There are a lot of people saying that these days.
“Oh, you support the war. Well, you’ll change your mind when you lose someone over there.”
“When you lose a family-member, you won’t be so sure about the war.”
Really? And what of the thousands upon thousands of people who actually Have lost their sons, daughters, brothers, sisters, mothers, fathers, husbands or wives in Iraq or Afghanistan who Haven’t changed their minds? What of American Gold Star Mothers, Inc. which wholeheartedly supports the efforts their children took part in? What about the Rest of Casey Sheehan’s family? The part that disowned Cindy because they believed she was dishonouring Casey’s memory?
They never seem to be remembered. Not by the media, nor by the politicians, and certainly not by the average person out there saying that we should surrender; that we should take a dive.
Nor do they remember that the vast majority of enlistees in the US Armed Forces come from military families. Their fathers or mothers and often their aunts or uncles have already served. And so have the families of most of these brave men and women’s spouses. They KNOW that their loved ones are risking their lives. The UNDERSTAND that this risk is inherent to the job. They ACCEPT that their loved ones could draw the short straw any second. They hope against hope that it won’t happen, but they don’t lie to themselves and say that it can’t.
And what of the men and women who lose their lives or receive crippling injuries? Everyone is quick to point out the survivors who change their minds. But no one remembers those who want to take their prosthetic limbs and their wheelchairs back Into the fight.
No one seems to remember that everyone who “signed up for the money or the college education” that wasn’t willing to be part of a wartime military is gone and has been for 5 or 6 years now. Their terms ended already. These heroes who serve today, who risk their lives today, and these heroes who enlist every day still… THEY know what they are getting into. And God knows their families do too.
Some here on Redstate may remember that my wife is currently serving. That she enlisted in the summer of ’06. They may recall that I made some small mention that she had orders to deploy.
Well, she hit the ground this week. I haven’t heard from her since she got on the plane on Sunday and I worry every minute. But even with her there, my mind has not changed on this war. Nor will it change if the worst is to happen. My patience with people who do not support victory will change. Has changed. But my opinion on Victory will not.
Some fights absolutely MUST be fought.
This is one of them.
ALL fights, once begun, MUST be Finished. Permanently. We didn’t start this one and our surrender won’t end it.
With all that is happening domestically, it is easy to forget that we are a NATION AT WAR. We can not afford to forget it. Not any more than we can afford to lose the domestic, political battle.
Let us provide for our soldiers an America they can be proud to come home to. And let us continue the fight that they may come home in Victory.
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God bless and keep you and your wife especially, Raven.
janis (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 9:08PM EST (link)And I thank you so much for writing this diary. It’s my hope that it goes to the top of the recommended list so everyone will see it and remember. With all that goes on daily in this country, some people definitely don’t remember there are brave souls overseas fighting this fight for freedom.
And there are way too many who would only use these wars and those who prosecute them for their own political gain. Those are the ones who should be on the front lines for a week at least. Let them see what their dithering and graceless lack of principle are costing.
You are both in my prayers along with all of our military. They are the best of us.
Folks, hoist this one to the top, please.
janis (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 9:24PM EST (link)People need to see this and to remember who’s fighting in our names. Not for political gain, but for freedom’s sake.
Glad to comply, janis
civil truth (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 9:33PM EST (link)The technical term is “selection bias” but Raven brings this to life here in a life-and-death matter.
Thank you Raven for your personal committment and for speaking out against the efforts to turn the nation against our troops by dishonest tactics, giving voice to the “silent majority”.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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janis (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 9:34PM EST (link)I hadn't made it halfway through this before I knew
TNJim (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 12:18AM EST (link)I would recommend it. The end just cemented that decision. God blees you and keep your wife safe, Raven. My prayers are with you both, your entire family, and all the men and women who serve, have served, and their families.
Same here. . . I was about 1/4 the way through. . .
RedWhite_and_Truth (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 10:07AM EST (link). . . before I decided to recommend it. Wholeheartedly.
You and she will be in our thoughts and prayers.
