care less
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:00PM EST (link)who wins as long as its not Democrat. The Conservative and Dem party candidate were both chosen in same root; personally I believe in having a election day for this but its what is done in NY for these races.
However, if the Dem does win and is another vote for Pelosi I think we once again played right into their hands and now NY would only have 2 Republicans representing her in DC and soon possibly none if we don’t win Gov mansion or State Senate back in 2010
DeDe VOTES like a democrat.
randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:22PM EST (link)Owens is MORE conservative than DeDe is. you honestly think she WON’T be a rubber stamp for bad liberal policy? Just where the hell have you been?
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So you support ACORN proudgop...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:31PM EST (link)Because your gal Dede does. And you are full of crap with your “I support our candidate” line. You supported Dede before she was selected, you did so in a diary here on RedState. So don’t act like your support was a consequence of her becoming the nominee because that would make you a liar. Or it would prove you are a liar.
By the way, I have never heard of these “Presidential Conventions” of which you speak. I have heard of the RNC Convention, and I would expect someone who has attended “every one since I was born” to know the name of the convention you attended.
You are a fraud proudgop….just admit it.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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Answer me this, proudgop.
Third Street (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:20PM EST (link)Suppose Doug Hoffman wins. He then caucuses with the Republicans and on the vast majority, if not all issues, votes exactly as a Republican would (a real Republican, that is; not the ACORN apparatchiks you swoon over).
Would you still consider “us” to have lost the race?
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so, in other words, proudgop...
randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 6:29PM EST (link)yes, you are willing to compromise your values for the sake of winning.
Thanks. That about wraps it up for any credibility anyone here may have accidentally been stupid enough to attribute you. You can stop talking now.
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Yup
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 7:36PM EST (link)I like to win and have party that can reach all corners of this country.
I’d be careful calling people stupid and telling who can talk and what not.
And YOU should be.
randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 7:49PM EST (link)Since, you know, you pretty much outed yourself as having next to NO actual ethics or standards.
I, however, have an actual leg to stand on, since I actually HAVE ethics. AND standards.
YOU have no place in my party. The sooner you corruptable ignoramuses LEAVE the GOP, the better off we’ll all be. The Democrats all like to win, too. Why not just go ahead and join THEM, since you clearly have NO problem with people advancing THEIR policy?
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This is my party
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 7:56PM EST (link)I vote Republican all time as I admitted. Do you? I have been to every Presidential Convention since I have been born so I really don’t need to give you my party credentials.
I have ethics and standards please knock it off with personal attacks and debate me on issues,
hahahahahahahahaha!
randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:01PM EST (link)You really do believe the crap you’re spouting, don’t you? It’s almost sad, really.
ethics that can be bought off with a label aren’t ethics. I have talked issues, but you always seem to disappear whenever they’re brought up. That, or just keep repeating your useless-as-hell mantra of “I wanna win!”
So, let’s talk issues, you and I, and anwer me this:
what the hell good is winning, if the Republican Candidate LEGISLATES like a DEMOCRAT?
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Already Answered
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:06PM EST (link)A republican win ( even considered RINO to you; I rather have someone vote with us 75% time then 0-5%time) votes for Republican leader and helps us regain house or senate and that gives people like Demint or Coburn the possibility of controlling committees which is where real power lies in DC because they control what bills are brought up in committee or what not.
I am willing to give flexibility to Republicans in blue or battleground states from time to time on issues. I am not a rigid on this.
Oh yeah I wanna win! Politics is chest match
the word is 'chess'.
randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:21PM EST (link)and, what a load of crap.
You support the RINO every. single. time. Your entire history here is nothing but supporitng the RINO, even where it IS NOT necessary for a moderate. futhermore, 75% is a bit wishful thinking. Scozzafava, Frist, etc. are more Democrats than they are Republicans.
Do you honestly think we WANT the likes of them helping to choose our leadership? Hell, no! Do you think I WANT them deciding what bills are brought up in committee? Again, Hell. No.
Scozzafava? Pssht. This is a Conservative District. We didn’t and don’t need a liberal in Republican’s clothing to win this district, and she won’t do us a damned bit of good, (R) next to her name or not.
But as I said, this is all academic. Your statements above are belied by things you’ve already posted here. there are some here who I’d believe that argument from, because their past actions have proven their words. You… not so much.
Sorry, but given everything you’ve said so far, your word means precisely jack.
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proudgop, I assume you meant "chess match."
penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:32PM EST (link)I didn’t get back with you last night, as you said good night. But I did want to follow-up on something you said. Allow me to quote you: “I like to win and hate losing (you really don’t care if we lose).” Well, let me answer the charge about not caring. I care a great deal. I and many others, have cared so much about losing that we have become active and involved in trying to change the downward spiral of the Republican Party. Everything that the GOP has done in recent years has been causing us to lose.
Now you say you want to win, well if you keep on the course that you are, and seek to promote RINO’s in Primary races, well then you will just continue to lose. That is the difference between us. The people on this site, including myself, recognize that we need in the core of the Republican Party in order to start winning again. Simple as that. Your way and your candidates have not won one darn thing for us lately.
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left out word..."change" in the Republican Party... nt
penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:35PM EST (link)Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God. – Benjamin Franklin
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I disagree
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 9:17PM EST (link)I don’t buy that we lost past 2 cycles because we were not Conservative enough. Yes, we were not Conservative enough on gov’t spending but I don’t believe people like Sali, Musgrove, etc lost cause they were not Conservative enough. I don’t think Coleman lost cause he was not Conservative enough compared to Franken or Dole to Hagen and on and on.
I don’t believe for 1 minute McCain lost cause Obama was more Conservative then him.
The Republican party brand name has been damaged to female, suburb voters, and inner city people we need to figure out why? Lets have a discussion on that and how we get them back
proudgop, "the Rep. party brand has been damaged...
penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 9:49PM EST (link)to female voters,” that I would like you to cite. And need to figure out why about the inner city. Well that is an easy one. The inner cities are run by Democrats and large inner city populations on dependent on the government dole and wouldn’t think of voting for the party that would like to see them become independent and productive citizens. And before you accuse me of being unkind, I am not talking about the destitute and obviously needy.
Your purpose in being here are? Everything you propose and say is at odds with the goals of this site. I understand why you are doing it. IMO, you are not being honest with us though. BTW, are you “did1717″ in a previous life? Very similar styles.
And for your information, women and seeing the GOP favorably have been increasing recently. And I saw a huge number of women at the 9/12 March, so I don’t think seeking a more Conservative approach to government is detrimental to us.
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I am done
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:08PM EST (link)done in this thread. Its difficult being on this site cause it feels like frat and unwanted. Anyone who disagrees on how party moves party it feels is almost pushed off site. Is that your goal to push me off site? If so say yes and I am gone
I said what I said and stand by it. The Republican party has lost female voters ( we all know that in poll after poll) lets ask why? Let’s work to regain a lot of them and what issues we can do?
You refuse to answer my questions without trying to play a gotcha game
I thought goal of this site is to be an arm to republican party? I only learned about via NRCC having it on its site
good night
PS Not sure how Fiorina is not conservative enough for some of you although?
cite one single poll dld171717/dld1717/proudgop...or retract your assertion....
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:17PM EST (link)it is really simple….you cite a poll that proves your assertion and we wont’ think you are lying through you teeth.
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Nonsense proudgop, same old spam stuff you keep putting out.
penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:21PM EST (link)You haven’t got a clue whether Fiorina is conservative or not. Most likely no one really knows, because she doesn’t have any track record. You know this, but just keep trying to push these kind of candidates on us. IMO, your goal in purpose in being here has nothing in common with the goals and focus of this site. That is why you are getting this feedback. Views that you are expressing work in direct opposition to our Conservative causes, and all you want to do is work against our goals and candidates. Probably, there are other sites that would support your viewpoint. This one, not at all.
BTW, you need to look up the poll numbers on women and what party they are turning toward. It is not the Democrat Party. Much as you might like it to be.
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proudgop, I have a question for you....
Susannah (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:24PM EST (link)One thing that I have noticed is that you always seem to comment on threads about local races. Why is that so? I never see you commenting on any of the recommended diaries or on the FP stories that have to do with anything with anything in the national news or “zeitgeist”. Are you only interested in local races? I’m not making any accusations–I’m just curious.
politics
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:30PM EST (link)I care more about politics side and 2010 elections. I love poli sci aspect of this site.
I stay out of sites that try to bash other Republicans unless they need to be defended. I notice more thread attacking Republicans then Dems on this site so its difficult.
