We are birthers hear us roar in numbers too big to ignore.


“I am birther, hear me roar
In numbers too big to ignore
And I know too much to go back an’ pretend
’cause I’ve heard it all before
And I’ve been down there on the floor
No one’s ever gonna keep me down again

CHORUS
Oh yes I am wise
But it’s wisdom born of pain
Yes, I’ve paid the price
But look how much I gained
If I have to, I can do anything
I am strong (strong)
I am invincible (invincible)
I am birther.”

I wrote that.

Don’t let them shame you.
Don’t let them bully you.
Don’t let others ridicule you. 
Stand your ground. You are not alone.

There are MILLIONS of us.

Ich bin ein a birther !
I want to see that damn piece of paper.

And so do many others.

Poll: 28% of Republicans don’t believe Obama was born in U.S.

A new Research 2000 poll, sponsored by the site DailyKos, finds broad traction among Republican voters for the belief that President Obama was not born in the United States.

28%.
I think it is higher myself but some of us are intimidated by the blistering ridicule foisted upon us by our own team.

The survey of American adults asked, “Do you believe that Barack Obama was born in the United States of America or not?” It found that 77% of Americans answer affirmatively, 11% say “no,” with the balance unsure.

Those numbers means that almost 25% of the country does not believe that Barack Obama was born here or are not sure. Those are big numbers.

The poll has a margin of error of plus/minus 2%, and a larger one for the subgroups, but here’s the estimate of how broadly held the conspiracy theory, broken down by party:

Yes No Not sure
Dem 93 4 3

Rep 42 28 3

Ind 83 8 9

With nearly a third of Republicans believing the theory, you can see why Republican politicians are inclined to treat it with some respect.

Only 42% of Republicans believe he was born here. I’m no math major but last time I checked 42% was less than half.
58% of Republicans believe that Barack Obama is foreign born or are not sure.

We aren’t going to hide in the shadows or meet in dark alleys anymore.
We don’t have to secretly meet in basements.
We don’t have to feel the shame or scorn of those who lack the courage to ask “Where’s the birth certificate” anymore.
We’re loud.
We’re proud.
And we won’t be cowed.

Birthers are the one of the largest and fastest growing demographics in the Republican party. I estimate that if there are at least 60 million Republicans in this country then that means there are 15 to 20 million birthers. That makes us 4 to 5 times larger than the NRA. We are bigger than the AARP. We are bigger than the chinese military.
We outnumber the gays.
We outnumber the illegal aliens.
We are almost as large as the state of New York.
That’s a lot of voters.

People….listen to me.
Listen to me like you have never listened before.
It’s OK to want to see Barack Obama’s birth certificate.
Ssshhh sshhh….it’s OK.

This topic is exploding on the internet. The poll was commissioned by the Daily Kos of all people.
I linked to Hot Air and to the Politico.
Hot Air likes to pretend that they consider this topic to be silly but yet they have posted at least one or two diaries a day on this topic for over a week now. Hundreds of hits each.
Either they like to tease the birthers or they are trying to build a growing insurgency from which they can command with plausible deniability.
Rush Limbaugh wants to see it.
Andrew McCarthy from National Review Online wants to see it.
11 Congressman are sponsoring legislation to make mandatory to prove citizenship for Presidential Candidates.

H.R.1503 – Presidential Eligibility Act

To amend the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1971 to require the principal campaign committee of a candidate for election to the office of President to include with the committee’s statement of organization a copy of the candidate’s birth certificate, together with such other documentation as may be necessary to establish that the candidate meets the qualifications for eligibility to the Office of President under the Constitution.

People can call us crazy kooks all they want but we have plenty of company.

To keep in spirit with all my other fellow birthers I will adopt the meme that we have to use now when we discuss this. (wink wink)

I do believe that Barack Hussein Obama was indeed born in the U.S. or something like that bluh bluh blah.

Sorry Erick. Don’t be mad.


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Somebody get me a bucket of water.....

speciallist (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 10:39PM EST (link)

(splash)

Be careful.

NeoKong (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 10:43PM EST (link)

It might get ugly.

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Doubtful.

NightTwister (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 10:46PM EST (link)

It’ll get shut down before then.

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They got to you. Didn't they?

NeoKong (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 10:50PM EST (link)

Those bastards.

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And that's where I put a brake on this.

Moe Lane (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:15PM EST (link)

Lose the attitude and watch your language.

Quite correct.

NeoKong (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:31PM EST (link)

No need for bad language.
I apologize.

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I'm all for big tents and respectful disagreement...

blacksilver Friday, July 31st at 10:56PM EST (link)

but even tents have walls. Birthers need to know that they have no place in Republican politics.

Says who?

NeoKong (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:03PM EST (link)

If you keep kicking out the people you disagree with then eventually the only tent you’ll have left can be folded and put in a knapsack.
Anyone else you would like to kick out?
Gay people?
Black women?
People with accents?

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I vote for accents

David Hinz (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:07PM EST (link)

and deaf people who sign with accents! nt

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http://cannedjam.com

I don't trust deaf people.

NeoKong (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:20PM EST (link)

They can hear you….when they want to.

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Arianna Huffington has an accent.

NeoKong (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:15PM EST (link)

We let her leave and look what happened.

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The only people I know that don't have an accent are Southerners - nt

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I don't have an accent at all-nt

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Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

Your original BC will show birth below the Mason-Dixon line - nt

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My BC is from the state of North Carolina-nt

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The south is a hotbed of birtherism.

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:38AM EST (link)

Only 47 percent of Southern respondents believe Obama was born in the USA. By contrast, 93 percent of Northeasterns said yes, he was born here, 90 percent of Midwesterners did and 87 percent of Westerners.

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Hinz Rule!

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How to Make a Tinfoil HatFunny home videos are a click away

And Alcoa was up almost 3% today.

Thank you for the very helpful video becker.

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But my tailor makes my hat for me.
Double stitched.
The girl was nice.

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LMAO! Remember, Don't use Reynolds Wrap for your AFDB!

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Reynolds Wrap sold out to the Military Industrial Complex. Generic aluminum foil is recommended by the geekiest conspiracy theorists!

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"Ich bin ein a birther !"

David Hinz (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:12PM EST (link)

use it this way Dave: Ich bin ein a birther even though

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:15AM EST (link)

Obama’s birth announecent was in the Honolulu newspaper the week he was born.

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Yeah, I know, we never landed on the moon either.

NightTwister (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:27PM EST (link)

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There's the ridicule.

NeoKong (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:38PM EST (link)

Is Andrew McCarthy some sort of kook too?
How about Rush.
He would like to see it too.
So would Sean Hannity and Laura Ingraham.
So would 11 Congressman. Our Congressman.
So would U.S. Magistrate Judge Joel Schneider who is allowing a birther case to go forward.

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Rush, Hannity, Ingraham, et al...

Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 9:31AM EST (link)

…are not virulently obsessed with the topic (and I should also note that mentioning the “controversy” in passing does not constitute support). You, on the other hand, are.

Oh please.....

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 10:01AM EST (link)

Typical.

You deem the subject to be inconsequential or ridiculous then proceed to attach labels to those who may ask a simple question.
Hot Air has posted at least a dozen threads on this very same subject in the last week alone.
Do you think they do this just for fun…?
Michelle Malkin is quite a serious lady. Her new book rips Barack Obama to shreds on the subject of corruption.
She don’t play dude.

The words of AllahPundit.

On the one hand, the poll was sponsored by … Daily Kos. On the other hand, Research 2000 is a reputable pollster as far as I know and the way they posed the question wasn’t slanted.

Party-line breakdowns: Dems 93/4/3 (the last figure is “don’t know”), Indies 83/8/9, and GOP … 42/28/30. Fully 58 percent of Republicans aren’t willing to accept a state-issued Certification of Live Birth as proof that The One was born in Honolulu? I’m skeptical, but, er, not so skeptical that I’m willing to poll this myself at HA. Sounds like a job for Scott Rasmussen. How about it Scottster?

That’s pretty clear. On a thread where he says he is skeptical but not too skeptical as he encourages Rasmussen to jump in the pool party that he is hosting while he feigns indifference.
I made a joke about a surrogate army earlier but Hot Air is clearly keeping this in the public eye cloaked in a mild cloak of skepticism.
That way they can say ” Hey…it not us.It’s those crazy birthers. We’re just reporting on what’s in the news.”
They are generating beaucoup traffic over this.
The thread I linked to has almost 1,200 hits on it.

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The biggest problem I have

Return to Revolution (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:33PM EST (link)

is the consequences if O stepped down. Just when I think we can’t have a worse president, I think of “Mumbly Joe.” (Homer may have been talking about Bob Dole, but not me).

Out of hand Constitutional fetishist

Hmmmm....

NeoKong (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:43PM EST (link)

It would be nice but I doubt it would happen and I never claimed it could happen.
This is something that could make a difference in 2012 however.
It’s not that far away.

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If we can't win on our ideas and principles

NightTwister (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:43AM EST (link)

then we don’t deserve to win.

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I'm terrible at sarcasm, esp online...

blacksilver Friday, July 31st at 11:34PM EST (link)

… so is this a real Birther post, or a mock one?

 

Comes in cycles

SteveLA (Diary) Friday, July 31st at 11:36PM EST (link)

911 Truthers
Turn Turn Turn Spit RONPAUL RONPAUL RONPAUL
And now Birthers

Anyone track outbreaks of this latest phenom with the appearance of full Moons?

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Competency over ideological purity and litmus tests

 

Ever wonder why there aren't any quakes in Texas??

speciallist (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:13AM EST (link)

Because Karl Rove and George Bush can control earthquakes, and to a lesser extent, hurricanes….. Halliburton bought the tectonic plates.

Before he left office, Bush ordered a US Geological Survey coverup….

And as Co-founder of the ‘Quakers’…. I stand in Solidarity with the ‘Birthers’

That's so funny

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but it works as a great mock of birthers.

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Mock this....

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:54AM EST (link)

Federal judge says Obama lawsuit ‘raises significant issues’

However, while Schneider noted the defendants’ failure to respond in a timely manner was not caused by neglect, he also stated, “Plaintiffs’ complaint raises significant issues necessitating that the named defendants engage competent counsel to represent their interests. Given the high ranking positions of the defendants, the decision as to who will represent them in this case is not simple and straightforward.”

Schneider also stated he was confident after all the attorneys enter their appearances on behalf of all defendants, “the case will proceed expeditiously.”

And Mark Steyn too.

Do I think he was born in Hawaii? Yes — if only because the alternative is way too audacious (to use an Obama-ism) to contemplate.

But do I think there’s something on the long-form birth certificate he doesn’t want us to see? Yes. That would seem entirely likely — and consistent with his modus operandi.

And this.

One more.Le-gal in-sur-rec-tion

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agreed, but given the newspaper birth announcement

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:59AM EST (link)

it seems most likely that the BC is either lost or shows no father or another father. Either way, given his mother was American and he was born in Hawaii, he is a natural born citizen.

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Speaking of McCarthy's peice

TNJim (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 1:12AM EST (link)

a good read by the way, he sums it up by stating:

The point has little to do with whether Obama was born in Hawaii. I’m quite confident that he was. The issue is: What is the true personal history of the man who has been sold to us based on nothing but his personal history? On that issue, Obama has demonstrated himself to be an unreliable source and, sadly, we can’t trust the media to get to the bottom of it. What’s wrong with saying, to a president who promised unprecedented “transparency”: Give us all the raw data and we’ll figure it out for ourselves?

Given that I agree with how Rush summed up the same NRO article, the question isn’t whether Obama was born in Hawaii, it’s Obama’s honesty.

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Precisely

acat (Diary) Sunday, August 2nd at 3:27PM EST (link)

Goes to the content of Obama’s character that this, along with his school records, etc. etc. are all “not suitable for release”.

Not sure what’s buried in there that nobody wants us to see, but .. if there’s nothing there, why fight so hard to keep it hidden?

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I could place one tomorrow.

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 1:21AM EST (link)

Maybe even use the same name if the person behind the desk was a big enough twit.

Have you read the report by a former CIA man who says there were 4 ways to get a COLB.?

An interesting read.

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It was placed only days after his birth - nt

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Telegram. -nt

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“All that is gold does not glitter, not all those who wander are lost”. –Tolkein

 
 
 

Mike, for many folks it no longer is--or never was--

blooch Saturday, August 1st at 1:43AM EST (link)

about the question of citizenship. I’ll grant Obama his Presidential legitimacy.

It is about the secrecy and weirdness surrounding the Shroud of Honolulu.

The Left likes to rant that we invaded Iraq because Saddam had WMD, and none were ever found. We like to point out that there were many other good and legally justified reasons for invading Iraq, not just WMD.

I’m not too worried about political fallout or blowback from this whole thing; It’s not like Obama is being impeached here.

It seems like pounding “birthers” is becoming–for some–the equivalent of the Band Geek pantsing the Chess Nerd because the Jock gave the Band Geek a Swirlie.

Sheriff Obama could end this all just by saying, “Pardon me while I whip this out”.

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”

It's twu it's twu.....

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 9:36AM EST (link)

It’s just too damn suspicious for a guy who seems to be a serial non-truth teller.
He makes me long for the integrity filled days of the Clinton administration.
We can put aside all the kookiness and tinfoil and simply ask the question.

Why won’t he show it?
He has spent a fortune to keep it concealed.
It makes you wonder who is paying the legal bills.
I find it hard to believe that Barack Obama has coughed up one meellion dollars of his own money that could be spent on Michelle’s children just to keep this under wraps.
It would not be rational for something that is supposed to be just a routine document.
It stinks to high heaven.

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why won't he show it? It has to do with his father, not place of birth. That is now obvious - nt

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How so...?

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 10:19AM EST (link)

What about his father ?

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My columns and comments lay out the case - The newspaper article coupled with

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 10:38AM EST (link)

all the other evidence establishes beyond a reasonable doubt that Obama was born in Hawaii a few days before the birth announcement in the hometown paper.

If the BC really wasn’t lost, then the only other plausible explanation for refusing to release it is that it would contradict Obama’s dreams of his father. Either by listing no father or by listing his mentor in Hawaii. Either would call into question his credibility and narrative.

After reading both of his bios, I think it is quite possible Davis is his father. I suspect he found out the family secret AFTER his first book.

Look, I don’t have the energy to repeat myself over this nor even go back and get all the links that I have given you before.

The legal analysis is complete and exhaustive and correct and the logic behind the birth announcement is simply irrefutable absent

a conspiracy theory concocted while Obama was a fetus to call in a birth announcement to Honolulu from Kenya?

Yes, this could go to his credibility. So, the point is made. He is lying everyday about other things and his apology tours show the danger of non-nat borns and also liberals born here.

But the point is made and played.

Isn’t it?

btw, I think Oswald acted alone except maybe with some help from family or close friends.

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That's a good theory, GC. I could accept it,

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 10:51AM EST (link)

but I also wonder if he didn’t gin something up to finance his education or to disguise how it was being paid for. In any event, I am morally certain that he is hiding something about his personal history and it must be something that he and his handlers only found out relatively late in planning their coup and which they think would be damning.

Ths man is a mere contrivance, worse than a manchurian candidate, and nothing he says or does is true. Bill Clinton was a consumate liar, albeit a charming one. Comrade Obama’s whole life is a lie and the man has neither humor nor charm.

In Vino Veritas

amen on all that - nt

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Mike, these conspicacy threories

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:19AM EST (link)

forget the one thing that any BC(Hawa’ii is based on British common law, They got there before any US missionaries ever set foot), is a government document , so the state recognized his birth. There isn’t many ways to get around it. The fetus in Kenya to Honolulu is far fetched since it’s a long way off(LA is over 2,000 miles away and Tokyo is over 5,000 away). When I was living there, I remember seeing the map of polynesia and micronesia in the Bishop museum in Honolulu, seeing that there is alot of islands and distance, so with that, any thing that makes Kenya to Honolulu is pure nuts.

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No more than US law generally is based on British law.

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:35AM EST (link)

When the US was finally forced to come to grips with its new Pacific possessions after the S-A War, it discovered that it had a lot of brown people who if things followed the course of the other territories were about to become US Citizens and ultimately territories and states. That wouldn’t do, so in, 1904 they made the status of the new possessions different and along the way imposed mostly Oregon law on Alaska and Hawaii as the original territorial law first compiled here in Alaska in 1913 and about the same time in Hawaii. Both had territorial legislatures but they had very limited power. So, until Statehood, Hawaii had territorial law based originally on Oregon law as amended by the Territorial Legislature and by federal law and regulation.

In Vino Veritas

Sorry I haven't live in Hawaii since Oct 1988

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:01PM EST (link)

so I’m going on my limited knowledge. I know more of Texas state statutes than than Hawaiian statutes.

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basically east of the Mississippi is based on the Common Law

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 1:26PM EST (link)

West is based on Spanish Law and Louisiana is based on French law.

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Correction Mike

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Correction Mike is Mike after incarceration - nt

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If it is not a question of Presidential legitimacy...

Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 10:12AM EST (link)

…and rather a case of “well, just because!”, then the birthers have even less legal standing to see Obama’s birth certificate than they had in the first place. And they had none in the first place.

And, quite honestly, it is extremely hard to believe that the entire Birther “movement” would shut up if Obama *did* put out his Birth certificate (ignoring, of course, the fact that Hawaii uses the terms “Certificate of Live Birth” and “Birth Certificate” interchangeably): “HE HAZ TEH SEKRIT FAKE BIRTH CERTIFIKIT!!!11!one!!”

Who do you need to be .....

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 10:33AM EST (link)

to look at the damn thing?

I have had to show my birth certificate a hundred times. I couldn’t even get a duplicate drivers license without it but you think it is not necessary to become the most powerful man in the world who wants to change the U.S. economy.

You would make a good bank teller.
“Your drivers license…nah, I don’t need to see it. You’re a customer here …right ? Mmm…eight hundred, nine hundred and one more make a thousand. Have a nice day sir”

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The cert of live birth would suffice for the purposes for which BC's are required - nt

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As I read Hawaii law - and apparently some other states as well -

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:27AM EST (link)

the Certificate of Live Birth is a state generated and thus presumably reliable report of someone’s account of the birth and parentage. One would presume that a hospital and medical doctors would have legal and ethical responsibility to report the circumstances of birth truthfully. A parent(s) or other relative can also apply for a birth certificate by attesting to the circumstances of birth to the Sec. of State or Lt. Gov. as the case may be. I’m not even sure that the statement has to be made under oath.

So, I think political correctness and minority rights have probably conspired to make birth certificates much less reliable than probably most of us thought they were. As was the case here in Alaska, in the Sixties and Seventies it became both very fashionable and lucrative to be able to claim Native birth. The tour guides in Hawaii will tell you that white man disease and other depradations practically eliminated Native Hawaiians. While disease certainly took a toll, assimilation and intermarriage took a far greater toll. With all the Native claims settlements and special rights it became beneficial to have your birth certificate claim whatever heritage you wanted to claim, so laws were changed to make it easier to get a birth certificate and have it say what you wanted it to.

So, in BHO’s case, if his original birth certificate wasn’t generated by a hospital, it can say whatever his mother or another relative wanted it to say. The certificate of live birth generated by the state only certifies that there is a birth certificate on file with the State. It does not certify the factual accuracy of the information on that birth certificate. In any event, the existence of a COLB does little to prove anything other than what somebody reported. And don’t get me wrong, I’m not arguing that he isn’t a citizen, it’s just that looking into it a bit caused me to learn that neither birth certificates nor certificates of live birth are as reliable as I thought they were. That said, he’s hiding something; I just don’t know what.

In Vino Veritas

Art, finding a native hawaiian is sort like finding a tooth fairy

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:38AM EST (link)

It’s a really hard task since there aren’t many left. They have thier own island(well really one of the 8 largest islands in a chain of 20) and it happens to be like a reservation that our native Americans have. This is the only state that I know of personally that Asians are the Majority and Blacks and Whites are Minorities.

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With the passage of the Alaska Native Claims Settlement Act

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:42AM EST (link)

in ’72, lots of people previously thought to have been of Filipino, Korean, or other Asian hertitage suddenly discovered that their ancestors had, in fact, been Tlingit, Haida, Tshimshian, Athabaskan, or Yupik or Inupiat Eskimo. Funny how money can do things like that.

In Vino Veritas

Well we're all a mixed lot anyway

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:17PM EST (link)

I don’t know about you, I’m sure a Heinz 57(Heinz is now a tainted brand). I’m so mixed now, I’m not sure who to keep it all strait. I’m more Italian than Irish, even though my last name is Irish. I’ll just leave it at that for a while.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

Neither of those gets you annual "dividends" and

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:23PM EST (link)

special rights, Native Hawaiian and Native Alaskan does.

I’m 100% Honky Dog; some English, Scotch-Irish, Dutch, French, German. No protected classes or special blocks on the application for me.

In Vino Veritas

I'd rather get rid of special treatment

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:31PM EST (link)

than have to deal with that crap. I only gave part(small part) of my ethnic makeup and if I wanted to know more, I’d get a DNA test. I’ll leave the rest for another time. As I say sometimes in jest, I really want to go Viking on you.

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 

It was more difficult in the lower 48.

NightTwister (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:44PM EST (link)

I’m part Chocktaw and Cherokee, but since my ancestors didn’t register, it’s not recognized. There was a real stigma attached to being Indian at the time, so a lot of them never registered. In total I’m about 1/6th Native American. I have friends who are 1/32 and they get gov’t money. They’re as white as I am. Go figure.

I always wanted one of these t-shirts…

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Well no Chocktaw but some Cherokee- nt

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:48PM EST (link)

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 

What documentation do 1/32 Native American Indians need?

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:57PM EST (link)

I heard that you have to live on a reservation or have some proof of government documentation to get government money. How much money are we talking about. My Dad is 1/8 Cherokee so I guess that makes me 1/16? My wife is a descendant of John Alden – Plymouth Rock Pilgrims – her father has the documentation and thus I guess my kids are 1/32 Indian Pilgrims.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

It's a long story

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 1:02PM EST (link)

but more it takes more than just saying to be one. That’s what the government has done now. Of course being native american is a big deal in Oklahoma.

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You apply to the Bureau of Indian Affairs

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 1:13PM EST (link)

for a Certificate of Degree of Indian Birth. It generally requires at least one full-blood grandparent to be considered a federal Indian. Proof comes from birth records, affadavits, etc. There’s been a history of fraud and controversy between the BIA and the tribes who claim they can make anyone a member of the tribe and thus an “Indian.”

In Vino Veritas

My dads history is sketchy at best

izoneguy (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 1:20PM EST (link)

I did meet his stepfather before he died. Know one really knows what happened to his real dad. He does have a stepsister that I have met.
My dad is very secretive about his past – kinda like Obama.
It makes you wonder if you want to know, or don’t want to know.
I did hear that one of my dad’s descendants did murder someone in Louisana back in the 1840′s or so. The story is he went to Kansas where my dad is from.

