And The Netroots Will Explode In 5, 4, 3, 2 . . .


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Of course, I have to believe that if Barack Obama did not actually believe that the surge overseen by Secretary Gates really has been successful, he would not have consented to keep the Secretary on. By agreeing to retain Secretary Gates at the Pentagon, the President-elect has not-too-subtly endorsed the very surge and counterinsurgency efforts he spent time denouncing on the campaign trail.

One wishes that he would finally admit as much. The votes have been cast, they have been counted, the Electoral College will meet and certify the results and Barack Obama will go ahead and become the 44th President of the United States. I think it is finally safe for him to say that when it came to figuring out what to do in Iraq, President Bush, Secretary Gates, General Petraeus and Senator McCain were right . . . and Barack Obama was wrong.

Barring such a verbal admission, I suppose that we will have to take this reappointment of Secretary Gates to constitute the closest thing to an admission of error the President-elect can bring himself to offer the rest of the country. Speaking of admissions, Chris Bowers admits that “keeping Gates on would only worsen Democratic image problems on national security, as he would be the second consecutive non-Democratic Secretary of Defense nominated by a Democratic President. The message would be clear: even Democrats agree that Democrats can’t run the military.” I am happy to take his word for the matter.


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You guys are missing the mark

Reaper0Bot0 (formerly Han_Pritcher) (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 1:13AM EST (link)

Only Nixon could go to China.

Oh, and fyi

Reaper0Bot0 (formerly Han_Pritcher) (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 1:24AM EST (link)

In that analogy, Gates is Nixon. Having Gates oversee the beginning of the withdrawal provides considerable political cover. Serendipitously, so does having the status of forces agreement which effectively sets a date certain negotiated by a Republican administration.

Obama gets what he wants with a lot less political risk than if he put somebody like Danzig in the job right away. It’s smart. Gates gets what he wants (presumably) which is to make sure that the grown-ups (as he probably sees it) get to make sure we don’t malf up the next phase of the mission.

 
 

Of course he always believed the surge was a success.

Hakononaka Wednesday, November 26th at 1:31AM EST (link)

He’s not quite that dumb. But giving the surge some credit would require admitting his judgment was wrong, and that would hurt his pride. Wouldn’t happen in a campaign, but he might flip-flop and say the surge was good now that he’s in a position to try to take credit for future Iraq successes, even if he’s really just reaping the benefits of what those before him did, whom he attacked at the time.

 

This is good at least

jarrod21 Wednesday, November 26th at 2:03AM EST (link)

Of course, my first stop upon seeing this news was the good ol’ DU.

The predictable outrage was predictable, but entertaining nonetheless.

 

Move On!

joetheslacker Wednesday, November 26th at 2:21AM EST (link)

Pejman,

I doubt that Obama is still fighting the 2008 election. If you still want to I’m sure that is fine with him but it won’t help the GOP get back any seats. Even if he believes in his heart of hearts that the surge was right – it does not matter for a second. Move On!

 

Gates...

CK_MacLeod Wednesday, November 26th at 2:51AM EST (link)

…was not an early supporter of the surge strategy. He is and was a responsible and effective bureaucrat, but he is not a visionary.

BO’s moderate appointments pretty much all fall into that category – on the economic team, too. All in all, we see good people to manage a crisis and a general relaxation of pressure, perhaps to give a last try at making carrots and sticks work with Iran and other scofflaws… and otherwise to pour buckets of certain suspicious substances down your neck while telling you it’s rain.

Obama seems to be trying to give the people what they think they want – an excuse to think as little about foreign policy as possible. If the world cooperates it might work out very well – and there are opportunities to expand on or re-cast or re-boot Bush initiatives that could do real good without necessarily creating big headlines. So we on the right can perhaps take comfort that BO’s aiming more for minimal drama than for satisfying the insane, but that shouldn’t be confused with a strong foreign and defense policy.

Hey joetheslacker why don't you MoveOn....I suspect they are closer to your beliefs!