Achance (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 10:14PM EST (link)We know well that dull constant dread. Is it better when you don’t hear from them because they’re busy and happy? Or is it better when they’re calling all the time and bitching and griping because they’re bored and uncomfortable but safe? I never really answered that. But all’s well that ends! I know you’re career military and I admire and respect that, but I’m happy that my son is no longer a part of Comrade Obama’s army in Afghanistan.
In Vino Veritas
Raven, you and your wife are in our thoughts and...
penguin2 (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 10:21PM EST (link)prayers. I know you hear those words so many times, but please know they are heartfelt. What affects one of our community affects all. May her tour be completed safely.
Take care, penguin
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Thank you, everyone. For everything.
Raven (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 10:27PM EST (link)Achance, I can and have answered that question: Better they be calling all the time and griping. It is the soldier’s lot to complain and then just do it anyway. A happy soldier is always complaining. A soldier who Isn’t complaining (to Someone) needs to be checked up on.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
555 "Let us provide for our soldiers an America they can be proud to come home to."
ColdWarrior (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 10:28PM EST (link)I’ve said this before here. I believe I have an obligation to those who have fought and died while in uniform to try to exercise to the fullest extent those rights they preserved that allow me to engage in a political process that allows “we the people” to secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity under the Constitution. It’s up to us now to do our utmost to secure the Blessings of Liberty and we honor those who have worn the uniform by so doing. We dishonor them when we don’t. As Raven mentioned, we owe it to those now in the field of battle to do our utmost to make sure they come home to a functioning constitutional Republic as intended and conceived by the Framers.
Thank you, Raven, for sharing your thoughts.
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Raven (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 12:12AM EST (link)They deserve to come home in Victory. Not in either defeat as in Vietnam, nor in confusion as with Korea.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
Raven, you are absolutely correct. Thank you. nt
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Everything Art said Raven... nt
mbecker908 (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 10:36PM EST (link)I think deployment is easier on the Soldier...
Hooah_Mac (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 10:50PM EST (link)than on the family. The Soldier always knows what is going on. The family has too much time to think and worry. I’ll be praying for you Raven. I guess I missed it, is she in OIF or OEF?
I’ll be on the ground in Iraq in a few months, I think this is going to be an easy one in Baghdad, but there is still talk about us being diverted to Kabul. I guess it just depends on if the CinC wakes up and realizes there is a war in Afghanistan that should be addressed instead of on autopilot.
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You're all in our prayers Raven.
nessa (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 11:46PM EST (link)Thank you, for all your sacrifices.
I’ve always agreed with Mac, deployments seem to be harder on the families left behind. They never know, no matter how often you tell them, if you are truly safe or not and of course, always fear the worst.
Great diary, thanks.
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555+ Godspeed to your wife Raven.
Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Wednesday, October 28th at 11:56PM EST (link)Thank you and your wife.
To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher
Ditto's and God speed
makemyday (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 8:39AM EST (link)From one who was in the lost war.
When all else fails…….. Shoot!
“Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.” –American author Mark Twain (1835-1910)
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This was an excellent read!
Tom Anderson (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 9:46AM EST (link)Things become so much clearer when a personal side is shown. Unfortunately for most of the country, the only personal side that’s shown in the MSM is from those upset about the war.
Thanks to Raven for giving us the personal story from the side of a proud family member. Thoughts and prayers for you, your wife, and everyone else in your situation!
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Great post.
Cargosquid (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 9:56AM EST (link)This is SO true. May God watch over your family. While I did not see combat, I deployed twice to Kuwait with the Navy. Its much harder on the family back home. Make sure that you connect with the other families. Its invaluable for your mental health.
Please keep us informed and please let us know any contact info so that we may send her mail, if that’s okay.
I'd front this one
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 10:04AM EST (link)But the top of the Rec List will give it attention longer.
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Excellent points, your family is in my prayers.
TxTess (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 10:15AM EST (link)I agree with all you said except for the “everyone who “signed up for the money or the college education” these were very few of the enlistees I knew and I enlisted in 1989. The ones who did usually didn’t last through Basic muchless AIT. That’s what good DI’s and Drill Sgts. do. The rest were gone not long after Dessert Storm. Any one who has taken the oath since then and the majority prior to Dessert Storm knew the potential price to be paid. I am be very thankful that we do have a volunteer military.
Mrs. Raven, thank you for your service and I pray you come home to Raven safely and soon.
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After Desert Storm, things quieted down
Raven (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 11:39AM EST (link)Arguably, Most people who enlisted between ’94 and 2001 did so for the money or the schooling. That’s a big part of why the huge turnover. That’s why so many got OUT between ’01 and ’03. And that’s why the impossibly high re-up rate since ’05.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
I'm not sure where you got your numbers,
Uma Richie (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 12:03PM EST (link)but for the record, I joined in the period you specified for no other reason than to serve my country. I got out in the period you specified according to my husband’s and my long-established plan once we had children.
From my time as a recruiter
Raven (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 12:47PM EST (link)There are a lot of internal numbers Recruiters have access to to help them understand their markets and the national recruitment situation better. Recruiters have almost immediate access to the numbers for ALL of those morale surveys the DOD is always asking soldiers to fill out. And that’s really just the tip of the iceberg.
Getting out of recruiting cost me access to incredible amounts of information about the military. It’s really about the only regret I have of leaving that MOS.
“If you do not have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”
Luke 22:36
That was also during the Clinton "Drawdown"
nessa (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 2:00PM EST (link)a lot of good people got out, the ones I still know are very successful now, as they would have been had they stayed in. It was also very easy to weed out the weak, I’m pretty sure I held the ITB record for ELSs (Entry Level Separation) for a while anyway, as a Drill Sergeant my partner and I graduated 33 out of 58 once.
The bonuses and college money may be the deciding factor for many, but the majority still had a desire to serve before they checked on the bonuses etc. I almost changed my MOS for 20,000 very early in my career but I had already bought into the “two MOS” theory. For those of you who don’t know, that being that there are only two MOSs in the Army, there is the Infantry and those who support the Infantry.
i’m not trying to argue with you raven, just mentioning that there are factors that cannot be accounted for in surveys. I can’t ascribe the retention rates entirely to re-up bonuses either. Maybe its a romantic notion but the brotherhood of arms plays into it a great deal. There is nothing like a Soldier who feels he is actually doing something, actually making a difference, most importantly if he feels that difference is to his buddy on his left and right. How much money does it take to get an amputee to exit an aircraft while in flight and return to the scene of his life changing event? Money, if offered will be taken but if not offered, that young man will be right back there anyway.
“We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne’er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition:
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accursed they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin’s day.”
In early 07, after listening to the usual complaints about new soldiers just coming from basic, my division CSM pointed out that, unlike every senior NCO in the room, those new soldiers knew there was a war on when they enlisted, and they did it anyway. Money alone won’t buy that.
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That was the fact that I found so moving, nessa.
janis (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 2:16PM EST (link)For so many young people to sign up, knowing full well that they’d end up most likely in a hot zone, was such a heartening thing to witness, especially when this was happening while the left was going full-bore on the “babykilling murderers” sort of protest.
This was also when the ratings for Congress were in the tank, Bush wasn’t doing much better, but still viewed as better than Congress, the media was being viewed as pretty disgusting—but the military was consistently viewed at something like a 69% approval rating. President Bush was second to that, and Congress and the MSM were way down.
great column Raven and highly reccoed, bjt I must admit and am grateful that
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, October 30th at 4:53PM EST (link)I have rarely run into anyone declaring I’d change my tune in many years.
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Raven, when my son was considering joining up
janis (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 1:00PM EST (link)before 9/11 ever occurred, he listened to the Army recruiters, as well as the Navy and Air Force. He finally settled on the Marines as his choice because they never mentioned college or other benefits from joining. They just said, “When you finish boot, you’ll be a Marine. Because of that, all else is possible.”
He liked that viewpoint. It appealed to his patriotism. Unfortunately, a near-fatal wreck cost him the choice to join up.
God bless you, Raven.
Steph C (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 10:46AM EST (link)And keep your wife safe.
I was but a blue star mom and now not even that because my son is no longer in the service. I remember well the worry and the waiting and the TV being my best friend at the time. You will be in my prayers.
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Give 'em heck, Mrs. Raven!
Uma Richie (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 12:18PM EST (link)A military urban legend from early OEF/OIF rumored that Al Qaeda forces were afraid of getting killed by American women. The purported reason was that if an infidel woman killed a terrorist, he would be conveyed to a hell of 72 whores mocking his male inadequacy for eternity.
The myth was debunked, as it would have been irresponsible to allow our side to believe that the bad guys would flee if they saw chicks with guns, but it was a funny little story.
I’ll sleep better tonight knowing your wife has the watch. Thank you for living without her for a little while so the rest of us can breathe free.
beautiful diary and the comments
mom2oneson (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 12:49PM EST (link)are so humbling. Thank you Raven and DW and Everyone that posted for their and thier familiy members service.
A reco and a 'Thank You Mrs. Raven'....
From ME to You (Diary) Thursday, October 29th at 5:07PM EST (link)make sure you keep the home fires burning Raven!!
From ME to You, MSgt, USAF (Ret.)
My thanks and my recommend are little, but from the heart.
Pomme (Diary) Friday, October 30th at 2:15AM EST (link)Thank you, and everyone else, for your service, and sacrifice!
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Amen....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Friday, October 30th at 6:09AM EST (link)I will keep you and your wife in my prayers. Your steadfastness in the face of your worry is laudable. I love our military and work with Soldiers Angels but I will NEVER really know the emotions involved in watching someone who has your heart being deployed to a region that is a hellhole. I truly hope you will update us when you get your first contact and PLEASE continue to update us as you can because WE CARE what happens to you and your wife and to the members of the United States Military.
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I used to be opposed to
Warrior (Diary) Monday, November 2nd at 11:03AM EST (link)women serving in combat and maybe still am a little.
But since they are over there now, they have my full support, adulation, respect and prayers.
Godspeed!
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God bless all who serve and their families
madmonica Monday, November 2nd at 5:08PM EST (link)God bless you and your wife and thank her for her service.
I ran into this sort of idiocy when I wrote an editorial for our small town newspaper supporting the war in Iraq. I received nasty emails and letters and even had libs coming into the editorial section of the paper telling me how stupid I was and how I had no right to express the opinion I had. But the one that really made me angry was the woman who wrote “Obviously you have never had a loved one in harm’s way or you couldn’t possibly have the attitude you do.”
The funny thing about that was, my husband was about three months away from retiring after 20 years in the USAF. During the time he served I spent many a sleepless night wondering where he was, if he was safe and when he would come home. When my daughter was six weeks old, he deployed to Saudi Arabia leaving me alone in a foreign country to prepare the family for a move to Nevada. I wasn’t even cleared to drive when he left, but I went ahead and did what I needed to do and was proud to do it. On more than one occasion my husband deployed while I was facing major surgery (On one occasion it was thought I had uterine cancer and was facing a hysterectomy). On top of worrying about his safety, it was left to me to care for my children and my home and to reassure my mother in law and other family members that he would be safe. I did all this and more, priding myself in the fact that I did not rely on others to handle any problem I faced. It was the only thing I could give my husband, that peace of mind that I would handle life while he did his job.
I was lucky. My husband was Air Force, so he generally served out of the line of fire. However, that doesn’t mean he was guaranteed safe. But to assume because I supported the ouster of Saddam Hussein was because I had never worried over a loved one was the ultimate folly.
To this day I and my children are different people than we might have been because we spent months worrying over the safety of my husband. The funny thing is, rather than making us anti-war and anti-U.S., our experience has made us believe more strongly than ever how important a strong national defense and willingness to defend freedom around the world truly is.
I find, not always, but quite often, those who blather on about how only those who have no loved ones in danger could possibly support a war are ones who have NEVER experienced such worry themselves. Because generally, the more folks brag about something, the less likely they are to have been through it. The more indignant they are about something, the less they’ve generally dealt with whatever it is.
Our military and their families deserve every honor they’re given and more. I pray every day for God to give these men and women and their families the strength and courage they need to make it through the worry and pain. If some of these anti-war anti-military nuts would take some of the energy they spend saying nasty things about those who serve and put it toward supporting our military and their families, perhaps THEY would find their own minds changed instead of waiting for others to change to suit them.
Keep the change, I make my own hope.