Comments on: Detonate the pro-life congressmen phones: Stupak about to fall for the useless Executive Order (He and the other pro-lifers won’t get any cover from this) http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2010/03/21/detonate-the-pro-life-congressmen-phones-stupak-about-to-fall-for-the-useless-executive-order-he-and-the-other-pro-lifers-wont-get-any-cover-from-this/ Fri, 17 Feb 2012 03:47:08 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: rcov092 http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2010/03/21/detonate-the-pro-life-congressmen-phones-stupak-about-to-fall-for-the-useless-executive-order-he-and-the-other-pro-lifers-wont-get-any-cover-from-this/#comment-432 rcov092 Sun, 21 Mar 2010 15:00:48 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/?p=326#comment-432 they will lose a bunch: Headline below: "OVERHEARD: Walking into Capitol this morning on phone, Speaker Pelosi tells Hoyer: 'Steny, we have to get to 217. None of these members wants to be the deciding vote'... Developing... " they will lose a bunch:
Headline below:

“OVERHEARD: Walking into Capitol this morning on phone, Speaker Pelosi tells Hoyer: ‘Steny, we have to get to 217. None of these members wants to be the deciding vote’… Developing… “

]]> By: Swamp_Yankee http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2010/03/21/detonate-the-pro-life-congressmen-phones-stupak-about-to-fall-for-the-useless-executive-order-he-and-the-other-pro-lifers-wont-get-any-cover-from-this/#comment-431 Swamp_Yankee Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:56:38 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/?p=326#comment-431 Stupak explicitly stated he was close to a deal with the White House. The only thing the WH can do is an EO. Its his own words, not my interpretation. Im not pessimist, nor do I cling to flase hope. I'm just looking for facts. Kaptur just flipped Stupak explicitly stated he was close to a deal with the White House. The only thing the WH can do is an EO. Its his own words, not my interpretation.

Im not pessimist, nor do I cling to flase hope.

I’m just looking for facts.

Kaptur just flipped

]]> By: Swamp_Yankee http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2010/03/21/detonate-the-pro-life-congressmen-phones-stupak-about-to-fall-for-the-useless-executive-order-he-and-the-other-pro-lifers-wont-get-any-cover-from-this/#comment-430 Swamp_Yankee Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:49:28 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/?p=326#comment-430 Two losses. Both were more long shots. We need a group of hard core Stupak hold outs of about five or six and some comobination of a around three of the other undecideds. Need Davis to give us momentum. Two losses. Both were more long shots.

We need a group of hard core Stupak hold outs of about five or six and some comobination of a around three of the other undecideds.

Need Davis to give us momentum.

]]> By: JSobieski http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2010/03/21/detonate-the-pro-life-congressmen-phones-stupak-about-to-fall-for-the-useless-executive-order-he-and-the-other-pro-lifers-wont-get-any-cover-from-this/#comment-429 JSobieski Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:47:28 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/?p=326#comment-429 Stupak said Saturday that there were "at least six" of his original dozen that were going to oppose the health bill. He said that he was "going to think about" what would need to be included in an executive order to convince him that no federal dollars would go toward funding abortion. Further, Stupak said that he had not talked to the White House about such an executive order. Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) confirmed Stupak's whip count of at least six holdouts. In an interview with The Hill, Kaptur said that an executive order "could be helpful, depending on what's in it." But, not having talked with the White House about such an action, she said, "I don't really know how real that is." House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters Saturday that he was "hopeful" that an executive order, under discussion by leaders on abortion, will persuade a majority of "pro-life" Democrats to vote for the bill. Stupak said Saturday that there were “at least six” of his original dozen that were going to oppose the health bill. He said that he was “going to think about” what would need to be included in an executive order to convince him that no federal dollars would go toward funding abortion. Further, Stupak said that he had not talked to the White House about such an executive order.

Rep. Marcy Kaptur (D-Ohio) confirmed Stupak’s whip count of at least six holdouts.

In an interview with The Hill, Kaptur said that an executive order “could be helpful, depending on what’s in it.”

But, not having talked with the White House about such an action, she said, “I don’t really know how real that is.”

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) told reporters Saturday that he was “hopeful” that an executive order, under discussion by leaders on abortion, will persuade a majority of “pro-life” Democrats to vote for the bill.

]]> By: Swamp_Yankee http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2010/03/21/detonate-the-pro-life-congressmen-phones-stupak-about-to-fall-for-the-useless-executive-order-he-and-the-other-pro-lifers-wont-get-any-cover-from-this/#comment-428 Swamp_Yankee Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:44:40 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/?p=326#comment-428 Disappointing no doubt, but there is no electoral pressure there. As long as the GOP keeps its real close, those in tough races are less likely to throw their hat with the Dems. Lets go Vols. Rocky Mountain Top forever. Disappointing no doubt, but there is no electoral pressure there.

As long as the GOP keeps its real close, those in tough races are less likely to throw their hat with the Dems.

Lets go Vols. Rocky Mountain Top forever.

]]> By: Swamp_Yankee http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2010/03/21/detonate-the-pro-life-congressmen-phones-stupak-about-to-fall-for-the-useless-executive-order-he-and-the-other-pro-lifers-wont-get-any-cover-from-this/#comment-427 Swamp_Yankee Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:40:58 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/?p=326#comment-427 Yes, its real, but its one of these "phantom" things. The Dema leaders, I wager, are playing both sides, keeping it ambiguous. Once Stupak or the Pro-Choice Block understand it, I suspect one group will waver, but by then the leadership will push, the well the vote is aonly couple hours away and we cant bicker about this now. Just vote yes and we will deal with the detail later.... we promise. Boucher is becoming a concern. Its getting kind of late for lobbying, but if there is one talking point to be emphasized, it is that EOs are extremely and are unnacceptable to Catholics. http://thehill.com/homenews/house/88079-stupak-we-are-close-to-deal-with-the-white-house Yes, its real, but its one of these “phantom” things. The Dema leaders, I wager, are playing both sides, keeping it ambiguous.

Once Stupak or the Pro-Choice Block understand it, I suspect one group will waver, but by then the leadership will push, the well the vote is aonly couple hours away and we cant bicker about this now. Just vote yes and we will deal with the detail later…. we promise.

Boucher is becoming a concern.

Its getting kind of late for lobbying, but if there is one talking point to be emphasized, it is that EOs are extremely and are unnacceptable to Catholics.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/88079-stupak-we-are-close-to-deal-with-the-white-house

]]> By: bk http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/2010/03/21/detonate-the-pro-life-congressmen-phones-stupak-about-to-fall-for-the-useless-executive-order-he-and-the-other-pro-lifers-wont-get-any-cover-from-this/#comment-426 bk Sun, 21 Mar 2010 14:33:43 +0000 http://www.redstate.com/realquiet/?p=326#comment-426 what would be the problem with writing it into the law? It doesn't take a genius to tell this is just smoke and mirrors. what would be the problem with writing it into the law?

It doesn’t take a genius to tell this is just smoke and mirrors.

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