In my book I talk about how Republicans are for the most part gracious losers in political elections whereas Democrats are both sore winners and losers. In looking at the elections over the past decade most of the litigation and fights over “so called” election fraud and voter intent has been initiated by the Democrats. The most notable contested election was obviously the 2000 Presidential Election. Al Gore certainly was entitled to a recount in Florida, however after the recount was complete it should have ended. I do not think any election should be decided by canvassing boards interpreting “voter intent” or judges doing the same. It is easy to vote and to follow the rules and if someone cannot do that their vote should not count. Many people investigated the 2000 Presidential election many years after Gore conceded. The end result was that Bush won the election even after using the most liberal voter intent rules. Also, none of the recounts accounted for the media calling the state before mostly conservative people in Florida’s Panhandle could vote. Liberal estimates concede this cost Bush at least 5 thousand votes. My point: more times than not the person that wins the first count, wins the election. In 2004, the Democrats were complaining about Ohio, which Bush won by well over 100 thousand votes. In 2006, the Democrats won nearly two thirds of the elections decided by 1 percentage point or less. However, no Republicans contested the results after the recount verified they did in fact lose. In fact, Virginia Senator, George Allen, lost to Democrat Jim Webb by few than 6,000 votes out of over 3 million cast. However, Allen conceded the next day without a full recount. It was the right thing to do. The only contested election in 2006 was for Florida 13th District where Democrat Christine Jennings lost to Republican Buchanan by a mere 369 votes. It only seems that a Democrat can have an election stolen from them. The litigation over Florida’s 13th District continued for two years until the two met again in an election for the same seat in 2008 that Buchanan won handily.
There is something to be said for losing gracefully and being the bigger person. Someone has got to lose and not much is gained by constant litigation and leaving democracy hanging in the balance and in the hands of the courts and canvassing boards. Sure it is a tough pill to swallow losing an election by a few measly votes, but the country has to move on. Every person in their life time has lost doing something in a close or heartbreak fashion. It happens, but everyone picks themselves up and moves one. I think Coleman has had ample time (over 6 months) and opportunity to state his case. The time to move on has come and gone. Sure, I want Coleman to keep his seat, but to continue the fight is not helping either Coleman’s image or the Republican brand for losing graciously. Sure, having Al Franken in the Senate will be a nightmare. His presence gives the Democrats a filibuster proof majority with 60 votes. The Democrats are basically filibuster proof right now anyway. There are still plenty of moderate Republicans the Democrats can pick off on critical votes, such as Maine’s duo of Snowe and Collins who already flipped on the Obama stimulus package. Franken’s liberal policies and beliefs may make Obama, Reed, and Pelosi look like right wing radicals. However, if we look on the bright side, the sooner Franken shows his inability to govern and his misguided views, the sooner the Republicans can use him as a poster boy to start their comeback.
For the sake of being consistent, I thought Gore and other Democrats should have conceded their elections sooner. Thus, I am saying Coleman should concede his fight to Franken even if the circumstances are different than those Democrat contested elections.
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No way...
securitymom (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 4:50PM EST (link)At least right now there is hope that we can hold back the Dem’s. I don’t even want to think about what changes Will be made if there is complete control.
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WRONG Norm Coleman should fight it to the Supreme Court....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 5:04PM EST (link)and hopefully that will take until 2010!
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Exactly, Franken is a vote thief
Beaglescout (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 5:09PM EST (link)The point needs to be made continually, continuously, and not just up in Minnesota, but by every Republican everywhere. The Democrats are the party of vote thievery, they have always been the party of vote thievery, and they must have it nailed into their hide.
Keep on going Normie! Let’s see if we can get Rush and Sean and the others to start blowing this horn.
“A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one.”
:considering: Naah.
Moe Lane (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 5:13PM EST (link)We’ll play this one out.
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Absolutely NOT - equal voting standards from District to District within states MUST be fought for....
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 5:27PM EST (link)Things have for too long gotten out of control with Voting manipulation/fraud/etc….
Early voting – Early- (and the new Late-) Voting trends
+MSM bias – MSM bias
+Voting psych Bandwagoning – Voting Psychology (Bandwagon and other effects)
None of that even begins to go into the ACORN meddling in ever more locations’ elections with Dead voters, Fictitional voters, etc… [see: RS:Search: Voter Fraud
This Election is more than just about COLEMAN/FRANKEN!!!!
