I have yet to see the interviews between Sarah Palin and Charlie Gibson but I have read the transcript and examined the commentary that followed. None of it reflected well on Charlie Gibson, who usually does a good job in his interviews but who botched this one.
The most egregious botching, of course, came when Gibson stated that the Bush Doctrine stated that the United States has the right of “anticipatory self-defense.” As Charles Krauthammer points out, this statement of the Doctrine is nonsensical:
I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term. In the cover essay of the June 4, 2001, issue of the Weekly Standard entitled, “The Bush Doctrine: ABM, Kyoto, and the New American Unilateralism,” I suggested that the Bush administration policies of unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty and rejecting the Kyoto protocol, together with others, amounted to a radical change in foreign policy that should be called the Bush doctrine.
Then came 9/11, and that notion was immediately superseded by the advent of the war on terror. In his address to the joint session of Congress nine days after 9/11, President Bush declared: “Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.” This “with us or against us” policy regarding terror — first deployed against Pakistan when Secretary of State Colin Powell gave President Musharraf that seven-point ultimatum to end support for the Taliban and support our attack on Afghanistan — became the essence of the Bush doctrine.
Until Iraq. A year later, when the Iraq war was looming, Bush offered his major justification by enunciating a doctrine of preemptive war. This is the one Charlie Gibson thinks is the Bush doctrine.
It’s not. It’s the third in a series and was superseded by the fourth and current definition of the Bush doctrine, the most sweeping formulation of the Bush approach to foreign policy and the one that most clearly and distinctively defines the Bush years: the idea that the fundamental mission of American foreign policy is to spread democracy throughout the world. It was most dramatically enunciated in Bush’s second inaugural address: “The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world.”
See also Soren Dayton’s discussion and be sure to follow the links to Clive Crook’s analysis of the matter (one wonders when a certain fellow Atlantic blogger of Crook’s will be honest enough to follow the Crook’s example (I enjoy punning when I can) and note that this “gotcha” moment was anything but). For those who–unlike Andrew Sullivan–are interested in actually getting facts on the nature and evolution of the Bush Doctrine, this post by the Great and Mighty Beldar is indispensable. More on this issue comes from Michael Abramowitz, who also notes that there are different iterations of the Bush Doctrine and that in trying to embarrass Sarah Palin, Charlie Gibson basically ended up embarrassing himself.
So Gibson screwed up. Quite magnificently at that. And he screwed up in another portion of the interview as well. It seems that everyone and their ancestors–stretching back to the Cro-Magnons–is stating that Sarah Palin believes the war in Iraq to be a task that has been handed down from God. As Patterico and Jim Lindgren make clear, however, Palin was actually praying that what was being done in Iraq would be done in line with God’s plan and as she points out in the interview with Gibson, this is entirely consistent with Abraham Lincoln’s prayer that instead of God being on our side, we ought to be on God’s side.
In addition to all of this, there was curious editing going on on the part of ABC. And Gibson’s blatant bias against Palin came through in spades in the interview and may well–if there is any justice in the world–cause a serious backlash against ABC and in favor of Palin.
So Charlie Gibson and ABC flubbed it. Royally. And now they have the nerve to sit idly by while other people claim that it was Sarah Palin who flubbed the interview. Gibson and ABC knew what questions they were out to ask, had the opportunity to do the research and failed completely at the task. The ridicule that should follow for this incompetence will come soon, won’t it?
Steve Maley
Neil Stevens
Daniel Horowitz
Hold on...
StopTheInsanity Sunday, September 14th at 2:48AM EST (link)Wait though. How did Gibson screw up by defining what he thought the doctrine was (which was, actually close to the original creation)? Even if he didn’t define it correctly in the end, him pointing out that she did not have any sort of knowledge about the doctrine is telling (it’s not like he set out to do that, he just asked her and she responded back like a dumbfounded teenager). Sarah should have had an idea of what it was, to begin with. Instead, she said, “In what regard,” and “his worldview” which was a QUESTION. Those sentences speak volumes about what she doesn’t know regarding foreign policy.
Let me chime in one more time
Matthew Morris (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 2:57AM EST (link)I follow this stuff pretty closely. I have heard of the Bush Doctrine. I probably read Krauthammer’s original piece when the term was first used. I am also aware of other iterations or aspects of the “Bush Doctrine” that have appeared over the years.
But when I watched that interview when it first aired, my reaction was EXACTLY that of Sarah Palin’s.
-what the heck could he be talking about?-
In fact, when she followed up by asking if he meant his world view (after having first asked for clarity by saying, “in what respect, Charlie?”)- I thought that was a perfectly reasonable response too. Also in real time.
And lastly, why are you here? Haven’t you learned that RedStaters are too smart for you and your friends?
“I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
Ipsum esse subsistens
To be honest...
StopTheInsanity Sunday, September 14th at 3:05AM EST (link)I love this country and I love that we are both liberal, conservative, republican, democratic, moderate, whatever. I don’t comment on here because I want to spread my worldview (taking from Sarah Palin), instead, I comment because I think it’s interesting and “fun” (if I could use the word) to have a meaningful debate. One of my best friends is a conservative and we talk about this stuff all the time and I’m really not liberal or conservative, I think I’m just common sense. I don’t disregard your opinion, what you think, or anything like that. I signed up here to be educated on a certain point of view and I’m learning a lot. That’s all.
But, I have to say (you knew that was coming), I would love to support Sarah Palin. BUT (again), you say you connected with that “what the heck is he talking about” mentality. That’s fine. However, Sarah Palin is trying to be the VP of this country. It’s ok for you, for me, for any of us not to know what the Bush doctrine is (at least to a degree), but for a person who is running for a major federal position to have no idea what it is is really scary. It’s the reasoning behind the Iraq War, it could explain many wars in the future, and for her to not know what it is, again, terrifying.
StopTheInsanity....
Matthew Morris (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 3:11AM EST (link)Are you following what is being said about this part of the interview? I am thinking not… because the first point is:
Nobody knows what it is, because it is not a single or well defined thing
and the second point is:
Charlie Gibson should have known that, and that it was his blunder to ask the question the way he did, using that terminology. At best, it is a confusing or ambiguous term to even the most well informed. At worst, it is a loaded term intended to make the Neocon Alarms go off in the minds of half (or more) of the viewing audience.
And this moderate/independent stuff has always perplexed me.
“I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
Ipsum esse subsistens
Hey StopTheInsanity
Matthew Morris (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 3:36AM EST (link)I was wondering- do you believe strongly in anything besides not believing strongly in anything?
Just kidding with you- I hope you will consider voting for McCain / Palin this November, especially if you are in an important state! (and down-ballet as well)
“I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
Ipsum esse subsistens
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StopTheInsanity Sunday, September 14th at 4:15AM EST (link)This is absolutely ridiculous. Are you telling me that it’s OKAY for a governor to be nominated for the VP when she has no idea what the Bush Doctrine is? Even if it has evolved, over time, the premise is relatively the same as it was when it was proposed. It’s not Charlie Gibson’s fault that he asked if she believe in it or not. If you watch the interview instead of react to transcription, you see that he didn’t even think that she would wonder what the doctrine is. When he saw an avenue to make a point, that she didn’t know what the doctrine was, that’s not a blunder, it’s called good journalism.
i’m not an obama supporter, but if barack obama had been asked that question, and couldn’t answer it, we’d all be jumping down his throat.
and yes, i believe in many things. one of the things i believe in the most is that stupidity should not help you get elected in politics, yet somehow, sarah palin still stands…
response...
StopTheInsanity Sunday, September 14th at 4:23AM EST (link)This is absolutely ridiculous. Are you telling me that it’s OKAY for a governor to be nominated for the VP when she has no idea what the Bush Doctrine is? Even if it has evolved, over time, the premise is relatively the same as it was when it was proposed. It’s not Charlie Gibson’s fault that he asked if she believe in it or not. If you watch the interview instead of react to transcription, you see that he didn’t even think that she would wonder what the doctrine is. When he saw an avenue to make a point, that she didn’t know what the doctrine was, that’s not a blunder, it’s called good journalism.
i’m not an obama supporter, but if barack obama had been asked that question, and couldn’t answer it, we’d all be jumping down his throat.
and yes, i believe in many things. one of the things i believe in the most is that stupidity should not help you get elected in politics, yet somehow, sarah palin still stands…
NO! No need to discuss Bush Doctrine. After all, All I need to hear is the McCain/Palin Doctrine.
Rod_Patrick (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 5:12AM EST (link)Ask your liberal friends a question for me.
KeyWestConservative (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 5:44AM EST (link)Liberals have, for 8 years, voiced their utter disdain and contempt for George W. Bush and have vilified anyone connected to the man or his ‘doctrine’. Why is it suddenly important whether a republican candidate for vice-president is acquainted with ‘The Bush Doctrine’? Isn’t it much more important to discover what Sarah Palin’s ‘doctrine’ is? And be honest, if Palin were well versed in Bush doctrine and agreed with it, as every thinking American does, would you like her then? Would her agreement with George W. Bush give you comfort and persuade you to vote for the Republican ticket, knowing that the ‘Obama doctrine’ of surrender and appeasement will be disastrous for this county?