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 8:21AM EST (link)

Pejman nor any of us are fighting the 2008 election what we are going to do is catalog the lies and outright misrepresentation of this idiot and we will be fighting the 2012 election….you see whether you lie today or tomorrow your lies will be kept tallied and his list is so long rightwing sites will all have to add an extra server to contain them!

 
 

Troubling....

weave (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 8:46AM EST (link)

So if Obama does something stupid, we’ll jump all over his case about it. If he does the right thing, we’ll rub it in his face, gloat and still jump all over his case about it.

I didn’t vote for him, but like it or not, he’s going to be our President soon and more than anything I want this country to succeed.

Also, during the debates Obama did admit the surge was successful when he said “The troop surge in Iraq has been more successful than anyone could have imagined.” A tad bit of a lame admission since many people DID imagine its success, but it was still an admission.

If we really want to drive the dkos crowd nuts, support Obama when he does the right thing on an issue.

You seem to forget, Weave...

jonnot Wednesday, November 26th at 9:10AM EST (link)

that this admission from Obama only came AFTER he was dragged kicking and screaming to finally make it. Even while being interviewed during his world-wide campaign extravaganza in Iraq–where he could see the results of the surge first-hand–he could not admit that it was good OR successful. Finally, after being repeatedly asked by the same interviewer wether or not the surge had been a success, Obama grudgingly stated that there had been some improvement, but gave the credit not to US troops, but to different ethnic-Iraqi groups on the ground.

 
 

The most amusing thing, of course, is the way he's keeping his staff.

Moe Lane (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 9:14AM EST (link)

Gates as SecDef can be seen as a fig leaf. Gates as SecDef + senior staffers = “That was just pillow talk, baby” to the enthusiasts out there who have been dreaming of war-crimes trials.

The idiots.

My point is....

weave (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 9:26AM EST (link)

He may have been dragged into admitting it, but he must have believed it to grudgingly admit it. He knew many of the dkos ilk would go nuts and not be happy, hence why he was trying to avoid mentioning it. It’s the same with Gates. The netroots crowd aren’t happy at all about it.

All I’m really saying is, if Obama does the right thing, we should show our support on those decisions. I’m not saying we all turn into one big Obama fan group!

heh

Tanggor (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 9:49AM EST (link)

I was just re-watching that film last night.

“It will be found an unjust and unwise jealousy to deprive a man of his natural liberty upon the supposition he may abuse it.” – George Washington

Yup, Gates has signed on to be pure political cover.

Siberian Wednesday, November 26th at 10:31AM EST (link)

I fully expect Obama will keep his campaign promise to pack up and leave Iraq. Keeping Gates on board to implement this policy gives him cover if things go badly.

At which point he’ll promptly sack Gates and pick someone else.

I fully expect that once the withdrawl is well underway (sometime in 2010) Gates will be replaced.

We simply do not have the time

conservativemusician Wednesday, November 26th at 10:48AM EST (link)

for Obama to eventually come to the correct conclusions, especially when it will become more and more obvious that these decisions are not based on principle but rather on political expedeiency. The stakes are simply too high in so many areas and the times we will agree with him on anything substantive will be few and far between.

He may be our next president, but I will NEVER support Obama in any way, period. His policies and world view are anathema to me and I will not bow to the “let’s give him a chance” mantra. Did the Dems and the mainstream media ever give Bush a chance? Of course not, but we’re all expected to just bend over and bow to the omnicience and magnificence that is Obama. It makes me want to hurl.

Remember that even when Obama makes decisions that are viewed as more center-right, he does this only as a calculation so he can get what he really wants in the long-term, which is unbridled socialism masked as hope and change. How far we have fallen as a society that this man ever got elected and I pray that God will put a hedge of protection around this country in the next 4 years.

2011, actually.

Moe Lane (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 1:21PM EST (link)

That’s the deadline that the current agreement envisions, and by 2010 nobody who matters is going to particularly care if we’re delaying our leavetaking for a year.

