On some positions a coward has asked the question is it safe? Expediency asks the question, is it politic? Vanity asks the question, is it popular? But conscience asks the question is it right? And there come a time when one must take a position that is neither safe nor politic nor popular but he must take it because conscience tells him it is right.
The hottest place in Hell is reserved for those who remain neutral in times of great moral conflict.
A genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus.
Martin Luther King, Jr.
I think the responsibility that the Democrats have may rest more in resisting any efforts by Republicans in the Congress or by me when I was president, to put some standards and tighten up a little on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Bill Clinton
There are 31 House Democrats and 27 House Republicans who voted No on the bill on Monday and voted Yes on the bill on Friday. So what changed between Monday and Friday? A lot of pork was piled into this bill. David Freddoso wrote an excellent piece at NRO about these changes. An excerpt:
Some conservatives, as fans of lower taxes, prefer that the special tax-credit provisions — such as the benefit this bill confers upon wooden-arrow-makers — not be called “earmarks.” “Calling tax cuts ‘earmarks’ is very unhelpful and completely wrong from a fiscal conservative perspective,” reads a memo from Ryan Ellis of Americans for Tax Reform. “There is no such thing as a ‘tax earmark.’ ”
Indeed, narrow, targeted tax cuts are not the same as handouts of federal money. But if they are not “earmarks,” the tax advantages for wooden arrows and other special interests are still pernicious. At best, they are an attempt by the federal government to manipulate people’s behavior through the tax code. At worst, they are a successful attempt by various special interests to feather their nests by attaching tax wish-lists to must-pass legislation.
I don’t claim any expertise on predicting how people are going to vote, but I am going to print out the list below to see if any of these incumbents lose their election this time around. I sense a loathing and distrust for current occupants of Congress and the White House. There is a Washington-speak that is spoken to us out in the hinterlands, and we are tired of hearing it.
Arizona
Shadegg (R-AZ-3)
Pastor (D-AZ-4)
Mitchell (D-AZ-5)
Giffords (D-AZ-8)
California
Thompson, M. (D-CA-1)
Woolsey (D-CA-6)
Lee (D-CA-9)
Schiff (D-CA-29)
Solis (D-CA-32)
Watson (D-CA-33)
Baca (D-CA-43)
Florida
Buchanan (R-FL-13)
Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL-18)
Georgia
Lewis, John (D-GA-5)
Scott, D. (D-GA-13)
Hawaii
Abercrombie (D-HI-1)
Hirono (D-HI-2)
Illinois
Rush (D-IL-1)
Jackson, J. (D-IL-2)
Biggert (R-IL-13)
Indiana
Carson, A. (D-IN-7)
Iowa
Braley (D-IA-1)
Kentucky
Yarmuth (D-KY-3)
Louisiana
Alexander, R. (R-LA-5)
Boustany (R-LA-7)
Maryland
Edwards, D. (D-MD-4)
Cummings (D-MD-7)
Massachussetts
Tierney (D-MA-6)
Michigan
Hoekstra (R-MI-2)
Kilpatrick (D-MI-13)
Knollenberg (R-MI-9)
Minnesota
Ramstad (R-MN-3)
Missouri
Cleaver (D-MO-5)
Nebraska
Terry (R-NE-2)
Nevada
Berkley (D-NV-1)
New Jersey
Pascrell (D-NJ-8)
Frelinghuysen (R-NJ-11)
New York
Kuhl (R-NY-29)
North Carolina
Coble (R-NC-6)
Myrick (R-NC-9)
Ohio
Schmidt (R-OH-2)
Tiberi (R-OH-12)
Sutton (D-OH-13)
Oklahoma
Sullivan (R-OK-1)
Fallin (R-OK-5)
Oregon
Wu (D-OR-1)
Pennsylvania
Gerlach (R-PA-6)
Shuster (R-PA-9)
Dent (R-PA-15)
South Carolina
Barrett (R-SC-3)
Tennessee
Wamp (R-TN-3)
Texas
Green, A. (D-TX-9)
Conaway (R-TX-11)
Thornberry (R-TX-13)
Jackson Lee (D-TX-18)
Ortiz (D-TX-27)
Cuellar (D-TX-28)
Vermont
Welch (D-VT-AL)

Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
This is why I like living in Texas
izoneguy (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 10:00AM EST (link)Rep. Hensarling: “Why I opposed the bailout”
U.S. Rep. Jeb Hensarling, R-Dallas, issued a statement Monday after voting “nay” to U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson’s $700 billion Wall Street bailout package.
Rep. Hensarling said while he sees it as a top responsibility to protect the economy and citizens from the credit crisis that is hurting today’s capital markets, he in good conscience could not support the legislation put up for vote on Monday.
