The Top Ten reasons why it’s a good thing Herman Cain’s 4th accuser came forward.


A former employee of the National Restaurant Association on Monday said Herman Cain groped her 14 years ago during an unwanted sexual advance, becoming the fourth woman to accuse the presidential candidate of sexual misconduct and the first to publicly identify herself.

Speaking at a press conference in New York City and flanked by celebrity attorney Gloria Allred, Sharon Bialek, a Chicago resident who worked for the NRA from 1996 to 1997, said Cain suddenly reached out and grabbed her after drinks and dinner in Washington D.C. in the summer of 1997. She had left her association job in Chicago, Bialek said, and had traveled to Washington to meet with Cain to ask him for help finding a new job. It was then, she alleged, Cain attempted to force her into a sexual favor in exchange for a job while the two were in a parked car.

Listen…I’m a Cain fan like many of us here.
I know he had a tough week last week and we thought maybe the storm had passed but now we have a new accuser coming at him again.

People, don’t be so down.
There is a silver lining to this all and I think the Hermanator will survive this just fine.
So get ready . Here we go.
All aboard the Cain train.

The Top Ten Reason why it’s a good thing Cain’s 4th accuser came forward.

1. Now we know what happened to the girl who played Lorrie on That Seventies Show.

2.Cain had finally fessed up. He owned an El Camino with astroturf in the back.

3.Cain’s plan lowers spending. Now we only have to drag a twenty dollar bill through a trailer park.

4.The Farrah Fawcett hairdo is making a comeback.

5. We know why now Cain was grinning in the smoking ad.

6.We should be happy. We have a candidate who knows how to create jobs.

7. Unlike Clinton, at least we know Herman will buy you dinner first.

8 Cain has vowed that if elected he will appoint a Booty Czar.

9.There were no gross details like pubic hairs on coke cans.

10. Finally…a press conference that gives me a little bit of a chubby.


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About #10...

Erick Brockway (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 9:03PM EST (link)

So Gloria Allred really…does it for ya, hah?

It was the salacious details.

NeoKong (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 9:08PM EST (link)

You could almost hear the Barry White music in the background.

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I did not touch the thigh of that woman--Ms. Bialek.

circlegranch Tuesday, November 8th at 12:06PM EST (link)

Now that I have your attention—-for all those writing about whether or not Ms. Bialek is legitimate or not, we can only go on what was presented. She’s a Republican and she attends tea parties. Does she get any credit for being a bold, patriotic person that isn’t afraid to stand up for the truth? Isn’t that what the rest of us were doing the last 3 years on April 15, standing on courthouse lawns holding flags and wearing “Don’t Tread on Me” tshirts? Weren’t we refusing to allow business as usual rule the day politically? Didn’t we say the govt. and the processes thereof belong to We, the People? And that we’re coming to take them back?

The women making namesless faceless accusations last week finally had somebody with guts stand up and say, “OK, I’ll go first. If somebody doesn’t make a move, he gets away with it. If he’s asking to be elected on his strong moral character and honesty, then he has to get this off the radar, apologize and move on.”

I would think at the least, the woman should get some credit for guts and courage. It wasn’t easy doing what she did yesterday, knowing the firepower of the Limbaughs will be dropping bunker busters on her until she is forced into hiding.

I think its important to keep an open mind thus far. After all, what confidence or explanation has Cain given other than denial after denial? Where’s the courage in that? He was scared of this issue at the get-go which is why he tried to hide it.

A Republican who attends Tea Parties, great,

themamabear (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 7:55PM EST (link)

but she would have had more credibility if she had not gone to Gloria Allred! That was insane. I am a Republican woman who attends Tea Parties. If I had something to tell about a Republican candidate, I would not go and find the most liberal attack dog on the left to help me get my story out.

mamabear: The lady would not have gone to Allred, Allred

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 8:05PM EST (link)

went to her. Ethically, Allred can’t solicit clients, but they have ways of getting around that with runners/investigators. A normal client without buckets of money and fame would never make it past Allred’s receptionist. I’m sure that the woman doesn’t even know Gloria’s slimy reputation – she’s just seen her on tv all of the time and is in awe. That is the way it works.

 
 

A very good way to get everyone's attention, circle! LOL I

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 8:00PM EST (link)

do agree with what you say, though!

 

Well, we know what she said.

Flagstaff (Diary) Wednesday, November 9th at 11:07PM EST (link)

We know that Cain said, “I didn’t do anything to anyone.”

He also said he didn’t know her, and that will probably have to be amended to “I don’t remember her.” That is just life.

Unless some kind of proof emerges, it’ll be “Who do you believe?”

“The press is so powerful in its image-making role that it can make a criminal look like he’s the victim and make the victim look like he’s the criminal. If you aren’t careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed and loving the people who are doing the oppressing.”– Malcolm X, Audubon Ballroom, December 13, 1964

 
 
 
 

Tbone's Top Ten Reasons.

Tbone (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 10:26PM EST (link)

10. We can next hear from #5..then 6…then 7 ….etc..

9. She is from Chicago, Cain can blame Rahm…. again.

8. Cain can ask a reporter if he has ever been accused of sexual assault….again.

7. Cain can claim “I don’t remember nuttin”, again.

6. Cain will point out “Hey, I been married to whats-her-name a long time.”

5. It gives Hannity an opportunity to ask “Where’s the stained dress? No dress and no witnesses? Cain must be innocent!

4. Cain can lie about something new for a change…..again.

3. Because she is a Republican, Cain can claim she is a Perry plant…… again.

2. Cain can claim that he could tell she really wanted to meet “Mr. N*****head”.

And the number one reason?

1. It proves Cain thinks Tiger Woods is right, blondes are more fun.

How do these taste, Neokong?

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Unsatisfying...

nathanalbright (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 10:40PM EST (link)

This is a train wreck. At least no one can say that none of the women who accuse Cain are willing to stand up publicly. I’m just waiting for the rest of them. Can she collect her $50,000 from Rush Limbaugh now?

 

Oops

NeoKong (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:01PM EST (link)

A reply below.

Follow me on Twitter.

 
 

You're not looking at the bright side.

NeoKong (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 10:52PM EST (link)

Hey little bunny. Turn that frown into a smile.

5. It gives Hannity an opportunity to ask “Where’s the stained dress? No dress and no witnesses? Cain must be innocent!

No dry cleaning bill either. Already Cain is putting money in our pockets.

Why so angry….? I have to give you the down twinkles for some of these very impolite comments.

2. Cain can claim that he could tell she really wanted to meet “Mr. N*****head”.

Ca mon’ now Mr. Grumpy.
I don’t think we need to turn over that rock.
Oops…Sorry…I forgot you’re a Perry man.

7. Cain can claim “I don’t remember nuttin”, again

I find the way that you try to incorporate some sort of dialectic slang a little offensive. What are you really trying to say….?

1. It proves Cain thinks Tiger Woods is right, blondes are more fun.

Well duh….aren’t they….?

I can see you worked very hard on this and I don’t like to discourage people from expressing their creative talent but I must grade this post as a D.
It was mean spirited and had racial overtones.
It was not consistent with the jovial and inclusive atmosphere I try to convey in my diaries.
I think your streiff is showing.
Maybe you shouldn’t try to follow him so hard.

Go on …have another drink to settle down if it helps.
Come back later when you are more calm.

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You want racial overtones?

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:00PM EST (link)

How about someone who talks about himself as being:

“a REAL black man”

and

“chocolate walnut ice cream… taste good all the time”

Who talks like that? Cain, that’s who.

Who cheers on talk like that? Cain supporters, that’s who.

I wish you Perry supporters would leave the race

seth90212 Monday, November 7th at 11:05PM EST (link)

thing alone. It’s very bad form..

Maybe if Cain left it alone...

gekster (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:10PM EST (link)

then it wouldn’t be there.
It is Cain who keeps reminding us that he is a black man.
I would just as well have him say that he is an American, and leave it at that.
I would be just as good if he used American of African descent.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

How is Cain making an issue out of race?

seth90212 Monday, November 7th at 11:18PM EST (link)

He doesn’t have to remind anyone that he’s a black man.

