Response to Rep. Doc Hastings: No More Time or Answers are Needed on Puerto Rico Status Bill; Now is the Time to Act and Pass H.R. 2499


The U.S. House of Representatives is scheduled to take up H.R. 2499, the Puerto Rico Democracy Act, this week. Some, namely Rep. Doc Hastings, are seeing problems with the legislation that simply do not exist or claim more time is needed to discuss the issue. No more time or answers are needed. Now is the time to act and pass H.R. 2499.

H.R. 2499 would provide terms for plebiscites that Puerto Rico could conduct to determine the preferences of Puerto Ricans regarding the territory’s political status. It should be noted that the territorial government can already conduct plebiscites on the issue — and has. In fact, all three previous, locally authorized plebiscites that have been conducted have been confused by impossible “commonwealth status” proposals. Under the current “commonwealth” proposal, Puerto Rico would be permanently empowered to nullify federal laws and court jurisdiction and enter into international agreements and organizations while being perpetually guaranteed all current federal programs, new federal economic concessions, and U.S. citizenship. What H.R. 2499 would most importantly do is clarify what the federal government regards as feasible statuses. Simply put, the Commonwealth status is a zero-sum game.

Statehood is not being forced upon anybody. When the Clinton and Bush White House Task Forces determined the current “commonwealth” status defined Puerto Rico as a territory under the territorial clause, many commonwealth supporters abandoned it and asked for feasible, non-territorial options. This bill doesn’t force any of these options on the people of Puerto Rico, and it first asks them whether they want to remain a commonwealth, which they are free to do under the principle of ‘government by consent.’

It is the duty of the federal and local governments to make sure there is still consent for the current relationship between Puerto Rico and the U.S. There’s nothing wrong with asking them to vote in reasonable intervals. Specifically since the current status has been declared as territorial, which in layman terms means “colonial”.

It’s worth noting that H.R. 2499 is not a Democrat initiative and, in fact, the Republican Party has historically been one of Puerto Rico’s strongest allies in its fight for statehood. Moreover, the majority of the members of the New Progressive Party (the political party in Puerto Rico that advocates for statehood and which, by the way, does not take its name from the Progressive movement and uses the word entirely different from liberals) are members of the Republican Party. Those on the left who are aware of this are afraid that Puerto Rico might become a red state if it were granted statehood.

It should also be noted that Puerto Ricans as U.S. citizens already have the ability to petition for statehood, just as they can petition for independence, and nationhood in free association with the U.S. — equal options under the bill.

The suggestion made by some that Puerto Rico would petition for statehood without majority support in the territory has absolutely no basis. Puerto Ricans certainly understand that statehood would not be granted without the petition of a very clear majority. And, in this regard, it should be noted that the bill would not provide for Puerto Rico’s status to change based on a majority for statehood — or independence, or nationhood in free association with the U.S. — or even for federal consideration of the issue in response to such a vote. It would simply determine whether Puerto Ricans support the current status — as is sometimes claimed — or want one of the alternatives.

If Puerto Ricans want one of the alternatives, the federal government could assess whether the support is substantial enough to take any action — which could, for example, consist of providing for further plebiscites to see if the support for a different status is substantial enough or sustained, determining terms for the preferred status and a transition to it relevant at the time, etc.

The argument that Puerto Rico could petition for statehood next year is misleading. In the first place, the bill would provide for plebiscites every eight years on the current status only. If a majority supports territory status, there would not be a vote on possible alternatives, just a vote eight years later on territory status. It is not clear that there would be a majority against territory status next year. Only if a majority opposes territory status in one of the eight year plebiscites would there be a vote on the three alternatives, including statehood.

Also, if there is a clear majority for statehood in a second-stage plebiscite and Puerto Ricans petition for the status, and statehood is granted, there would most certainly be a transition to the new status. Advocates of both statehood and independence in Puerto Rico recognize the need for a transition for economic reasons, including, in the case of statehood, the phase-in of equal taxation in addition to the certain phase-in of equal treatment in federal programs. Generally, a 10 year transition is expected. A bill that passed the House in 1998 under the leadership of House Natural Resources Committee Chairman Don Young (R-AK) and Speaker Newt Gingrich, that would have actually provided a multi-referendum process that could have resulted in statehood, provided for a 10-year transition.

So, if a clear majority of Puerto Ricans supports statehood and Congress subsequently enacts legislation that would ultimately grant it, it is highly unlikely that it would be structured to take effect immediately, without any transition.

What about other states’ seats in the House? The suggestion that Puerto Rican statehood would mean that other states expecting to gain 6-7 seats in the House would not get the seats is a pure ‘straw man.’ Puerto Rico’s population would justify six seats, but the size of the House is set by law. In most cases, it was increased after the admission of new states. The House would certainly want to add six seats if Puerto Rico became a state, rather than have those seats be taken away from other states.

Can a state have two official languages? Hawaii already does. English is already an official language in Puerto Rico, but not in 20 of the currently existing states. Several states use other languages in addition to English. For example, New Mexico uses Spanish in addition to English for all documents and services. This is nothing new. Puerto Rico is already a U.S. territory, populated by U.S. citizens, and fully subject to U.S. laws. Statehood would not add speakers of a language other than English to our national population. As a matter of fact, national English requirements already apply to Puerto Rico, as determined by the federal government.

Would statehood cost the federal government? Not the asserted billions of dollars a year. According to the Congressional Budget Office, the cost would have been $10 million a year under a bill approved by the Senate Energy and Natural Resources Committee and less than $5 million a year under an amendment passed by the Senate Finance Committee. This is because new revenue from equal taxation has to be counted in addition to the cost of equal treatment in federal programs.

Many questions unanswered? The Natural Resources Committee has held extensive hearings on the Puerto Rico Democracy Act bill. It also approved a version of the bill in the last Congress. The bill would implement a proposal of a White House task force named by President George W. Bush in a report on the issue after a serious study.

In sum, support for H.R. 2499 is well justified, and the legislation sets into motion a fair and reasonable mechanism for our fellow citizens on the island to clearly express their preferences for Puerto Rico’s future.

Cross-posted on RandyHaddock.com


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Again, I Support Puerto Rico Statehood (N/T)

BigGator5 (Diary) Monday, April 26th at 11:06PM EST (link)

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If Puerto Rico votes to go with statehood, I vote we cut them loose

JSobieski (Diary) Monday, April 26th at 11:42PM EST (link)

Adding another District of Columbia to the perpetual welfare roles is no way to preserve democracy here.

Rush touched on this today—we do not want to annex Central America, South America, or anywhere else that would represent a left-wing mindset.

My rules of the road for primary season.
Rule #1: Vote for YOUR first choice in the primaries
Rule #2: Vote for the R in the general.
Rule #3: Don’t let anyone convince you to violate Rule #1 or Rule #2
Rule #4: When in a center-right argument, reaffirm Rules #1-#3–it will help us all to get along better.
Rule #5: If you are using the language of the left, you probably aren’t furthering conservativism
Rule #6: The priority is issues first, candidates second, and supporters third. Nobody is bigger than the issues. Conversely, if you spend your time focusing on supporters, you are wasting everyone’s time.

STOP THE MADNESS!

A reduction in the rate of spending increases is NOT a cut!
In-state tuition for illegals is NOT amnesty!
Requiring someone to pay their medical bills is NOT an individual mandate!
Reducing tax rates is NOT a tax increase!

If only about 5 million of us conservatives would move there,

6eorge Jetson (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 12:19AM EST (link)

we could vote ourselves the independence and freedom that we are losing day by day.

 

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IJB Tuesday, April 27th at 12:51AM EST (link)

As it is, 50 states is probably too many.

When this country is bankrupt, there is *no* justification for adding a 51st.

 
 
 

Well, in retrospect neither Alaska nor Hawaii should have become states.

Achance (Diary) Monday, April 26th at 11:56PM EST (link)

Hawaii was a military base that was once very important but today, not so much. It has no economy other than that military base that is polically impossible to abandon, a shipping industry that can buy Congressmen, and a lot of Japanese tourists and hotels. It is a great tourist destination but so are lots of other islands in the Pacific.