Just askin’
“Osama bin Laden was a community organizer. George W. Bush was a governor.”
Opinions from around the world
iand Sunday, September 14th at 5:50AM EST (link)In other blogs on this
site, some have heaped scorn upon those in countries such as Australia, [from where I'm writing] who strongly favour Obama.time when the natural supporters of the U.S, those who regard the U.S as the natural leaders of democratic thought, will be in complete despair.Surely, now Ms Palin has been selected, you know why--this is Serious!
Ms Palin may be a few months from ascending to the presidency. If so it would occur at a
Is this
unreasonable? Your current president has botched international relations completely. Far from showing leadership, he's spuurned the chance to lead a coalition with essentially similar interests. It's not altogether surprising--I think I recall that he'd rarely travelled outside the U.S prior to hiselection.Now the Republicans have chosen as the running mate of a decent 72yo, another person with zero interest or knowledge of the world ouside the U.S. [I have no interest in any internal Alaskan issues]What reaction would you expect this `to produce amongst those who desperately wish the U.S to recover the ground which has been lost.The U.S reputation must be regained-can you be sure it will be?
curious (?) editing
vanekl (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 5:59AM EST (link)Calling the interview editing “curious” is being gracious. I would have used the words purposely deceitful, and have written abc news about it. I understand the media has to sensationalize to sell newspapers and eyeballs, but they crossed the line by willfully biasing their “reporting.” And most of their viewers will not even know of the manipulation. Shameful. Disgusting. Unacceptable.
Bush Doctrine an amorphous inside term
Robert Weaver (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 6:45AM EST (link)A term like the “Bush Doctrine” will only achieve some sort of lasting meaning with the passage of time. Currently, the term is NOT in the popular lexicon. Ask your friends and coworkers or the clerk at WalMart. Knowledge of the term, “Bush Doctrine”, contrary to pundits and so-called journalists, is not a prerequisite to understanding US foreign policy. In fact, harping on this term shows the ignorance of those like Gibson. Sarah Palin spoke clearly of her vision of the US role in the world and the criteria for US action. Contrary to this poster, Gibson, and others, most Americans find it refreshing to hear a leader speak in plain, clear, unambiguous language. This is a great part of the appeal of Sarah Palin. I would trust her in charge far more than all the Charlie Gibsons or State Dept. PhDs.
Big Media UNDERestimating Palin crowds
Jimwriter Sunday, September 14th at 6:54AM EST (link)Check out KRNV TV (krnv.com)’s homepage for a clip of a Reno reporter who attended the Palin rally in Carson City, NV on Saturday, September 13. Contrary to national media reports of a crowd of “5,000″, the reporter at the rally says in the clip that the crowd was “at least 10,000″.
You’ve got to see the clip to feel the enthusiasm of the crowd. Go to local news outlets for McCain/Palin rallies and you get a MUCH better for feel for what is ACTUALLY going on at the rallies, contrary to NYT/Wash Post/ABC reports…..
I isn't "suddenly" important
JohnKaspok Sunday, September 14th at 9:08AM EST (link), but is is an important question, considering the current military situations we are involved in due to Bush’s beliefs about “preventative wars”.
The long, 2 to 3 second pause before she begins her counter-question, combined with a noticeable squirm in her chair, seems to suggest she was caught pretty flat-footed on this question.
But we can’t expect her to learn everything there is to know about foreign policy in a week, now, can we?
Her answer about being able to see Russia from Alaska was probably the worst moment of the interview IMO.
You keep repeating this canard
Elizabeth (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 9:13AM EST (link)You keep repeating as fact the statement that Sarah Palin had no clue what the Bush Doctrine is, based on her response to Charlie Gibson. However, as Cliff May over at the Corner at NRO points out, somebody who was well versed in all the nuanced meanings of the Bush Doctrine gave essentially the same answer when they were interviewed on the topic!
“‘You come of the Lord Adam and the Lady Eve,’ said Aslan. ‘And that is both honour enough to erect the head of the poorest beggar, and shame enough to bow the shoulders of the greatest emperor on earth. Be content.’” — C.S. Lewis’ “Prince Caspian”
Obama's going to jail
JimDandy Sunday, September 14th at 9:30AM EST (link)Barack Hussein Obama must withdraw from the Presidential race and forfeit the election because of his ongoing conspiracies and attempts to overthrow the government of the United States. He has counseled, aided and abetted others to do the same, committing and causing acts of subversion, infiltration, and insurgency in or about Chicago, Illinois, while acting as a covert Marxist propagandist, agitator and indoctrinator, and posing as a community organizer. His acts are “high crimes and misdemeanors,” within the Constitution’s meaning, and disqualify him for the office of President. His acts, and those of his co-conspirators, are also actionable under criminal law.