You are hung up on race, Cain isn’t.

Cain is the racial candidate

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:26PM EST (link)

Uh, HELLO, Cain promoted himself as being the REAL black man, compared to Obama. And his supporters CHEERED him for it.

 
 

The truth about Cain

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:20PM EST (link)

The truth is, I WAS a fan of Cain. But the first red flag that came up was when I heard Cain talking about, in comparison to Obama, how he was a “REAL black man.” Whereas people were actually CHEERING Cain for talking like this, I was taken aback. The last thing I want to hear from a Republican candidate is spewing this racial garbage.

The last straw for me was when Cain piled on Perry over the bogus racist rock story.

Since then, there have been numerous revelations that have confirmed I made the right choice by jumping off the Cain train.

Hey atroll

Neil Stevens (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:21PM EST (link)

Do you post on issues other than Cain?

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Hey Neil Stevens

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:28PM EST (link)

What does it matter? If you want to reply to me, reply to the points I’ve posted. Unless you would rather try to divert attention away from my points…

So that would be a 'no,' then.

Moe Lane (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:32PM EST (link)

Moe Lane, if you don't want to reply to my points, then why "reply" to me?

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:34PM EST (link)

Dodge, dodge!

Tell you what, troll-boy

Bill S (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:42PM EST (link)

You stop trying to provoke people, and I won’t ban you.

Your choice.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Hypocrite

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:46PM EST (link)

You call me “troll-boy” and you’re trying to tell ME not to provoke people?

If that is the way it is, then ban me you hypocrite.

If you insist. -nt-

Bill S (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:48PM EST (link)

.

“It’s such a fine line between stupid, and clever.” – David St. Hubbins

Suicide by Moderator.

Tbone (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:57PM EST (link)

But, by gum it took 3 of you. LOL.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Slow night.

Moe Lane (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:38AM EST (link)

Or perhaps morbid curiosity.

Moe Lane

 

It takes 3 for a great Vincerò!, Tbone

CincoSolas_del_Bronx (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:47AM EST (link)

Those dreading urbanization should remember that though the Kingdom of God first appeared in a temporal Garden, at the end of the book it is established in an eternal City. (paraphrase, James M. Boice)

soli Deo gloria

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Cain is the one making an issue out of race

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:11PM EST (link)

How typical of a Cainiac to divert blame onto someone else.

I’m just pointing out the words of Cain himself.

I’ll stop pointing out Cain’s racial statements when he stops making them.

 

Now now seth....try to be inclusive.

NeoKong (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:27PM EST (link)

Let’s try to overlook the weaknesses that sometimes plague us all.
It’s not who we want to be.
They will have to deal with their anger in their own way.
Let’s just keep them in our prayers instead.

Herman would want it that way.

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NeoKong, when you're done praying...

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:31PM EST (link)

how about you answer my points?

 
 
 

I think we should try to leave our fear of stereotypes in the past.

NeoKong (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:11PM EST (link)

Nowadays there is no need to fear a strong and confident black man who is comfortable enough in his own skin for some self deprecating humor.
It think it sort of endears him to people.
I don’t know about you but it puts me at ease.
He seems more approachable.

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NeoKong and his racist double standard

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:15PM EST (link)

Are you telling me if Rick Perry described himself as “Vanilla Delight ice cream – goes down smooth” you wouldn’t make something out of that? If you wouldn’t, I guarantee you everyone else WOULD. And SHOULD.

Or perhaps you wouldn’t have a problem if Perry had said “the media is scared Obama will have to run against a REAL white man”?

But Cain is black, so that makes everything alright.

One of my favorite performers...

NeoKong (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:23PM EST (link)

Is Vanilla Ice.
I have never thought his delightful and clever moniker had any sort of racial connotation to it but if you think I should consider the color of a person’s skin I will try to see it your way even though it is difficult and makes me feel uncomfortable.

Follow me on Twitter.

 

This is Stormfront talk

seth90212 Monday, November 7th at 11:23PM EST (link)

No historical context, blind to reality, delusional.

It’s like asking why there isn’t a Miss White America contest or why there isn’t a Congressional White Caucus. Sheer stupidity, which plays into the meme of conservatives being racists.

seth90212, why are you so worried about her financials?

retire05 Monday, November 7th at 11:28PM EST (link)

Are you also wanting the press to dig into Herman Cain’s financials now? Cain was bragging about how much money his campaign collected last quarter (June/Sept) but it seems he had to dump almost 3/4 of a million $$ of his won money into his campaign. Why is that?

Let’s dig into Cain’s financials. And his wife’s financials. And any kids he might have, let’s dig into their lives, as well. Hell, just because of people like you, we can make it a free-for-all.

retire05

Cain is financially secure

seth90212 Monday, November 7th at 11:41PM EST (link)

But his financials are not relevant. However, if some jobless, bankrupt guy holds a news conference to recount his homosexual liaisons with Rick Perry, then that gentleman’s financials would be relevant as potentially the motivating factor. Same with Cain’s accuser. We’re all adults here. We all know that some people will do absolutely anything and tell absolutely any lie for money.

Seth

txpat Tuesday, November 8th at 12:01AM EST (link)

You like Cain and want to defend him against these now never ending stories that are popping up.
I understand that, but this thread is about Cain isn’t??
Not throwing unfounded statements about Rick Perry.
Defend your guy, but you can build him up without trying to tear others down.

 
 
 

Well since you brought it up

iidvbii Monday, November 7th at 11:59PM EST (link)

why is it ok for people of any other race and heritage to identify first as that race except whites or European Americans if you prefer?
Miss Black America
Congressional Black Caucus
Hispanic caucus
NAACP
Ect…
While at the same time my four white sons are the only ones it is legal to discriminate against for employment, educational access and general social benefits? My white daughter somehow qualifies as a minority? By your estimation Seth I am a racist for asking this question. But I submit that until we become a truly race neutral society and stop pitting one group against the other racism in this country will continue. Racism is not a whites only club as any examination of crime data readily details. Until we can have an honest conversation that includes the black panthers, La Raza and the klu klux klan this problem will persist. So Seth, I take issue with your cowardice “don’t mention it or point it out attitude”. It’s been sixty years since Dr. Kings death do you really think what our country has become matches his famous dream? Blacks screaming racism at the drop of a hat, Hispanics screaming racism if we enforce immigration laws that are less severe than those of Mexico and young white children denied access and advancement based not on their abilities or character but purely on the basis of their skin color. I suspect he would be horrified both by posiers like Jesse Jackson as well as whites who hide their heads and refuse to acknowledge the problems.

As far as Mr. Cain goes, he is the only one i have heard discussing race.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

This is not a serious question

seth90212 Tuesday, November 8th at 12:52AM EST (link)

There’s a Congressional Tea Party Caucus, which is virtually all-white but no one complains because that’s a specific interest group. You want a Congressional White Caucus when whites already dominate Congress as well as the country at large. This is sheer David Duke stupidity, which is why that whole white power ideology is a joke.

I tell you what, if white people in this country ever become an oppressed or disadvantaged minority, you can have all the Miss White Americas, White Student Unions and White Congressional Caucuses you want. How’s that? As it is, do you want to trade your advantages as white person in exchange for setting up those organizations? I’m sure black people will be more than happy to trade with you.

Well, if we all became just Americans,

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:00AM EST (link)

instead of (insert here) Americans, then it would be so much better.
I consider myself an American, not a German American.
When you see yourself as something first, and American second, that just tells me where your priorities are.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Don't really agree, geks

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:09AM EST (link)

Or maybe I do, but come at it differently. I’m a very proud Puerto Rican: I have a huge Puerto Rican banner hanging in my house, a small one in my car, I used to own a coqui (national animal of Puerto Rico), I know the Puerto Rican anthem (“La Borinqueña”) and can sing it on demand — the list goes on. I’m a very proud Spanish speaker, and love my culture. This does not detract from my self-perception as an American — it enhances it! I love both places, and to me, one of the best things about America is precisely that it allows for diversity of thought, action, and self-identity. To stop being Puerto Rican would, to me, dampen my enthusiasm as a US citizen. IMO, the homogenization of the US is not a good thing; whereas most states would have their unique heritages and identities, now only a few do (like Texas) and are scorned for it. I think that this is a negative trend, and that we do not have to give up those identifications to *also* identify as American.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 
 
 

Oh, and by the way

seth90212 Tuesday, November 8th at 1:10AM EST (link)

The reason why you think no one celebrates “European heritage” is because it so so pervasive, so ubiquitous and so dominant. European heritage is so normal that any other cultural expression you see only seems like it’s getting prominence.