Alaska had nothing like the wealth or infrastructure to become a state in ’59, and the whole thing with both Hawaii and Alaska was responding to Soviet Bloc pressure about colonialism. Alaska only became able to pay its own way after Prudhoe Bay came on in the ’70s. Many here at RedState like to carry on about how much the US spends here, but it spends mostly on its own things, not on the State of Alaska; huge military establishments, over a third of the land area in parks and preserves with all the infrastructure and staff that goes with that, ATC for the polar air routes, USCG protection and monitoring for the Great Circle shipping routes to the Orient and also for the richest fisheries in The World.

Nevertheless, a state senate district in most states is more populous than Alaska and Hawaii isn’t much bigger and is a whole lot less a part of traditional American culture and poltics than even Alaska. Hey, if PR doesn’t like the deal they have, let them go; we don’t need the unwanted naval base there anyway. The only reason to have them is the people that have their hooves in the trough. They can go if they don’t like their deal. Maybe they can get a better deal from Hugo or Fidel.

In Vino Veritas

Hawaii we can sell, but Alaska I'd keep.

hickorystick (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 1:06AM EST (link)

I looked up agriculture in my almanac during the last presidential election, and I was surprised to find Alaska leads in production in 4 of 9 principal crops in America. Besides oil, it is rich in timber, fisheries, minerals. It’s not Alaska’s fault America ties up her natural wealth with idiotic restrictions on industry. They would have no problem finding buyers for their products.
By the way, Ivory, fur, and whale meat, sales would do fine too. American sensitivities are clouding all our thinking. Alaska outproduces all of New England in useful things. New England writes the restrictions.

Yes, Alaska has strategic and economic value now,

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 1:30AM EST (link)

but in ’59, it only had strategic value. Guess that was the point. Now it has all sorts of economic value that the New Englanders want to lock up. But back in the day, Alaska was pretty worthless except as a place to put radar stations and runways.

In Vino Veritas

Yah, my Uncle worked on one of the radar stations

hickorystick (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 1:34AM EST (link)

he was an honry guy, don’t know what he said to get stationed there.

Those old DEW Line stations are still out there.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 1:58AM EST (link)

They look like the bleached bones on an ancient battlefield. When the US left, they just left, and left everything as it lay. You pull up off the airfield at St. Mary’s and you can see the DEW Line antenna at Bethel almost a hundred miles away; they’re big.

Being sent to Alaska was the ultimate threat in the ’50s and ’60s, and being sent to Adak was the double ultimate threat. Among the worst things I’ve ever done to fellow human beings was on the flight from Nome to Kotzebue and back to Anchorage. I’d been in The Bush long enough that they were all pretty and Alaska Airlines hadn’t gotten into NME and KTZ for four or five days. We went out to the airport and they said the plane would try to make it but they didn’t know when. We said we’d be at the Board of Trade Saloon and they said they’d call us. About mid-afternoon, they called and we were well in our cups. So, it’s me and four or five locals and a guy from Canadian Armed Forces who’d been at Tin City waaaay too long, and a whole bunch of blue haired tourists from back East wanting to get their “Arctic Circle Bump” flying up to Kotz. It’s an old ’37 Combi with the blank bulkhead separating the cargo and none of those people had ever seen anything like that. We do five, count’em, five, missed approaches to Kotz. Along the way we local reprobates get to talking about what a great job they’re doing of flying this airplane by remote control from Anchorage. We get the whole crowd of Blue-hairs absolutely convinced the plane is being flown by remote control. Anyway, they finally have to get the 1st Officer to crawl back through the cargo to show himself to the Blue-hairs. I’ll probably burn in Hell for it, but it was fun.

