One can’t help but notice the degradation of the law enforcement profession by liberals. In the past year, the profession had to endure and overcome the criticisms of “acting stupidly” in Cambridge, Massachusetts before all of the facts were in. The “Instant healing elixir” of beer was applied, because you know how much police officers love beer and oh I suppose donuts too! Such insulting stereotypes are continually being borne by the men and women of law enforcement on a daily basis.
Regardless of ethnicity, gender, and other identifiers, it seems all of the profession is “lumped into one tidy package” of a group to be attacked by liberals when something goes wrong. In a span of over 40 years the thanks I received (and I will tell you I never entered the profession for thanks) were vastly outnumbered by the complaints and criticisms of politicians, judges, lawyers, and many citizens for what I believed was “just doing my job”.
I believed I was a member of one of the finest professions in the United States, law enforcement and to this day believe I served the citizens who employed me very well and to the best of my ability. I believed then as I do now that it is a great profession responsible for fairly and impartially ascertaining facts which either do or do not constitute violations of American law. I proficiently became familiar with the United States Constitution and all of its amendments and endured what seemed like annual changes to it by a Supreme Court which believed in tightening control of the law enforcement profession to curb, curtail and eliminate any and all abuses by it, whether perceived or genuine.
Often, I was convinced such changes were not necessary, but were solely ordered by mistakes made by my fellow officers in a singular case. In effect, all of law enforcement pays for the mistakes of a few. Media accounts are comprehensive and exhaustive of police misconduct, yet the taking of a law enforcement officer’s life, the “ultimate sacrifice” lasted until their funeral. Usually the trials of those responsible received media attention only if police misconduct was alleged and rarely, if ever have I ever heard of the murder of a law enforcement officer as a “hate crime” which it often is.
And now the State of Arizona has enacted a law aimed at removing immigrants who are in Arizona UNLAWFULLY. Please notice I did not say UNDOCUMENTED because to me that means they are here legally and forgot their legal papers at home. It is so convenient to say UNDOCUMENTED rather than ILLEGAL or UNLAWFUL. Society hires its’ law enforcement to enforce the laws it enacts and for the most part, the professional men and women of law enforcement do so to the best of their ability at great risk to their lives on a daily basis. Yet liberals and many members of minority classes begin to do what they reportedly trying to eliminate. They ASSUME the law enforcement profession will engage in UNLAWFUL PROFILING and STEREOTYPING in the enforcement of the law, although American law specifically prohibits it.
How sad liberals and others degrade themselves to that level when they in fact are STEREOTYPING and PROFILING the entire law enforcement profession, rather than placing their trust and the public confidence in them to do the job and enforce the laws they were hired to. Officers endure this scrutiny 24/7 while trying to do the right thing. Officers are taught to conduct themselves as though they are being videotaped in perpetuity. The question which begs to be answered is what profession demands the same type of accountability? Any members of the legal and/or political professions wish to convince me they are under the same scrutiny? (Maybe just maybe now it is starting)
I’m sure liberals feel quite assured the law enforcement profession enjoys their chance meeting each day with the community they serve, when a single officer walks up to a motor vehicle containing a number of visible people, yet have one or more who might be crouched down or even in the trunk. And don’t forget the thrill of entering a poorly lit street or alley or any yard or park or dealing with someone who doesn’t speak the officer’s language or has no identification whatsoever upon them. It is always a pleasure to simply assume the name and date of birth being supplied is accurate and truthful and to later discover it was not and a criminal was left on “the street”.
As I stated previously, officers for the most part do not do the jobs you ask them to do for your thanks, but they do desire you let them do the job and enforce the laws this society has enacted, without the fear they will be automatically accused of “acting stupidly”, or worse STEREOTYPING and PROFILING when doing their job. There is enough PROFILING of the law enforcement profession right about now.
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pirate55- From what you wrote
Scope (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 2:27PM EST (link)and how you wrote it, it is obvious that you were a tremendous asset to the law enforcement profession. Though you have not asked for thanks, Thank You for your service sir.
You are so correct in that the Progressives have no respect for any law enforcement, by anyone. Look at the appointment of Van Jones as one of Obama’s former Czars. He supported a cop killer currently serving life for that murder, can’t remember his strange name right now. I have no doubt that Van Jones, and those like him, Whoppi Goldberg for example, have called police officers “pigs” at one time or another.
You are entirely correct in that the entire law enforcement profession is now being PROFILED. Hopefully, with the upcoming elections, help is on the way sir.
From Philadelphia
pirate55 (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 8:09PM EST (link)At the risk of not being politically correct I will not attempt to spell out his name but interestingly I believe they even tried to name a street somewhere for him.
What are the practical applications in AZ?
Common_Cents (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 3:04PM EST (link)Do you have to prove citizenship when you get a drivers license? I believe foreigners here temporarily can even get drivers licenses and remember a dust up about people not wanting those licenses to expire at the same time as their visa.
What person who gets pulled over for a traffic violation doesn’t have to have their license with them? Try checking in to a hotel w/out your id.