Who’s discriminating against your sons? That’s illegal. Companies trying to have a more diverse workforce is not discrimination, and those that apply must still qualify. It is attitudes like yours from previous generations which put us in this mess where companies have to actively seek out minorities who previously were being denied positions. They pay taxes too, you know. They also fight in wars while you rail against them behind your computer.

The black panthers are a joke and no threat to anyone. La Raza, if they’re talking about a reconquest do pose a threat. But extremists of the Tim McVeigh type constitute the most severe homegrown threat to this country.

I don’t see blacks screaming racism save for a few high-profile self-promoting agitators like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. Most blacks just go about their business.

You do realize how silly it is for you Perry supporters to say the things you are saying about Cain being a race-baiter and race card player and so on. This is a man who is called Uncle Tom, oreo, traitor and so on. Why? Precisely because he is the exact opposite of how you describe him..

Support your candidate positively. Stop dredging up this racial junk against Herman Cain.

Seth, I never thought of this before, but

jrmax13 Tuesday, November 8th at 1:24AM EST (link)

Is it possible that all these Cain-bashers are simply hiding behind bigotry and anti-black-folk feelings. Seth, don’t pay them any mind. That kind of mentality is dying out quickly as generations move on. I also believe that the Romney-bashers are simply religious bigots who could not (for whatever hateful reason) abide by the thought that the POTUS would be LDS. But, hey, welcome to the RedState big tent.

I do notice from Perry supporters

seth90212 Tuesday, November 8th at 1:35AM EST (link)

a hint of the great white hope retaking the White House from Obama. I want to get rid of Obama because he’s terrible. I don’t have to replace him with a white man just because. If a black man is the superior candidate, then that’s the guy I want. Cain is superior to Perry and the best candidate running, imo.

And the Lack of Awareness Prize goes to...

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:14AM EST (link)

the guy whose thoughts can be summarized as follows:

“Those narrow-minded Perry supporters need to stop their generalizations and bigotry! Why every one of them is uniformly a casual racist is beyond me, but it must end now!”

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

 

Ummm... NO

gator_hoo (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:32PM EST (link)

This “People who don’t support Cain are Racist” theme needs to stop now.

 
 

Ah JR you make me sad

iidvbii Tuesday, November 8th at 1:43AM EST (link)

Anyone can look at my posts and see full well I have rejected these candidates on their merits. I do not appreciate being called a bigot or a racist. I would appreciate an apology.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

Apology not granted

jrmax13 Tuesday, November 8th at 1:47AM EST (link)

Did I say every single poster here is like that ? No.

Fair enough

iidvbii Tuesday, November 8th at 1:55AM EST (link)

so long as I am on that exception list.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

Actually, you are one of the few

jrmax13 Tuesday, November 8th at 2:06AM EST (link)

i,
Actually, you are one of the few here that seems to be fair (even though we often disagree). I am sorry if I offended YOU. I just get so irate about some of the ingrained attitudes that still hinder our party. Wait for it — geks, ads, or retire are just about to throw me out of the GOP. That team are not to be sniffed at you know.

Nah not offened brother...

iidvbii Tuesday, November 8th at 2:33AM EST (link)

I appreciative the kind words….. I wouldn’t worry about anyone throwing you out. It’s primary season, so war has come to the GOP. Believe me by June we’ll all be united in our disgust of the dems again. Just hang in there…..

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

 
 
 
 
 

G'bye

Neil Stevens (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:07AM EST (link)

We’re watching you, bloodshy.

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Spoken like a true liberal seth....

iidvbii Tuesday, November 8th at 1:38AM EST (link)

So when we have oppressed the whites this time around and sown enough animosity, resentment and hatred in a new generation of Americans having legislated them to the back of the proverbial bus in a vein attempt to right historical wrongs. Will we then start the whole despicable process over in the future to right those wrongs and yet again ensure the cycle continues? Under the guise of fairness and equaility again no doubt.

No I don’t want Miss White America of a White Caucus. Sadly you miss the point entirely.

I want a country that doesn’t consider a persons skin before the content of their character.
A country where it is just as unacceptable for a black to use racial slurs as it is for a white to use them.
A country where a person regardless of race is treated fairly in the scales of society.
A country where cowards like you are called out on their hypocrisy and race baiters like Jesse Jackson and al sharpton are shown the door.
I want our country to fulfill its great ideas where men and women are free to pursue their happiness without an oppressive government picking the winners and losers.

Basically I am waiting for the rest of you to catch up with gekster and realise that we are ONE people or we are nothing.
Based on your reponses dripping with liberal ideology I can assume you just aren’t ready to put down the guilt or hatred.
To quote Coolio….. “I’ll see you when you get there…”

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

We all want those things but we're not there yet

seth90212 Tuesday, November 8th at 1:56AM EST (link)

and thoughtful conservatives like myself will concede that. But we are making progress. And Miss Black America contests, Ebony magazine, NAACP and other black or minority organizations have been critical in the progress we’ve made in terms of providing self-esteem and encouragement. The alternative might have been an armed insurgency or civil war. So those organizations acted as pressure valves that helped to save this country from the abyss. Remember, the NAACP espoused legal non-violent remedies even when blacks were being lynched and burned alive. They discouraged blacks who wanted to meet violence with violence.

Remember the reason why Miss Black America was started in the first place. It’s the same reason traditional black colleges and NAACP were started. Things are vastly improved but should those organizations just shut down abruptly? Every entity resists being shut down. What you will see, however, is those organizations slowing receding into irrelevance as the years pass. We really don’t need a Miss Black America right now. As such, I don’t even think black people take that pageant seriously anymore. It won’t last.

Btw, can you name any mainstream conservative who espouses your ideology? No, they’re more likely to embrace my way of thinking. That includes every major conservative politician or media personality. I dare you to post a link to any article where a prominent conservative agrees with the notion that there should be a Congressional White Caucus or a Miss White America.

My ideology??

iidvbii Tuesday, November 8th at 2:21AM EST (link)

Please point out in my posts where I advocated a miss white America or a white caucus? I did say:

” No I don’t want Miss White America or a White Caucus. Sadly you miss the point entirely”

In fact the point of my post was how damaging these divisions are to our society. Pretty sure you can find plenty of mainstream conservatives that support my ideology. In fact if you do just a little research you will find that Texas and california in the last decade have voted to end affirmitive action programs just in case I need to point this out. These are the largest red and blue states in our country. Would seem that perhaps “my ideology” as you put it is just a little more mainstream than yours.

I am afraid the race baiters and their liberal apologists are doomed to be a footnote in the history of the 20th century.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

You are asking why there are black organizations

seth90212 Tuesday, November 8th at 3:13AM EST (link)

and choosing to ignore why they were started in the first place. That’s indicative of a certain ideology. Bear in mind, there are also Polish-American organizations and Russian-American organizations, etc. There are even British-American organizations, believe or not. No one cares. No one complains. No one would complain if all the Italians in Congress started an Italian-American Caucus.

Affirmative Action programs were restructured or modified not because they weren’t needed but because they weren’t working as intended. Or because they failed to have the desired effect except in the case of white women. Affirmative Action has been wildly successful for white women.

 

Seth.... Race relations in America is the GOP's

iidvbii Tuesday, November 8th at 5:06AM EST (link)

greatest failure. Look at the history we have been on the “right” side of it since the beginning. Unfortunately we have allowed the same people that created and passed the Jim Crowe laws to dictate race policy ever since the then senate majority leader and later president Johnson destroyed republican president dwight Eisenhower’s civil rights legislation in the senate. It is of interest to note that after assuming the presidency from Kennedy he then pushed through almost identical legislation.

