As the nation tries to repair the damage to its economy, the one proposed legislative remedy which would provide real financial transparency, HR 1207, a bill to Audit the Federal Reserve, has been gutted by Democratic Congressman Mel Watt.
Representative Ron Paul, the Texas Republican who has called for an end to the Federal Reserve, said legislation he introduced to audit monetary policy has been “gutted” while moving toward a possible vote in the Democratic-controlled House.
The bill, with 308 co-sponsors, has been stripped of provisions that would remove Fed exemptions from audits of transactions with foreign central banks, monetary policy deliberations, transactions made under the direction of the Federal Open Market Committee and communications between the Board, the reserve banks and staff, Paul said today…
Paul, a member of the House Financial Services Committee, said Mel Watt, a Democrat from North Carolina, has eliminated “just about everything” while preparing the legislation for formal consideration. Watt is chairman of the panel’s domestic monetary policy and technology subcommittee.
Watt has taken tens of thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from Federal Reserve primary dealers Citigroup, UBS, and Bank of America, the last of which is headquartered in his home district of Charlotte, North Carolina.
He has taken this political maneuver to enrich special interests despite the fact that the overwhelming majority of Americans and Congressman support having the central bank’s books opened.
Recent polls have shown that more than 75 percent of Americans support efforts to audit the Fed, something which my bill, HR 1207, the Federal Reserve Transparency Act, aims to do. HR 1207 has the support of 304 members of Congress, and the Senate version of the bill, S. 604, is supported by 31 U.S. senators.
Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke has embarked on an ambitious program of monetary expansion, more than doubling the monetary base to almost $1.9 trillion and doubling the size of its balance sheet to over $2 trillion, placing the American economy in a precarious position.
After shredding real reform, liberals are attempting to satisfy their thirst for power by ramming legislation to grow government through the House. This new measure which attempts to expand the central bank’s power is being sponsored by longtime Federal Reserve lackey Barney Frank, who chairs the Financial Services committee and receives political donations from a long list of fat-cat firms.
Using language that has got others into trouble before him, Timothy Geithner, US Treasury secretary, on Tuesday called financial regulatory reform “a just war” – words given substance by a legislative proposal unveiled the same day by Mr Geithner and Barney Frank, chairman of the House Financial Services Committee…
Instead of bringing accountability to the Federal Reserve, whose mismanagement and artificial suppression of interest rates caused the economy to collapse, Rep. Frank’s new law would expand the Fed’s power.
The landmark bill drawn up by the Treasury and the House financial services committee sets up a council of regulators charged with snuffing out systemic risks and gives the government and the Fed sweeping powers over financial companies at home and overseas.
Among those who gave Congressman Frank at least $10,000 during the last cycle are six elite New York Federal Reserve broker dealers including Bank of America, RBS, JPMorgan Chase, Goldman Sachs, Morgan Stanley, and Credit Suisse.
Frank’s approach is a standard one for political shills, who when faced with a problem caused by government attempt to blame it on others and grab more power.
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I'm so glad this bill was gutted
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 1:46PM EST (link)The last thing that we need during this recession is a group of populist political appointees with BAs in Poli. Sci. (but none in Economics) futzing with what is a very complex institution capable of doing both great harm and great good for the economy.
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What good has the Fed ever done
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 2:13PM EST (link)for anyone not on their payroll?
See economic expansion 1982-2006
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 2:15PM EST (link)Contrast with the regular and severe panics we had under the gold standard, including the Great Depression.
Fed-managed fiat money’s the best thing that ever happened to our economy since the boston tea party struck a blow for free trade.
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The Fed caused the Great Depression
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 2:36PM EST (link)through bad monetary policy.
Nice quote but unrelated to the modern Fed
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 2:44PM EST (link)We were under the gold standard back then.
And worse, the chairman of the NY Fed had just died. There was no leadership.
So are you saying you think we need stronger leadership in the Fed than we have now? Do you want to give Helicopter Ben even more power?
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Are you kidding?
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 3:10PM EST (link)Why don’t expand on how you think the Fed’s fiat system of artificial inflation and reduced personal purchasing power helps the average American?
Inflation?
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 3:36PM EST (link)Are you kidding?
We had a spurt of it when we got off the gold standard but we haven’t had a serious inflation threat in a quarter century.
You must be a Ronulan.
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You must be a troll
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 4:03PM EST (link)or else someone who is seriously misinformed. The dollar has lost 70% of its value in the last 10 years when priced against gold. Also, unemployment spiked at the same times (late 1970′s and today) which the price of gold peaked versus the dollar.
It is common sense that when the price of everyday goods such as food and energy go up that people make less purchases and the economy stagnates, resulting in job losses.
This chart is also relevant to your earlier reference in that gold did not pass its peak price in 1981of about $600 / oz until 2006, the same period during which there was an economic expansion.
Hey guys: A Ronulan is calling me a troll
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 4:06PM EST (link)Isn’t he precious?
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What, did you let your hair grow to troll like length?
rcov092 (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 4:42PM EST (link)Are you really short? How about the Ronulan is so seriously deluded he can’t recognize that blue sky is well …blue. Te Ron Paul movement has been seriously hijacked by Soros, Moveon and the rest of their ilk in an attempt to drive a wedge in the GOP.
Apparently, it was too easy for them to resist because of the blind ideology that guides the hard core over there.
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The funniest part is how they want a federal gold subsidy (nt)
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well the gold standard is a pipe dream but
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 5:56PM EST (link)the rest of his information is correct. I am so glad I converted a third of my savings to gold last summer. I wish I would have bought more.
Every week recently has earned me about $500 appreciation.
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His information is beside the point of his wacky crusade (nt)
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You are the one defending liberals
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 6:46PM EST (link)such as Mel Watt and Barney Frank.
you clearly have no substantive response
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 5:58PM EST (link)n/t
No I don't bother arguing substantively with Ronulans
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 6:13PM EST (link)You people always turn out to be bitter and insulting, so I save time and just mock you ASAP.
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No, you just have no argument to make
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 6:45PM EST (link)so you resort to nonsense.
Ok...
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 7:23PM EST (link)Inflation of the dollar relative to gold =/= inflation in general. The average American consumer has more spending power than ever before; food, for example, makes up less than 10% of the American consumer’s budget for the first time, on average.
I’d also point out that your quote of Milton Friedman, the man chiefly responsible for the Fed’s preeminence as a tool of fiscal policy, is out of context: his argument was that they did exactly the wrong thing, not that the Fed is useless as a whole. Friedman, in fact, did believe that some (not a lot, but some) inflation was good for the economy.
Back to the main point, why do you think that an audit of the Fed would be beneficial? The Fed would be an easy target for Dems, and they would have a field day “investigating” the Fed’s role in the crisis, all the while wasting our money.
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The Fed has us on the hook for $23.7 trillion
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 9:35PM EST (link)This comes out to $237,000 for every taxpayer. Do you not want to find out who stole a quarter of a million dollars from you?
$23.7 trillion (reference)
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 9:37PM EST (link)http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aY0tX8UysIaM
The Treasury is not the Fed, doofus (nt)
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Take out a dollar bill and read it, Neil
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 10:07PM EST (link)Does it say “Treasury Note” or “Federal Reserve Note”?
Quit commenting.
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 12:07PM EST (link)It’s embarrassing. Someone out there might read this site and decide that we aren’t sensible enough to make valid arguments.
The dollar bill also says E Pluribus Unum. Does it therefore mean that all these bills are only worth one?
Proper grammar saves lives.
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Let’s eat, Grandma.
Quick I need to remind you that private_citizen is a Ronulan
Richard Mullins (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 12:11PM EST (link)and thus reasonable dialog is impossible with him.
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I'm surprised they don't hold their fingers just so
itrytobenice (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 12:22PM EST (link)and say nano nano when they greet us.
Proper grammar saves lives.
Let’s eat Grandma.
Let’s eat, Grandma.
Yeah, I tried
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 1:05PM EST (link)hopefully, those who wander on to this diary will see that most of us can see the benefits of not having our monetary policy dictated by how many shiny rocks we have.
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My points are valid,
private_citizen (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 1:16PM EST (link)which is why most of the commenters are running away from them and hiding behind impotent labels.
Your points are laughable
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 1:25PM EST (link)And we’ve dealt with your type too many times before to really care what you think at this point.
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Trying to teach a pig to sing frustrates you and irritates the pig. nt
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Again you fail to make any counterpoints
private_citizen (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 1:29PM EST (link)and have run so far away from the subject of the diary that your comments have become totally irrelevant.
I don't care to make any counterponts
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 1:33PM EST (link)I mean you’re such a fool, you even surpass Lord Mister Doctor Representative Ron Paul himself. He calls for an end to “artificial” (as though money supplies are natural phenomena) inflation. You want to plunge us into a depression outright with instant deflation.
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Private_citizen...answer this one question
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 1:34PM EST (link)Is there enough gold to actually back a modern monetary system?
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Tsk tsk, he could just check my post on that (nt)
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good question
private_citizen (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 2:45PM EST (link)There is estimated to be 160,000 metric tons of above ground gold in the world, which at about 35,000 oz per ton and $1,000 per ounce comes to about $5.6 trillion.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/148612-unlocking-the-money-matrix-gold-price-suppression
How much of that is owned privately private_citizen? nt
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All but about 30,000 tons
private_citizen (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 3:03PM EST (link)is privately owned.