Bush Doctrine?
BaldyInIllinois Sunday, September 14th at 9:32AM EST (link)I am a well read, well informed college graduate with a consuming interest in foreign policy, but I was unaware that there was a “Bush Doctrine” until Charlie Gibson mentioned it. After reading the leftist apologists for Charlie Gibson, I realize it is now pejorative liberal codespeak for resolute foreign policy, having evolved from Mr. Krauthammer’s original usage. They have learned, much to their chagrin, that the label “cowboy” is not taken as an insult in “flyover” country. So, to term it “Cowboy Diplomacy” would not have the damning effect they want.
I am not surprised that Sarah Palin was momentarily confused by the question. I do not believe she has attended many of the Inside-the-Beltway/ Malibu/ Manhatten parties where Bush-bashing and counting the days until January 20, 2009, are the highlight. She is too busy being Chief Executive of the republic’s largest state and raising a family with an undocumented Guatemalan nanny.
I also find it interesting that the media is spending so much time and expending so much effort to diminish the Republican VP candidate in order bring her closer to the Democrat’s Pesidential candidate. Am I the only one to notice that the media has to set up traps for Sarah Palin in hopes of recording a gaffe, but one needs only turn on a camera at a Joe Biden or Barry O appearance to achieve the same result?
But wait
IndependentfrMI (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 9:42AM EST (link)Barrack Hussein Obama, he is an elected official. The elected officials have passed laws giving themselves immunity from prosecution while executing their official duties.
So does not that make Barrack Hussien Obama immune from prosecution?
But does that include immunity from prosecution for treason?
Is this the "tin-foil hat section"
JohnKaspok Sunday, September 14th at 9:47AM EST (link)of the comments?
And the libs of course...
MelZ (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 9:49AM EST (link)claim that Palin got off easy with softball questions by historically “conservative” Gibson. But, is it not funny that Palin as a VP candidate is being questioned on whether she is ready to be president, but Obama as a Presidential candidate is not. Hell, I wonder if he is even ready to be VP much less President. Even the Democrats don’t discuss Obama’s experience that will lead him to be an effective President, instead they claim that of course he is ready to be President “because he has been campaigning for the last 18 months”.
I was totally turned off by Gibson at the very beginning when he asked Palin if she was being arrogant by her admission of being ready to be VP and perhaps President if it one day came to that. Obama has not been asked if he is ready to be President. Obama has not been accused of being arrogant because he is running for President on such a lean resume. Of course she feels ready…she would not have accepted if she did not. I thought his comment was completely inappropriate and unprofessional.
To the point of the Bush Doctrine…I thought she nailed it. The Dems lost their number one argument of “more of the same”. If she represented another four years of Bush, wouldn’t she have known what Gibson was talking about and answered the qeustion with more rhetoric?
I personally have no problem during an interview with the interviewee asking for clarification to be able to answer a question effectively. On the other hand, I cannot listen to Obama stutter with his “uhms”, and “I-I-I” and “wait a minute, hold ons”. Sarah spoke with eloquance, she answered from her heart instead of pandering. She nailed the interview on all aspects and handled silly-belittling questions with grace.
MelZ
Here is what
mdc (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 9:50AM EST (link)The media and the rest of these folks do not get and never will.
Video shot at the Palin rally in NV yesterday
The people love Sarah Palin
Not because she is a conservative.
Not because she is a women.
Not because she is independent.
Not because she is a Mother.
Not because she is a hunter.
Not because she is a Hockey MOM.
Not because she is smart
Its because of all of those things and none of those things.
People look at Sarah Palin and in her they see themselves.
And every time the MSM takes a swing at her they are really taking a swing at all these people in America that see themselves in Sarah.
Just for you
SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 9:50AM EST (link)______________________________________
Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
Care to elaborate
IndependentfrMI (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 10:03AM EST (link)?
Here ya go :)
JohnKaspok Sunday, September 14th at 10:03AM EST (link)(This is the latest model, with improved Marxist detection capabilities)
Elaborate?
JohnKaspok Sunday, September 14th at 10:07AM EST (link)What is there to say?
Do you think that JimDandy’s type of post add to the credibility of this site?
I mean, please…high crimes and misdemeanors? “Posing” as a community organizer?
Isn’t there enough valid, real world things to criticize Obama for without going off the deep end?
I couldn't get the picture to come up
IndependentfrMI (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 10:13AM EST (link)No I really don’t think the comment leads to credibility. There is the truth about Obama’s character and judgement that is all voters need to know.
“That’s not the person I knew” Obama on the Rev. Wright, William Ayers and Tony Rezko.