“Inaction is not an option, and I stand ready to work for as long as it takes to do this right,” Hensarling said in a press release. “However, I have made clear from the beginning that the Paulson plan had fundamental flaws that were unacceptable to the American people and should not have been the only alternative considered by this Congress.”
Hensarling said he felt the initiative was rushed and did not take the time to adequately explore other alternatives.
“In my heart and in my mind, I believe that this plan was fraught with unintended consequences, would force generations of taxpayers to pick up the tab for Wall Street losses and could permanently and fundamentally change the role of government in the American free enterprise system,” Hensarling added. “Once the government socializes losses, it will soon socialize profits. If we lose our ability to fail, we will soon lose our ability to succeed. If we bail out risky behavior, we will soon see even riskier behavior.”
Looking ahead, Hensarling says it’s back to the drawing board for legislators.
“There are alternatives that myself and others have offered that must now be discussed and considered as we work to solve this crisis in a way that the American people support. At this moment, it still remains more important for Congress to do it right than to do it fast,” Hensarling concluded.
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
Neutrality.
NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 10:18AM EST (link)Referring to one of your quotes.
I don’t see these people being neutral if they voted for both bills (even if they changed their vote from one to the other).
I was for the bailout. Does that make me morally neutral? You can disagree with how people voted, or what position they took, but I think you go too far here.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
I think you misunderstand my intent
pilgrim (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 10:24AM EST (link)I put that quote in there by MLK to make a point that there is no neutral safe ground in blaming both Republicans and Democrats equally on this issue. It was intended as a leadin to the quote by Bill Clinton. The Democrats who blocked regulation of Fannie and Freddie must be held accountable.
I'm getting really tired of this "pork" meme
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 10:25AM EST (link)I even had to explain the consitution to my 80 year old mother at dinner last night.
It is really annoying having to refute stupid columns written by people like Fredosso who ought to know better.
You know, I really do “get” why people dislike the bailout. And I even understand why people aren’t going to let it go.
But continuing to lie about how it had “Pork” added to it, isn’t helping your cause, and is not helping us win this election.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
Wool Research
Pomme (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 10:28AM EST (link)Just because it was a sheep, doesn’t mean it isn’t pork.
Not everything people gripe about is, I agree. But to say there was no pork is just as bas as saying it all was.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views” William F Buckley Jr.
so what are you sayin, Dave? These Reps have No 'splainin' to do? n/t
pilgrim (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 10:35AM EST (link).
On this we agree.
NightTwister (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 10:40AM EST (link)The Democrats most certainly own this issue because they created it, but the Republicans could’ve done more to force a response when they knew for a long time a meltdown was inevitable.
No one in Government gets a free ride on this (including the White House), but I think it was wrong to let Rome burn and make the people who could shoulder it the least take the biggest hit.
The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill
The pork actually contains the only good part of the POS bill.
MrSandman (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 10:48AM EST (link)The world needs more wooden arrows and Puerto Rican rum!!
Drunken primitive archery should be an Olympic event I think. LOL
Nobody is “lying” about anything Dave.
Have you read the bill?
Do you really know what is in it?
Do you really think those votes changed for no reason?
The bill won’t work anyway. The markets already know this.
Why don’t you?
“Americans can no longer trust the economic information they are getting from this Administration.”
— Republican Senator Jim DeMint
Read the constitution
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 10:54AM EST (link)All the “pork” that was added (not that it IS pork, since tax reductions are not the same thing as appropriation earmarks) was passed by the house in March.
In order to get the bill restarted, the Senate had to add an ammendment (the bailout) to an existing spending bill.
This is very clearly spelled out in Article I of the constitution.
The only things added to the bill were the original bailout package, the increase in the FDIC insurance limits, and the modification to the Mark to Market accounting rules.
You can gripe all you want about wooden arrows and wool research, but that doesn’t make your argument based on fact. All of those pieces of “pork” that you are complaining about were already in the bill.
It isn’t like the Senate has this huge buffet of House passed spending bills just sitting around, just in case. They took the least obnoxious (and probably the only) unpassed spending bill and modified it. They can’t change the parts passed by the House, they can only add new items, then send it back to the House for ratification. Which is what happened on Friday.
The original bill was a $150B tax relief package, of which $105B was not offset by spending cuts, that had the standard crap all spending bills have, since it also included the next year’s patch for the AMT.
What you are complaining about, in effect, is this bailout has now been increased through the inclusion of next year’s AMT patch.
So I guess the AMT patch is now “pork”, glad to hear you think so.
I have had to explain this now at least two dozen times in the last three days, so yeah, I’m getting a little tired of it.
If the House had passed the original bill on Monday, then we would have saved $105B, but you also would not get your AMT patch next year.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
Yes, in fact you are lying
Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 11:02AM EST (link)You keep talking about “pork that was added”. That is untrue due to the constitutional restrictions imposed by Article I.