The point cannot be made often enough: Modern liberalism, as embodied in the Obama presidency, is the defender of the status quo. And the status quo is a road to economic ruin. Political forces cannot redistribute the wealth that the economic system does not produce.

Secrative huh?

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:42PM EST (link)

My dad’s side has nothing to hide will tell everything. As far as the Cherokee part, that came along with my great-grand mother. She was majorally native, but not sure as to how much. I know that she was born in MS(old trail of tears), but for my records I’d need a DNA test. Sometimes, I’m not all that sure on my mothers side as well.

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Let’s Bankrupt the Democratic paty. Make spend all the money to defend thier candidates.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

5555

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:53PM EST (link)

That’s it exactly.

“The certificate of live birth generated by the state only certifies that there is a birth certificate on file with the State. It does not certify the factual accuracy of the information on that birth certificate. In any event, the existence of a COLB does little to prove anything other than what somebody reported.”

The only thing the state of Hawaii is verifying is that Barack Obama was issued a COLB and nothing more.
The state of Florida will say that say that illegal aliens are not eligible to receive a state issued drivers license yet they have issued hundreds of thousand of them to illegals.
The license may be real but is it truly legal?

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Oh really

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:38AM EST (link)

NeoKing

I’ve had to show my birth certificate maybe once, 20 years ago when I got my first US passport. Now for anything including verification of citizenship, security clearances and just about anything else. A US Passport is the ultimate identification for just about anything and I assume His Obamaness has one of those. Matter of fact with all his childhood travels to the Indonesia, I would think there is a long record of holding a valid US passport by his Obamaness and back in the 60′s getting a US passport was not a simple matter.

I’m calling “Oh really” on your known fact of :

“I have had to show my birth certificate a hundred times”

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If you don't have a passport, and lots don't,

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:48AM EST (link)

then you should have to show it whenever you change jobs so that your I-9 can be verified. Like you, though, I’ve rarely had to show my B/C and never since I got a Passport except to get my Master’s License and my Transportation Workers Identification Credential (TWIC). I had to show so much stuff for those two that I should be able to just flash them and go anywhere, but, alas, I still get the full TSA treatment even though I’ve had to endure a more rigorous scrutiny than the TSA employee underwent to get his/her job.

In Vino Veritas

Two forms of government ID

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:08PM EST (link)

Art

We just went through a full I9 verification at work, and it took two forms of government issued ID or one US passport. Funny thing, one US issued CAC card was not enough but US passport alone was good enough.

I usually travel with my CAC card, sock sniffers of the TSA seem to like it better than a US drivers license.

But still, “Hundreds of Times”…bit much. As I pointed out, His Obamness traveled to Indonesia back in the 60′s/70′s and things were tougher then when it came to Passports and Visas. I’m not even sure if back then you did not have to have a Visa to travel to Indonesia. If the Birthers were serious, they would be seeking using Freedom of Information Requests US immigration records which showed how “Barry” identified himself coming and going to Indonesia.

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StoveLA....

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:40PM EST (link)

I just got finger printed this morning.
I cashed a personal check at BoA and after presenting my drivers license the cashier asked me if I had an account. When I said no she pointed to in ink pad on the counter and said “We’ll need your fingerprint.”

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And your point is....

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:47PM EST (link)

NeoKing

Is there a point you are making here? Are you now claiming that His Obamaness has no fingerprints because he’s a space alien or something?

Are Birthers now claiming that in addition to no Birth certificate His Obamaness has no finger prints, signifying what?….SO CONFUSING.

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It's simple Stove.

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:56PM EST (link)

I had to show more identification to cash a little check than Barack Obama had to to become POTUS.

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Just checking

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 1:07PM EST (link)

I think BofA was just checking that you weren’t an employee of YOYODYNE, John BigBoote.

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A few things

Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 10:48AM EST (link)

First, stop putting words into my mouth:

I couldn’t even get a duplicate drivers license without it but you think it is not necessary to become the most powerful man in the world who wants to change the U.S. economy.

Did I say that? I don’t think I did. If I am wrong, you will quote me as saying that any person off the street can become President of the United States. Otherwise, remove the chip from your shoulder.

Second, you have already agreed to the statement by several people that is not a question of presidential legitimacy. You and the rest of the Birthers had a sliver of a point when it was a question of presidential legitimacy; now you have none, by your own avowal.

My point is this: President Obama does not have to show you or anyone else in the country his Birth Certificate (again, ignoring the fact that Hawaii uses “COLB” and “Birth Certificate” interchangeably, which has only been explained a few billion times) just because you want to see it. Even if every single person on the planet wanted to see his Birth Certificate, he would not have to produce it. He might get voted out of office, but he still doesn’t have to show it. He does not, in fact, have to produce it when he is not legally required to do so.

That is exactly your opinion.

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:12PM EST (link)

You claim “I never said that” but that is indeed what you mean when you say no one has the right to look at his birth certificate.
Incidentally,many states do not accept a COLB as proof of identification.

” My point is this: President Obama does not have to show you or anyone else in the country his Birth Certificate (again, ignoring the fact that Hawaii uses “COLB” and “Birth Certificate” interchangeably,,/blockquote>

They do now.
A most recent change.

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Can you construct a single sentence without injecting ten different logical fallacies into it?

Thrhheggeegwc Jjtkylkfofud (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 3:18PM EST (link)

You claim “I never said that” but that is indeed what you mean when you say no one has the right to look at his birth certificate.

Right. Who better to interpret *my OWN words* than you?

Incidentally,many states do not accept a COLB as proof of identification.

Non-sequitur. Obama was not born in any of the states that “do not accept a COLB as proof of identification.”

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

TRUTH? HE'S NATURAL CITIZEN. HIS REAL BIOLOGICAL FATHER WAS FRANK M. DAVIS. nt

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 9:55AM EST (link)

I knew it.

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 10:03AM EST (link)

That explains a lot.

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LOL!

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 10:30AM EST (link)

I like the poem above.

For the birthers to be effective against the One, they need to smile a lot while telling their stories.

If they can annoy the One, that’s indeed a big accomplishment already.

 
 
 

How does a "movement" that calls into question the intellect, rationality and credibility of its followers...

rbdwiggins (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 10:14AM EST (link)

reinforces the state-run media’s stereotyping of Republicans as “Right-Wing Extremists,” does not even attempt to address a myriad of economic and national security issues and will fail to change the status quo in any meaningful way advance the cause of Liberty?

“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan

 

So the "same" 25% who thought that fire didn't melt steel....

JadedByPolitics (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:00AM EST (link)

think The One is foreign born well you will be ignored vis a vis the truthers but keep coming back it is with pleasure that I personally will mock you!

All hail the 25% of American’s who FEED off of conspiracies! This is how the UFO, BigFoot and any number of conspiracies still live on hell I can see this one now on History it will follow the 9-11 show they did. It will be a whole day of every Nessie you can think of day and 25% of American’s will watch it which is why In Search Of with Leonard Nimoy does so well even today.

What do you say to the Judge magistrate?

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:47AM EST (link)

He is allowing the case to go forward and considered it to be serious.

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Have you seen the rulings from the 9th Circus?

NightTwister (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:57AM EST (link)

This judge has probably been bored out of his mind for years.

The fact that you think a single judge allowing this to go forward gives it credibility shows how desperate you really are.

The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter. – Winston Churchill

A single judge can change the course of history.

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:33PM EST (link)

How many laws or rulings have come down to the opinion of “a single judge” ?

It was “a single judge” that gave George Bush a victory in the 5-4 ruling in Bush V. Gore.

The Court ruled 5–4 that no constitutionally valid recount could be completed by a December 12 “safe harbor” deadline. The Court asserted that “the Supreme Court of Florida has said that the legislature intended the State’s electors to ‘participat[e] fully in the federal electoral process,’ as provided in 3 U.S.C. § 5.” The Court therefore effectively ended the election, because “the Florida Legislature intended to obtain the safe-harbor benefits of 3 U. S. C. §5.”

Other 5-4 SCOTUS rulings.
Roe v Wade/
D.C. v Heller
Kelo v New London.
Miranda v Arizona.

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This is standard idiocy from you NeoKong.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:47PM EST (link)

There is absolutely no comparison between a SCOTUS justice and a random federal court judge and for you to project some conclusion that there is a valid point of law here is simply rank stupidity and a validation that you have no clue about the court system in the US.

More proof that you’re a moonbat.

After seeing a Editorial cartoon in Houston Chronicle

Richard Mullins (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:52PM EST (link)

I’ll have to say they are bit too strange for me. The Cartoon put more like the classic way of thinking of aliens(take me to your so-called leader).

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Joe Biden is like a Decrepit Park owner with a Meth lab that happens to not only be a dealer but a user.

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Bicker....we talked about this.

NeoKong (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:59PM EST (link)

I am not going to respond to you unless you take back all the cruel things you have said and apologize and promise to be nicer.

You’re such an angry man.
Are you drinking already.

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I LOVE all the new usernames...lol

speciallist (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 1:04PM EST (link)

‘StoveLA’……lol….