In Vino Veritas

Great story!

hickorystick (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 2:16AM EST (link)

and I think it was Adak. He was mad every time he talked about it. Sometimes you have to make up your own entertainment. The old geezers were so gullible, and would get so worked up, it could be way better than television.
The state of Washington, and a lot of volunteers, have done a great job fixing up the triangle forts protecting the Puget Sound. I have visited them with my kids. Fort Casey is a pre-WW1 gun emplacement. It has underground hardened ammo bunkers. The kids love to go through them with flashlights. As parents, ya grit your teeth with them climbing the ladders going to the top of the battery, and their are no railings, but they have so much fun, you have to let them go.
Fort Warden is just outside Port Townsend, and they have the complete base. You can rent an officers house, a entire barrack, or a yurt (don’t ask).

Much of the old Ft. Chilkat is still intact in Haines.

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 11:56AM EST (link)

Most of it is early 20th Century, nice looking, very government, wooden structures. It was going to rot and ruin and quite a bit was torn down, but there are still a lot of structures, most of which have been converted to B&Bs, tourist shops, etc. I haven’t been up there in years, so now that few cruise ships call there, I don’t know how they’re doing.

Haines got the double whammy; it doesn’t have the Gold Rush hook that Skayway has and the Cassiar Highway is an easier and more scenic route to Skagway than the AlCan to Whitehorse, YT and then the Haines Cutoff down to Haines. To make it worse, the State ferry system has started doing once or twice a month sailings across the Gulf of Alaska to Whitter and Homer, so if it will work with your schedule, you don’t have to go to Haines or Skagway and then drive the AlCan to get to interior Alaska. Haines still gets a good bit of tourist traffic but nothing like it did when it was the only game in town before the Cassiar was finished and the State bought the M/V Kennicott that is capable of safely and comfortably (sorta, sometimes) crossing the Gulf of Alaska. M/V Kennicott is a big, ocean-going ferry but even she’s been beaten back by storms in the Gulf a few times; it can be a rough, rough ride especially in winter.

There are still some of the old coastal forts here as well including a large one at Sitka but I don’t know what kind of shape it is in. Until very recently, everything from the WWII battles was pretty much left as it lay out in the Aleutians. There’ve been some cleanup efforts in recent years, but there’s still a lot of stuff out there but it is very difficult and expensive to get out there. As much as I’ve travelled in Alaska, I’ve never been past Dutch Harbor.

In Vino Veritas

Here is a link:

Achance (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 12:02PM EST (link)

http://www.nps.gov/akso/CR/AKRCultural/CulturalMain/2ndLevel/NHL/NHLFtSeward.htm

I guess it is technically the Fort William Seward National Historic Landmark these days.

In Vino Veritas

That is a beautiful building

hickorystick (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 10:25PM EST (link)

The carpenters did some really nice work. The engineers for these forts were always very solid. Having practised carpentry for 30 years, I can appreciate good work. Engineers can be difficult, but their handy when you want a good job done, and they can keep the cost cutters of your back.

Here’s the Fort Warden. They filmed an Officer and a Gentleman here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Worden

The beach is great. There is a large field where the parade ground was, that gets hot in spring and summer, but if you go to the beach on the other side of the battery, it is always a cool temperature.

http://richlandbombers.tripod.com/2000/2000-FortCasey-BigGun.jpg
this big gun elevates to fire, then lowers to reload. The originals were shipped to France, this one was found in the Philippines and brought to Fort Casey. Ironic, since the Philippines were acquired in the Spanish American War, the war for which the fort was built. Which brings us back to Puerto Rico.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Please.

Mayhem (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 12:37AM EST (link)

Puerto Rico is a heavily Democratic state. It has had only 2 GOP governors in its entire history, and only 1 Republican delegate to Congress in the last 35 years. This is the exact kind of environment that liberal policies incubate in. I am sure that the Democrats are just salivating at the fact that 4.5 million new dependents could be added to the voting roles, not to mention the electoral college. The Dems have been bleeding electoral votes out of the Rust Belt for decades. Adding Puerto Rico, which would instantly take the place of Mississippi as the poorest state in America, would be a godsend to any Dem presidential candidate.

