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		<title>By: Menlo</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-129</link>
		<dc:creator>Menlo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 05:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Somehow, I doubt one would find such an ad for a man. Where did the double standard for men and women come from? Men always seem to get a pass. The British papers before have dedicated stories to adult women who have remained pure their whole lives as though they were museum exhibits that belonged under glass (much as the mainstream media sees Christians who take their faith seriously).

Anyway, is virginity not something women (or society) values as much in men? 

I don&#039;t get it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Somehow, I doubt one would find such an ad for a man. Where did the double standard for men and women come from? Men always seem to get a pass. The British papers before have dedicated stories to adult women who have remained pure their whole lives as though they were museum exhibits that belonged under glass (much as the mainstream media sees Christians who take their faith seriously).</p>
<p>Anyway, is virginity not something women (or society) values as much in men? </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get it.</p>
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		<title>By: Jaded</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-128</link>
		<dc:creator>Jaded</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:05:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>be learing perhaps salivating :-)</description>
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		<title>By: Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But what I have seen on more than one occasion where I live are women who choose to stay with men not because they love them, but because they&#039;re the best they can find:

They&#039;re not drug addicts, criminals, or people who will scream at them and/or smack them around.  You&#039;d be surprised what else they&#039;ll tolerate when those criteria are met, and it&#039;s a lot.  Throw in being halfway decent with their children and that seals the deal, and you get a lot of people like the ones I see here in Massachusetts...serially unmarried &quot;unconventional&quot; family structures, kind of making it from one month to the next.

Massachusetts loves those kinds of families, because they fly apart very easily and the pieces of them all need State assistance.

The problem is that men themselves have been devalued to the point that a lot of good women are having to choose the &quot;best of the dregs.&quot;  Men allowed this to happen to themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But what I have seen on more than one occasion where I live are women who choose to stay with men not because they love them, but because they&#8217;re the best they can find:</p>
<p>They&#8217;re not drug addicts, criminals, or people who will scream at them and/or smack them around.  You&#8217;d be surprised what else they&#8217;ll tolerate when those criteria are met, and it&#8217;s a lot.  Throw in being halfway decent with their children and that seals the deal, and you get a lot of people like the ones I see here in Massachusetts&#8230;serially unmarried &#8220;unconventional&#8221; family structures, kind of making it from one month to the next.</p>
<p>Massachusetts loves those kinds of families, because they fly apart very easily and the pieces of them all need State assistance.</p>
<p>The problem is that men themselves have been devalued to the point that a lot of good women are having to choose the &#8220;best of the dregs.&#8221;  Men allowed this to happen to themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Kowalski</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-126</link>
		<dc:creator>Kowalski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to say that the only women I&#039;ve really loved in my life began their relationships with me as chaste, including the one that I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.  We spent more than year learning to be friends before we slept together and I don&#039;t think that was time misspent:  from the point of view of our relationship at the time, it made it much stronger -- and much, much more difficult to sever.

The absolute worst and shortest-lived relationships, if you can even call them that, were the ones based on instant gratification.  There were a few, and I&#039;m quite sure that both parties regretted, or at the very least felt bittersweet about them afterward.

Aside from that, never neglect the Fark Factor in news that is reported by the Daily Telegraph.  It&#039;s a painful lesson to learn.  Remember:  it&#039;s not news, it&#039;s Fark!

I have the feeling that most people still aren&#039;t promiscuous:  they tend to joke around more than they&#039;re serious about spreading it around.  That&#039;s because both men and women still know, despite all the licenses society has given them, that when you love someone, you really do love them, or something is wrong, probably with both of you.

