We have to say NO to anything they want to do…… No to BOTH parties.

Grind Congress to a halt until this corruption garbage is flushed out, no matter how high up it goes.

“Baucus (haven’t heard Obama on this): Everyone will have to have coverage

Republicans: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh”

So you send people to JAIL for not buying your over-mandated expensive ‘exchange’ care?

Any bill with MANDATES is evil, wrong and freedom-and-prosperity destroying.

Any bill with HIGHER TAXES should get ZERO GOP votes. Any bill that forces small business to pay an 8% payroll tax or load up on expensive health insurance for all is a bad bill.

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/

The risk now is to have a bill 80% as bad as full Obamacare. Take off the table Government run ‘option’… but keep the 53 agencies, the $900 billion price tag, the higher taxes, the Medicare squeeze, the unfunded mandates, and the freedom-destroying individual mandate and job-killing employer mandate on healthcare. They will throw in monkey-wrenching the health insurance market with ‘community rating’, a way to shifts costs from unhealthy to healthy people.

That’s the ‘compromise’.

It’s not a compromise. A real compromise would address the ‘pre-existing conditions’ issue with some sort of assitance and regulatory changes and stop there – no mandates, no higher taxes, no huge new bureaucracies. The Baucus Plan is the all-pain no-gain version of ObamaCare.

‘The question may eventually come down to this: Are Republicans willing to support National Healthcare in any form?”

This form: One that has the Govt subsidize health insurance for those who cannot afford it, but LEAVES ALONE ALL OF THOSE WHO CAN, while working to eliminate regulations that impede access and add to healthcare costs. solution? Health savings accounts, health insurance across state lines, tort reform.

If the choice is freedom or socialism, lets choose freedom.

You can always support charity to help those in need, but there is no charity to win back your freedom.

We MUST oppose mandates, higher taxes, new bureaucracies and govt control of care decisions.

“Republicans: We hate your bill, no public option.

Obama: Okay, we don’t need a public option.”

I have seen NO SUCH ADMISSION. The Dems are playing games and its absurd for you to either follow their game (troll?) or fall into their trap (typical GOP trap of ‘compromising’ to half-a-loaf socialism).

I want to see the public and complete admission of that FIRST before we even pretend the farcical notion that 1000 pages of taxes and regulations is somehow a ‘compromise’

… let’s get real here folks. The SMART thing is to vote NO on ANY bill they come up with that is not HR3400, the GOP alternative. We have a better solution, and watered-down ObamaCare is still poison not Rx for healthcare in America.

Here are 7 critical ones … and note, Baucus bill STILL is bad on 5 out of these 7 objections:

http://travismonitor.blogspot.com/2009/07/obamascare.html

A few rules for what we should NOT do in a healthcare bill:
1. No more taxes. We cannot afford at this time to be loaded down with higher taxes and higher deficits. Bigger Government is not ‘reform’.
2. No mandates. No mandates on employers or employees. Mandates have been tried at the state level, and are creating more problems than solutions.
3. No ‘kill Granny’ policies. No Orwellian ‘death with dignity’ required sessions and attempts to push an agenda of healthcare denial to the elderly, solely to save costs.
4. No “public option”, no socialized medicine. That is a single-payer Trojan horse that will kill off private insurance. Assurances by Democrats that it is not are belied by statements of many Democrats that it is precisely their expectation that Government-run health insurance will take over. The watered-down version of this, ‘co-operatives’, should be viewed with suspicion as well, since they are Government-managed and required Government subsidy. It’s Government health insurance under another label.
5. No taxpayer-funded abortions.
6. No replacement of Doctors’ decisions with Government decisions. We do not need a Government board to dictate terms of care. This is another step towards socialized medicine.
7. No unfunded mandates to states.

“We need to understand where we stand on this issue because we could very quickly be backed into a corner by Obama and the Democrats and be looking at a large percentage of Americans wondering why we oppose health care for the poor”

We already have $1 TRILLION spent by the Federal, state and local Governments on healthcare, in Medicaid, Medicare, health programs and clinics, etc. There is no GOP proposal to eliminate Govt spending “for the poor”. Thus this statement is wrong. It’s another Democrat lie that tries to confuse the issue.

“One thing that I’m not sure if you’re observing is that Obama is working toward a Bi-Partisan bill”

Obama HAS no bill. He has not crafted legislation nor engaged in ANY serious “working toward” anythingg, least of all with republicans. There is only the dreck that is being concocted in Congress. (Waxman, Baucus, etc) Obama has refused to propose specific language.

And Obama’s dishonest speech and his highly partisan attacks on critics does not engender bipartisanship…. which is fine by me. Any bill the Dems are willing to support will be a horrible bill. Better we have zero Republican votes on it.

The government is taking over the health care industry.

You can’t sue the federal government. All medical personnel will essentially become federal employees. Anything dealing with tort reform in that bill would merely be lip service.

H311 no.

“Tort reform” to you and me is not “tort reform” to them. By the time it wound its way through the courts, they’d figure out a way to strike down the tort reform as unconsitutional, when the truly unconstitutional crap — the federal government having anything to with commerce between a citizen and another who happens to be a doctor — will be left to suck us dry.

In a word, NO. I’m not willing to make this trade off.

1) First they place increasing mandates on insurance companies as to what they must cover (based on political calculation and pressure for disease constituency groups).

2) Insurance companies raise prices on everybody because they have to cover more procedures whether the purchaser needs that coverage or not.

3) More people can’t affort the insurance because of these mandates

4) The government then says that they system is failing, blaming the insurance companies for being greedy, and impose more mandates or even price controls or a public option.

5) Or they mandate everyone buys insurance. In an act of illogic, they tax insurance politicies to subsidize those who “can’t afford”.

This starts a vicious cycle that sooner or later the government interference brings down the system.

My understanding in MA is that they gave up on the universal coverage because they saw that insurance premiums were skyrocketing and threatening to bring down the whole house of cards. However, they still haven’t gotten cost under control, which is what has happened with every government medical program.

Personally,I liked the idea I read a while back of setting up a mirror program for lawyers doctors where the government sets up standards of practice and put doctors in charge of establishing and enforcing these standards. After all, doctors are as qualified to regulate the legal industry and the legal industry is qualified to run health care.

Giving tort lawyers a taste of their own medicine is probably the only way to get them off our nation’s back.

I already have Romneycare because I live in MA, and the truth is this:

The only people who pay for healthcare in this state are the people who were already paying for it, except that they PAY MORE. It’s a wealth-transfer mechanism.

Businesses MUST pay to insure their workers but the people who don’t sign up and do not pay into the system are never prosecuted, for the very good reason that the State knows they have no money.

They get free care, paid for by a large increase of the burden on anyone else who earns a living.

ABSOLUTELY NOT.

4) HELL NO.

Thanks for all the comments.

For those of you who may not know me from the past, I am very conservative despite what I have put here in this diary.

I will write again on the fact that I don’t really care for the GOP plan either which I think will gut employer provided healthcare (and won’t be replaced by the money that employers spend on healthcare either .. it will simply bleed into the pockets of the employers).