Your (and I am talking specifically about you now, Sandman) disingenuous continued griping about the bill, and misrepresentation of the facts in an attempt to distort the motives of those involved is not helpful.
I get the fact that you don’t like the bill and wanted it defeated. Sorry, you lost. Lying about the nature of the bill and misrepresenting the facts of the process used will not change the facts.
And using those lies in an attempt to encourage electoral punishment for GOP House members is disgraceful.
“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy
Boot licking spineless lackies....
MrSandman (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 11:08AM EST (link)The entire lot of them….
Do you want to see the list again?
Pork is pork Dave. I don’t where it comes from.
It’s the reason the garbage got passed.
Let us know how that bill helps your buddy with the restaurants out. I’m sure everything will be hunky dory now right?
I bet you like to think you support free markets also. Can’t you at least be honest with yourself before you accuse others of lying?
“Americans can no longer trust the economic information they are getting from this Administration.”
— Republican Senator Jim DeMint
Thanks
Pomme (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 11:14AM EST (link)for the condescending. Really appreciated.
I was pointing out that there was pork in the existing bill.
I’m well aware how it works. I have read the Constitution, again thanks.
“Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views” William F Buckley Jr.
Pilgrim, I have a question....
Susannah (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 1:25PM EST (link)Is your diary being critical of these congressmen for simply changing their vote on the bailout from “no” to “yes”(I am a tepid supporter of the bailout), or of changing their vote on the bailout due to pork and earmarks? I just wanted to know.
I'm calling on the vote changers to explain themselves
pilgrim (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 1:35PM EST (link)I want to know if their No vote on Monday was them voting their conscience. I want to know if their changed vote on Friday is them voting their conscience. I just don’t feel like I hear any straight talk from these particular incumbents.
Like you I support some action by Congress, and time will tell if this action does any good or not.
OK, fair enough....
Susannah (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 3:03PM EST (link)Thanks for answering Pilgrim, and you make some good points.
thanks Susannah, I really appreciate your recommend. n/t
pilgrim (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 3:34PM EST (link).
Lucy 'splanations: NC's Myrick, gamecock, AMT, and other non-arrow changes
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 5:59PM EST (link)I can’t quite echo pilgrim’s implied characterization of the FINAL votes on the Senate amended Paulson Panic Prevention Bill, as a great moral conflict with the yea-sayers and/or the nay-sayers that were once yea-sayers necessarily deserving to be denied re-election.
This does not mean that I would have voted for the final bill. I would not.
As many here may suspect, the last two weeks were my busiest ever at Redstate.
I was encouraged to quit writing easier political/legal stuff and tap into my economics education to thoroughly analyze the $700 crisis prevention bill.
Samples of my opprobrium:
In Dicta or Ditka:
In GOP improved Obamanation will go Schwarzenegger in months
In the Notion,
So, my bona fides re the pros and cons of the original paulson proposal; all versions since then; and my opposition to the final bill are established beyond reproach.
That said, and with GOP and many Dem no voters retaining my greatest admiration, I do think the final vote was close call given the Cantor and other House GOP improvements that greatly water down the effect of the bill on the national debt (insurance for a large percentage and another vote required for half the money to be spent); revision of the abominable AMT tax that would have produced a recession causing or deepening tax hike; and the prospect of massive small business failures and/or market crash very soon absent confidence building from such a bill.
Note that I think we are going to have hell to pay no matter what government does.
My rep in the House, Sue Myrick is on Pilgrim’s flip-flop list. She did explain her changed vote based on the above and on phone calls from car dealerships and other businesses that can’t get credit.
I am not a big opponent of pork, whether spending or mis-named special interest tax cuts.
I am for any tax cut anytime until we get the total tax take for any American under 25%.
And given that pork expenditures are puny and are often the grease that makes good legislation possible, I don’t strain on gnats with dragon flies about.
Got no prob with wooden arrows!
Now, Here’s Lucy! I love Lucy!
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
thank you gamecock for your comments
pilgrim (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 6:38PM EST (link)The purpose of my blog was only to raise the question to folks about whether or not their Rep has explained their votes last week, and the ones who voted No on Monday and Yes on Friday really need to explain their votes.
My Rep., Andre Carson, is on the flip flop list, and he has an unsatisfactory answer for me. The reasons he gave had nothing to do with the add-ons put in by the Senate.
I grow weary of those in Congress who are incapable of straight talk. I may not agree with a vote, but I have more respect for a Rep. who votes with his conscience. If they are voting on something based on how much it will feather the nest of one of their special interest then own up to that. Straight talk is all I am asking for at the moment.
amen on that - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, October 5th at 7:32PM EST (link)5
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson