Healthcare reform that involves government interference in any way should not happen. Maybe the system is broken, maybe it isn’t. But one thing that will not help the situation is tort reform. Lawsuits are not the problem.
Study after study shows that 5% of all doctors commit 95% of the medical malpractice. The medical licensing boards refuse to yank the license of these doctors. Or, if the license is yanked, the doctor just crosses state lines and get licensed in a new state. Free to continue committing malpractice. I’m an attorney. I screw up, there goes my license. If I try to apply in another state, I must disclose any other licenses and the status of that license. I even have to disclose any applications for bar admission — even if not admitted. If I am licensed in more than one state and get in trouble in state B, State A gets to yank my license to. Doctors do not face this. Their own rules protect them.
Everyone screams about the high jury verdicts. Just like they screamed about the McDonald’s coffee verdict. But, everyone hears the numbers without regard to the facts behind it. In the McDonald’s case, McDonald’s knew their coffee was dangerously hot and chose to continue to keep it at that dangerous temperature. Also, the woman who was burned was not just a little red or had a little discomfort. She was hospitalized several days and needed skin grafts. The same is true in a medical malpratice case. The facts are that once a case goes to trial, there are usually major damages and the defense is only offering a paltry amount. To fix damages committed by medical malpractice — or to pay for pain and suffering — when it can’t be fixed is not cheap. Also, remember, you only hear about the big verdicts. You don’t hear so much about the legitimate cases that could not even get in the courthouse door because of the roadblocks to filing.
Medical malpractice cases are the ONLY cases where you have to provide corroboration of the allegations with the pleadings. In most cases, your expert witness supporting the allegation is identified later then testifies at trial. To file a medical malpractice claim, you have to have a doctor sign an affidavit that malpractice occurred at the time you file the suit. If you sue a car mechanic, not necessary to have that affidavit. If you sue a lawyer, don’t need that affidavit. If you sue a car manufacturer or any other product manufacturer, you can go with the bare allegations and provide support later. Only medical malpractice provides this hurdle.
There is also another hurdle to filing, you must file a bond to show your good faith. Every other pleading, the lawyer’s signature is enough to show a good faith belief this is not a frivolous lawsuit. But somehow, for medical malpractice suits, a lawyer’s word is not good enough. If lawyer’s lie and file frivolous suits all the time, why only require bonds for one specific type of case? Because the bond makes it harder for citizens with legitimate complaints to access the courts.
The purpose of the hurdles is just that — to keep cases out of the courthouse. Does it keep out frivolous suits? Yes. Does it keep out legitimate claims? Yes. Courts need to enforce existing rules against frivolous lawsuits of all kinds, rather than make it harder to bring specific types of claims.
Lawsuit reform sounds easy. It doesn’t sound like government interference in people’s business (but it is). In reality, it will not solve the problem. It will only allow doctors who commit malpractice to continue to do so without fear of repercussions.
When it is your four year old who has his tonsils out at 6 a.m. and is dead by noon because they failed to monitor his anesthesia properly, when it is your elderly loved one shoved in a corner and her pain ignored because the doctor can’t be bothered to come to the nursing home on a weekend and the staff fakes the DNR to justify their actions* — then tell me how we need to make it even harder to bring legitimate lawsuits.
*actual cases I worked on as a paralegal before becoming a lawyer.
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Tort Reform Spurs Economic Growth; Aids Access to Healthcare
izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 9:33AM EST (link)http://www.atra.org/wrap/files.cgi/7964_howworks.html
How Tort Reform Works
TEXAS: Tort Reform Spurs Economic Growth; Aids Access to Healthcare
In 2003, the Texas state Legislature passed H.B. 4 to further reform the state’s civil justice system. The bill addressed issues such as: limits on noneconomic damages; product liability reform; punitive damages; medical liability reform joint and several liability; and class action reform. Voters also approved a constitutional amendment, Proposition 12, in 2003, which eliminates potential court challenges to the law that limited noneconomic damages to $750,000. Since the enactment of H.B. 4 and the subsequent passage of Proposition 12, Texas has made great strides in growing its economy and providing jobs and accessible healthcare to its citizens.
Successes in the medical community:
The American Medical Association dropped Texas from its list of states in medical liability crisis (Houston Chronicle, 5/17/05).
Malpractice claims are down and physician recruitment and retention are up, particularly in high risk specialties (Houston Chronicle, 5/17/05).
The five largest Texas insurers cut rates, which will save doctors about $50 million, according to the AMA (Houston Chronicle, 5/17/05).
Malpractice lawsuits in Harris County have dropped to about half of what they were in 2001 and 2002. There were 204 cases filed in 2004, compared with 441 in 2001 and 550 in 2002. There were 1,154 lawsuits filed in 2003, attributed to attorneys trying to file before the new law took effect (Houston Chronicle, 5/17/05).
Harris County has seen a net gain of 689 physicians, an 8.4 percent increase, according to the Texas State Board of Medical Examiners (Houston Chronicle, 5/17/05).
Texas Medical Liability Trust, the state’s largest liability carrier, reduced its premiums by 17 percent (Houston Chronicle, 5/17/05).
Fifteen new insurance companies have entered the Texas market (Associated Press, 2/16/05).
Health Care Indemnity, the state’s largest carrier for hospitals, cut rates by 15 percent in 2004 (Associated Press, 2/16/05).
American Physicians Insurance Exchange and The Doctor’s Company also reduced premiums (Associated Press, 2/16/05).
The American Physicians Insurance Exchange saw a $3.5 million reduction in premiums for Texas physicians in 2005. In addition, beginning May 1, 2005, 2,2000 of the 3,500 physicians insured by the company would see an average drop of 5 percent in their premiums (The Heartland Institute, 5/1/05).
Texas: Tort Reform Spurs Economic Growth
In 1995 the Texas Legislature passed a series of bills to reform the state’s civil justice system. These bills addressed: limits on punitive damages, joint and several liability, sanctions for filing frivolous suits, limits on venue shopping and out-of-state filings, modifications to deceptive trade practices and medical malpractice reform.
According to the study, The Impact of Judicial Reforms on Economic Activity in Texas, the total cost of the Texas tort system in 2000 was $15.482 billion.
Without reforms, it is estimated that the total cost would have been $25.889 billion.
Of the $10.407 billion in total direct savings, approximately $2.777 billion may be attributed to improvements at the national level while $7.630 billion in savings were from reforms in Texas.
Of the total savings, $2.542 billion went directly to benefit consumers.
The Perryman Group. The Impact of Judicial Reforms on Economic Activity in Texas Overall Economic Impact on State’s Economy. (August 2000)
Facts to Consider: Benefits to Consumers
It is estimated that reforms enacted in 1995 resulted in savings of $2.542 billion that directly benefits consumers.
$1.796 billion in annual cost savings from reduced inflation ($216 per household)
$7.056 billion in annual total personal growth income ($862 per household)
The net result was a savings of $1,078 per year to the typical Texas household.
The Perryman Group. The Impact of Judicial Reforms on Economic Activity in Texas Overall Economic Impact on State’s Economy. (August 2000)
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Mississippi is similar
Beaglescout (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:35AM EST (link)The Original Poster is an attorney. We would expect him to defend his profession. But in this case he is wrong. Tort reform does not prevent lawsuits. It prevents massive powerball-lottery-sized penalties from being awarded that distort the malpractice insurance market and drive ob/gyns and other high-risk but needed specialties out of business.
Or am I completely mistaken… is a world without ob/gyns a better world?
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
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red4ever (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 11:36AM EST (link)I am female.
Second, I don’t do med mal suits. I did them as a paralegal so I saw the suffering of the victims first hand (don’t see the pictures right before lunch). Please note, most tort reform is aimed at one specific type of case — medical malpratice.
All cutting liability does is let those committing the malpractice not pay for their crimes. If you cap punitives, it just because another cost of business. Why do car companies no longer put sidesaddle gas tanks in cars — because it cost them a ton of money in lawsuits when they did.
OB/Gyns are leaving the business because their insurance goes higher. Becuase they have to cover the costs of insuring those who screw up. Not solely because of lawsuits. Their insurance will continue to go up as long as the ones who screw up have their licenses. The medical boards need to be tougher, not the laws more lenient.
The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
Dante
when attorneys like John Edwards can win millions from baseless lawsuits
Beaglescout (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 4:25PM EST (link)Against obgyns because he convinced a jury that a c-section would have saved that child from cerebral palsy, when there is absolutely no credible medical tie between the two, then obgyns have no defense. It is not the obgyn who has done nothing wrong who is at fault.
I guess this is my way of saying, yes there are successful and bad lawyers.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
beagle
mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 5:38PM EST (link)I don’t know what case your talking about but that doesn’t seem far fetched to argue a section could have saved a person from CP since it’s often caused by a lack of oxygen around the time of birth. There might be some bogus malpractice claims out there but that sure doesn’t sound like one of them.
Channeling a CP fetus
cwilson (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 11:07PM EST (link)Whether CP is caused, in some cases, by oxygen deprivation during birth is beside the point (actually, the only labor/delivery-related cause of CP supported by modern medical studies — as opposed to lawyers’ websites — is inflammation or infection of the umbilical cord or amniotic membranes). Furthermore, while caesarian births have increased from 7% to over 20% of births in the US, since 1975 (and some statistics put it at over 30% now), the rate of CP has remained constant. Chart
Yet, Edward’s lawsuits were based on the premise that the OB/GYN was at fault in a CP birth because he did NOT deliver the child using a caesarian. But, because he won that lawsuit — and 20 more just like it, for over $60M — he, and his copycats nationwide, singlehandedly changed labor/delivery practices in the US drastically. In ways that (a) had no benefit for the infant — see above, and (b) dramatically increased the danger of complications including death of millions of pregnant women.
