It has passed, of course. Now, the questions is whether it will actually do anything to alleviate the current financial crisis. The fear is that it will not; there are serious concerns that the bailout has been passed too late to affect anything. I suppose that this is the reason why more bailouts might be on the way.
I would have had an easier time supporting this bailout if along with its passage, we agreed on the proposition that subprime mortgage loans are, in general, a very bad idea. One would think that it would now be easy to establish a political consensus around the belief that home loans ought not to be given to people with poor credit, few means with which to pay the loans back and shaky life histories that show no semblance of stability and/or the capability to hold and keep a steady job. Of course, it will be next to impossible to establish this consensus because of the continued belief in the need for as many Americans as possible to own their own homes. Why this magical belief should continue to persist in light of the subprime catastrophe is anyone’s guess. By now, we should have learned that renting ain’t so bad, that home ownership is not for everyone and that pursuing the dream of home ownership with the kind of religious zeal we as a nation have demonstrated will only lead to more dubious loans being given out, more housing gluts, more defaults on mortgages and more havoc in the financial markets. Absent this consensus, supporting a bailout is like trying to put a band-aid on the gaping hole in what used to be one’s chest after a rocket-propelled grenade found its mark.
As appalling as the bailout is the storyline that accompanies it; the storyline that “unregulated” capitalism is responsible for the current financial mess. Fatuous nonsense. As Russell Roberts points out, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the policies stemming from the Community Reinvestment Act were responsible for getting us into this mess because they insistently pushed subprime loans onto the rest of the country. These were government failures, not market failures. Government was responsible for giving us this mess and now, the very denizens of government who backed the policies that led to this mess have the gall to lecture the business community on the dangers of “unregulated” and untrammeled capitalism? Milton Friedman is somehow to blame for all of this? Were the times not more serious, awards ought to be handed out for sheer chutzpah.
To the extent that government is blamed, the blame usually falls upon former government officials who have ties to the McCain campaign, according to the narrative of the moment. Thus, government’s only screw up supposedly constituted allowing former Senator Phil Gramm to pass the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act. Problem is that GLB had and has nothing to do with the current crisis and even high-ranking, partisan Democrats understand that. Why no one else does is a mystery to some, perhaps, but my theory is that those who don’t understand may well just be pretending not to understand because they believe such pretense is the easy path to votes in November. Coincidentally, many of those pretenders either are working directly for an Obama victory or are cheering on the sidelines for an Obama victory. They call themselves the “reality-based community.” Feel free to laugh at the irony of it all.
When you are finished laughing, consider that when it comes to the bailout, we created our own policy reality. It was the bailout or nothing, according to the arguments we heard in the media and from the political class. With the national construction of this strawman, we enacted dubious legislation. There is a serious danger that we acted out of sheer panic. I am not accusing anyone of lying about the dangers of the current economic crisis–I don’t pretend that we are living in times of growth and prosperity. But as Ilya Somin points out, “We should not forget the example of the Great Depression, when many harmful policies were imposed in the name of immediate necessity – policies that failed to end the Depression as had been hoped, but did benefit powerful interest groups in ways that often imposed great harm on the general public.” Alas, it would seem that we went ahead and did just that. A significant consensus across the ideological spectrum amongst economists concludes that the bailout was a bad idea and we just went ahead and ignored it.
I hope that we were right in ignoring it. I fear that we weren’t and that we will repeat the error in the coming months for future bailouts that amount to nothing in the quest to find the policy silver bullet that will ameliorate the current crisis in the financial markets. By the way, note that I am calling this package a “bailout.” I know that there are people who think that this is bad labeling and bad framing and argue that it should be called a “financial rescue package” instead, so that we can sound noble and chivalric as we ride to the salvation of the economy. To which I say nomina sunt consequentia rerum. The least we can do in enacting this big government stopgap is to call it what it is. Sugarcoating its proper name won’t make the legislation look any prettier.
Daniel Horowitz
Neil Stevens
Steve Maley
Jake Walker
Unintended Dire Consequences
RBMN Saturday, October 4th at 2:10AM EST (link)Re: Community Reinvestment Act, and things like it.
There are people in this world (with exceptional commonsense and a keen understanding of human nature) who have great success predicting all the unintended dire consequences of each new law that Congress considers, but none of them ever seem to make it into the Congress. Many of them write books and articles that nobody reads till after their prediction comes true.