I picked this fight with you tonight for a reason, and no it wasn’t to pick on you but to suggest a radical idea to you. You wrote:

” It’s like asking why there isn’t a Miss White America contest or why there isn’t a Congressional White Caucus. Sheer stupidity, which plays into the meme of conservatives being racists.”

I suggest to you and anyone else reading that we should question these very things. Loudly and in public. You see we have allowed ourselves to be divided and frankly conquered. Explain why a predominately religious group of people like blacks (notice I didn’t use African-American there’s little to nothing African about our cousins) vote democrat by nearly ninety percent? Are they pro abortion? No. Are they pro gay? No. Yet election after election you see the same result. It’s because we have set quietly by and allowed the liberals to erect the ultimate strawman… Me…. The white conservative southern man. We have done nothing for fear of being painted as racists to ensure the integration of blacks into the fabric of America. Certainly some like Mr. Cain have made it on their own but where were we demanding that they not be allowed to separate themselves socially, politically and economically at the so called end of segregation? We were told they needed separate institutions, university and political bodies to defend their rights and we bought it. In fact you used that very argument tonight.

Separate but equal didn’t work during segregation and it isn’t working now. Consider that since Johnson’s great society black poverty has fallen 1%. Can you really honestly gauge 1% in the numbers we are discussing? I suspect its within the margin off error.

So yes we should question any institution that uses race as a disqualifier. We should question it often and in public. We should demand rational for the separation and it had better be a d@mn good reason. It is this very separation that has led to black poverty, hopelessness and rage I believe. Imagine having everyone in a position of authority your whole life telling you there is this evil “white” conspiracy that hates you and wants you to suffer. Then imagine living in the fallout of liberal policies like most poor blacks.
Couple that with the lie that only whites can be racist (racism takes only hatred discrimination takes power) and you have the ingredients for full blown racial hatred. Sound familiar at all? Throw in a dash of supposed favoritism (affirmitive action) and now both sides are infighting.
Yes we should questioning the naacp, black caucus ect…. We should be on the record questioning these things. I firmly believe we will not survive if we cannot become one people. I am not saying abandon our individual heritage. I live in Texas and I love cinco de mayo, any excuse to drink margaritas. I am also German so you will find me at you guessed it German fest eating brauts and sour crout.

But as a country, we cannot be separate but equal. As republicans we cannot allow the greatest lie ever told to persist, that we are the racist.
We have started a new century in America, and a decade in we are doing pretty poorly. Let’s not screw this up. Let’s let the sins of the 20th century die with it. We are better than this, this can be the greatest century in American history I firmly believe that but first we must clean up some old messes.
When someone says white,black,Asian or Hispanic only for gods sake question it and do it loudly and proudly. As Margrett Thatcher so famously said ” first you win the debate then you win the election”.
God bless…..

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

 

PS .... seth i said you were a coward in my previous

iidvbii Tuesday, November 8th at 6:10AM EST (link)

post….
You are certainly no coward…..
Your responses though I disagree with, have demonstrated your willingness to debate even a lightning rod subject like race… It would be unfair for me not to retract my statement….
I was wrong………

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

Thank you, iidvbii.

seth90212 Tuesday, November 8th at 9:40PM EST (link)

And for the record, I believe your intentions are honorable. There is nothing wrong with your point of view in the way you express it.

 
 
 
 
 
 

iidvbii, let me try to answer that question as best I can:

aesthete (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:00AM EST (link)

There is no problem — none at all — with celebrating one’s heritage or culture. This applies to whites as much as to any group. Moreover, no one should have their group subsidized by the government — group thinking is abhorrent and counterproductive. Government aside, screaming “racism” at any perceived slight is of course a horrible way to go through life.

With that said, the problem with identifying as “white”, or identifying with “white” culture, is that it is less a heritage than a “default” identity. A default is difficult to identify with strongly for most people; it merely is. Most Americans, no matter how liberal, have no problem with people expressing their heritage, from Polish-Americans to Scottish-Americans to all sorts of other ethnic identities. Identifying as any of these makes sense. Identifying strongly as “white”… does not, especially when one of the most salient aspects of the “white” identity historically was as a group of people that got to stomp all over the “different” peoples’ rights, steal their money for their ends, etc. I’m guessing that that’s not what you mean when you talk about white culture, but it is what people strongly identify with/against when they talk about it. Therefore, when *you* identify strongly with it, most people don’t think, “this guy is really proud of being good at finances, a college alumni, owning an X acre home”, or any of the other more positive aspects of the white identity: these aspects are uncontroversial and are things which are already covered by class and social status. They think, “this guy must have something wrong with him”, for the reasons I gave above. It is a bit unfair for those without such thoughts in their heart, but there it is.

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton

Thanks brother but I was making a different point.

iidvbii Tuesday, November 8th at 2:28AM EST (link)

I don’t see any value in race based political affiliations white or black. I appreciate the tact and courage (race is an uncomfortable subject) you demonstrate in your post nonetheless.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

This woman has already scheduled interviews

seth90212 Monday, November 7th at 11:07PM EST (link)

Apparently, according to public records, her finances are in a shambles. Seems like a play for cash.

Good, I hope she does profit from this

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:16PM EST (link)

…to make up for the trashing she will receive and HAS already received by Cain supporters.

 

I will admit I have had my doubts about her motive.

NeoKong (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:17PM EST (link)

While I try to see the good in people and try to give people the benefit of the doubt I too am beginning to detect a slight hint of an ulterior motive.
I guess we will have to see what if any talk show or interviews she struts upon to peddle her tawdry tale.
The allure of the camera and spotlight can be quite a tempting ...aahhh…temptation.

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NeoKong and another double standard

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:24PM EST (link)

So when a woman wants to keep her privacy, it is because she can’t withstand scrutiny.

But when a woman comes forward, it’s for the dollar.

There are FOUR women that have accused Cain, and each has responded in different ways. But no matter how they respond, Cainiacs condemn them.

If you go for a settlement, that’s a sign of it being a false charge. If they didn’t go for a settlement, THAT’s a sign of it being a false charge. Strangely, nothing seems to count against Cain, much less the fact that there are FOUR women accusing Cain of similar stuff in a certain time frame.

Perhaps you are correct llorta

NeoKong (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:43PM EST (link)

Maybe I have been a harsh judge.
I do suppose it is possible that a woman who values her privacy so dearly could in fact hire an attorney at her own expense and interject herself into a campaign and release a firestorm and yet wish to remain anonymous.
When you say it,it does seem plausible.

I guess it never dawned on me that the other woman could have been carrying the burden of that awful awful night from so long ago that she could no longer remain silent and sought out a tireless and in no way sleazy advocate in Gloria Allred.

Allred’s reputuation is impeccable in these matters.

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Interesting theory... except one small detail

iidvbii Tuesday, November 8th at 12:26AM EST (link)

The women didn’t bring this story to the media’s attention. An executive at the NRA did. So kinda blows a whole in the “hires a lawyer and injects herself into the campaign” narrative you have going there. Seems to me the first woman hired a lawyer to protect her privacy and shew away the media vultures.

So….. Since we can effectively call BS on that line care to try a new one? Or perhaps consider that it shouldn’t require a law degree to defend ones choice for president. Perhaps Cain is innocent but I expect clintonesque atttacks on the victims isn’t going to win hearts and minds in the electorate. I would think an intellectually honest person would be more concerned with the utter failure of Cain and his campaign to mitigate what should have been fairly a benign issue, considering he is innocent and all *wink*.

In the final analysis will our children praise or curse our actions this day?

Yes, that detail...

texabama Wednesday, November 9th at 9:29AM EST (link)

is the one everyone seems to be overlooking. None of the women brought this up in the first place. From what I’ve been able to determine this all came about because of political endorsements. Didn’t someone at the NRA want to endorse Herman Cain and others want to endorse someone else? I believe it was one of the members who wanted to endorse Romney who leaked this information to Politico.