Then again, by 2011 the Iraqis will be busily negotiating with us to keep at least one or two cash cows military bases in their country anyway.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Testing the waters...

Gizzard Wednesday, November 26th at 7:58PM EST (link)

(Disclaimer: I voted Obama)

Just consider for a moment that Obama is not some leftie peacenik; and further try to imagine that he actually IS concerned with our national security.

The way I understand his position on our on-going wars is this:

1) He believes that the situation in Afghanistan is more vital to our national security than is the situation in Iraq.

2) From the outset, it was his view that the war in Iraq was misguided. And, for the first several years, it was his view that the war in Iraq was being mishandled.

3) As for “the surge”, he has since said that it was far more successful than he could have imagined it being. However, that does not change the fact that (in his view) Afghanistan is the more vital conflict. So, post-surge, the war in Iraq has gone from being “Wrong place, wrong strategy” to being simply, “the wrong place”.

So, the way I see it, keeping Gates on IS an acknowledgment of Gates’/Petraeus’ success in executing the surge, but does not, in any way, change Obama’s view that efforts should be shifted away from Iraq and towards Afghanistan. In a sense, he is saying, “You men did a great job…too bad your Commander In Chief had you in the wrong country.”

I don’t have the credentials to make an assessment as to whether or not he is right on Iraq vs. Afghanistan, but I do respect the fact that as our Commander in Chief To-Be he will have the unenviable task of sending our troops into war. I am pleased to see that he is committed to sending them to the place that he’s sees as the greatest threat to our national security AND that he is committed to keeping the right men around to execute on that plan.

 

No politics

wacon Wednesday, November 26th at 9:15PM EST (link)

My son’s in Iraq. I’m going to forget the politics on this and say “Good hire Mr. President – elect.” Now, please listen to the man you just hired.

 

OK, a little politics

wacon Wednesday, November 26th at 9:22PM EST (link)

Gizzard says, “The way I understand his position on our on-going wars is this:

1) He believes that the situation in Afghanistan is more vital to our national security than is the situation in Iraq.”

It seems he only said the situation is Afghansitan was more vital after it was clear that the surge was working. It was political cover; he had to find another “reason” to explain his opposition to the Iraq war.

Maybe I’m wrong, but I’ve tried to find an Obama statement on Afghanistan vs. Iraq prior to the campaign and can’t.

"I don't have the credentials to make an assessment as to whether or not he is right on Iraq vs. Afghanistan..."

Moe Lane (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 10:12PM EST (link)

Then stay out of conversations and discussions on the topic until you’ve educated yourself to the minimum standards that can be reasonably expected of a functioning citizen of the Republic.

Gizzard, Gizzard, Gizzard...

conservativemusician Wednesday, November 26th at 10:40PM EST (link)

Obama IS a leftie peacenik.

IRAQ, not Afghanistan, is the central front in the war on terror. Bin Laden said so himself.

Obama has always been against the surge and could not bring himself to admit it worked during the debates. He looked foolish and amateurish…which by the way, he is on this and just about every other issue. His lack of experience with the military and foreign affairs has the potential of costing many lives on the battlefields against terrorists in the future. McCain at least was very competent in this area.

Gates staying on is a political calculation, not an endorsement of the surge or Bush policies on terror which have worked very well (i.e. no attacks on our soil since 9/11).

Obama will be a capitulating, appeasing disgrace as Commander-in-Chief. He’s already talked about massive defense cuts and has denigrated the morale of our troops with his verbal lack of support for their mission as well as voting against troop funding while serving as Senator. If he bows to the wishes of the left and people like you by bringing the troops home too early, he will surely be a disgrace to this country and to the brave men and women who defend this country.

Moe Lane is correct in his assessment that you need to educate (or rather reeducate) yourself on this issue. We need peace through strength, not appeasment and bluster and tearing down our military, which I can almost guarantee Obama will surely do.