Still waiting on a cite...clock it ticking. nt
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tick tock
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:36PM EST (link)tick tock no source by you
heh...I made no assertion troll. nt
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yes you did
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:43PM EST (link)you want me to show where she is said to not self finance but I am asking you to show me where she says she is not and you can’t? Why do I have to show proof when you can’t?
yet I am a troll ( rolling eyes)
Wow you are so dumb you can't even follow your own posts none the less mine proudgop. nt
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lol
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:47PM EST (link)another attack because you so got clobbered by me in this debate
uh...you haven't proved a single assertion...how is that winning? nt
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I proved it all
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:50PM EST (link)you can’t prove anywhere that Fiorina is not self financing. sqaut, nada, nothing. Until you do you can’t assume what the hell she is doing or not
case closed
In fact why don't you link where I said Fiorina won't self fund...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:48PM EST (link)you won’t even need to use teh google for that one.
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Cite for what?
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:52PM EST (link)cite, cite, cite crab. give me a break
now you are just grasping at straws proudgop...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:56PM EST (link)you aren’t to be taken seriously at all.
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lol
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:57PM EST (link)wow. answer the damn question
tick tock source?
Uh, proudgop, I'm not quite sure what you are referring to.....
Susannah (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 11:06PM EST (link)Could you please be more specific? With the exception of AceinTX’s post, none of the recommended diaries even mention another Republican, much less bash one (and in fairness to Ace, most people don’t consider Olympia Snow to be much of a Republican). Furthermore, none of the FP stories are attacking other Republicans either. Could you please be more specific? Again, if you only want to comment on posts about local races, that’s your right. However, it’s somewhat unusual here, so don’t surprised if people inquire as to why. No worries.
Ooh! I'll pull that trigger.
randy streu (Diary) Wednesday, September 30th at 5:40AM EST (link)You ARE unwanted. YES, our goal is to push you off this site, because we’re tired of the crap you’re selling. Are you leaving now?
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BTW proudgop, I believe a site moderator asked you for a cite, it would behoove you to answer him dld1717.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:46PM EST (link)or do you want to be a two time loser here on RS
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cite for what?
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 9:20PM EST (link)I am a woman and its free speech and I guess this dld1717 really got on your nerve?
thank you
dld1717/dld171717/proudgop a cite for your assertion that Fiorina would self fund her campaign
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:15PM EST (link)are you being deliberately obtuse?
By the way free speech doesn’t exist here on RedState. RedState isn’t your corner soapbox. You have no “right” to consistently post your support for candidates who are in opposition to this site’s stated goals.
When a moderator, and you know exactly what I am talking about, request you to cite something you do it, or you recant your assertion. Of course I think you know that, don’t you dld1717…or is it dld171717.
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Aaaron
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:32PM EST (link)What gotcha game do you not get!
Where, where, where is your source that Fiorina will not self finance and don’t give me some tainted blog or person talking in 3rd person. Where is she on tape or quoted in paper saying she will not finance? You show it to me and I will apologize gladly.
so where is your source. got it?
or is it aaron or aaron the bully?
I made no assertion proudgop...you did...back it up of STFU...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:38PM EST (link)you have this tendency of making assertions and not providing any evidence to back it up.
Cite it or don’t assert it.
Oh…you called me a bully…figures, you make an assertion and can’t back it up, so like a good little liberal troll you play the victim. How very typical, just like DLD1717, or is itDLD171717.
Your Kung Fu is weak and smell of whale blubber.
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change subject
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:44PM EST (link)wow did we change subject quickly and try to play personal attack game??
can’t source where Fiorina says she will not self finance? I am asking for a newspaper or media outlet that shows it. You were the one saying she is not self financing so back it up!
until you do I am done you can call me she devil for all I care
love all names you are calling me some one should hit that contact button
go for it...hit the contact button...make sure you use the correct email account lest ye expose yourself.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:51PM EST (link)Oh and link to where I said Fiorina won’t self fund. Hint…you can’t.
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you were asking for cite
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:54PM EST (link)you were asking for a cite? where you not that she is indeed self financing? I am simply asking you for a site where she does not in newspaper or media
simple as that. put up or shut up
answer a question with a question doesn't prove anything...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:59PM EST (link)you asserted that she would self fund, you were asked to cite something as evidence that she would, you refuse to cite anything.