So private_citizen, is 30,000 tons enough to back a modern monetary system?...
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 3:06PM EST (link)Or do you intend to seize all that gold from the private owners in order to make your wishes come true?
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another good question
private_citizen (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 3:45PM EST (link)The prevailing libertarian philosophy is to repeal the government’s monopoly over legal tender, opening it up to private market competition from currencies made out of or backed by precious metals.
In addition, the Treasury could issue a competing currency to that of the Federal Reserve, either a “gold certificate” or “silver certificate”.
Thus, “Federal Reserve notes” or “dollars” would not themselves need to be backed by gold and the common misperception which you have stated, in terms of gold stocks vs dollars, would not be an impediment to reforming the monetary system in this manner.
The likely result would be that the inflation of “Federal Reserve notes” would continue to accelerate, but citizens such as you or I would be able to transition into a stable currency based on tangible assets.
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What would the value of gold, or precious metals, be? And how would it be stable?
Aaron Gardner (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 4:23PM EST (link)And isn’t a gold certificate from the Treasury, as opposed to the Fed, just changing the glass you pour your kool aid in?
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The price would be set by market participants
private_citizen (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 5:08PM EST (link)in an open auction. It would be stable because its value would be based upon a tangible asset. The amount of gold in the world expands at about 2% per year, which would limit real inflation to this level.
Private_citizen, so what happens when George Soros short sells in the open auction? nt
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Assuming that the Treasury is a part of the Fed (it isn't)
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 10:28PM EST (link)I don’t trust the government to carry out that task, especially in a Democrat-dominated Congress. The more likely outcome of such an investigation would be that the Dems turn it into a dog-and-pony show, blame our current woes on the Fed (which, to be fair, didn’t cover itself in glory under Alan Greenspan) and use it as an easy rally point for populists of all sorts. The witch hunts that would ensue would then discourage qualified professionals from seeking employment, and encourage firebrands who are drawn to controversy to seek employment there — not good if you want cautious, somber, and deliberate monetary policy.
In short, if there were an investigation, I would want it to investigate, not redefine the Fed’s job or go witch hunt on us.
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The Fed owns the Dems
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 10:59PM EST (link)Every single Republican in the House, without exception, has cosponsored HR 1207. Half of the Democrats, on the other hand, are fighting it tooth and nail. This is a historic opportunity to drive a wedge deep into the liberal coalition.
Just look at Obama’s top donors. Five of them are broker dealers for the Fed, who clearly control Barack’s puppet strings.
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/contrib.php?cycle=2008&cid=N00009638
The baaaaaaankers (nt)
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The monetary base needs to contract
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 10:02PM EST (link)The recession is the free market’s way of restoring balance to the economy by lowering price to meet demand. The Fed is preventing this correction and worsening the problem. They will continue to do so as they operate in secret.
Are you familiar with what happened to the Weimar Republic, or Zimbabwe? Is there any reason it can’t occur here?
You're a loony
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 10:09PM EST (link)Only someone entirely detached from history and common sense would be calling for deflation.
Your ideas are wrong and as dangerous to America as anything put forth by Barack Obama. That’s why your candidate in the primaries last year was not only a miserable failure, but a near universal joke by the end.
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You're a universal joke
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 10:28PM EST (link)Learn how to read a chart. I’m done with you.
Ah come on private_citizen, just spill the beans already...tell us who is really responsible, just whisper it in my ear. nt
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I'm taking my toys and going home.
ceili_dancer (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 2:06PM EST (link)n/t
Wow, that's a bad idea
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 10:15PM EST (link)Listen, I don’t know where you’re getting your info, and I don’t mean to come off as uncivil or condescending, but deflation is not a magical elixir to fix recessions. In fact, deflation discourages spending. That’s basic macroeconomics and right now, the problem seems to be depressed consumer spending (which is not, in fact, a bad thing overall — Americans have been spending beyond their means for several years now). That said, squashing consumer spending even flatter than it is isn’t the solution to our fiscal woes.
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The idea is to reduce government spending,
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 10:38PM EST (link)which actually encourages growth in the private sector. Deflation is a temporary measure to rebalance the market. This is how Reagan and Volcker had economic success in the 80′s.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/commandingheights/shared/minitext/int_miltonfriedman.html
We could to a much better job of reducing government spending
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 10:51PM EST (link)if we start electing conservative candidates to congress(I’m sure by your words that you’re opposed to that). I think you might want to come out of your populous cave and see the world.