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“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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that is the key JLD, reco'ed for discussion - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 8:07PM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
great point GC, it's a Reco all for the disent against the Diary notion (ut)
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 8:17PM EST (link)unrelated-text (related to topic, but not comment title response…. whatever, you get the new tag or don’t
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Early voting – Early- (and the new Late-) Voting trends
+MSM bias – MSM bias
+Voting psych Bandwagoning – Voting Psychology (Bandwagon and other effects)
Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)
thx for the links - nt
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 9:13AM EST (link)Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
not just no, but h-e-l-l no!
Darin_H (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 6:38PM EST (link)2800+ dead people voted. I care less about Norm winning the seat than making an example out of the voter fraud. This has much larger implications on our entire electoral process. Not only should Norm fight on, he should be taking his case to the public, often.
A visionary coward says that anger can be power, as long as there’s a victim on TV – Flat Top, Goo Goo Dolls
No.
icbm (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 6:40PM EST (link)And Gore was right to fight, too.
You think like McCain – whatever you do, just make sure you don’t offend the other side.
well, but Gore actually conceded first and so by retracting his initial concession greatly damaged America
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 9:17AM EST (link)He was the first to retract a concession in American history, breaking a tradition that set us apart in world history and poisoning our politics with his disingenuous claim that he won Florida and in the way he sought selective recounts and by differing standards and by trying to exclude the votes of armed forces from overseas.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
the more i think about it, the more i agree with you
icbm (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 3:19PM EST (link)darn it, devine
thx missile, and also consider the wisdom of Nixon
Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 4:06PM EST (link)who refused to contest WVa, Alabama and Texas in 1960 for the good of the country with mush more basis than Gore and that Nixon didn’t prematurely concede.
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” – Andrew Jackson
that's actually exactly what i was pondering!
icbm (Diary) Monday, June 15th at 11:04AM EST (link)you read my mind
Losing Gracefully Is Losing....
rcov092 (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 6:48PM EST (link)the Republic is at stake. We are at war with a ruthless enemy. We face total destruction if we do not fight in kind,
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The number 60 has no magic powers.
bantamwait (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 8:47PM EST (link)There is no Constitutional sanction for the 2/3ds rule. The Dems will still have to cobble together 60 votes by winning over moderates like Landrieu, both Nelsons, Baucus, Pryor; Lieberman is a loose cannon; and the Dems will find the turncoat Specter undependable and unreliable (they are welcome to him).
The Republic is not at stake over 60, in any event, as we made clear in 2005. The magic number is 51, and the Dems can invoke the nuclear option any time they are willing to face the firestorm..
Let’s send the Marines to evacuate refugees from Libya and shut down the drug gangs in Mexico–and make the Marine hymn relevant again.
The other thing to consider is the fact that they passed the 60 vote threshhold with only 57 Dems
AceInTX (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 10:28PM EST (link)because Snowe, Collins, and a couple others are dependable votes for them in a pinch!
As I recall, Lieberman isn't counted among the 60.
Chemical Sam (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 10:33PM EST (link)He is Lieberman (I), as in Independant.
Currently 60 votes is enough to make the Senate filibuster-proof, which is the main device given to the minority party in the Senate. Basically, anything that the D’s ram through the House is guaranteed to pass if the Senate D’s see fit to vote unanimously.
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Not bad considering the forces arrayed against small business these days.
Let’s see about actually making some serious profit this year. Shameless capitalism, by:
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He caucuses w/ the Dems, and holds seniority which could be stripped
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 12:19AM EST (link)But for foreign policy, he walks like a Dem, quacks like a Dem, etc…
Bernie Sanders (I-VT) [I=Socialist, for real, in this case]
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 12:17PM EST (link)and has always caucuses with the Democrats also, though they are often not Socialistic enough for him he is an automatic vote for them.
Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
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Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)
Franken should concede
red4ever (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 7:43PM EST (link)by your reasoning, the person who wins the first recount should be the winner and no court fight. I believe it was Franken who filed the first court case. Before they could make up more votes, Coleman won the recount.
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5x5. Agree. Bush won his election and so did Coleman
David123 (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 9:37PM EST (link)Bush also won all the recounts
Coleman did not win all the recounts. But how do we know which recount is right? Why are some recounts better than the election day count.