Pej, thanks for the very good analysis.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 3:48AM EST (link)If these things don’t pull through… America will be subjected to heavy taxation to cover up the losses.
The Feds put us into this mess.
Yes voters, links & more
danps Saturday, October 4th at 4:10AM EST (link)Their districts and a quick Google search for opponents next month over here. Let’s make them pay as well as us.
Bush could be the next Hoover
enrique Saturday, October 4th at 5:38AM EST (link)Your analysis is right on and unfortunately, when you don’t have conservatives in office representing your party, you have the potential for your ‘brand’ to be ruined. Bush, and now McCain, represent the big government GOP that sees government not as the problem but the solution. “We just use market solutions with the government’s help.”
Like Hoover did around the time of the great crash, Bush’s cabinet decided to do everything it could to prevent the inevitable slowdown. It put Republicans in a bind and forced them to support multiple un-conservative actions like the Bear Stearns bailout and F/F.
I don’t know how bad the economy will get but it’s going to be bad. And yes, Bush will get blamed for it. It is *now *that we must make sure we get our guiding philosophy in order and flush out all of the big government conservatives who will support any government action in the name of market stability.
We may have some of the most important fights ahead of us in the next four years and we need to be prepared to fight the coming calls for more government intervention. And we need to start being more careful to elect true conservatives – not just who we think is the most likely to win for our party. Winning at the expense of abandoning our small government principles is worthless.
“There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one striking at the root.” Henry David Thoreau
Completely agree
Chekote Saturday, October 4th at 8:09AM EST (link)I will vote against my representative who is a Republican. I am tired of people calling themselves conservatives, and then voting for liberal prescriptions. Time to clean house.
The GOP blew it
Fr_Martin_Fox Saturday, October 4th at 8:16AM EST (link)You are correct, the key issue was ignored: government encourages lending to uncreditworthy borrowers, even to the point of penalizing lenders who don’t do it.
The GOP had the opportunity to make that the issue, but wimped out. Of course, a good portion of the GOP in Congress was following their leader, George Bush; and they’ve been doing if all these years, so expecting them to change their ways all of a sudden is a lot to expect. In that light, it’s actually heartening that we have as many friends of liberty in the Congress as we do.
This is why I was so against the “Crap Sandwich” (to quote John Boehner’s words we should make immortal): because it did nothing to address the source of the problem.
Now the pressure’s off — if this works; and if it doesn’t, Bush and the Party of Government (ignore the Ds and Rs behind people’s names–those don’t matter, don’t you folks get that? even now? McCain and Obama were shoulder to shoulder on this thing!) will run this same, Chicken Little play book over again.
A lot of the Redstate GOP partisans are really gonna hate what I’m gonna say now, but here goes: there is absolutely no basis for expecting McCain to be any different if he is elected.
You can say, “but he warned against Freddie and Fannie.” He jumped on Hegel’s bill, and he has managed mostly to forget about that since; why hasn’t he been talking about this issue? Why didn’t he press this point when he flew back to D.C.? No, all his ire has been directed at the markets — and he’s got Gov. Palin doing the same; it’s all “Wall Street Greed,” which is only part of the story.
So, what, do I want Obama? No; but consider this and think soberly: how many Republicans came along on the Crap Sandwich because they were pushed to by the leader of their own party? You really think Obama would have gotten Zach Wamp or Tom Coburn to go for this?
Conservatives need to get over the fantasy that we actually have a friend running for president this year. We do not. And if you have hopes for Gov. Palin (I do), do you really want her to spend the next four years serving Crap Sandwiches side-by-side with McCain?
We do have friends in Congress; we have a good base to build on. Those who stood against this withstood massive pressure. That’s something hopeful. If we are going to stop more Crap Sandwiches during the next four years, it lies there, not in the executive branch. And I’m sorry to say it, but: if McCain is in the White House, he’ll make that harder.
Fr Martin Fox
Two other failures
Dougist Saturday, October 4th at 8:24AM EST (link)Two other regulatory failures were Sarbains-Oxley, which has been a meaningless distraction, and Mark to Market accounting which has been an accelerator to this crisis.
I wrote about the regulatory failings of this mess here…
Comments the Current Crisis – Regulation
…and called or a repel of SOX and adoption Principles Based Accounting.
Mark to Market accounting has made this crisis so much worse because it propelled a policy decision to make sub-prime loans, into a financial crises that will require Treasury intercession to fix.
Think of it this way: The IRS shows up at your house and says “Unless you justify every deposit into every account for the last three years you are going to jail.” You say, “No problem sir I have it all here in these 27 unsorted boxes” (and you do). You say “I’ll get back to you in a month.” And the IRS guy says, “Nope, You have 15 minutes or you’re getting cuffed”. That’s what Mark to Market accounting did to the banks.
Doug
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Economy suffers massive hangover after binging on cocktail of socialism and capitalism
John E. (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 8:24AM EST (link)And today’s WSJ has just such another conservative’s frightening government lending plan to ostensibly save the real estate market from its downward spiral. Seems to me that the real estate market can find its own proper bottom which ought to be related to the true cost of building new homes. Land values have always been ethereal but there is no good reason a government bailout should be used to keep them high. Negative equity homeowners have other things at stake that are being over looked: their credit-rating, their public character and their self-respect. And with good sense they can preserve those while waiting for the pendulum’s upswing.
"Mr. Obama’s "deregulation" trope may be good politics, but it’s bad history and is dangerous if he really believes it." Just ask Bill Clinton about what this crisis had to do with the GLBA.
It is the legislators’ cocktail of socialism and capitalist greed that has left our economy with this massive hangover following upon the ecstatic highs of its drunken binge. Government mandated socialism through Fannie, Freddie and the CRA impaired the market’s usual judgment so I’m for a detox phase aimed at softening the landing. But all toward teetotal. We need to buck up and get off the dole whether it is proposed by Hillary Clinton, Katrina Vanden Heuvel, Glenn Hubbard or Martin Feldstein. NO!
Buy Stocks! Stay Calm and Profit!
Strelnikov (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 8:39AM EST (link)Buy low and sell high! The old advice is still correct! Stocks in general are at bargain prices: if you have any cash, and have been wondering about how to invest, choose long-term growth industries and run with them.
The panicked herd mentality currently reigning is also an opportunity for the entrepreneur and/or the calm investor. Business history shows that people who invested in stocks during the Depression did extremely well long term. This is no Depression, of course, but any downturn is an opportunity.
Let the morons sell low and lose even more money!
As of November 4, 2008, the Code Words will be: “Klaatu – Borada – Nikto!”
New homes for all
izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 8:44AM EST (link)1.) You bought a home you knew you could not afford.
2.) You get real hungry and start skipping your mortgage payment.
3.) You are forced out of your house that you paid
$300,000 for.
4.) You have to move into an apartment or with family members or friends.
5.) The bank cannot sell your house for $300,000.
6.) No one is buying houses.
7.) The bank is stiffed the $300,00
8.) All the bank got paid was interest for a few years.
9.) Now – multiple this by 500,000 and you see the problem.
10.) But $300,000 x 500,000 is 150 Billion.
11.) You would have to have homes cost $700,000
and One million foreclosures to equal $700 Billion????
12.) You would have to sell assets at the value
it was purchased at. That will be difficult at best.
Even if you hold them for a few years, who is
paying to maintain and fix these assets.
13.) What is wrong with this picture??
The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.
The real conservatives? Where are they?
kowalski (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 9:21AM EST (link)The real Conservatives evidently got purged from the banking, credit and mortgage business some time around 1990, and then all the rest of them were left to die off.
Then someone had the wonderful idea to for banks to have credit-debt swap agreements with each other using fax machines, and to sell bad debt that had been recast as AAA or BBB bonds to each other.
And banks encouraged people to take second-mortgage loans to buy toys for themselves. To borrow against their equity, the only thing they really could count on, to finance braces and vacations.
Everyone got paid commissions.
Everyone got golden parachutes.
Everyone got screwed.
The problem is not legal, it is moral, and temperamental. You can’t encourage people who don’t have any money to invest in real property and expect them to pay, especially when builders overbuild and oversaturate the market and the value of the houses drop. Double whammy of stupidity.
It’s time for the real Conservatives to come back to the banking system and the mortgage and real estate system in this country. We need a full cleanout.
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As a side note
kowalski (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 9:29AM EST (link)It was during this time that America has seen the biggest expansion of gambling in its history, through casinos all across the fruited plain. Bill Clinton helped open Mohegan Sun in Connecticut and Richard Daley wanted to open a casino in Chicagoland to help fill the tax coffers.
America has been extraordinarily stupid. It has encouraged people to gamble as a matter of public policy. You can’t encourage people to gamble day and night with their paychecks, guarantee them mortgages regardless of their ability to pay, and then have exotic financial instruments based on that whole pile of crap sold around the world and not expect the world to eventually come apart.
But casinos are still a growth industry in America. We don’t produce much else with that kind of excellence any more. Mohegan Sun is the most amazing place you’ve ever seen, it’s like Disneyland for Fools, with row after row of penny slot machines, where people will sit for hours at a time trying to win $10. Little old ladies with oxygen tanks spending their Social Security checks on slot machines. That’s what this country has become because all the Conservatives are gone.
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Gambling Nation
kowalski (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 9:37AM EST (link)We’re all on the train together, and the bridge ahead is out. It’s about time we stopped the train and got off.
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And everyone who knows will tell you
kowalski (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 9:55AM EST (link)That the casinos never lose, unless they spend too much on drinks and shows and halogen lighting. Roulette was invented by Pascal for the French Nobility as a game for the masses that could never be won and would always, always direct money toward the State, and also as a perpetual-motion machine.
It is, of course, mathematically impossible to win at Roulette over the long term.
Somehow over the past 20 years we’ve enshrined that in our economic policy. Now you know why everyone in this country is looking at a $17,000 haircut. It doesn’t work.
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I Go Back and Forth On Gambling
Strelnikov (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 10:07AM EST (link)On the one hand, if suckers want to lose their money under the delusion they can get rich without working, go ahead.
On the other hand, precisely that kind of “philosophy” is so deleterious to the atmosphere of society that one would think we should not empower it so much.
Ohio is about to decide on whether to allow casinos: the “peer pressure” is immense. Except Kentucky, surrounding states have many more such things.
As of November 4, 2008, the Code Words will be: “Klaatu – Borada – Nikto!”
My Money Goes Back And Forth On Gambling n/t
Swamp_Yankee (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 10:31AM EST (link)My Money Goes Back And Forth On Gambling n/t
Then it's time to go back to local banks.
Achance (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 10:45AM EST (link)I generally hold to the view that in almost everything, big is bad. I know all the stuff about economy of scale and all that, but I’m not convinced that Home Depot or WalMart’s miles of Chinese junk and zero service are a reasonable trade for stores selling a quality product aimed specifically to a local or regional market, displayed in an organized manner, and served by a knowledgeable sales person. I think this is especially true with banking.
Until the last six or eight years, I had never dealt with the mega-banks. I grew up in a small town where the Bankers owned the bank, lived in the town, and were known to all. Even in ATL in the late sixties and very early seventies the Citizens and Southern and the National Bank of Georgia were very much local, if very large, banks. Here in Alaska, First National of Anchorage and National Bank of Alaska, the dominant players, were both family owned and deeply involved in the communities. Both were conservative to the point where the old saw about the only way to get a loan was to prove you didn’t need it seemed all too true at times. Some agressive upstarts showed up with the Pipeline Boom but were mostly shucked out by the Oil Price Crash and housing market collapse of the mid-’80s. Then the Rasmussen family sold NBA to Wells Fargo.
I have always done business with staid old First National but when our oldest went to CA for college, we set up a Wells Fargo account for him since they had a branch here in Juneau as well as in San Diego where he was going to school. It became immediately apparent that WF’s business model was designed to fleece the poor and stupid. Only God knows how many thousands of dollars that kid gave WF in ATM/debit card and overdraft fees since WF was more than happy to let you have $20 from the ATM or put your McMeal on the debit card when you had no money in the account so they could charge you both a fee for the transaction and a $40 overdraft fee. Allowing overdrafts on an electronic transaction is both willful and unconscionable. Clearly WF had done the math and concluded that while they’d take some losses, the fees they’d get would make more, probably much more, than they’d lose. Meanwhile brilliant college student never quite grasped that there should be some relationship between how much money you had in your account and how much you spent. Of course, he was helped in this delusion by his mother running to the local Wells Fargo and covering his overdrafts until I caught her and put a stop to it – I think. I think that’s a thumbnail sketch of what just happened to the Country as well.