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i support conservatives,
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 11:06PM EST (link)especially those in the small government mold.
Ok, but why don't get rid of the populous shick
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 11:16PM EST (link)really be done with the populism that brought to this point and given us lots of bad things over the years(I’m sure if you thought about it you’d know what they are). If you like being a follower of Congressman Pork(you might know him as Ron Paul), then their is no hope of you. Honestly populism has gotten us in a world of trouble and we don’t need to correct it with more populism.
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I agree that populism can be dangerous
private_citizen (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 11:20PM EST (link)when it is used in place of substantive policy. Do you consider any of the leading 2012 candidates, such as Huckabee or Palin, to be populist?
But if you would listen you notice the that's what your advocating
Richard Mullins (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 12:13AM EST (link)and thus you don’t seem understand. If you did, you rethink things first. I don’t want to leave monetary policy in the hands of you or others that think in the same vane as you do.
If you come to your senses, I’m here to listen.
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Less govt. spending = good
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 11:12PM EST (link)For several reasons, both economic and non. Contractionary monetary policy is also beneficial during hyperinflation, or “stagflation”. That’s not what is happening at the present, and again I wonder how you think that an audit would do anything to correct this circumstance if that were the case: it’s certainly not how Reagan and Volcker did! Government spending is what we should concentrate on, not a doomed-to-failure quest to audit the Fed, which would ultimately play into Democrat hands by providing them with a scapegoat.
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Free Market Money
WilliamR Thursday, November 5th at 1:48PM EST (link)The 1913 dollar is only worth four cents today. Tell us about the FED and Fiat money??
Free market money. End legal tender laws and let Gold and Silver circulate in the economy. People would have a choice of what kind of money they wanted to use. Why should the government have a monopoly on money??
Why should it have a monopoly on force? nt
aesthete (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 2:11PM EST (link)The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton
Government Monopoly
WilliamR Thursday, November 5th at 2:10PM EST (link)Fed Managed fiat money??
So you’re in favor of a government monopoly and a centrally planned economy.
Why should the government have a monopoly on what kind of money the American people use?? As a conservative I think the FREE MARKET should be allowed to work. The market delivers better health care, housing, computers cars, food, clothing, gold clubs etc etc. So why not let the Free market pick what kind of money the average American wants to use. Or as the late great Henry Hazlitt wrote 32 years ago in Ronald Reagan’s favorite magazine The Freeman,
Free Choice of Currencies
http://www.thefreemanonline.org/featured/free-choice-of-currencies/
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Right now I'm put off with Populous movements
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 6:56PM EST (link)because Populism has got us right where we are now, stuck. Populism has given us Obama and might give us much worse. Right now, I want an anti-populous President in 2012. If it does happen soon, we might all be doomed.
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Same here
aesthete (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 7:12PM EST (link)Populism is fine for when you need pithy slogans or witticisms to toss your enemy’s way, but since it essentially relies on man’s emotions, it is doomed to not be capable of critical thinking, and as such, isn’t suited for the somber task of governance, which you can’t obviate through populist rage. I wish that Fred Thompson had been our Calvin Coolidge, or that Rudy had been our Winston Churchill. Alas, it wasn’t to be, and at this point, I’m hoping that the right mix of populist and pragmatic emerges.
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I'm sure we will figure it out in the coming years
Richard Mullins (Diary) Wednesday, November 4th at 10:54PM EST (link)we still have well over 2 years to go and that’s plenty of time to find the anti-populous candidate(our generation’s Silent Cal).
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By the way, Richard Mullins
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 10:22AM EST (link)It’s populist, not populous.
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Well thanks for correcting Neil
Richard Mullins (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 10:37AM EST (link)I sometimes get those mixed up, mostly because some are leaders of a populous movement.
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Yeah, just a little thing
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 10:45AM EST (link)But this way a troll can’t bug you about it later.
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I really don't worry about trolls
Richard Mullins (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 10:53AM EST (link)I vaporize them on contact. It seems to be the best way to deal with things. BTW, private_citizen seems sort of trollish in responses. I give my best shot but somehow every time he seems to go on another tangent.
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
He's a Ronulan
Neil Stevens (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 10:59AM EST (link)They’re flighty.
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Richard Mullins (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 11:04AM EST (link)oh wait, that was klinglons. Never mind. /snark off
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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.
Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.
If you genuinely misinterpreted the diary
private_citizen (Diary) Thursday, November 5th at 1:23PM EST (link)then i apologize for calling you a troll. The point I was making is that the central bank should not be given additional regulatory power, which it is seeking. Your question about needing stronger leadership at the Fed seemed to ignore this implicit point and really doesn’t address the question posed which is whether the regulatory structure should be expanded.