Could you make your family budget look good in a ten-year analysis if you counted ten years of income but only seven of expenditures? That’s what the Congressional Budget Office did in their report on Senator Max Baucus’s health care bill.
Their subpar accounting includes revenue from tax increases and cuts to Medicare and Medicare Advantage starting in 2010. However, the bulk of expenditures begin in 2013, when many of the bill’s programs go into effect. It sounds like the CBO has started taking accounting tips from old Enron manuals. How can Democrats be taken seriously if they use ten years of revenue to pay for seven years of expenditures?
It’s frightening that Congress could soon vote on a bill that will cost Americans hundreds of billions of dollars without the crucial information of an honest CBO score. But that’s just what Democrats will ask us all to do. It is smoke-and-mirrors trickery that should have no place in Congress – a deceitful playbook from which the Congressional Majority has played from time and time again.
Democrats will use these CBO numbers to continue the charade that their proposals would reduce health care costs for Americans. But one only has to look at the dozens of new taxes Senator Baucus’s bill creates to see that health care will become much more expensive for Americans. And for the first three years, we really won’t be getting what we’re paying for.
Steve Maley
KnightsofMalta
"It’s frightening that Congress could soon vote on a bill . . . ."
ColdWarrior (Diary) Friday, October 9th at 5:55PM EST (link)It’s even more frightening that our so-called conservative Republican “loyal opposition” elected officials like you, who are supposed to be fighting for our individual rights, and protecting us from unconstitutional legislation, are not shouting from the roof tops that Congress has no authority to enact any legislation whatsoever under Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution and in the face of the Tenth Article in the Bill of Rights over my right to have my own health care apart from any governmental meddling and certainly has no power to rob Peter to pay for Paul’s health care.
Why aren’t those of you who claim the mantle of being a “leader” in the Congress educating the American people about this travesty on Constitutional grounds and fighting against in, in the first instance, on Constitutional grounds?
Or may we assume that you really don’t believe what I set forth above?
Like, perhaps, this?
This young soldier can find the necessary words; why can’t you?
And I really would like a response. I’m in CD 5, next door to yours, and I displayed your bumper sticker on my car in 2008 — I may not before the primary in 2010. I’ve made donations to your past campaigns.
Whether any of that happens before your upcoming 2010 primary election depends on whether I see your response here and your actions from now on.
Thank you.
ColdWarrior
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Great video
aesthete (Diary) Friday, October 9th at 7:16PM EST (link)And a great point that often gets lost: none of this is constitutional. Of course, most of what has been going on in Congress post-New Deal isn’t either, but health-care is a particularly egregious misuse of the “general welfare” clause liberals are so fond of.
The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Hear hear!
Jim Friday, October 9th at 7:24PM EST (link)Well said ColdWarrior!
It is more than obvious that the Democrats are lying through their teeth on this whole health care bill. But the Republicans have been stone-silent on offering the truly conservative rebuttal, which is that the federal government has NO authority to manage or interfere with healthcare under the US Constitution. In fact, the only area in which the federal government should be stepping in right now is not being widely discussed, which is to break down the restrictive barriers to trade between the states when it comes to the purchase of health insurance (the true intent of the commerce clause).
I am all for pointing out the pathetic double-speak coming out of the Democrat’s mouths, but the Republicans need to get serious and stop being content with simply taking pot-shots at the obvious. “We’re not them” might get you some shallow, short term gains, but it will get you nowhere near a smaller government and a freer society.
“If we wish to preserve a free society, it is essential that we recognize that the desirability of a particular object is not sufficient justification for the use of coercion.”
F.A. Hayek
“Laws are no longer made by a rational process of public discussion; they are made by a process of blackmail and intimidation, and they are executed in the same manner. The typical lawmaker of today is a man wholly devoid of principle — a mere counter in a grotesque and knavish game. If the right pressure could be applied to him, he would be cheerfully in favor of polygamy, astrology or cannibalism.”
H.L. Mencken
ColdWarrior- I understand your point
Scope (Diary) Friday, October 9th at 11:07PM EST (link)How can the Republicans scream that something is unconstitutional when the Republicans, in the last administration, also did things that were unconstitutional?
Rep Shadegg, how do the Congressional Republicans plan to win back the confidence and faith in the Republican party? I’m tired of hearing everyone, and I mean everyone, knocking what the Republicans did when they had majorities (new entitlement programs, TARP, Bailouts and etc.). and I want to know what you guys are doing to insure that the Republicans will never ever go down that disastrous path again?
ColdWarrior- I understand your point
Scope (Diary) Friday, October 9th at 11:07PM EST (link)How can the Republicans scream that something is unconstitutional when the Republicans, in the last administration, also did things that were unconstitutional?
Rep Shadegg, how do the Congressional Republicans plan to win back the confidence and faith in the Republican party? I’m tired of hearing everyone, and I mean everyone, knocking what the Republicans did when they had majorities (new entitlement programs, TARP, Bailouts and etc.). and I want to know what you guys are doing to insure that the Republicans will never ever go down that disastrous path again?
Senator Baucus’s Taxfest
Remington_Steele (Diary) Friday, October 9th at 6:35PM EST (link)Thank you Rep. Shadegg for this reality check on the Baucus bill! Just last night I was floored by his bill’s tax on me personally and how it will affect many more than just I. Read my diary about this new tax here.
Democrats taken seriously?
DerKrieger (Diary) Friday, October 9th at 7:04PM EST (link)How can they possibly be take seriously when they claim
1) spending $1 TRILLION over 10 years will save money.
2) They will save money by taxing, and driving up the cost of, 49 pages of medical devices.
3) Seniors won’t be disproportionately impacted when they are the major consumers of health care.
4) They will save money by taxing “Cadillac” insurance plans. Unless you’re in a union.
5) The public option will pay for itself but those below certain threshold won’t pay anything at all.
6) The bill will take money from you in taxes, wash it through the bureaucracy, and then return it to you as a subsidy so you can buy health coverage.
No, this is a convoluted scheme to put socialists in charge of our lives and must be fought tooth and nail.
“In questions of power, let no more be heard of confidence in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of the Constitution.” – Thomas Jefferson
“I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents.” – James Madison
Whenever the legislators endeavor to take away and destroy the property of the people, or to reduce them to slavery under arbitrary power, they put themselves into a state of war with the people, who are thereupon absolved from any further obedience.” — John Locke, 1690
I'm afraid you're wrong, Congressman
Mario (Diary) Saturday, October 10th at 10:01AM EST (link)The CBO operates by very specific rules. The fact that those rules can be manipulated to produce favorable results doesn’t make the Office complicit in the lies of the manipulator. An honest CBO score is one that follows the same rules it applies to every other piece of legislation, and that seems to be the case here unless you have evidence to the contrary. It is incumbent upon people, like the good Congressman, that have access to the media and the benefit of the facts, to show the voters how that score was manipulated to produce favorable results. Complaining about the referee does no good, particularly since 1) Republicans have used similar tactics in the past; 2) Past CBO scores of this very legislation have been just as unfavorable to the radical side of the debate; 3) The only way to fix the problem would be to allow the CBO more latitude in how it scores bills, which would only open the process up to more political manipulation; and 4) It’s just not fair to a number of people that have been doing a pretty good and fair job in a highly charged, emotional debate.
Vapor Bill
dclamage Monday, October 12th at 9:53AM EST (link)The CBO scored a vapor bill. There’s zero legislative language in it. Congress is about to vote on a conceptual bill. The final language could be light years distant from the conceptual version.
The Congressman’s allegation is that the CBO used 10 years of revenue but applied it against only 7 years of expenses. I would like to see the origin on this assertion. If true, it defies normal accepted accounting practice.
Congress is particularly incompetent and unqualified to design from scratch an entire healthcare system. Baucus’ bill is a drastic and unprecedented attempt to reengineer private industry. That alone is unconstitutional.
Healthcare reform should cost taxpayers nothing.
1. Allow the 1,300 health insurance carriers to compete in all 50 states and 7 (?) territories.
2. Implement sane Tort Reform, to lower the cost of Malpractice insurance and reduce the need for “defensive medicine”.
3. Phase out Medicare/Medicaid over the next 20 years.
4. If Congress insists on passing laws forbidding insurance companies from dropping sick people from their rolls, denying coverage for pre-existing conditions, and rejecting sick applicants, then everyone’s insurance premiums will go up to cover these high-risk people. The only way to minimize that is to create a high-risk pool that all carriers must support; just as the automobile insurance industry has done for men 18-24, with its attendant higher premiums.
5. Lower the cost of medical training, so the US can produce more qualified practitioners (instead of importing mediocre talent from less-developed countries). The Federal gov’t can devise credits to assist students and universities, and create a financial atmospehere that’s friendly to doctors and nurses. Tax breaks for Americans who choose to go into or remain in desired occupations.
I’m sure there are a few other ideas for how to improve our healthcare system; and most of them involve getting the gov’t's nose (and sticky fingers) out of it.
– Dan Clamage
Great points
izoneguy (Diary) Monday, October 12th at 9:58AM EST (link)But the political climate will have to change dramatically before any “real reform” is ever implemented.
The Congress will have to get real with our countries debt & interest problems before anything can be done about healthcare.
The current thinking is moving us towards a total disaster.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Hard of hearing
fayers (Diary) Tuesday, October 13th at 5:10PM EST (link)The Congress and other politction’s seem to be hard of hearing when the American people speak. But with your help they will listen to the next election results when they find out that they have been VOTED OUT.
Fred, Nashville N.C.