Now the Country is dominated by huge banks, none of which have any real ties to the places they do business except in the most abstract sense. The branch manager for Wells Fargo or BofA is just like the store manager for a big box store; he’s just doing time in some podunk town trying to hit his marks and get promoted to a bigger and glitzier slot. Well, he can hit those marks by “selling” the most ATM and OD charges in the chain or by writing the most mortgages without regard to the quality of the loan. After all Freddie or Fannie was going to buy them and s/he’d be long gone before anything bad happened.
Whether big box store or cookie cutter branck bank, everything is about hitting the monthly or quarterly marks. One of the most encouraging things about the GWB tax scheme was that the more favorable treatment of dividends promised to make companies more interested in making the company worth more rather than in only making the stock worth more. The business model seems to have become do anything fair or foul, usually foul, to run up the price of the stock, cash out the inflated stock, and let the company collapse around the shareholders and employees’ ears while you sit on a beach earning 20%.
These whiz kids from the biz schools that run by this business model have shucked company after company and now have shucked the whole Country. My children’s children’s children are now deep in debt to pay for their excesses and they still have their houses, their MBs and Ferraris, their trophy wives and all their toys. So perhaps I can be forgiven for wanting to jail some people.
In Vino Veritas
It's wrong for governments
kowalski (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 10:59AM EST (link)It’s wrong for governments to encourage the suckers to become bigger suckers with taxpayer money, and that’s exactly what you see.
Most religions have an aversion to encouraging gambling because they know that ultimately it’s a destructive impulse, it preys upon the worst impulses in people, and exploits their worst weaknesses. In the past 20 years in America we’ve seen a vast expansion of it as a matter of public policy and endless revenue for the State.
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The market is to blame.
Whitfox (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 11:09AM EST (link)I didn’t see anyone force a gun to Wachovia’s head, forcing it to take on bad bonds. Same with the other financial institutions. And like it or not, the threat of mass insolvency was the pressure to have this bailout.
Heck, if Freddie and Fannie had been government owned, there’d likely have been no seeming guarantees of government security. For example, Department of Defense acquisitions have a nifty rule: If a bureaucrat commits the government to something without funding authorization, he’s personally liable for the full amount. Such rules encourage a healthy degree of caution. Letting essentially private companies use government money without restriction is unwise.
Sure, the government was influencing the country’s finances towards its own goals. You can’t expect such a big government to refrain from this. That doesn’t mean that the government shouldn’t justly regulate the markets.
The idea that capitalism is such a great economic system rests on everyone being informed, and on the availability of multiple supply sources. But individual sellers would do better if buyers didn’t know about risks or better offers. The government has to make sure the market is fair as well as free.
In this case, the credit crunch came about largely because people had no idea what banks were in trouble. More regulation could force such disclosure. And if we weren’t dependent on such a small number of institutions, we could allow them to fail when they deserve it.
I’m in full agreement that we don’t want socialism. But since we must have negative government interference in the market, let’s make sure to get some positive interference as well.
Staid and small and square
kowalski (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 11:17AM EST (link)Staid and small and square is better in the banking industry than big and loose and polymorphous. I agree completely.
Now because of the profligacy what we’ve seen is banks scrounging for every dollar, actively hurting people! Bank of America is looking for every dollar it can get from transaction fees to keep itself alive. Of course, they gave credit cards to illegal aliens in the first place, so someone has to pay, right?
The real estate boom was emblematic of excess at every level you can think of: there were mortgage brokers offering mortgages to people who couldn’t afford them because they were going to get commissions. There were banks who were willing to lend, and there were securities specialists who repackaged the bad debt and made it appear to be gold. It was a kind of alchemy that is spread because the distance from the actual reality can be made ever more remote. Right up until the whole system becomes insolvent, that is.
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That rule applies to the whole federal government.
Achance (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 11:19AM EST (link)It’s called the “Anti-deficiency Act.” A government officer with fund management authority must certify that there are sufficent funds from a specific appropriation to support any purchase and is liable if there are not sufficient funds. Liability for the whole thing is illusory, but it will cost you your job and you’ll have to live with some sort of judgement against you.
Most governments have similar provisions and in some governments they are even sometimes followed.
In Vino Veritas
Gambling in Ohio: Education Funding!
Strelnikov (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 11:37AM EST (link)The state lottery was originally sold as a way to fix funding for public school education!
Ha! Of course it does not provide enough, never will, and creates the “I don’t have to work” mentality too prevalent already among the denizens who haunt the local 7-11 on Friday afternoons to exchange their welfare checks or their minimum wages for lottery tickets, booze, and cancer sticks, not necessarily in that order.
As of November 4, 2008, the Code Words will be: “Klaatu – Borada – Nikto!”
A few days ago I talked about this...
kowalski (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 11:40AM EST (link)A few days ago I talked about this with my father, and I remarked to him:
“You know, we’re living in Eddie Haskell’s world.”
You can just see the episode of Leave it to Beaver:
Beaver: “Dad, Eddie Haskell wants me to enter the go-kart race next Saturday. My go-kart really stinks, but he says with my $1.50 allowance I can get a loan to buy a $50 go-kart that will win the race and then I’ll be famous.”
Beaver: “He says that when I take the loan, even if I lose, the value of my go-kart will always be more than $50 so I can sell it for $75 and Wally says that he’d like to have the other $25 to take his girlfriend out for milkshakes. What should I do?”
Mr. Cleaver: “Well Beaver, Eddie Haskell’s father tried this exact same thing last year with the automobile dealership in town and do you know what? He lost the race and then he went broke. Let me tell you what I think, son.
I think you should keep the $1.50 and put it in the bank, and then Wally and I will help you build a really nice go-kart for the race. It might not win, it might not be the flashiest go-kart, but it’ll be yours. And you won’t be on the hook for the $50.”
~~~ Cut to Mr. and Mrs. Cleaver sitting at the dinnertable ~~~
Wally: “But Dad, I really want to date this swell girl and Beaver’s go-kart idea could give me the money. She’s a really swell girl and I don’t want to disappoint her.”
Mrs. Cleaver: “Wally, you know you should never have told that girl you can take her to the Taj Mahal restaurant before you talked to your father and I.”
Wally: “Well, I was just doing what you guys have always told me to about being entrepreneurial.”
Mr. Cleaver: “Well, Wally, we never said that while you were looking for a date you should ask your younger brother to take a loan out for money he can’t pay back.”
Beaver: “I still think it would be a great go-kart, Dad, but I think you’re right after all.”
Mrs. Cleaver: “Beaver, your father knows that you should be careful with your money and that most of the things Eddie Haskell asks you to do are going to be pretty foolish.”
Mr. Cleaver: “Beaver, it’s not that I mind you having Eddie as a friend, it’s that I care about you more than him. You should keep the money you earned and we’ll help you build a great go-kart.”
Mr. Cleaver: “And Wally, if your new girlfriend thinks that the Taj Mahal restaurant is all that special, tell her to come over here for dinner at our place instead.”
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That is what I see as well
Achance (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 12:36PM EST (link)when I visit my sister in rural Georgia. Every Friday afternoon there’s a steady stream of the lower class and emotionally disturbed buying lottery tickets and a half-rack at the mini-mart. Only God knows how the trailer payment will get made and how many incidents of domestic violence result from these fools coming home sans paycheck.
In Vino Veritas
That is what I see as well
Achance (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 12:36PM EST (link)when I visit my sister in rural Georgia. Every Friday afternoon there’s a steady stream of the lower class and emotionally disturbed buying lottery tickets and a half-rack at the mini-mart. Only God knows how the trailer payment will get made and how many incidents of domestic violence result from these fools coming home sans paycheck.
In Vino Veritas
Gambling has become an acceptable form
kowalski (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 4:08PM EST (link)Gambling has become an acceptable form of public vice because it’s sponsored by the State or helps the State because it’s conducted within the most controlled environments in the world.
Casinos are the single most controlled environments human beings subject themselves to without being sent to one by a Judge: there are cameras * everywhere * and people are under constant surveillance, and there are a very, very limited number of things you can do, most of them involving losing your money. The only thing you can do in a casino is gamble, drink, gamble drink, smoke, watch entertainment, and screw around. The State loves it this way — it’s the easiest revenue stream in the world: bring the suckers in, fleece them, and make them think there’s something special about it.
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It's no accident
kowalski (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 4:11PM EST (link)It’s no accident that one of the few people who has the money to buy out Ed McMahon was Donald Trump.
The real question is whether America really wants to recognize itself in this century as being indebted to Donald Trump, uber alles.
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that is so Awesome...the TRUTH...i love the truth
speciallist (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 4:13PM EST (link)n/p
The CRA didn't cause the sub prime mess
Samsara (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 4:18PM EST (link)I agree that the CRA pressures banks to make loans to minorities, and that it was an overreaction to the practice of redlining. The best approach is to ignore race and focus on credit history.
But I don’t think the CRA is a root cause of the sub prime mess. Most of the sub prime loans were not made by banks covered by the CRA. More than half of sub prime loans were made by independent mortgage companies not subject to comprehensive federal supervision; another 30 percent of sub prime loans were made by affiliates of banks or thrifts, which are not subject to routine examination or supervision. The remaining 20 percent were made by banks and thrifts that the Community Reinvestment Act applies to.
In short, 80 percent of sub prime loans were made by institutions exempt from the Community Reinvestment Act.
The banks covered by the CRA don’t seem to have a problem with it. Representatives of the banking industry testified before the House Financial Services Committee on February 13, 2008. I reviewed the testimony of the banking representatives and all said that the CRA was not a problem. One even said it was “good for business”.
If the CRA caused the sub prime mess, I would expect that Republicans would call some witnesses to raise the alarm. If banks were being strong armed in this way, why didn’t the minority have them testify before the Financial Services Committee and call Barney Frank on this issue? As I read the Finance Committee Rules, the minority can call witnesses.
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Whenever any hearing is conducted by the Committee on any measure or matter, the minority party members of the Committee shall be entitled, upon the request of a majority of them before the completion of the hearing, to call witnesses with respect to that measure or matter during at least one day of hearing thereon.
I am no fan of big government, but I hate talking points that aren’t solid. If you see where I’m mistaken, or have better information, I would appreciate it.
Yes CRA played a role
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 4:31PM EST (link)It wasn’t the match … it was the kindling, requiring lax standards. If you are forced to lower standards to lend to people who cant really afford the home, of course you will end up with many more bad mortgages:
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Source on lending ratios
Freedoms Truth (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 4:34PM EST (link)Source for previous quote:
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Austin, TX
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kowalski (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 4:58PM EST (link).
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Thanks Freedoms Truth
Samsara (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 7:01PM EST (link)Good Article, explains why banks went along
Another interesting line from the same WSJ article:
“Fannie and Freddie and the banks opposed these policy changes at first through both lobbying and intransigence. But when they found out that following these policies could be profitable — which they were as long as rising housing prices kept default rates unusually low — their complaints disappeared. Maybe they could serve two masters. They turned out to be wrong. And when Fannie and Freddie went into conservatorship, politicians found out that budgetary dollars were on the line after all.”
This makes sense to me. The banks were willing to go along with CRA requirements because they were making money. Republicans and Democrats were in agreement as long as Fannie and Freddie lobbying dollars flowed to both parties. And if Wall Street wants to bundle these things up and sell them, that’s fine.
So I agree, the CRA played a role, a small role, in starting this whole mess. I don’t think that banks or anyone else were “forced” to do anything. They were all in it together.
The Congress says don’t redline, Wall Street investment banks find a way to sell the extra risk to ignorant investors, it works so well they and others aggressively market sub prime loans, politicians (R and D) push Fan/Fred to accept this sludge because it increases home ownership and fuels economic growth. Then the bubble bursts. Republicans blame CRA/Fan/Fred. Democrats blame Wall Street. They should all look in the mirror.
Hope all the folks who retired on this scheme are having fun.
Interesting articles on Fan/Fred
Samsara (Diary) Saturday, October 4th at 9:31PM EST (link)Somthing old WP
Somthing new NYT
Also, Fox News has a new special on the mortgage crisis that does a good job of ripping the Democrats for their role in this mess. Its on again Sat. Night at 11:00 ET. Its called “Saving our Economy, What Next.” Fair and Balanced, no. But they deserve credit for attempting to dig through the complexity of this issue.