And I don’t care what you say about the official language business. Most people on Puerto Rico do not speak fluent English. English may be “official” on paper, but when it comes to culture and society, Puerto Rico is firmly entrenched in Spanish. New Mexico may recognize Spanish as an official language, but the culture of the state is still majority English. New Mexicans may be bilingual, but for most of them, the primary language is still English. In Puerto Rico, the primary language is Spanish, with English as an addendum, if that.

Keep the status quo.

James Madison, Jim DeMint, Margaret Thatcher, Ronald Reagan… You get the picture.

 

I think this is a process question

hickorystick (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 2:00AM EST (link)

“The bottom line is that there are many questions that have not been answered, and there are a great many implications that aren’t being considered or even discussed. Congress owes it to the citizens of the 50 states and to the people of Puerto Rico to have a full, open debate and resolve these questions before voting on this bill. If this doesn’t happen, then Representatives should vote NO.”
Otherwise, a well thought out diary. I would want to see the numbers, and the reasons why PR would like to join. I would also like to see a draft of their proposed Constitution. Otherwise, I would be OK with this, if we kicked Michigan and CA back down to non-voting territories. At least until they prove they can manage their own affairs.

 

Seriously

Gandalf (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 5:26AM EST (link)

To bring this back to the realm of reality and seriousness (suggesting kicking States out of the Union is neither realistic nor serious)…

So if I’m understanding what you’ve written correctly, PR would have to wait almost 10 years before they are elligible for Statehood? Perhaps I’ve misread that. I just want to clarify.

Meanwhile, the only way I see PR becoming a State is if Democrats are convinced it would be solidly blue. Republicans will back it because we are generally decent people who believe in self-determination and the spread of the American Dream. Democrats will only back it if they are sure to pick up seats in the House/Senate/Electoral College

Just out of curiosity, are there any realistic plans to have PR enter the States WITH another State a la Hawaii/Alaska? Especially if we’re talking a 10 year waiting period, this is something that we should definitly be thinking about.

Christian Conservative First
Patriotic American Second
Dedicated Republican Third

Yes, the order is important.

 

How a national vote?

toadold Tuesday, April 27th at 9:56AM EST (link)

How about a national vote on whether or not the rest of the country wants Puerto Rico as a state or even as a commonwealth.

Frankly the place has been an economic drain. Time for them to go their own way.

 

Here in Alaska..

snowshooze (Diary) Tuesday, April 27th at 8:28PM EST (link)

Well, a lot of us wudda done it different and not became a State..
I don’t know as much as the grownups around here, but they claim we had a lot more control over our resources as a Territory,
I do know that dealing with the Federal Government is a thorn in our sides, and it seems that it is all uphill trying to develop our resources, put in roads, manage our own fish and wildlife and all the normal stuff we want to do in order to live a prosperous and free life.
Heaven knows we have the land and resources to do anything we should put our efforts to do, but we are stifled in so many ways.
We may well be a State, but in many ways we feel like we are treated as a Colony.
I would advise Puerto Rico to think long and hard before they sign up for the full monty, especially in light of the path the Federal Government has chosen to take in violating State Sovereignty, taxing and regulating the people of this country to oblivion and working seemingly against even our most basic rights.
Now I do not know how it all breaks, but if signing on as a State leads to further oversight and regulation by the Federal Government, they would have to be crazy to even consider it.

 

Tonight Glenn Beck will show what's really behind the innocent bill

bs61 Wednesday, April 28th at 5:31PM EST (link)

PR doesn’t need us to say what they vote on, so why the bill?

GB says that it will force state hood and the additional representatives and that they’re new president is progressive. Plus he’ll have PR news reports about what is going on.

The language of the vote in PR is the issue

bs61 Thursday, April 29th at 12:23AM EST (link)

This from Beck:

The Puerto Rico presidential platform states “The new progressive party adopts the Tennessee Plan as an additional strategy for the decolonization and the claim for the admission of Puerto Rico as the 51st State of the USA.

It also states that this will establish a process for the adoption of the ratification of the constitution of the PR and the election of two senators and 6 congressmen to appear before congress in DC to claim their seats.

Also, more in depth here: http://opposehr2499.com/