It would be nice if more music reflected that again, though.  There really aren&#039;t very many good love songs today.  I miss that.  I miss songs like this:

&lt;object width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;344&quot;&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;movie&quot; value=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/e3YSHwJ_SAA&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowFullScreen&quot; value=&quot;true&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;param name=&quot;allowscriptaccess&quot; value=&quot;always&quot;&gt;&lt;/param&gt;&lt;embed src=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/v/e3YSHwJ_SAA&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&quot; type=&quot;application/x-shockwave-flash&quot; allowscriptaccess=&quot;always&quot; allowfullscreen=&quot;true&quot; width=&quot;425&quot; height=&quot;344&quot;&gt;&lt;/embed&gt;&lt;/object&gt;

This is just one of the simpler ones, there are many, many others.  The world has become much coarser in that sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say that the only women I&#8217;ve really loved in my life began their relationships with me as chaste, including the one that I wanted to spend the rest of my life with.  We spent more than year learning to be friends before we slept together and I don&#8217;t think that was time misspent:  from the point of view of our relationship at the time, it made it much stronger &#8212; and much, much more difficult to sever.</p>
<p>The absolute worst and shortest-lived relationships, if you can even call them that, were the ones based on instant gratification.  There were a few, and I&#8217;m quite sure that both parties regretted, or at the very least felt bittersweet about them afterward.</p>
<p>Aside from that, never neglect the Fark Factor in news that is reported by the Daily Telegraph.  It&#8217;s a painful lesson to learn.  Remember:  it&#8217;s not news, it&#8217;s Fark!</p>
<p>I have the feeling that most people still aren&#8217;t promiscuous:  they tend to joke around more than they&#8217;re serious about spreading it around.  That&#8217;s because both men and women still know, despite all the licenses society has given them, that when you love someone, you really do love them, or something is wrong, probably with both of you.</p>
<p>It would be nice if more music reflected that again, though.  There really aren&#8217;t very many good love songs today.  I miss that.  I miss songs like this:</p>
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<p>This is just one of the simpler ones, there are many, many others.  The world has become much coarser in that sense.</p>
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		<title>By: scottbomb</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-125</link>
		<dc:creator>scottbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then it&#039;s free speech!</description>
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		<title>By: bs</title>
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		<dc:creator>bs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:32:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If she was in Nevada, probably not a problem.  But CA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If she was in Nevada, probably not a problem.  But CA?</p>
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		<title>By: scottbomb</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-123</link>
		<dc:creator>scottbomb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A sucker is born every day and I&#039;m glad to see there isn&#039;t a shortage! I sure would like to get my hands on the list of bidders.

Now if you&#039;ll excuse me, I need to go find that deed to the Brooklyn Bridge. I know it&#039;s around here somewhere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A sucker is born every day and I&#8217;m glad to see there isn&#8217;t a shortage! I sure would like to get my hands on the list of bidders.</p>
<p>Now if you&#8217;ll excuse me, I need to go find that deed to the Brooklyn Bridge. I know it&#8217;s around here somewhere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: maddog</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-122</link>
		<dc:creator>maddog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 00:23:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why pay $3.7 million for one virgin when Allah can give you 72 for.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why pay $3.7 million for one virgin when Allah can give you 72 for&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:35:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I first heard about it almost a year ago and went looking
You can find it on the website for the Kitty Kat Club in Nevada.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I first heard about it almost a year ago and went looking<br />
You can find it on the website for the Kitty Kat Club in Nevada.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Cella</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-120</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Cella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ll noticed that while I put out the pedantry, Francis added the true humor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ll noticed that while I put out the pedantry, Francis added the true humor.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-119</link>
		<dc:creator>Aaron Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Paul Cella</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Cella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>again for the rhetorical elisions, While virginity is not a category that if lost, can ever be recovered, purity and chastity certainly are. So a woman may restore them  -- in true marriage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>again for the rhetorical elisions, While virginity is not a category that if lost, can ever be recovered, purity and chastity certainly are. So a woman may restore them  &#8212; in true marriage.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Cella</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-117</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Cella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could be wholly bogus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could be wholly bogus.</p>
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		<title>By: Tbone</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>Tbone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 22:04:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8347 results. There must be a real one in there somewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8347 results. There must be a real one in there somewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hinz</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-115</link>
		<dc:creator>David Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that very sentence has application in politics as well, on several other postings today!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that very sentence has application in politics as well, on several other postings today!</p>
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		<title>By: lapert</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-114</link>
		<dc:creator>lapert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:54:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really get the irony you are trying to claim. I mean, the men certainly aren&#039;t valuing her chastity - they are seeking to destroy it. As for valuing her purity, maybe they are doing but not as a thing to admire but as a thing to claim as one&#039;s own - I mean they aren&#039;t valuing her for her purity and chastity at all they are bidding on a one night stand. It seems more like they are valuing some sort of fetish and noteriaty above anything (certainly they aren&#039;t expecting good sex from a virgin).