I don’t understand the whackos who are protesting this. What specific problems do they really have?
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
You have to provide a US birth certificate or
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 3:45PM EST (link)proof of legal immigration status to get an AZ state ID or DL. If you move from another state and have a legal ID from that state, you still have to provide proof.
In Arizona – for a long time and having nothing to do with 1070 – it is a Class 6 misdemeanor to not have a legal photo id on your person. If you are stopped and don’t have a license or id you can be arrested. In Phoenix, if you mouth off to a cop (or a County Sheriff) and don’t have an ID, you’re going to jail. Also, in every country in AZ – again for a long time, nothing recent – as soon as you are booked into a county jail ICE runs your immigration status.
How often
SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 4:29PM EST (link)mbecker
How often does a traffic stop and a driver without ID, registration and proof of insurance result in a trip to jail?
Out here in CA land, the police don’t do much of that, even at drunk driving checkpoints. I’m guess here, but in light of AZ SB 1070 there will be even less now due to the FUD factor surrounding the issue of illegal immigration. I’m guessing there will reminders at the LAPD roll calls about LAPD’s Special Order 40…sigh.
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
No ID, registration, proof of insurance...
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 5:00PM EST (link)if your license is suspended your car is impounded on the spot (or whoever’s car you happen to be driving). If your license is suspended, in all likelihood (better than half the time is my guess) there’s a bench warrant out for failure-to-appear. In that case you go to jail. Insurance is almost always registered with MVD so while they may not know if you’ve got it they will know if your plates have been suspended if it’s been canceled.
Honestly, I’ll be pretty surprised if there’s much in the way of changed police procedures – with some bad exceptions for individual cops. What most people don’t get – at least I’m pretty sure they don’t – is that roughly one-third of the adults in Arizona are Hispanic. Most aren’t illegal. “Driving while Brown” in Arizona is just about like “Driving while White” in most of the east. And actually, the worst hassle I ever got from cops was in Massachusetts.
One of the reasons that I don’t expect much change with reference to traffic stops is that, at least in Maricopa County, a traffic stop is typically treated as reason to find a way to make an arrest. Last I saw a stat – and it’s been a while – over 50% of arrests result from traffic stops.
So, in reality
Common_Cents (Diary) Monday, May 3rd at 10:58AM EST (link)When you get stopped, you will have to produce a drivers license just like anyone else?
Is this what the left and their useful idiots are whining about?
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
This time it's Hillary running her pie hole
Scope (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 3:55PM EST (link)and pirate55, I am so glad that you put the profiling blame exactly where it belongs- on the Progressives.
According to the screecher, if you are visiting Arizona from another state, like New York for example, and you have an accent, you may get pulled over in Arizona by the police-
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/95481-clinton-no-doubt-arizonas-immigration-law-invites-profiling
A message to Cruella- If you are from New York, or any other state, and you have an accent, you may get pulled over because of breaking the law, something that you and your progressives have no time for. If you are driving a rented car in Arizona, and you have an accent, I guess you think the police have super powers to know you are from out of state, and that you have an accent. H. Clinton has been a disaster and a failure as a Secretary of State, and every time she opens her mouth, she proves she was no more qualified for that 3 AM call than Obama was.
In fact, there are a number of states that do not
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 4:08PM EST (link)proof of citizenship or legal residency to get a driver’s license or state id. I don’t know about NY state.
Frankly, get pulled over in Phoenix driving a car registered in a state that doesn’t require proof of legal residency and have a DL from that state AND don’t handle English well… you’re probably going to get to talk to ICE after you’re booked at Maricopa County Jail.
Now then, were you say, driving a rental car and booked into a local hotel you’d likely have no problem.
In NJ, what I consider one of the worst
Scope (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 5:02PM EST (link)leftist government states under corzine, you had to have a state issued birth certificate, and I forget how many other forms of ID.
My hubby and I had a brain freeze, and moved back their for a short stint a few years ago, because of in-law family reasons. They were ultra tough on getting DL’s.
My husband was refused a license at DMV. He had to call a certain number to find out why. He was told that his license was suspended because of non-payment of fines and traffic tickets, and because he refused to show up in court. The offense happened long after we left NJ, and long before we arrived back in the state. We turned in our NJ licenses in our newly adopted state, but the info never made it back to NJ. Found out in court, and from the main DMV office in Trenton, the person who moved into the house we vacated, forged my husbands signature on a license renewal form sent to that address. He had already lost his license because of several DUI’s. I refused to pay legal costs to prove he was not at fault. I gathered every piece of info I could get, including a copy of the forged renewal, make, model and year of car involved in traffic stop, and filed a complaint with the local police against the real offender. I even got the guy who called in and reported the traffic offense as a citizen arrest, to come to court to identify my husband as not the perp. This was a number of years after the arrest. Low and behold, the guy was a DMV higher level employee. It took 3 court appearances, but the only monetary loss was lost wages for court appearances. He was proven not guilty. The guilty party, upon questioning by the local police, was in a rehab program for some time, and we let it go at that. The local police were instrumental in helping to guide us to justice.
Heh. And as nasty as that was Scope
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 5:26PM EST (link)I think you made out pretty well. I’m frankly surprised the local police would even return your calls without a lawyer. Glad it worked out.
Oh, and in AZ, your hubby would have gotten
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 5:27PM EST (link)arrested.
No mbecker, my hubby would not have been arrested
Scope (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 8:20PM EST (link)he was guilty of no crimes. As I laid out in my story, there already was someone arrested. My husband, with my assistance, laid out the facts of his innocents. It was an ordeal, but, justice did prevail. I would find it hard to believe that Arizona law enforcement officials would have found him guilty, without any facts, let alone the courts that decided on the basis of facts. I guess I am just nieve in believing in the majority of our law enforcement officials being on the right side of the law. You seem to believe that law enforcement is as corrupt as well as, the Obama admin. I refuse to believe that law enforcement is more or as corrupt as the Progressives believe it to be. There are no professions that don’t have the bad apples rotting the basket, and, that goes for everything under the sun.
Scope, you don't have to be guilty of anything to get arrested.
Achance (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 8:29PM EST (link)You don’t even have to be guilty of anything to get convicted. And a jury trial is a contest before twelve morons with driver’s licenses to determine who has the best lawyer. And, yes, in the big Blue cities and the Blue states, the cops are just as corrupt as the Democrat politicians. It ain’t just a bad apple or two, it is most of the barrel.
In Vino Veritas
Well Achance
pirate55 (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 8:37PM EST (link)Let’s just say I believe your statement was poorly researched and you lack even a scintilla of factual evidence to support your barrel claim. But in this great country one can make foolish statements which again seem stereotypical and evidence of unnecessary profiling. That being said you have a nice day!
Well, pirate55, you lack even a scintilla of evidence
Achance (Diary) Sunday, May 2nd at 11:50PM EST (link)of what I know. In fact, you don’t know sh*t about me or what I know. I’ve dealt with a bazillion cop and CO grievances and their labor agreements. Before I retired, I knew pretty much every director of labor relations in the unionized states. So, I think I know a little bit about cops in Blue/unionized states and I don’t withdraw a word I said. That being said, I don’t give a damn about what kind of day you have.
In Vino Veritas
No Response is Required......
pirate55 (Diary) Monday, May 3rd at 7:30AM EST (link)………by me. You seem to have said all that needs to be said. I know you don’t care but still try to have a nice day and it was a pleasure exchanging information with you.
This is a great thread!
mikerazar (Diary) Monday, May 3rd at 12:03PM EST (link)Being conservative requires strict scrutiny of all government actions. If we can blast the President and Congress, we can’t simply support every decision made a cop on the beat.
I find Achance’s post on juries and convictions appalling. But he speaks the truth. Scope’s NJ story is not unusual. Unless you can afford to fight all the way to SCOTUS, you are at the mercy of every petty official in the chain of jurisdiction. And SCOTUS is no bargain either.
But Pirate is also correct. It doesn’t take many bad cops, DAs, or judges to undermine the justice system. But if the President can ignore his oath of office with impunity, what do you expect? There is scant evidence on either side of their disagreement. Are most people in law enforcement good apples or bad apples? Nobody knows for sure. But I can tell you that if you are fortunate enough to be helped by a good one, you would never try to dismiss the whole profession. If you spent ten years in prison for a crime you didn’t commit, you might feel differently.
Eternal vigilance—it never goes out of style.
We have a nation to save, people.
Conservative Candor
pirate55 (Diary) Monday, May 3rd at 2:16PM EST (link)First I applaud your recognition of the bigger picture. Scrutiny by conservatives is long overdue, but the law enforcement profession itself has been scrutinized every which way. To blanket an entire profession as corrupt just because the state is “blue” seems a bit harsh. No one including me would expect you would support every decision a cop makes on the street yet we have a collective society who has an unreasonable expectation of young officers, sometimes poorly trained, sometimes not, and sometimes clueless and ill suited for the profession. That said, there are a vast majority which I feel pay the cost for the mistakes of a smaller group.
Whether the mistake is intentional or not is key now or in the future. Honest mistakes will occur, and dishonest ones should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of law as our Constitution MUST hold law enforcement to a higher standard and prevent any and all ABUSE of power. It is the difference which must be scrutinized and discerned as we move forward. And I do stress move forward. I am confident AChance is passionate in his conservatism as I am in mine and I do respect his viewpoint which I have heard many times over. I close by saying this…….
When I lectured I would tell the story of 3 P’s. The people, the police, and the politicians and go on to state the P which does not belong is the last one, politician. Politicians should practice restraint in any attempt to control law enforcement for it is in this “swamp” that the corruptions spoken about can occur. When it occurs go after it with passion and resolve.
I encourage all conservatives to scrutinize law enforcement yet not prejudge every member and I encourage conservatives to be proactive, not reactive to the line of defense between our American society and chaos.