I never said she wouldn’t self fund, Neil did, but I didn’t.
So basically you are avoiding answering a question because you got called out and your pride got hurt.
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so I have to prove she is?
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 11:02PM EST (link)I am not privy to her campaign I have no idea what the heck she is doing
Why should I or anyone else? Its a campaign those things are kept secret to those inside the campaign and perhaps she wants to raise a lot funds from others and that may limit it.
I don’t have to prove anything I am not prosecution here
proudgop...seriously...if you make an assertion yes you do have to prove it..
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 11:08PM EST (link)you are hinging your non support of Chuck DeVore, the official candidate of this site, on him not being able to gather more money than Fiorina, whom you have said will self fund. It is not my job to prove you wrong…it is your job to prove you are right, or retract.
I understand your pride was hurt, but if you can manage to move past your pride you may end up learning something.
You have had ample opportunities to respond to Neil’s, a site moderator, request for a cite. You still refuse. It really makes you look like you are talking out of 4th point of contact.
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lol
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 11:15PM EST (link)cite your source where she is not. Once again!
Until a multi millionaire says she or he won’t self finance its usually pretty self evident they will. When they say they won’t then you can make all hay out of it you want and I will apologize to you.
How can I source she will self finance when I don’t work for campaign and how can you not when its no where to be seen? A source please one again
Again proudgop...I didn't say she wouldn't...so I have nothing to prove.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 11:19PM EST (link)you made the assertion she would and refuse to back it up because you can’t. Instead of just admitting that to Neil and retracting your assertions you are trying to blame everyone else. Typical liberal victim.
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Nope
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 11:26PM EST (link)You are the one that is prosecution here. Make your case ( show source in paper) or retract your statement that she is not self financing because you have not proven your case beyond reasonable doubt.
case closed; put up or shut up
heading to bed
show me where I said she wouldn't self fund...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 11:32PM EST (link)if you do that I will refrain from posting at RedState for a month.
This is a golden opportunity for you. Seize it…prove me the fool dldl1717
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Man it's getting tight around here
Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:57PM EST (link)Anyways, I haven’t seen any thing of any one calling proudgop or whatever anything that what he/she is. As far self funding for Carly, does she still have enough money for that?
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Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
are you serious?
proudgop (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:24PM EST (link)serious? You go to ABC, CBS, CNN or Fox polls and it always shows Republicans doing better with Males then Females? Why? Especially single females. Thats understood with anyone who understands politics
Do you really need me to show all polls on this? Do you think I am making this up?
serious.
I need to get off before my patience is shot which is exactly you want
I amy even brush my nice shiny white teeth ( I can play hard ball remember that)
Then cite it proudgop...make us all look like fools...pull the trigger...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:29PM EST (link)show me the rapid decline in female voters within the GOP. Play hardball. And don’t move the goal posts….the cite I was looking for was that Fiorina is going to self fund. Please try and keep up you ignorant hack.
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Funny thing Aaron, I went to a GOP committee meeting tonight
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:38PM EST (link)and over 50% of the Executive Committee are females and the audience was probably close to 60-40 in favor of the females.
The poster is blowing smoke.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Kowalski'ing
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:41PM EST (link)Aaron, sorry I forgot to add.
The poster is blowing smoke and seems to take a perverse pleasure in engaging members with her drivel. I doubt seriously if she will answer you.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
ocleverone....
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:44PM EST (link)I know, I had a similar experience at my town committee meeting last week. I also know that proudgop/dld1717/dld171717 won’t back up her assertions, because she is a liberal hack acting as if she were a republican.
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That's because Republican women rock.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:46PM EST (link)I love being a conservative women surrounded by other conservative women making a difference.
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Woman.singular...I am not split personality.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:47PM EST (link)I just suck at typing.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Ocleverone, we are numerous. Just no one...
penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:57PM EST (link)had called upon us before. We’ve been quietly busy, raising our children and caring for our families. But now, since we feel hearth and home threatened, well it is only natural that we would become like the pioneer women this great nation once knew.
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I think we should
Erick Brockway (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 11:22PM EST (link)Keep hitting “Reply” till this thing is a one word sliver.
I also think the NRSC is an outdated idea stemming from a time when we as Republicans had no way to really check out a candidate for ourselves.