You got it, Moe.

Gizzard Wednesday, November 26th at 10:45PM EST (link)

I’m outta here.

And to wacon, thanks for the reasonable response to my comment. Best wishes to you and your son.

Just as long as your next stop's a library.

Moe Lane (Diary) Wednesday, November 26th at 10:48PM EST (link)

Sorry you won't be hanging around.

conservativemusician Wednesday, November 26th at 10:51PM EST (link)

Hope to have you back again in the near future.

Political Cover

olsmithie (Diary) Thursday, November 27th at 12:06AM EST (link)

After this election I would expect everyone to remember that it doesn’t matter what the high and mighty Obama does, right or wrong, good or bad, he will get a free pass on rotten things along with spin actually praising him, even if it is something totally stupid.

What ever he does on the war will not be “his fault” in the media, regardless of how badly he mucks it up. If he pulls out followed by massive genocide, it will still be someone else’s fault.
I had to put up with people like that all through junior high.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if Obama decided to grow up and be responsible?
Oh, well last I checked the underworld had not frozen over.

Regards

aka unbecoming

gekster (Diary) Thursday, November 27th at 7:53PM EST (link)

He may be our next president, but I will NEVER support Obama in any way, period.

I see you are a conservativemusician first,
and an American if it fits you?

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

aka unbecoming

gekster (Diary) Thursday, November 27th at 10:34PM EST (link)

It took me some digging, I broke a few shovels doing it, but here are some web sites for you.

This one’s on Wikipedia, so I can’t guarantee if any of it’s true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PoliticalviewsofBarackObama

These two are much better.
From2007.

http://www.cfr.org/bios/11603/?groupby=3&hide=1&id=11603&filter=2007

And from2005;

http://www.cfr.org/bios/11603/?groupby=3&hide=1&id=11603&filter=2005#12

Copy and paste into your address bar to go to them.
I hope this is what you want.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Unbecoming? Hmmm...

conservativemusician Saturday, November 29th at 1:26AM EST (link)

As you found the statement you referenced from my prior post “unbecoming”, I will clarify. I support and respect the OFFICE of the POTUS (including Obama’s right as POTUS to seek to completely screw up our country for generations to come with his leftist, socialist, commie pinko liberalism), but I will NEVER support Obama’s POLICIES. Is that American enough for you? :-) .

I firmly believe that Obama’s mind has been so warped and radicalized over the years that he does not possess the judgment (moral or otherwise) to make decisions that will be in the best interests of ALL of the people of this country, not just the elites in the political class and the mindless Obamabots who voted for him (hence, why I am again voicing my undying non-support for his VIEWS).

The only thing Obama MAY have going for him are the people around him pulling the strings because although he seems to be intelligent, he lacks personal wisdom and judgement of his own to draw from in making the monumental decisions only a president can make. I took the time to read the link on Obama’s views on the various issues from one of your other posts and it reveals what I already alluded to in that his policy positions are muddled at best and change and shift depending on who he is talking to and whether it can bring him political advantage.

Obama is the anti-Reagan in my view in that he cannot think for himself on matters of policy, whether foreign and domestic. This is a very dangerous character flaw in my estimation. As I referenced in my prior post, we don’t have the time as a country to try and understand Obama better or rehabilitate him or cling to a false hope that he will govern from the center.

We also should have learned by now that we need to move beyond negotiation with our political enemies in BOTH political parties. By this, I mean that the GOP has tried reaching out instead of standing on conservative principles and all we received in return was a butt kicking on several fronts. We need to run as conservatives and let the chips fall where they may. This is the best way (and, in my view, the only way) we can defeat the libs in 2010 and 2012 and appeal to the vaunted “swing voters”.

BTW, in the future, should you choose to respond to another of my posts, please refrain from the snarkiness. I have read through all of your prior posts and we are on the same side as conservatives…and we are both patriotic Americans. Thanks.