And we won’t even get into John Edwards’ courtroom tactics in those cases (see title).
But sure, you go ahead and treat John Edwards’ signature abuse of the medmal system as evidence that it works just fine.
I’m sure it does — if you happen to be a lawyer. For the rest of us, not so much.
Finally, if unlimited medmal lawsuits are such a great idea, then I think we ought to also have unlimited lawmal lawsuits. And, since the livelihoods of doctors are subject to the opinions of plaintiff’s lawyers and judges (another species of lawyer), then it would be fair, I think, if the courtrooms in which lawmal lawsuits were heard were presided over by surgeons. Sound good? No? Really? Why not?
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Amen! Can I get a witness? -nt-
Beaglescout (Diary) Thursday, September 3rd at 12:56PM EST (link)“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
Punitive damages are not working
Kyle-MI (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 4:25PM EST (link)Bad doctors do not pay punitive damages. Malpractice insurance pays those. Malpractice insurance rates are not based on the malpractice history of any single doctor. The bottom line is that punitive damages do absolutely no good. We could completely bar punitive damages today and our quality of healthcare would be no different, but it would be cheaper. In other words, punitive damages are extremely inefficient in improving the quality of healthcare.
The people who file malpractice suits are being deluded. They think these suits will get rid of these bad doctors and spare someone their problems, but they do not. So what is the point of these malpractice suits?
I do agree with you on one thing, we do need tougher medical boards, but it is not an either or situation. We can have both limited or eliminated punitive damages and tougher medical boards.
Not "the" answer, but certainly part of the answer
Kyle-MI (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 9:52AM EST (link)In your first paragraph you yourself just admitted that the malpractice legal system is broken. The problem with malpractice is not compensation but punitive damages. Punitive means punishment and punishment is suppose to make people stop doing what they did to deserve punishment. If the system were working then punitive damages should be forcing bad doctors out of business, leaving good doctors in place. By your very own admission that is not happening. Instead both good and bad doctors are being punished.
Another tell-tale sign that malpractice is not working is that malpractice insurance premiums are NOT based on how many a doctors been sued or lost. This is not like auto insurance where your premiums increase if you have an accident. In the past insurance companies have actually tried to base malpractice premiums on the number of lawsuits, but they found that the correlation was too random. In other words, the number of past lawsuits against a doctor had no being on whether a doctor would be sued in the future.
The bottom line is that punitive damages in malpractice lawsuits are not improving the quality of healthcare but are simply driving up the cost for everyone. The system is broken.
Poor logic.
Loren Heal (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:07AM EST (link)Lawsuits are government interference in the marketplace.
Further, we have:
What your statistic really says is that only 5% of doctors commit malpractice on their patients. Given our experience with general human error curves, I would suspect that 1% of doctors commit half or more of the malpractice.
But how does that argue against tort reform? If 5% of doctors are out there committing serial malpractice, as you imply, then 95% of doctors are paying for it with their malpractice insurance and you and I are paying for all of it, ultimately.
Tort reform is not just limiting damages, but also instituting statutory guidelines for what doctors should and should not be held liable for doing. And in my considered opinion that is squarely in the middle of the purpose of government.
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Tort reform won't get rid of the bad doctors
red4ever (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 11:38AM EST (link)Only the medical licensing board can yank a license. All a lawsuit does it make the doctors pay higher insurance costs.
If the medical boards did their job — instead of protecting bad doctors — there would be fewer bad doctors out there to sue. In which case, there would be fewer lawsuits.
The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
Dante
The Texas Medical Board has a website
izoneguy (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 11:41AM EST (link)That all people looking for doctors should visit first – before that first doctor visit. Get referrals from friends…..
http://reg.tmb.state.tx.us/OnLineVerif/Phys_NoticeVerif.asp
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Punitive damages do not get rid of bad doctors either (n/t)
Kyle-MI (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 4:26PM EST (link)n/t
I'm glad you posted this
mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:07AM EST (link)I don’t know much about it but I know how bad it is in hospitals their staff/ patient ratios. I’ve taken care of people in nursing homes due to bad surgeries too and it’s heart breaking. The lawyers are always talked about as being bad bad bad but what about the patients? What about the greed that makes management set up things to be unsafe.
So many of the problems seem to be because they are trying to make/save money but it’s so extreme. If I was an administrator I’d cut out some of the more do nothing offices and put more money into hiring more lower paid ancillary staff. I know we talk bad about unions on here but I am sure they are a good thing if they force the stafff/patient rations to be better.
Never leave a relative alone at the hospital on a regular floor (they do get good care in a unit usually), not even for 2 hours to go home and shower. If your having surgery you can request a specific CRNA and anesthesiologist. Try to ask someone that works in the OR who the staff picks when having a procedure done and request them.
"staff/patient rations"?
blooch Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:29AM EST (link)I know you meant to say “relations”…didn’t you?
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
ratios
mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:31AM EST (link)I’m not awake yet this morning.:-)
much better than my guess
blooch Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:48AM EST (link)I’m not trying to put words in your mouth
“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”
well some patients try lol nt
mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:52AM EST (link)Why do hospitals spend so much money on drones to do paperwork?
Beaglescout (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:31AM EST (link)Hospitals hire the drones to do paperwork for a reason. They don’t hire nurses and other caregivers because those drones cost money. Why do they hire all the drones?
Government regulations require some of the paperwork.
Defensive medicine required to protect against frivolous malpractice forces the rest of the paperwork.
Very little of the paperwork is for the patients’ good. Most of it is CYA paperwork to satisfy insurance companies and the government.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
I'm ok with paper pushers
mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:46AM EST (link)Actually those depts usually run things tight and in fact many things do not even get billed to the insurance because they can’t do it in time and those people are actually working.
I was referring more to the higher paid positions they create for people they can’t fire, the “diversity” office, or the directors of____ which has nothing to do with patient care, revenue, staff education/credentials or human resources, those type of offices. They are all well paid positions too.
beagle
mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:50AM EST (link)I didn’t mean to discount what you said. I know how huge billing and those things are and you are right.:)
Just like removing all traces of the "public option" from the health care bill...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 10:31AM EST (link)the inclusion of comprehensive medical liability reform and insurance operability and portability are non-negotiable. They are an integral part of reducing health care costs and expanding coverage.
Denying the clear and successful track record where comprehensive medical liability reform has been instituted is disingenuous and does not make it so.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
But medical liability reform doesn't fix things
red4ever (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 11:41AM EST (link)All it does it is make it harder to bring the cases. You already have to jump through more hoops to file a medical malpractice claim than any other claim. If you make it even harder, all it means is fewer suits are filed. It does not mean medical care has improved.
Again, get rid of the bad doctors through the medical boards. Then you don’t need to sue.
The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who, in times of great moral crisis, maintain their neutrality.
Dante
But quality of care isn't the problem red4ever...it is cost of care.
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 11:51AM EST (link)Tort reform has been proven to lower costs in the places that it has been done. If you want to talk about quality of care that is moving the goal posts from what the real problem is within our healthcare system.
conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
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5 nt
Pomme (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 12:56PM EST (link)nt
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views” William F Buckley Jr.
Thanks Pomme nt
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 1:00PM EST (link)conform and celebrate diversity….or else!!!
“We’d be much better off if We The People had desired small government enough to keep it.” acat
Follow @Aaron_RS
it is an issue
mom2oneson (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 5:44PM EST (link)Those that are for tort reform seem to assume physicians and hospital staff always do the best they can for patients and would never jepordize a patient’s safety/care. Unfortunately it’s not like that.
The quality of care is a separate issue which needs to be addressed...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 9:08PM EST (link)with the respective hospital certification or accreditation board or medical licensing board.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Comprehensive medical liability reform...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 8:50PM EST (link)has lowered health care costs everywhere its been implemented, and legitimate medical liability cases continue unabated.
If you wish to address quality of care:
It’s up to the respective medical licensing boards to follow-up and take the appropriate disciplinary action on a case by case basis. Including, but not limited to, revocation of the license to practice medicine.
Under the current system, if you’re still not satisfied with the board’s actions, you’re free to vote with your pocketbook and your feet.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Here are some things to think about
themississippideacon (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 2:07PM EST (link)Everyone so far as I can read believes tort reform has no real bearing on the healthcare system. Agreed. From experience, my mother, at the age of, well let’s just say she’d not in the AARP yet, had her life forever changed by a gastro surgeon. Later, he was admitted into rehab for prescription drug addiction.
My parents tried to file suit, but to red4ever’s point, the legal system made it impossible for my parents to recoup any losses. My mother is permenantly disabled.
Who do we hold accountable? The holders of the power to grant licenses. How? If someone has that answer I’d sure like to hear it. Maybe they should be part of some of this litigation.
TMD
I have inlaws who have sued many doctors
Beaglescout (Diary) Wednesday, September 2nd at 4:42PM EST (link)They weren’t prevented from suing any of them by malpractice law. They’re in Alabama. I’m in Mississippi. What I’m more concerned about is the obgyns. They were fleeing out of MS before 2004, when tort reform was passed. Now the flight has stopped, and you can still have a baby delivered in MS.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”