What this really shows is the problem with organizations endorsing candidates. I’m all for individuals endorsing because they are speaking for themselves, but no organization with hundreds of members can speak politically for those members. And they definitely should not be donating member’s money without their express permission like unions do.

 
 
 
 

See her giggling and laughing at the presser?

seth90212 Monday, November 7th at 11:30PM EST (link)

What woman, recounting an event like that, starts giggling and laughing with reporters?

There’s money to be made, I assure you. For one thing, Allred doesn’t work pro bono and the accuser herself is broke. So they’re going to monetize this come hell or high water.

seth90212, ever hear of

retire05 Monday, November 7th at 11:36PM EST (link)

nervous laughter?

Nah, you’re too cloistered.

retire05

Beat me to it, retire ... I was a'fixin'to post the same reply! It does

pttx333 (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:40PM EST (link)

happen with many people who are unaccustomed to public speaking. Heck, it even happens with those are!

 

About Bialek's "smile"

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:43PM EST (link)

The fact that I am a trained and experienced public speaker makes me well aware that most people are not.

If you look at her “smile,” it isn’t a carefree or joyous or even smug smile, it was a very tense smile. I could see that she was very tense and nervous, and she probably wasn’t even aware that she was “smiling.” In fact, she may have unconsciously been smiling to keep from falling apart.

Many people who aren’t used to public speaking have a physical tick, which they often aren’t even aware of while they are doing it.

But yeah, you go there, you tell the victim what it’s like to be sexually harassed/assaulted. Different people respond to stress in different ways. Stay classy.

 
 

Bite your tongue seth.

NeoKong (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:46PM EST (link)

Are you… heartless….?

Did you miss the part where her voice cracked at just the nright moment indicationg deep deep emotional distress ?

How can you be so blind to the pain of others ?

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Nice try, people. However,

seth90212 Monday, November 7th at 11:58PM EST (link)

You don’t laugh and giggle while describing a near “sexual assault.”

This just ads to the multiple things which destroy her credibility:

1) Allred,a self-promoting buffoon

2) Unstable work history

3) finances in a shambles

4) Subject of a paternity suit over her child

5) Story implausible

6) Conveniently comes out when Cain is the frontrunner and after everyone says none of the accusers will come forward.

Sorry, not buying it.

Fifth woman raises questions about Cain's behavior

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:04AM EST (link)

You see, I never felt sorry for Bill Clinton’s wife because, err it was Hillary.
I do feel sorry for Herman Cain’s wife.


Fifth woman raises questions about Cain’s behavior

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Truth is what you speak, izone. Never did I ever feel sorry for Hitlery,

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:11AM EST (link)

not for one instant. She and Slick are a power couple, and that is the extent of it. He’s been at his hound dog ways for decades, so it is obvious to me that she is absolutely complicit in the whole gig. No different than many women down through history who “stood by their men” only for the power and the $$. So … I ask this, what does that make them?

 
 

seth, do you know the defination of "giggling?"

retire05 Tuesday, November 8th at 12:05AM EST (link)

I saw a woman who seemed very nervous. Why shouldn’t she be?

You sound just like all the Clinton apologists who defended Clinton by attacking the women he molested. Perhaps you would fit in better over at HuffingtonPost or DailyKos.

retire05

 

Time will sort out much of the amiguous evidence

civil truth (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:33AM EST (link)

In the internet era, thousands of people will be examining Bialek with microscopes. Things should be much clearer in 24-36 hours, perhaps sooner as to whether her story holds together or not. Things move remarkably quickly these days. No need to go out on a limb – just as there’s no need for Cain opponents to jump on every possible Cain misstep as somehow representing guilt.

The greatest evil…is conceived and ordered (moved, seconded, carried, and minuted) in clean, carpeted, warmed, and well-lighted offices, by quiet men with white collars and cut fingernails and smooth-shaven cheeks who do not need to raise their voice. Hence, naturally enough, my symbol for Hell is something like the bureaucracy of a police state or the offices of a thoroughly nasty business concern. -C.S. Lewis

http://www.gmsplace.com/

 
 
 
 
 

Actually she's not accepting money, and is a tea party Republican

clowngirl (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:01AM EST (link)

And the story itself isn’t particularly incredible: he grabbed at her, made a quid pro quo offer, she refused, he backed off and drove her back to her hotel.

One of the other victims lawyer said it corroborates her claim. So, at least on the surface, it sounds credible to me.

Doesn’t prove he did it – but the information we have seems not to fit your theory.

clowngirl.. here's update on bialek

onemovoter (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:41AM EST (link)

TEA party folks have been talking together about this woman and her recollection of things.

Seems they have determined she isn’t a Tea party person at all. She has been a registered republican since 2006 though.

She only worked for 6 months as a money raiser for the NRA and supposedly fired for not raising enough money during her time there. Don’t know if that is true, seems another rumor is that she did but was still fired. I doubt that, if you are doing well, you don’t get fired.

Read here for more info:
http://politicalarena.org/2011/11/07/chicago-tea-party-lead-activist-on-bialek-i-did-not-recognize-her-and-i-was-there-all-weekend/

and SECupp just posted another story:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-herman-cain-accuser-1108-20111108,0,4035523.story

“Any fool can criticize, condemn, and complain, and most fools do.”- Benjamin Franklin
“I don’t make jokes. I just watch the government and report the facts.”- Will Rogers

People get fired for lots of reasons

clowngirl (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 9:29AM EST (link)

but even if she wasn’t a very good fundraiser, that doesn’t make her a liar.

How many people were at this conference that this “lead activist” thinks he can accurately remember all of them?

I’d prefer to see the guy running for office be primarily the one who gets vetted.
Why exactly did he leave the NRA while a complaint was being investigated and before his term was up? Were his reasons legitimate? Can he not stick with things? or was he actually encouraged to leave? I’m more concerned with whether he got fired (or encouraged to leave) then why this Ms. Bialek did.

Her life shouldn’t be rifled through -a la Joe the Plumber – just because she came forward.

Both her attorney and the attorney of one of the alleged victims who filed a complaint are saying they have been contacted by other women who have been harassed by Herman Cain. It doesn’t look like this is anywhere close to over.

 
 
 
 

Nice to see the Cain folks giving this woman

Tbone (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:34PM EST (link)

the same treatment the Democrats gave to Clinton’s accusers.

Yep, you are Just. Like. Them.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Blame the victim, play the race card, yup

llorta Monday, November 7th at 11:36PM EST (link)

JUST like them.

 

Yes Tbone ...I agree.

NeoKong (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:49PM EST (link)

It’s a terrible thing when some people are so quick to judge the character of others now isn’t it ?

Don’t you just hate that….?

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Nope. Cain is a liar which he has proven numerous times

Tbone (Diary) Monday, November 7th at 11:55PM EST (link)

now.

You are treating Cains accusers just like Clinton’s accusers were treated. You are no better than they. No better. None.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Wait....I'm detecting a tone here.

NeoKong (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:22AM EST (link)

So are you saying that you’re not going to vote for Herman Cain….?
Are you sure that’s wise ?

So where does that leave you then ?
Well I suppose that If you just want to run off nilly willy and vote for the first flash in the pan you see then I guess we can’t stop you.

ButI want you to know Tbone…that you will always be welcomed back whenever you come to your senses.
God bless you.

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You just make stuff up like a common fool.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:05AM EST (link)

“So are you saying that you’re not going to vote for Herman Cain….?”

Where do I reference voting for anyone? Where? Where?

Look Sparky, just because you have picked a liar with an apparent lack of character, doesn’t give you the right to put words into my mouth, leaving me with a single question. Just what kind of idiot are you?

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Well, Neokong, just what kind of idiot are you?

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 10:07AM EST (link)

Or are you going to apologize for claiming I said something I didn’t?

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

You seem angry. Are you angry...?

NeoKong (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 10:51AM EST (link)

I hope it didn’t disturb your sleep.

If I claimed that you made a statement then I am not aware of it.
I asked you a question.

“So are you saying that you’re not going to vote for Herman Cain….?”

Often times a question can be identified by the little symbol at the end called a question mark.

You understand the difference don’t you ?
That also was …a question.

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Where did I say that?

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 11:07AM EST (link)

Your question puts words in my mouth. That is dishonest on your part..

And no, I’m not angry, but you are a dishonest fool for trying such an underhanded trick. It is no wonder you love the lying, cheating dishonesty displayed by your messiah, Cain.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

I have no desire to put anything in your mouth.

NeoKong (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 11:22AM EST (link)

Maybe that is some sort of internet behavior that you may have a little more experience with than I but that is none of my business.

I’m sorry but when I read your hurtful insults I have to say I’m not quite convinced that you are not just a little bit angry.
Can you calm down please before you post again….?

Maybe you should take five minutes in the bathroom or something to flesh things out and get a grip on your feelings.
Maybe then you can see that what is troubling you is not very big at all.
I suggest you get a hold of yourself Tbone and I mean that sincerely.

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Masturbation and fellatio jokes?

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 11:42AM EST (link)

Yep, you seem to be qualified to be a Cain supporter. No class, no taste, and no sense.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Tbone jumps the shark. AGAIN.

Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, November 9th at 1:53PM EST (link)

Let me know, Tbone, when any of Cain’s accusers accuse him of RAPE.

Until then you’re just shoveling horse manure.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

 
 

So has the Cain campaign released a statement yet

bonnman Tuesday, November 8th at 12:00AM EST (link)

About the fourth accuser’s accusations?

Or the fifth woman's allegations?

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:12AM EST (link)

n/t

 
 

I think its still just four

bonnman Tuesday, November 8th at 12:16AM EST (link)

although its early in the week

You need a scorecard to keep up with Herman

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:27AM EST (link)


1st-3rd Women


4th Woman


5th Woman

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Uh oh, izone - I think this 5th woman has sealed Cain's fate ...

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:35AM EST (link)

she doesn’t have a dog in the hunt, per se, and appears to be a very reliable source. This is the one that I don’t think they can wave away as “bogus” or “I don’t remember” or any of that other stuff. Boy, I do feel so sorry for Mrs. Cain, though. She doesn’t seem to be the type of lady who would condone such behavior if she was aware of it.

We're about to find out...

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:45AM EST (link)

…if it’s “Stand By Your Man” or “D-I-V-O-R-C-E.” Which Tammy Wynette song do you choose?

nathanalbright: It all depends on the circumstances and not

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:04AM EST (link)

an easy choice to make. Good thought provoker you throw out, though. If there was a one-time misstep of some sort, things might be worked out – I have seen it succeed in a couple of instances, but I’ve also seen it fail in others. Depends on the people involved and their personal situation. Then there’s the serial “misstepper” (male or female), and that is another story unto itself. To me, that would blatantly scream out that the guilty party doesn’t care one whit about me, our commitment, family, or any of the other personal responsibilities involved in a marriage.

You can “Stand By Your Man” (or “Woman”) until it becomes more than apparent that the marriage that you have believed in and trusted with all of your heart is built on nothing more than quicksand and doomed to fail at some point down the road, regardless. Sooo … when your choices are: murder, suicide, life in a living hell, the funny farm or a divorce – I personally would opt for “D-I-V-O-R-C-E”. Most people are not masochists.

I agree...

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 3:20AM EST (link)

…the more women pop up, the less this becomes a matter of “bimbo eruptions,” and more a matter that there is a pattern of unacceptable behavior. And the more that is the case, the more seriously Mrs. Cain (whatever her name is) needs to hire a good divorce attorney to make sure she gets her share before it all gets goes down the drain of the Cain train.

Mrs. Cain's name is Gloria, nathan, and she appears

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 3:34AM EST (link)

to be a lovely lady. Why on earth a man or woman would throw away years of marriage, a family, and all of the things that go along with it, for a few moments of a supposed “thrill” is just beyond my comprehension. I agree with you in hoping that Gloria will do the right thing, if all of these things are true. To me that would be your suggestion, even though it would be horribly painful to do. On the other hand, why would anyone want to crawl into bed every night with someone who obviously had rather be elsewhere? Not ME.

The thing that really gets me is that the article that I read about the last woman’s story states that after the fifth lady turned down Cain’s request to hook him up with someone, he then had the GALL to send the office personnel some of his own personal gospels. Man, that really got my goat!

When I read the Bible....

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 4:15AM EST (link)

…it has verses such as “Thou shalt not commit adultery,” and even more unpleasant verses that I am often tripping over that even if you look at a woman in lust you are committing adultery. It would have been wiser had Mr. Cain made a covenant with his eyes not to lust after other women, given his marriage. It’s a good way to build trust and show loyalty to your spouse after all. To engage in what would at least appear to be adulterous behavior or at least coming close to it, stiff a group of women for the bill (apparently) because one is disappointed about not having a date with an attractive woman when one is already married, and then send them his own gospel? That’s crossing several lines.

Perfect definition of a cad, wouldn't you say, nathan?

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 5:01AM EST (link)

Well, that and a few other descriptions – cheapskate or tightwad or vindictive you-know-what could be more of them. Yes, if true, all of these things add up to a complete and total lack of character on his part, and that’s not even getting into either flat-out adultery or even attempted adultery.

Yes, I’m familiar with the scriptures you refer to. The first one is a given, but the other about looking at a woman is more vague to me. Not that I don’t agree with its intent and meaning, it is just that we are all human and I can see where it might be very difficult for a man to not look. I’m just conflicted as to the implementation of it – if you look but avoid the temptation, then you are above the fray, so to speak. So I don’t know for sure, but then I’m not a man either. It is a toughie, I would think, though.

God love you, nathan. You seem to be such a young nice man, and I enjoy talking to you.

Thanks :)

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 7:42AM EST (link)

I enjoy talking with people who aren’t candi-bots, and you definitely think and write for yourself as well. It’s always a good thing to find like-minded individuals wherever one is. Speaking as a young man, it’s hard not to look (and pretty hard not to desire, but at least one should be able to control your actions and try to bring every thought into subjection to God’s ways, as hard as that is.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I don't know pttx.

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:48AM EST (link)

The only thing I really see is getting stuck with a $400 bill.
I know after the other allegations, one would look at asking the woman to talk over dinner as being suspect.
But if you didn’t know about the other 4, it would look totaly harmless.
Just a thought.
I want to give Cain the benifit of a doubt.
It’s hard at this time, but I’m trying.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Pattern of Behavior

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:52AM EST (link)

I agree that the allegation of the fifth woman *sighs* isn’t all that serious. But at this point what is most remarkable isn’t necessarily the severity of the accusations (which varies widely depending on the woman and the source one reads) but the pattern of behavior. Here is a man who has been married a long time who seems to have a roving eye for women, who shows a great deal of fiscal irresponsibility, an inability to control that roving eye and keep it disciplined (which is a serious matter of Christian morality), and even a desire to go on dates with attractive women that he doesn’t know. At this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if there are a dozen or more accusations, as this pattern of behavior seems pretty deeply set. At any rate, it should keep Cain’s accusations busy. Perhaps the Cain Train could be renamed the “Monkey Business.”

A pattern of behavior, nathan, perhaps. We're just

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:28AM EST (link)

not certain at this point. The allegations of the fifth woman to me, this old fuddy duddy self, sort of, IMHO, leans toward a description of “request for pimpification” (new word here) by Cain of said fifth woman and/or her co-workers – if true. Therefore, it would seem to be quite serious to me. But, what do I know?

Didn’t the scandalous Gary Hart have an infamous boat named “Monkey Business”? That was another doozy.

Gary Hart

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 3:23AM EST (link)

Yes, that was the name of Gary Hart’s boat, an intentional reference. At this point we have five accusers, and who knows how many more there will be. A wise married man (and for the record, I am single), would do well to avoid even the appearance of infidelity–and it appears that he wanted to have a “date” at that speech with someone, and wasn’t very picky whom. That is, at the very least, unwise behavior on his part. If this was a pattern of behavior, we should see plenty more women speaking up. There’s blood in the water now, so the sharks had better get while the getting is good.

It is a surprise to me, nathan, given your young age, that

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 3:45AM EST (link)

you would know about Gary Hart’s boat. Kudos to you on your history! Glad it was an intentional reference – it is even more funny now.

You know, even though you are single I would still be reluctant to more or less pick up someone for a “date” (and that is exactly how it sounds to me) given our culture of moral decline (I’m being polite here). And a married person would do that? No way! That is why I’ve said that, IMHO, if true, then Cain was asking the fifth woman to pimp for him. If I’m wrong, just say so – I have a tough hide. ;-) If I were the fifth woman, that would be more than enough to send me on a tirade which probably would have included something like “Just who in the hell do you think you are? And what in the hell do you think I am?” – or something like that.

Truly, this is getting stickier and stickier, and at the point there doesn’t appear to be an easy or pleasant resolution. I certainly expected and trusted deeply that there was more to Cain than the same ol’, same ol’. Though I am and always have been firmly in the tank for Perry and will remain so, I didn’t dislike Cain at all. But now, at least for me, the trust is blown. Truly sad, huh.

I agree...

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 4:11AM EST (link)

Even though I was about six years old when it happened I still vaguely remember the 1988 elections (and by the 1992 elections I was participating in mock voting in my public schools in Florida). I guess I’ve always been a bit of a political junkie.

At any rate, I’m not really interested in “picking” up dates given the moral climate in today’s world. I’m rather shy about intimacy in general, even as a single person. To be married and to want others to pick up women on my behalf is rather shockingly inappropriate behavior. I don’t see how this can get better either, and this is without any hostility to the man himself (who honestly, I had never heard about before this political cycle), even if his supporters do irritate me a little.

A political junkie fits me, too. Good for you that you

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 5:13AM EST (link)

were aware at only six years of age. You must have been a very bright little boy! The very nature of politics to me is on the one hand fascinating, and on the other hand infuriating and blood-pressure-increasing. All in one fell swoop!

Yes, it would be truly frightening to be in the dating scene today. However, there are very nice young ladies out there – you just can’t find them everywhere, because they aren’t strutting around on the streets half-dressed or hanging out in clubs or somewhere like that. But they are there, even in grocery stores, churches, etc. Not all are femi-nazi nobodies, some are really quality women – and that is what you deserve.

Cain has been around a long while. I used to listen to him sometimes on talk radio and enjoyed it very much. Guess, if everything is true, he must have been playing a huge joke on us all. Pitiful and pathetic, it is. And, yep, some of his supporters, just like the Ron Paul loons, really go to outrageous lengths thinking, stupidly so, that they are going to convert someone. Ha, the joke is on them!

Indeed

nathanalbright (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 7:32AM EST (link)

I grew up in Central Florida and (very unusually for my neighborhood and family) have always been an extremely bookish person. I devoured the newspapers (the local newspaper was/is the Tampa Tribune) and have always been right of the middle, though someone very interested in conserving our world for future generations to enjoy and not given to short-term focus. Being on the dating scene isn’t very enjoyable–as someone who doesn’t drink often or much (I am a moderationist, not opposed to drinking in moderation, just not a drinker personally), there aren’t many places to meet someone, outside of church (which is where almost all of my relationships have come from, though there have been none for the last few years).

Indeed, you’re far more familiar with Cain then I am. I’m not familiar with a lot of talk show radio hosts other than Rush and a few others like Prager and Medved (who I know either from their writings–Prager’s, or for their support of Intelligent Design, like Medved). I must say I’m a pretty rare conservative who doesn’t live by talk radio.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Sure is a thorny situation, huh gekster? On one hand

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:14AM EST (link)

I personally would never have had “dinner and drinks” with anyone, and on multiple occasions under in order to “look for a job” – to me it implies certain liberties that a man could construe as being fair game. I assume she was married, and she most certainly had to have known that he was. It just isn’t “seemly” to this old fuddy-duddy, but I don’t think certain rules have changed down through time if a woman behaves as a lady – and never will. He had no right to ask for such a one-on-one situation, but she also should have declined, albeit politely. He would have gotten the message, maybe. Surely she didn’t just fall off the turnip truck that very first day.

What a sticky wicket this has turned out to be. Who woulda thunk it?

 
 
 
 
 

Five women? Cain must be a polygamist.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:09AM EST (link)

Romney and Huntsman must be jealous.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Mitt's great-grandfather, Miles Park Romney only had 4 wives

izoneguy (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 10:24AM EST (link)


Mitt’s great-grandfather, Miles Park Romney only had 4 wives

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

 
 

On every site but this one

seth90212 Tuesday, November 8th at 1:38AM EST (link)

the vast majority of posters are rallying to Cain’s defense. So this site is definitely not indicative of how these allegations are being received.

Welcome to Perrystate.

Vaughn Harold (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 7:18AM EST (link)

n/t

The only place hell bent on taking out every Republican but Perry.

Vaughn Harold (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 7:19AM EST (link)

n/t/

At least Perry is a Republican and seems to have a shortage

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 10:10AM EST (link)

of extraneous women in his past.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

If Perry is so great he shouldn't need attack dogs.

Vaughn Harold (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:13PM EST (link)

n//t

Attack dogs

reggie182 Tuesday, November 8th at 12:22PM EST (link)

Perry’s attack dogs have been a liability to him, not an asset. I really believe a lot of undecided primary voters have witnessed the behavior of some of Perry’s supporters and have been dissuaded from voting for him because of it.

Oh that the Perryblind could see and the Perrydeath could hear what you've just said.

Vaughn Harold (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:25PM EST (link)

n..t

Vaughn, could you tell me who you support.

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:34PM EST (link)

It would help in evaluating you mental defect.
Thanks.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

I'm for all the above, and against all the infighting.

Vaughn Harold (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:47PM EST (link)

We are destroying ourselves from within. All ready people are drawing lines in the sand that they can’t support candidate “X” ever as a result of the infighting.

The infighting is being instigated by the Dems and some Rep. We all need to start focusing on saving our nation from Obama instead of the politics of personal destruction.

This is the only reason I’ve attempted to defend Cain against the Perrybots seek and destroy mission. It’s time to take off the blinders and take out the ear plugs and stop fighting amoungst ourselves.

Are you new to primary elections.

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 12:55PM EST (link)

This is normal.
Asides from a few idiots, and people who call those who show show strong support for a candidate bots, this is the time to have this infighting.
If not now, when.
After someone wins the nomination.
Is that when we start arguing about the flaws and positives.
Be thankful we are doing it now, and not halfway through the primary.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

I went through the last POTUS primary and the

Vaughn Harold (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:26PM EST (link)

infighting got us McCain. EE’s current post reflects the 99% probability that Romney will be the nominee because the infighting is hindering consolidation. We have 4 viable candidates to choose from. All the candibots need to stop attacking each other, start promoting the positives of their candidate, and let the voters decide who the nominee should be.

Now is the time to stop, not in a couple of weeks, not after Iowa or NH or SC or etc, Now!

It was not the infighting that got us McCain.

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:35PM EST (link)

It was the lack of it.
If we had pryed apart the candidates like we are doing now, McCain wouldn’t have withstood the scrutiny. Will the MSM do any worse.

If you’re not a happy camper with the dialog here, find a place where they sing kumbya all the time.
Find a place that want’s to overlook any flaws that one might have.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Wrong, conservatives where divided for basically

Vaughn Harold (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:45PM EST (link)

the same reasons now. The Rino’s know this works. More infighting is exactly what they want. So keep the infighting going and we get Romney, again this is what EE is talking about. It is inevitable unless conservatives change the rules of the game and unite.

If you say so.

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 1:56PM EST (link)

I guess we watched different elections.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

Here it is laid out for you

Vaughn Harold (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:07PM EST (link)

Now vs Then
Romney is McCain
Perry is Huckabee
Newt is Thompson
Cain is Romney

Conservatives are divided as they where then. Evangelical conservatives consolidate around Perry. Ideological conservatives consolidate around Newt. Tea party conservatives consolidate around Cain.

So exactly how do I have this wrong. It’s the same Rino playbook. Again, how does the infighting help this problem?

If "conservatives" supported Romney 4 years ago

thirstyboots Tuesday, November 8th at 2:20PM EST (link)

they will be more ready to coalesce around Romney now than people are assuming.

I agree with your view in the sense of the people who supported Romney 4 years ago are now the ones more against him and those that were opposed to him 4 years ago are now his base of support – which is funny considering that the man didn’t change in these 4 years.

I just don’t see ideological conservatives consolidating around Newt “budget reform is right-wing social engineering” Gingrich, for example

Conservatives were trying to find the Anti-McCain

Vaughn Harold (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:26PM EST (link)

4 years ago. Romney was one of the choices that divided conservatives. Romney today is not the same Romney from 4 years ago who tried to align himself with conservatives. Today Romney is aligning himself against conservatives.

How?

thirstyboots Tuesday, November 8th at 2:35PM EST (link)

Give an example of that. What political position Romney held 4 years ago that he isn’t holding now? If anything, he’s moved further to the right – see auto bailouts.

The ugly truth is that for many conservatives, it’s not about policy positions really. It’s about red-meat and loyalty to the cause. It’s about excitement. It’s about looking as much of a “true conservative” as possible. And they hated McCain because of his anti-Bush/Rumsfeld stances 4 years ago, hence they preferred a guy with a much more liberal record in Romney – that didn’t stop Erickson or Rush Limbaugh from calling him a conservative. And they don’t like Romney now because the press is calling him the most moderate – so the same guys calling him a staunch conservative 4 years ago are calling him unacceptable now. Doesn’t make any sense.

But that type of conservative is relatively unimportant in the real world, even if it’s prevalent in sites like this or amongst radio talk-show listeners. That’s why McCain cruised to the nomination and Romney will do the same this year. Mind you, 4 years ago, the 2nd choice of Huckabee and Romney supporters was McCain. The same happens this year.

 
 

If "conservatives" supported Romney 4 years ago....

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:34PM EST (link)

Then we would have national healthcare Republicans couldn’t complain about, because ‘one of our own’ put it in place.

2007: Romney said that the Massachusetts plan
“Will be a model for the nation” Newsweek, 4/16/10

Obama said that the health care bill incorperates Republican ideas and
“Is similar to the bill that Mitt Romney passed in Massachusetts” the Hill 3/30/10

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

I never supported Romney 4 years ago

thirstyboots Tuesday, November 8th at 2:43PM EST (link)

At that time, I was one of the few saying that Romneycare was unacceptable.

Guys like Erick Erickson and Rush Limbaugh were the ones calling Romney a conservative, not me.

They were wrong back then and they’re wrong now when they suggest that there’s a better candidate than Romney in the current field.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Bush and Rumsfeld got us McCain

thirstyboots Tuesday, November 8th at 1:53PM EST (link)

McCain was the only credible non-Bush candidate. His opposition to Rumsfeld incompetence on the war and his ability to dissent with Bush on issues like spending made him the only palatable candidate to the public at large and many conservatives. He also had a better and longer conservative record than all the others, going back to the Reagan years. Plus, he was pretty good on debates, especially when compared to Romney (it’s very telling that this time around Romney has often won the debates).

I have no idea what you’re talking about about the infighting. Four years ago the infight was more fierce than now. It got really nasty – also because there were a few candidates with serious aspirations and relatively large bases of support. When Thompson and Rudy dropped out of the radar, each of McCain, Romney and Huckabee could each claim the support of roughly 25% of the party sans Paulistas (with the other 25% up for grabs… McCain ended up with most of it). Now there’s less dispute because it’s basically Romney as a serious candidate and one of the C-listers temporarily polling higher. Things are much more tame now, even here on RedState.

Since you previous posts show you have no clue,

gekster (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:00PM EST (link)

I will take this one in the same context.

Want to know how I can tell?
this: He also had a better and longer conservative record than all the others, going back to the Reagan years.

You are talking about McCain, arn’t you.
That one will get coffee on the monitor every time.

They say Republicans are for the rich, Democrats are for the poor.
If they need more voters,
then they have to make more of who they are for.

We are there in the various Tea Party groups, leaderless, but not rudderless.
We steer always toward the Constitutional principles this nation was founded upon.
Erick Brockway

Ok folks, 2012 is here. Get involved

You should really deal with that tendency

thirstyboots Tuesday, November 8th at 2:17PM EST (link)

to make personal attacks. “You have no clue”, “you misinformed”, “you ignorant”, etc. Here’s my view on them most important thing to remember when it comes to the public debate: you can disagree with people without attacking them personally. Discuss the issues, attack the claims, not the person making them. As a Christian, I’m obviously not going ever to reply to you on the same basis, but I’m leaving your a lovingly word of incentive. You can change your ways if you so desire.

Yes, I was talking about McCain. Just look at McCain’s ACU records since the 80s and compare that with the other guys (I mean Romney and Huckabee). It’s a non-contest really. In fact I’d say that 4 year ago most people agreed with this; the biggest hit on McCain was that he wasn’t loyal to the party, especially during the Bush years, not policy issues themselves.

 
 
 
 
 
 

Vaughn, you come off as a Cain Butt Ramora.

Tbone (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 10:32PM EST (link)

A self righteous one at that.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

Tbone, you come off as a Perry Mexican tetra

Vaughn Harold (Diary) Wednesday, November 9th at 7:23AM EST (link)

to think that conservatives must consolidate only around Perry. I don’t really give a hoot who we consolidate around, let’s just consolidate. Obviously, Perrybots want stop until they’ve made the entire conservative movement useless in this election.

 

Language. (n/t)

Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, November 9th at 1:58PM EST (link)

.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I want to know who is paying Allred's fees.

Danielle Davis (ocleverone) (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:32AM EST (link)

Follow the money.

To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher

Danielle, there are no "fees" as such in Allred's cases, like many other high-profile ambulance chasers. They

pttx333 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 2:50AM EST (link)

know precisely which cases to pursue, where the deep pockets are located and have enough cash to float the cases until there is a huge pay-off down the road – then they swoop in with a huge percentage of the settlement as their fee, plus expenses. Allred knows full well how to accomplish such – she’s done it time and time again and is a very wealthy woman. That is the life of very successful ambulance chasers.

 
 

If this woman comes out as being credible, this is going to look like the most idiotic post ever

gator_hoo (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 11:39AM EST (link)

Yeah, way to go Herman, for trying to force a woman looking for a job to let you have your way with her. Nice.

I think this is going to come down to verifiable facts, in fact just two:

1) Did Herman Cain upgrage her hotel room?

2) Did Herman Cain regularly upgrade the hotel room of all interviewees?

If A is yes, and B is no, that is going to make him look guilty as all heck.

 

I do not think this is really something to joke about.

runner12 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 9:21PM EST (link)

If these allegations are true, then Cain is finished as a candidate and many of his supporters will be very hurt at being deceived by him.

If he is innocent, then a man’s reputation and character is being dragged through the mud. The nature of the allegations hurt his family as well as himself.

Either way, it is not something to make light of.

I will say that hiring Alred does not really boost one’s credibility. I do not know what this woman could be thinking in doing so. She has to know that Alred is a known ambulance chaser. As for the 5th woman, the conversation is hearsay and she is a big Obama supporter. This calls into question her credibility, in my mind. However, if she can corrborate her story it will shed further suspicion on him.

Honestly, I do not know what to believe anymore. I keep trying to give Cain the benefit of the doubt, even though I am a Perry supporter and will not be voting for Cain. I just hope the truth comes out soon.

Kowalski

runner12 (Diary) Tuesday, November 8th at 9:22PM EST (link)

That would be “corroborate.”

 

Thank you, runner12

Finrod (Diary) Wednesday, November 9th at 2:02PM EST (link)

If all Perry supporters were like you this site would be a lot less contentious.

Let’s get down to brass tacks here. How much for the ape?