You're making the point
reldim (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 10:18AM EST (link)The term has evolved, and has had many meanings to many people. It is still an amorphous term. So why is it a shocking horror that when presented with the question “Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?” the responding party, be it John Q. Public or “foreign policy expert” Joe Biden, would ask something to the effect of “define what you mean by the Bush Doctrine.”
That’s the point. The issue here is that Gibson and the ABC people should have known of the various permutations of the term. That means the question should have been phrased “Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine of preemptive war?” (which is seemingly what Gibson was actually trying to ask), or they should have been much more willing to engage the response question of which Doctrine he meant in asking the question. Instead he ask an ambiguous question and then tried to act like any attempt to clarify the question proved that Palin was a total moron.
Let’s try an experiment – if I ask you “Do you agree with what Joe Biden said yesterday?” would you think it fair of me to then ridicule you for your ignorance if you responded by asking me “well which of his statement’s are we talking about?” It would be a perfectly natural response because, without more, the question could be referring to many different things.
Agreeing with the “Bush Doctrine” depends on what it means:
1. Unilateralism
2. “with us or against us”
3. Preemptive War
4. Actively working to spread Democracy.
Personally, I don’t know that I’d whole-heartedly agree with all 4, but I wouldn’t know how to answer Charlie Gibson until I knew which of the 4 I was talking about.
The sum total: Gibson wasn’t trying to get a real response, he was trying to get a gotcha! and was trying to use a sloppy question to frame the subject. That’s not journalism.
If you honestly desire to StopTheInsanity...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 10:36AM EST (link)reject modern-Liberalism and help us excise the malignant cancer that actively seeks to destroy the foundation of our constitutional republic.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
Mea culpa
BaldyInIllinois Sunday, September 14th at 10:45AM EST (link)I proofread my comment several times and still messed up. It goes to show my brain knew what I meant even though my fingers did not.
I meant to say she is raising a famliy WITHOUT an undocumented Guatemalan nanny. I can hear many of the elite out there protesting “but my nanny isn’t Guatemalan” while missing the whole point.
Once again, sorry. I am not part of the Obama jihad that is spreading scurilous rumors.
Are you telling me that it's OKAY
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 11:15AM EST (link)for a governor to be nominated for the VP when she has no idea what the Bush Doctrine is?
That would be exactly what I’m saying.
I don’t care if Obama knows what it is either. I’m a whole lot more concerned about what McCain and Obama would do with respect to foreign threats than I am with their commentary on the amorphous Bush Doctrine.
Two points. First, the Bush Doctrine is a creation of the media and it exists because it’s been perpetuated by the media as a tool to beat the President. While any one of the press driven iterations may more-or-less describe unique foreign policy actions at any given point in time, there is no continuum of policy that any of the iterations accurately describes. Charles K first defined it, by his own admission, and if you can find anywhere where GWB or any senior Administration official – SoS, SoD, VP – talks specifically about the Bush Doctrine I’ll buy you lunch the next time you’re in Phoenix.
Second, with specific respect to Obama, I don’t care what he “knows” or thinks he knows about the Bush Doctrine because he’s already said he will follow the Clinton Doctrine (my phrase, you heard it here first!) with respect to responding to terrorist actions. He will stand down the military as soon as he can and he will turn the matter of international terrorism over to the DoJ. In other words, he sees – as did Clinton – the international threat of Islamic terrorism not as a threat to our national security, but as a criminal matter.
Given Obama’s stated policy preference, I could care less if he knows what the Bush Doctrine is. His policy preference is what emboldened aQ and led to 911. The war in Iraq, I’m sure you’ll disagree, where we’ve tied up and killed tens of thousands of Islamic terrorists and destroyed (by their admission) their safe havens, their ability to effectively communicate and killed off the bulk of their experienced leadership, is one of – actually THE – major reasons we haven’t been attacked again either at home or abroad. And note, on the anniversary of 911, an aQ spokesman (sorry I don’t have the link handy, I’ll look for it and add it) said their next attack would be against Britain. Note that since 911, all attacks have been against European “soft targets”, countries that kow-tow to Islamic radicals and who reject a military solution to Islamic radicalism/terrorism.
iand..I have to
blueteapot Sunday, September 14th at 11:18AM EST (link)respond to your post, although I’m certain I will be neither articulate enough or persuasive enough in my fumbling attempts. Still, I have to ask you to consider this:
You ask “What reaction would you expect
thisto produce amongst those who desperately wish the U.S to recover the ground which has been lost.The U.S reputation must be regained-can you be sure it will be?”