And, since the idea came from the experience of her sister, whose chastity and purity was certainly gone by the end of the first week if she ever had it at all, I think the woman&#039;s observation is a fair one.

I also think it naive to claim that chastity is the power of female sexuality - there is a reason prostitution is called the oldest profession and it is not because men like to pay for chastity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really get the irony you are trying to claim. I mean, the men certainly aren&#8217;t valuing her chastity &#8211; they are seeking to destroy it. As for valuing her purity, maybe they are doing but not as a thing to admire but as a thing to claim as one&#8217;s own &#8211; I mean they aren&#8217;t valuing her for her purity and chastity at all they are bidding on a one night stand. It seems more like they are valuing some sort of fetish and noteriaty above anything (certainly they aren&#8217;t expecting good sex from a virgin).</p>
<p>And, since the idea came from the experience of her sister, whose chastity and purity was certainly gone by the end of the first week if she ever had it at all, I think the woman&#8217;s observation is a fair one.</p>
<p>I also think it naive to claim that chastity is the power of female sexuality &#8211; there is a reason prostitution is called the oldest profession and it is not because men like to pay for chastity.</p>
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		<title>By: David Hinz</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Hinz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:53:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;One might observe that the whole impetus for her offer was a keen insight into how highly prized purity still is, even refracted through a distorting lens of degradation.&quot;


A-freaking-Men!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;One might observe that the whole impetus for her offer was a keen insight into how highly prized purity still is, even refracted through a distorting lens of degradation.&#8221;</p>
<p>A-freaking-Men!</p>
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		<title>By: zuiko</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>zuiko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:53:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article is pretty short on facts, the most basic being where this was listed. This wouldn&#039;t be allowed on something like ebay, and even if she listed this there hoping it would run up in price (and get attention) before being deleted, she is just going to to just get crazy illegitimate bids. There will never be any transaction. There&#039;s also the issue that this is an illegal contract she wants to enter into here. Might be kind of difficult for either party to try to enforce that contract. So I don&#039;t buy it.

As for the value... If this woman is willing to sell herself as a common prostitute to the highest bidder, where is the purity? There isn&#039;t any. She had demonstrated far less purity than most sexually experienced women as a consequence of her offer of prostitution (bogus or real).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article is pretty short on facts, the most basic being where this was listed. This wouldn&#8217;t be allowed on something like ebay, and even if she listed this there hoping it would run up in price (and get attention) before being deleted, she is just going to to just get crazy illegitimate bids. There will never be any transaction. There&#8217;s also the issue that this is an illegal contract she wants to enter into here. Might be kind of difficult for either party to try to enforce that contract. So I don&#8217;t buy it.</p>
<p>As for the value&#8230; If this woman is willing to sell herself as a common prostitute to the highest bidder, where is the purity? There isn&#8217;t any. She had demonstrated far less purity than most sexually experienced women as a consequence of her offer of prostitution (bogus or real).</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Cella</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-111</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Cella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was pretty slippery with terms.

But of course the virtue of chastity is fully compatible with the sacrament of marriage. The idea that the Christian tradition &quot;hates&quot; sex is perfect stupidity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was pretty slippery with terms.</p>
<p>But of course the virtue of chastity is fully compatible with the sacrament of marriage. The idea that the Christian tradition &#8220;hates&#8221; sex is perfect stupidity.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Cella</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/paul_j_cella/2009/01/12/virginity-for-sale/#comment-110</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Cella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2009 21:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s a good line.

But I did not present it as an instance of moral decay. I presented it as an instance of irony.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a good line.</p>
<p>But I did not present it as an instance of moral decay. I presented it as an instance of irony.</p>
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