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Congressman Peter DeFazio (D. Or.) said that Nancy Pelosi and the House Democratic leadership always assumed that the bailout bill would pass. As a result, they failed to lean hard enough on people like DeFazio and other House Democrats who were allowed to vote “no” as a matter of conscience.

Once again, Nancy Pelosi & Co. couldn’t count votes within their own caucus, failed to understand that getting votes from the Republican Caucus would be difficult enough under ordinary circumstances, completely misread the mood of the House and failed to pass the bailout bill. As the majority party, the Democrats bear the responsibility for this failure. If the Speaker’s gavel is too heavy for Nancy Pelosi, she should give it to someone else and if the House Democrats can’t lead in a time of crisis, they ought to step aside and let someone else do the work.


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BUT'BUT, BUT IT'S ALL THE REPS. FAULT

PaRep (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:26PM EST (link)

THOUGH RIGHT ????

 

Your right!

Keikerdo Monday, September 29th at 5:30PM EST (link)

Your right!!!! How dare the Democrats not make OUR party look after OUR states intrests! I totally forgot that its THEIR fault every time WE fck up. Congratulations jack ass, people like you are why our party will lose in November. Some of us still like to see people held to account for their actions. Fck the Dems but most of all after seeing this……FUCK our party.

 

95 Dems don't count, Cause is 133 Repubs

olsmithie (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:34PM EST (link)

The media is already laying the failure of the bill at the feet of Republicans,even though a dozen fewer Demoncrats voting against it would have passed it.

I disagree with this conclusion. The failure of this bill is due to 2 factors:

To some exent Pelosi’s venom and hatred just prior to the vote.

Chiefly, I attribute the defeat to the many who e-mailed and phoned their representatives and raised unholy heck just prior to the vote.

Regards

Language!

Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:37PM EST (link)

tsk tsk

Do you read?

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

Sounds right to me.

Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:40PM EST (link)

Add in the fact that the bill was poorly explained, as was the situation, which prompted all those people to call.

And, just maybe, the bill wasn’t very good to begin with, even with the modifications.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 
 

If the bill was good,

Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:43PM EST (link)

there should have been no problem.

If it was good, it should have been sold as “good,” not as “expedient.”

The talking heads have yet to acknowledge that there may be other solutions that will work without the drawbacks of this bill.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 

Looks like much of the Black Caucus bolted...

Steve Maley (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:45PM EST (link)

… including Jesse Jackson, Jr., Shelia Jackson-Lee, John Conyers (Chair of Judiciary), John Lewis and, last but by no means least, Rep. William Jefferson (D-LA in his freezer!).

Also both Sanchez’s, both Udalls.

The blogger formerly known as ‘Vladimir’.

UMM you might look at his/her profile

PaRep (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:47PM EST (link)

Troll/moby 30 minutes ago registered

 
 

And NONE of Newt's ideas

Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:49PM EST (link)

were even considered, apparently. I’m not a Newt fan, but the public is about 80-1 against the bill, based on letters/calls to conresscritters.

The word certainly didn’t get out, and it’s partly (but not all) because we have a President who is rhetorically challenged. That shortcoming could end up bringing a very smooth talker into the White House.

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

I did.

Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:50PM EST (link)

Still under 30 minutes. Will it make it to 60?

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

Hopefully Not long

PaRep (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:55PM EST (link)

Well yes, that is how it will be spun

Dave_in_Fla (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:57PM EST (link)

shrug

I hate it as much as everyone else, but unless some 527s show up really fast, this will be spun as our fault.

Someone needs to craft a strong message, get it out in a way that the public can hear it, and get everyone on the same page.

I wonder if Bush going on National TV to lay the blame for this mess where it belongs would help? Not that he would do it, it isn’t his style.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” – Joe McCarthy

 
 
 
 

Congress = Cowards, All

GreyCloak (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 5:58PM EST (link)

The Dems should have done better.

But our Republicans (including mine, who voted No) in the House need to take responsibility, too.

This deal is legitimately bad for all of us, but it made the best of a terrible situation.

There is no “free” market when there is NO market. We’re suppose to elect our Representatives to the the right thing, not the poll-driven, politically expedient thing. They are suppose to rise above the fray and vote for what is best for the Nation.

Our politicians on both sides of the aisle no longer care about The People.

Instead, the cowards hid their heads … and in a more convenient place, not the sand.

Then I guess the question is...

whizkid (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 6:07PM EST (link)

…what is the right thing? I’m sure that those who called their reps and many of the reps themselves believe that the right thing is to not allow socialism.

Remeber the old slogan “Better dead than red”… that same logic could be seen as applying here

Dan Barr

Boy you need to get ahold of yourself

PaRep (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 6:12PM EST (link)

The way I’m hearing liberal media talk about is it’s a Failure of leadership EVERYWHERE !!!!

1 Example http://tinyurl.com/4q2fdd

Blam for any number of reasons (nt)

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 6:13PM EST (link)

RS contributing editor, technical administrator, and “a hardy variety of crabgrass.”
Read the RedState Posting Rules

Unlikely Voter: Poll Analysis, Election Projection.

“I rejoice that America has resisted.” – William Pitt, the Elder

 
 
 
 

What kind of idiot?

clintonformccain Monday, September 29th at 6:14PM EST (link)

What kind of Speaker of the House takes a major bill to the floor without counting the votes first? That’s just plain incompetent.

BTW, I’m hearing that all but one member of the Congressional Black Caucus voted NO.

 

I was/am against the bailout and the nationalizing of the mortgage industry.

phred (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 6:17PM EST (link)

But I sit and look at my retirement dropping a little less than the DOW did today and now I’m just PO’d at what the government has done against free enterprise and capitalism in general. Ms Pelosi was saying she would deliver the Dem passage of the “bailout” vote, she failed. I’m grateful despite my losses today. The good intentions of the givernment is now biting the world in the [you know where.] Individual decisions would have their own rewards/punishments, but now we have the decision by committee, a faceless, mindless collective that obscures the culprit both in the instigation and the mopping up. Decisions that were made a decade or two ago by people no longer in the positions that called the shots, and we all are now pulling out our wallets. I’m disgusted with the whole lot. Everyone and no one is to blame. I wish I could vote against every one of them.

Liberalism: Equally shared misery.

Becuse the ACORN BS got stripped out!

PaRep (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 6:24PM EST (link)

I wonder what that means.

Flagstaff (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 6:25PM EST (link)

Has anybody attempted to figure it out?

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

The mortgage industry was effectively nationalized

mbecker908 (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 6:27PM EST (link)

with the creation of Fannie & Freddie.

Becuse the ACORN BS got stripped out!

PaRep (Diary) Monday, September 29th at 6:41PM EST (link)