Why send them money at all? My money goes to the one I think will best represent my, and that’s DeVore.
I’m not even sure I trust them to general elections any more.
penguin, you women are beyond awesome.
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Quite serious, you just changed the goalposts.
penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:36PM EST (link)You did not say that men favor the republican party more than women, you said the Republican party was “damaged for women.” I pointed out to you women were turning more favorably toward the Republicans. And guess what, it is from Obama they are turning from.
For honesty’s sake. Do I believe you? No. I think there is something not ringing true. But believe me, you are entitled to your opinions. It just keeps coming back to why are you here? We know why we are.
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Well, if you can play hard ball, why are you?
penguin2 (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:46PM EST (link)Explain why you come here to play hardball. Why are you so determined to do the opposite of what this site proposes? It is really a simple question. You have no desire to support the site’s objectives, so what are you getting out of this? You won’t change our minds…
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Not if the 75% is spent on proclamations like May National Milk Dud Month
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 10:36PM EST (link)and the 25% vote is for serious issues such as taxes, abortion, etc. and they choose to vote like a Democrat.
I want to know where candidates stand and it had better be right of center.
I’m not willing to roll the dice in the hopes they don’t turn out to RINOs.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Mmmmmmmm.... Milk Duds.
Third Street (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 11:34PM EST (link)Now that’s change I can believe in.
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Hmmm
Tomlinson Douthat (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 11:06PM EST (link)proudgop:
dld1717:
What are the odds? (And what are the odds that I’d remember that?)
55555 nt
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Well there is a line to be crossed
Richard Mullins (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 7:59PM EST (link)and if DeDe is the nominee, I’d vote something else. No I wouldn’t even vote Democrat(the last good dem for congress has been dead since 1997), but any thing that stay on the right side of things.
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Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
we have a better candidate.
randy streu (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:03PM EST (link)The NY Conservative Party has put up Doug Hoffman, and as I’m about to post in the next couple minutes, HE has received the support of several Conservative Republicans and groups, most recently those of Fred Thompson and The Club for Growth. He tried to run as a Republican, but DeDe was selected by eleven party members behind closed doors because of their stupid ideas about “electibility.”
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If these are your positions,
NightTwister (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 12:09AM EST (link)why do you support primary candidates that hold almost none of them? What purpose does it serve to elect someone with an (R) after their name when they’re going to vote on all the important issues just like every other (D)?
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proudgop, what you do on RedState is roughly analogous....
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55555 nice one third street. nt
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I just thought he was clueless....
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So...when does Andrew Breitbart jump in the ring?
speciallist (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 11:48AM EST (link)Larry Elder is the bomb also…..
I’d pop a $100 down Right now, if either of those guys made the leap
A comparison…Devore, Elder or Breitbart against Boxer, it should be a no-brainer for Californians….
oh wait…..
At this point I would like the California senate race
Richard Mullins (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 12:26PM EST (link)to have 5 or more people on the ballot. Really, there is a lot to siphon off Dem support and I think in the end we might be the better for it. Larry Elder wouldn’t too bad at this time and to a point he should ignore those asking for him not to run. Oh course, the decision should be to those in California not those here in Texas.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
ditto
kyle8 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 5:55PM EST (link)I would give some money to a Larry Elder campaign, But not to a rino.
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WASN'T THE RNC SCREW UP IN FLORIDA ENOUGH?
satireworks14 Monday, September 28th at 12:20PM EST (link)For some bizzare reason the Republican National Committee keeps making hopelessly bad decisions.
Despite a strong, conservative candidate in southern Florida in Marco Rubio, the national “leadership” stands behind a Left Wing Liberal, Charlie Crist.
Seems like the BS in California is all too common.
Shame on you RNC!
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The RNSC and the RNC are two different entities
ColdWarrior (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 1:16PM EST (link)I have been told by the AZ Republican Party Chairman, Randy Pullen, that the RNC has very little control, if any, presently, over what the Republican National Senatorial Committee does.
It was the RNSC, chaired by Sen. John Cornyn, of Texas, which endorsed Charlie Crist. I don’t believe the RNC itself has endorsed Charlie Crist (at least, I’m not aware of that).
I give my money directly to deserving candidates. And tell Cornyn that every chance I get.
Thank you.