I answer – I AM AMONG those who desperately wish the US to recover the ground which has been lost. BUT I DISAGREE STRONGLY with you on WHAT THAT GROUND IS!
Your statement stands on the assumption that the US is lesser than it was because it is leading by principle instead of consensus. I personally reject that assumption. IMHO IF, (and it’s a Big IF in my mind), if the US IS lesser today than pre-Bush, it’s because we’ve listened *too much * to folks who’ve gone off the rails, instead of standing firm on principle.
Have you considered the view of events from that angle? That rather than million of Americans being wrong in their perceptions and needing to get more in line with world consensus, that perhaps, just perhaps, it’s the other way around?
The older I get, the more I see what a poison apple these concepts of “Tolerance” and “Consensus” can be. At the best of times, it’s an amoral concept – colored as much by the intent and goal of those invoking it as by any actual fact or event.
Look, as I expected, I’m making a hash of explaining myself here. So I’ll just ask you this. What is it about Barack Obama that makes you believe what he offers is BETTER? I don’t expect any politican (or anyone, for that matter) to get EVERYTHING right. But I don’t see much fruit on (his) vine. At least I see McCain and Palin TRYING to get it right.
KeyWestConservative had it exactly right
Bill S (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 11:27AM EST (link)It is NOT important what she thinks about the Bush Doctrine. The McCain/Palin “doctrine” is the important part. The question SHOULD have been “what is your opinion of preemptive military intervention when the interests of the country are in question?” What George Bush thinks is completely irrelevant now. It does NOT MATTER. It is patently obvious that Gibson was simply trying to trap Palin and make her look foolish. She actually had a golden opportunity to distance the McCain administration from Bush at that point, and unfortunately she missed it.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Hi troll.
mbecker908 (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 11:32AM EST (link)Where’d you cut and paste your silly little response from?
But to address your question, such as it is, no. We don’t, and shouldn’t, give a rat’s tuche about your opinion, or that of the Germans or the Brits or the French or the UN when it comes to who our POTUS should be or what US policy on any subject, but especially international Islamic terrorism, should be.
Your, as in The World’s good opinion of Bill Clinton and his acquiescence to TW’s idea of “good policy” brought us 911, brought you the subway bombings in London and Madrid and is bringing you Islamic Law in Europe and in your home country.
Bottom line Troll, you – as in The World, Bill Clinton and Barack Obama – are W.R.O.N.G. Again. And this time, because you braindead, cowardly pinheads are freely restructuring your legal systems to accommodate the enemy, we may not be able to bail your butts out again. We can protect our own national security interests however. Buy a prayer rug. I’m sure you’ll enjoy living under Islamic Law.
iand, it is only the lefties in this country who
janis (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 11:32AM EST (link)are in despair at the notion that we might not be liked by the rest of the world. The rest of us would much rather see our nation stand strong for principle than for popularity.
Your tone is just the same as the lefties in America–supercilious, and as sneering as Charlie Gibson in his interrogation of Sarah Palin.
You state that you are not interested in the internals of Alaskan politics–now who’s the ignorant one? It is those internals that tell us much about Governor Palin and how she would perform as VP for John McCain. Know anything about the internals of Chicago style politics?
They have a great deal to do with explaining how Obama’s administration (God forbid) would govern.
Lastly, you can’t vote here, so what makes you think anyone here gives a red rat’s behind what you think?
Your opinion is irrelevant
Bill S (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 11:48AM EST (link)Become a US citizen and maybe we’ll care.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
this is the part
streiff (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 11:48AM EST (link)you guys don’t (can’t) get and why you sound so silly.
Obama is less qualified for the presidency than Palin. The only reason you are concerned with Palin’s credentials is because you like the notion of having Obama in power. This makes you shill.
And this American is much happier with our place in the world today than at any time since 1991.
“What keeps me here is the reek of beer, the ladies and the craic”
your post reads like a ransom note
David Hinz (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 11:53AM EST (link)pieced together from newspapers and magazines to hide your identity — or in this case, lack of cognitive skills.
Your ramblings likewise are pieced together as though you are fading in and out of coherence and reality.
Hope you are able to kick that drug thing…
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She did fine
MainelyFree Sunday, September 14th at 11:55AM EST (link)I think she did fine in the interview and Gibson did OK as well. The question was a tough question, but she could have asked him to elaborate. Maybe when she has some more “spotlight” time under her belt she’ll handle poorly worded questions better.
However, it only reinforces my belief that she isn’t ready. What if Putin asked a question like that… OK, maybe that’s not fair, but she is green in foreign policy and security. Let’s face it. I think if McCain was honest when he introduced her by saying something to the effect that “I didn’t pick her for her experience but her potential” I would be more comfortable.