Perhaps when there is a really close election, and some days one candidate wins the recount and other days the other candidate wins the recount, a second election should be held.
David123
To hell with "losing gracefully"
Bill S (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 8:27PM EST (link)The Dems don’t “lose gracefully”. Screw that. We have a Marxist/Socialist in office who is trying to destroy every shred of decency and good this country had.
We use *every* *single* *weapon* in our arsenal to beat these scumbags. And if there was ever a scumbag that warranted the use of every trick, dirty or no, in beating him, it is Al Franken.
“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins
Show me a good loser and I'll show you...
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 12:20AM EST (link)a loser
2nd place is 1st loser. nt
Common_Cents (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 3:37PM EST (link)Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
Nope - I'm so done with "nice"
civil truth (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 8:33PM EST (link)We’ll never be loved – so let’s fight for what’s right until they pry that subpoena from my cold, dead fingers.
Accomodation is the fast-track to becoming road kill under Obama’s bus.
The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis
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no sale
Common_Cents (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 8:33PM EST (link)Coleman has a right to a fair election under the law.
I wouldn’t care if Coleman was the 100th vote for REPS in a majority. I wouldn’t concede if I had a legitimate case.
Obama=Golfer in Chief, Leading from,
behind, the Back Nine.Leaders don’t create movements. Movements create leaders. Get involved. Your future depends on it.
Govt “invests” YOUR tax money for POLITICAL return rather than economic return.
More specifically the People have a right to a free and fair election.
Chemical Sam (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 10:36PM EST (link)and the People have a right to choose their elected officials
not dead people, just the People.
Coleman has no right to misrepresent his voters by conceding a patently fraudulent vote count.
vox Populi, baby!
Criterion Chemical was in the black for FY2010!
Not bad considering the forces arrayed against small business these days.
Let’s see about actually making some serious profit this year. Shameless capitalism, by:
www.criterionchemical.com
If I Could, I'd Unrecommend This Diary
IJB Thursday, June 11th at 9:37PM EST (link)You couldn’t be more wrong if you tried, IMO.
exactly why I reco'd... for people to see it and dispute it
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 10:24PM EST (link)Reco doesn’t mean AGREEMENT but that it is Reco to be seen/read… and in this case… DISPUTED.
Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
Follow @JLenardDetroit
(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)
ditto --nt--
6eorge Jetson (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 12:21AM EST (link)A reco doesn't have to be 100% agreement, just that it is an important discussion topic
JLenardDetroit (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 12:51AM EST (link)but some probably view that differently
Regards from NoMoTown (the MOTORlessCITY)
“Liberals, looking to do for? America what they’ve done for? Detroit! which is DESTROY IT!”
“I think, therefore I am Conservative”
“Conservative by choice, Republican by necessity”
“You can lead a Liberal to the Truth/Facts, but you cannot make them THINK!”
“Romney [No, not my first choice] does NOT have a MORMON problem. He has a, far too many Americans; these days; are MORONS problem!”
Follow @JLenardDetroit
(RS:Help) (JLD) (Hollyweird) (Brain-deads) (SPIN-cycle) (Obamaocare) (Party of kNOw) (Conservatism) (TEApeats) (respectful) (message) (Warning: Children Will Die!!)
Heil “O” Hell No Obamao is NOT MY PRESIDENT! “No U won’t”
I want “O” to FAIL (here, here, & whole Diary (Ofail) here, is why)
“The first Liberal was Satan” – a Rush caller (other Quotes)
Agreed.
OccamsRazor (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 12:56AM EST (link)A monumental difference between the Right and the left-a genuine diversity in _ideas_.
I ought to accentuate _genuine_
OccamsRazor (Diary) Friday, June 12th at 1:01AM EST (link)or clarify “diversity” here with “discussion”.
Go start a third party.
mbecker908 (Diary) Thursday, June 11th at 10:12PM EST (link)Or just go to hell.
There is absolutely nothing here to discuss. Except maybe why Moe let you live.
In my opinion
BAW Thursday, June 11th at 11:04PM EST (link)One of the main problems with Republicans is that they won’t fight. (Liberals never stop fighting. They fight long, hard and dirty.)
So I’m assuming Coleman is more conservative than republican and he’s fighting for principles. I say more power to him!