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Sounds like McCain-ism runs through the party. Didn't we just see the same last fall?
archer52 Monday, September 28th at 1:03PM EST (link)Middle of the road “moderate/elite” Republicans under sell the power and the value of the conservative wing of the party, which is one reason they continuously feel they have to run to the middle over and over. Even after failure after failure they cannot seem to stop themselves. It sounds like California is doing exactly what the national republicans had done when backing McCain (who will go down in history as the man who ran the worst campaign ever.)
Too bad, it isn’t like the table hasn’t been set by the Obama power grab and the conservative reaction. All they have to do is sit down and feast. But no, the “Republican leadership” is hooked on being liked, being thought of as compassionate, and I guess, being in last place.
That is why I think the conservatives in the party should just hijack it away from them and drag everybody kicking and screaming to the right. Rubio would be a good first start, as would many others. Just pick the conservative candidate you like and support him or her. Force the Republicans to back your guy and not the one they prefer.
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eburke (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 4:09PM EST (link)Thought I’d save you the keystrokes, Cold Warrior
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ColdWarrior (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 9:51PM EST (link)Thank you!
Am on a conference call at the moment with Leonard Roberto from New York who has come up with:
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DeVore leaking fake straw poll results?
newred Monday, September 28th at 2:29PM EST (link)Is it true that the DeVore camp has been sending out results of a CRP straw poll that never took place? It’s being reported on the CNN.com politicker page. If that’s true, it’s pretty trashy
Oh yeah, CNN
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 3:09PM EST (link)THEY never lie about conservatives.
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yeah, that's why...
newred Monday, September 28th at 3:56PM EST (link)I’m asking first. Have any of the RS editors received emails, press releases, or tweets about a CRP straw poll from the DeVore camp?
Did you read the CNN article newred...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 4:15PM EST (link)Joushua Trevino, DeVore’s spokesman, clearly states that the straw poll was not affiliated with the CRP, just that it was done at the convention. I didn’t rcv any email claiming the straw poll was an official CRP poll. I also perused Chuck’s twitter page and so no such assertion.
CNN is trying to stir up a controversy where none exists. Why are you helping them?
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Well I don't like to spread rumors like that
Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 4:41PM EST (link)I have heard things, but not about DeVore. But come on. It’s a straw poll. Who really cares?
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Straw polls are important.
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:59AM EST (link)Just ask President Huckabee.
Senator Cornyn, do your job: No funds for Don Quixotes.
smagar (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:34PM EST (link)After reading through all the threads here, I must agree with Neil and cwilson: the NRSC should stay out of primaries.
However, as part of that acknowledgment, I think we should also acknowledge that the NRSC can only do so much to return the Senate to GOP control. If state GOPs nominate candidates that the party faithful like but the voters don’t—-well, no one can expect you to soar with the eagles if we send you turkeys.
Accordingly, I don’t see where you’re obligated to spend one thin dime on a Don Quixote candidate. If a state’s GOP decides to joust with windmills, I expect you to let them fight solo. If they’re not going to be serious about winning elections, then why should you subsidize them?
We are in dire straits in the Senate. We must first stop the bleeding before we can rebuild.
Of course, if a state GOP nominates a candidate that polls and fundraises well statewide, you should be there with all the support you can muster. But, IMO, you’re not only NOT obligated to spend money foolishly, you’re obligated to NOT do so.
Responsible people make tough choices in tough times. I disagree with your choices to support Crist in FL and Fiorina in the CA primary…but I see why you made them.
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I got one more argument to make against you Smagar
kyle8 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:49PM EST (link)And this one is a trump card:
Nothing which Cornyn or the NRSC has done recently has been good, helpful, or made a damn bit of sense, So why should we trust them now?
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The Ironic thing is ...
gator_hoo (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 10:48PM EST (link)This “sell out our principles to take the seat” strategy has done nothing but lose seats
Aw come on, Kyle. What are you talking about?
eburke (Diary) Tuesday, September 29th at 8:34AM EST (link)Look at all the electoral gains the GOP leadership has fostered in the last 2 election cycles governing like Dem-lites and consistently supporting the least conservative candidate in a primary?
Who are you to question their stellar track record and strategy? You…you…you… close-minded, RINO-purging, purist.
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Help!!!!!!!!
DavidS1787 (Diary) Monday, September 28th at 8:43PM EST (link)I can’t reply to a comment…… everytime I push the reply button the page goes back to the top.