But as it is right now, I feel like McCain is just marketing her to me. Stop the shenanigans and just give us the facts! Run on your clean record on earmarks not her dirty one.
Good Points
JohnKaspok Sunday, September 14th at 12:07PM EST (link)I would disagree that it isn’t important for her to know and be able to talk fluently about the “Bush Doctrine” (even given it’s fluid definition, I think most people associate it with some type of preemptive or preventative war), but would agree that the question you posed would have been much better and given us a real idea of what her beliefs are.
Don't worry too much.
redmanrt Sunday, September 14th at 12:37PM EST (link)I check the Intrade quotes several times a day, and McCain’s progress is steady and inexorable. Be sure that the deocrats are following this too. I feel, no I glory in their pain. Is that disrespectful?
Intrade
redmanrt Sunday, September 14th at 12:45PM EST (link)By the way, for a couple of days early last week there were strange swings in the presidential quotes, as though someone were trying to prop up Obama’s value. If I were Axelrod/Plouffe/Soros, that’s what I would do.
5 Baldy
Matthew Morris (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 1:00PM EST (link)This point is not emphasized enough. I have mentioned it here and there, but your comment says it best.
It would have been only slightly more unprofessional if Charlie Gibson had asked her, “Governor Palin, how many fewer neocons are you and John McCain going to have in your administration?”
“I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
Ipsum esse subsistens
I will see your 5 and raise you 5
Shaggy_Dog (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 2:01PM EST (link)The section of Baldy’s comment you highlight exactly hits it on the head.
Good faith liberal lurkers, try to understand this- while it seems the “Bush Doctrine” is a frequently used pejorative term on the left for President Bush’s foreign policy, it is a term that is simply not familiar to those of us on the right.
I will speak only for myself here- as someone who voted for Bush twice and continues to have an overall favorable view of him- I am generally happy with the outcomes of his foreign policy at this point, I am very unhappy with his ability to articulate his principles, defend his actions and debate his opponents. Therefore to hear a phrase thrown around like “Bush Doctrine” that implies there is some succicnt, coherent well articulated tenet that captures the core essence of President Bush’s foreign policy is a little laughable.
Even the meaning that Gibson ascribes to it has been more or less abandoned in practice.
I have come to understand that this term is very familiar to folks on the left, but left leaners, you need to understand it is a term that is not familiar (and perhaps marginally laughable) to us on the right who have endeavored to defend President Bush the last 8 years.
That is why Palin’s response on the topic is basically meaningless to us. If you want to undermine her, you are better served trying to pick apart other segments of the interview.
Speaking of bad journalism
wrwom Sunday, September 14th at 2:02PM EST (link)Comparing Gibson’s interviews with Obama and Palin points out just how biased his “journalism” is.
Nancy Kallitechnis at Journal of Feminist Insight gives the following summary of the questions asked of the two.
Thanks to “Dimsdale” commenting at Michelle Malkin’s blog for pointing out this link.
Ground Rule Double
Kevin Forrester (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 2:08PM EST (link)Given the lack of any negative commentary in this post directed to any response by Governor Palin to any other question posed to her by Charles Gibson during his two-day interview designed solely to embarrass her, I think it’s fair to conclude that she teed up Mr. Gibson and knocked him out of the park on every other question. Her response to the “Bush Doctrine” question can fairly be called a Ground Rule Double.
Kevin Forrester
Your bias is showing!
skorrent Sunday, September 14th at 2:19PM EST (link)“…she could have asked him to elaborate.”
That’s precisely what she did:
“in what respect, Charlie?”
“What if Putin asked a question like that..” is a preposterous hypothetical. Even Nixon’s “kitchen confrontation” came after years of VP preparation and with much State support.
Palin supports rape
herveduchat Sunday, September 14th at 2:44PM EST (link)Read this and realize that she MUST be stopped:
Palin’s town billed rape victims to get evidence
By MARY PEMBERTON – 2 days ago
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) — When Sarah Palin was mayor of Wasilla, the city billed sexual assault victims and their insurance companies for the cost of rape kits and forensic examinations.
Palin had been in office for four years when the practice of charging rape victims got the attention of state lawmakers in 2000, who passed a bill to stop the practice.
Former Democratic Rep. Eric Croft, who sponsored that bill, said he was disappointed that simply asking the Wasilla police department to stop didn’t work. Croft said he doubts she was unaware of the practice.
Alaska routinely has the nation’s highest rate of sexual assault.
Lawmakers became involved in 2000 when reports began coming in that police departments were charging sexual assault victims for the kits and the forensic exams, which cost from $300 to $1,200 at the time. The kit, a package of sample containers, swabs and other medical supplies, is used to collect evidence from women after they are attacked.
