Rush Limbaugh nails it here and here.
Not too long ago, when I first heard the possible deal in the works about a seperate bill that Steny Hoyer was floating, I thought this was a hoodwink effort to get the Stupak coalition of votes of which if Pelosi doesn’t get those, Obamacare’s demise is certain. If Pelosi does get those, likely all eyes will be on Baron Hill and Brad Ellsworth of Indiana most notably. Ellsworth is making a run for Senate and knows that if he votes yea on this, he is finished. Baron Hill knows he is as well. Both live in GOP friendly districts.
Think about it here. Obama and the Democratic leadership want the health care issue out of the public eye as soon as possible. They can do this simply by passing the Senate bill and then moving on hoping that at least some Americans will forget about the government takeover of healthcare. The hoped for results would be that Democrats could somehow minimize the substantial losses they are looking at in the 2010 mid-term elections. The longer this drags on, it gets worse every day. The GOP of course would love to have this remain in the public eye until the mid-terms. They will keep the talk up about Obamacare whether talking about starting over (code speak for killing the bill) or repealing.
Obama/Pelosi/Reid are basing their hopes on what amounts to an all-in bid to get this passed by banking on Stupak’s naivity. To think that a seperate bill striking the abortion funding language from the Senate bill will pass and be signed by Obama is crazy. You honestly think that the Senate Democrats are going to alter their bill? Progressives in the House and Senate will start hollering and Pelosi will just tell Stupak and his fellow congressmen that she has hung “Sorry, I tried.” She will then turn and walk away with a smile on her face. Most of the Blue Dog caucus will then disappear from the Democratic party in November. This is probably Pelosi’s intention all along. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are all about their own ambition and having something to hang their hat on. No matter how many fellow Democratic congressman’s careers might be ruined, it is all about them.
Jay Cost this morning called for moderate Democrats to stand up to Obama and in essence hope to preserve their careers and caucus. Stupak has already seen what happens to politicians when they sell out their principles (i.e. Judas Ben Nelson). If he and his coalition vote yea for them, most if not all will likely lose their seats this coming November. The GOP is likely to make far greater gains in Congress if Obamacare is passed than if it fails. One thing that I see this morning from the Cost article/blog that is hopeful is that there is a growing number of congressmen who voted for Obamacare last time that are now undecided. It has grown to 16 congressmen. It could be that more are now leaning no or they do not want the public to know how they are going to vote until it is too late. The only way to kill this thing is to keep up the phone calls. The GOP is helping by making robocalls to vulnerable Dem congressman districts and this is having an impact on those congressmen up for re-election. Maximum pressure should be the rule.
So long as the Stupak Coalition, Baron Hill, and Brad Ellsworth have the heat on them by your calls, there is a good chance they will stay hesitant and might want to go home and hear from the constituents over the Easter recess. Obama, Pelosi, and Reid are terrified about this happening as it would likely sink Obamacare for good. Let’s kill this thing.
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"Stupak's naivete"
Return to Revolution (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 11:41AM EST (link)is a mythical item. That reconciliation will never happen has become so obvious, I can’t believe any politician really buys it. And we should let them all know it when we melt the phones becuase if its bribes and threats that turn any of them, they will try to hide behind ‘but they promised…’
Out of hand Constitutional fetishist
Where does Stupak say he buys into reconciliation?
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 12:28PM EST (link)All I see is Stupak trying to get want he wants—the House Bill into law. He made it clear that he is very much willing/eager to start from scratch in order to get there.
I have not read anything suggesting that Stupak is pursuing some kind of side-bar legislation.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Hoyer has been in talks with Stupak
RealQuiet (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 1:02PM EST (link)Hoyer floated this idea over the weekend. I don’t think it will fly. There is no way some sort of seperate “fix” bill will be passed by the Senate, let alone get it passed by November.
Heritage's Morning Bell was great on this topic.
joshgosser (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 1:15PM EST (link)It threw some cold water on this idea that Stupak is just going to cave in and vote for anything.
Quoting a local TV station, “According to Stupak, until the House and the Senate bills and the president’s proposals become one piece of legislation, health care will remain in limbo.”
“Considering that everyone agrees that abortion cannot be fixed in reconciliation, Stupak’s position is a total rejection of the White House’s current plan to have the House pass the Senate bill now on the promise that the Senate might come back and try and fix it sometime in the future,” Heritage wrote. “Stupak clearly wants ‘one piece of legislation,’ and the only way to accomplish that is to scrap the current Senate bill and start over.
Conservative in Topeka, Kansas.
NewtGingrich360
thank you!
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 1:55PM EST (link)nt
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
Stupak Says No Deal
C.S. McCoy (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 7:54PM EST (link)Stupak says there’s no deal and he won’t accept a promise to fix the abortion issue later on.
http://weeklystandard.com/print/blogs/stupak
Basically right. Stupak wants to pass health care reform this year
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 8:03PM EST (link)but he wants to start from scratch or from the House bill.
So nothing on Stupak has changed since December 24th.
Like I have repeatedly said, I would not give up on the guy—he is his own man even if he is a pro-government option big lib.
It will be interesting to see how others in DC react when they realize that Stupak is not going to go for a side-car bill.
I don’t think Obama and Stupak will be able to agree on abortion language in any case, but . ..
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
I was glad to read this!
bk (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 8:24PM EST (link)But I wonder what he’s optimistic about? I can’t see any way that they Dems will ping-pong it and count on 60 votes in the Senate.
I hope so. But hope's not a plan and I'll believe it when I see it. nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 9:01PM EST (link)Stupak interview and audio
JSobieski (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 8:07PM EST (link)http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/video?id=7319806&pid=7319043
http://abclocal.go.com/wjrt/video?id=7320350
HCR reform is not going to be dead until we are on the cusps of November, and even then in might pop up in a lame duck Congress.
We need to be vigilant, but smart money says no Obama care.
My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.
STOP THE MADNESS!
A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!
The good thing is, he "wants it in writing"
redneck_hippie (Diary) Tuesday, March 9th at 9:00PM EST (link)and says Obama is what is holding up the legislation because there isn’t a final bill yet. So far, so good.
Intrade still at 55% likely. I certainly would not bet my house on it failing.