Then-Gov. Tony Knowles said Thursday that Wasilla was unique in the state in charging rape victims for the cost of doing the law enforcement necessary for solving the crime.
The bill passed the Legislature over the objections of Wasilla police chief Charlie Fannon, who said it would require the city to come up with more money to cover the costs of buying the rape kits and doing the exams.
Begone
SteveLA (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 2:56PM EST (link)Well that’s special!
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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests
Oh Charlie
madtrapper (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 5:05PM EST (link)All questions and answers aside, I found the body language actually pathetic! Chin down, peeking over his reading goggles, stiff lipped and giving the all around appearance of a bully. What I saw was some form of superiority he was trying to portray. He never would have done that to his girl, Hilzilla.
It is pretty clear the socialists, the media and Hollywood Hippies just don’t like her because she is a true threat to their aganda, period! A candidate who actually believes in a republic with a constitution is just not what they want.
Vote For Barry – He has the final solution!
Bush Doctrine vs. Freedom Agenda
DC71 (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 7:26PM EST (link)There is a lot of misrepresentation and misconception as to the working names of Bush foreign policy ideas being pushed in reaction to Palin’s performance, especially in Krauthammer’s article. What he is describing as the fourth Bush Doctrine, is not in fact the Bush Doctrine. He’s actually referring to the Freedom Agenda. I know it sounds just like jargon, but in reality there is a difference. If you look at White House press releases, and the stuff coming out of the State Department, programs related to the development of democracy are aways discussed as being part of the Freedom Agenda. The Bush Doctrine, at least in State Department and International NGO circles (those are the people I am most connected to here in DC) is as Gibson stated it was, the use of preemptive military force against potential threats. Promoting democracy abroad falls under the guise of the Freedom Agenda. There is a difference, at least to individuals working here in DC on foreign policy matters. Anyway who tries to tell you they are the same is either lying, doesn’t know what they are talking about, or are trying really hard to make Palin seem like she was knowledgable on this issue. Listen, she screwed up. It’s ok. What drives me insane is feeding people false information, like the Bush Doctrine has no set meaning, to try to smooth it over. Dumbing down the electorate is not the way to win an election. I hope both sides will stop with this from now on, but I doubt it.
...here in DC
BaldyInIllinois Sunday, September 14th at 10:47PM EST (link)DC71 provides a nice explanation of the differences between the Bush Doctrine and the Freedom Agenda, but also illistrates the point about the “inside the beltway” mentality. I do not fault DC71 for knowing and caring about the differences, but DC71 misses the point that it only matters to the wonks working on it daily. To the “great unwashed” in the hinterland the difference is academic. I am sorry that drives DC71 crazy.
I could hold forth ad-nauseum regard the different physical and chemical properties of various types of steel and the uses of each type, but, as long as the crane or bridge or building containing the steel does not collapse, it doesn’t matter to most people.
Why it matters....
DC71 (Diary) Sunday, September 14th at 11:40PM EST (link)I see what you’re saying, but I have a couple issues with it. First, my big issue isn’t people outside the field, or outside DC, not knowing the difference. My issue is with Krauthammer, and other conservative authors, who do, or at least should, know the difference between the two, tell you there isn’t one. It enrages me that as he pretends to correct Gibson, he is in fact getting it wrong. My stance has always been if you aren’t 100% sure what you are talking about, you probably should shut your mouth instead of spreading false facts. Like I said, passing on incorrect information dumbs down the electorate, and hurts our Democracy.
I’m also troubled by the inside the beltway thing you said. I know it’s unpopular to defend DC, but honestly, this is where policy is made, and you should know the system works. I don’t mean the failed partisan rancor, lobbyists, and all that crap people hate about business in DC. Most of us living here hate that too. I mean the part that does work. That’s government officals, elected and non, working with policy experts to come up solid solutions to problems. If you want to govern effectively, you should know how experts in the field and practicioners, be them think tank people at Heritage, Brookings, or Center for American Progress, or diplimats and military officials at State, DHS and DoD look at these concepts to create policy. You don’t have to know everything to be an effective leader, but you should know the basics so it’s easier for your advisors to help guide you in making the correct decision. And in making the correct decisions, knowing these concepts do matter. That is why this is important. It’s not for the policy wonks, but it shows an ability to understand the greater concepts that will be dealing with if elected.
To use your steel example, I agree it is fine for an average person not to care what kind of steel goes into making a bridge, but they should care that the person who IS building the bridge knows what they’re doing. Palin is running to be one of the people building that bridge, and if you’re gonna be building it, you better damn well know what kind of steel you’re using. But that’s just my take.