Me too, $peciallost

blooch Saturday, August 1st at 2:35PM EST (link)

And NeoKong, you should be on the bottom of the Space Shuttle. You go waaay out there, but you can really take the heat. Good show, man.

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Bicker vs. Moonbat?

Rod_Patrick (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 2:44PM EST (link)

Go, guys!

Red on Red.

[Or some might say; Birther vs Birther-hater.]

Luv name calling. It’s my first offense here at RS.

 
 
 

All it takes is 60 Senate votes

Tbone (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 1:08PM EST (link)

and a random judge becomes a Justice.

Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.

 

THERE ARE TWO MAGISTRATE JUDGES!

erinofree Saturday, August 1st at 2:34PM EST (link)

There are two cases where the Judges are going to here the cases.

One with Ortiz on the merits with Carter and the other with Apuzzo.

You can take a horse to water, but he eats the sand.

 
 
 
 

A case goes forward if the facts AS ASSERTED

Achance (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 1:07PM EST (link)

constitute a cause or controversy. That is merely a facial impression, then you get to all that proof stuff and the question of whether the facts AS PROVEN constitute a cause or controversy and if so whether they constitute somehting within the authority of the court and which violates the law or invokes some right or duty. So, going forward is a long way from proving anything.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

that is SO unkind Jaded

David Hinz (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 11:41PM EST (link)

I mean how unkind of you to lump the people who honestly believe in UFO’s with a bunch of conspiracy nuts.

I mean, LOOK AROUND YOU! Can you honestly look at your fellow citizens — even some of whom post on this very website — and NOT believe in UFO’s?

amen. I just saw a UFO - couldn't tell if it was a gnat or a fly - nt

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Seriously RS...

OccamsRazor (Diary) Sunday, August 2nd at 12:04AM EST (link)

“It’s the political off season”. We have been argueing about this for a few months now, and we have YET to come to a conclusion.

 

Mike, you're above this

OccamsRazor (Diary) Sunday, August 2nd at 12:07AM EST (link)

Let ‘hotair’ run with this. :) I ain’t nobody. Just askin’ anyway.

Of course, it could have been a really, really small

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Martian

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It could happen...

Britcom (Diary) Sunday, August 2nd at 7:18AM EST (link)

While on my way back from Venus in 2000, I heard on the radio that the Democrats were bringing inhabitants fom Jupiter to the polls. Luckily they can’t read their ballots.

Dateline - Jupiter, Florida

Ahem… that would be Jupiter, and Venus, Florida

;)

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Mike, as everyone knows -- size doesn't matter!

David Hinz (Diary) Sunday, August 2nd at 11:17AM EST (link)

PETA's protection of flies makes more sense now - nt

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Sunday Shows re Birthers unfortunate mis-labeling; Gregory v Summers and Greenspan's

Mike gamecock DeVine (Diary) Sunday, August 2nd at 11:36AM EST (link)

echo of GC re housing has not hit bottom and could well cause a double dip recession

Gregory on MTP has asked simply brilliant questions of Summers re how health care not about econ recovery; that stimulus should be repealed given its failure and the debt and

The birthers should be called the birth certificaters

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Harold Ford calls for a supply side stimulus!!! on MTP - nt

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Great point by JC WATTS re Obama's zero sum game on energy - nt

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Treatment for this affliction will most certainly be covered under Obamacare!

Vegas_Rick (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 12:45PM EST (link)

Give it a rest already.

“God is great, beer is good and people are crazy.”- Billy Currington

“Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan ‘press on’ has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.” Calvin Coolidge.

 

Old Irish saying " Your mother is a fact, your father merely an opinion."

Michael M. Keohane (Diary) Saturday, August 1st at 7:13PM EST (link)

As long as Barrack Obama is his mother’s son, it makes no difference where he was born. He qualifies, through her citizenship status, as a natural born citizen no matter where he was born : Kenya or Hawaii.

This little act of complete futility reminds me of a story from my childhood. A local gangster from the Bronx was suspected of having masterminded a major fur heist in Manhattan. Every chance they got, the Safe & Loft Squad would roust this guy and bring him in for questioning. They would play “musical station houses” to frustrate his attorney with the Writ of Habeus Corpus.

This went on for quite some time. One of the gangster’s associates found out who had actually done the fur heist and told the gangster that he was willing to “drop a dime” on the thieves. The gangster said don’t do it. After all, as long as they are trying to pin the fur heist in Manhattan on the gangster, they were not looking too closely at a double killing in Queens.

Those people wasting their time and resources on the birth certificate issue are like the Safe & Loft Squad. Except for the fact that the Safe & Loft Squad had an actual crime while the “birther’s” have only their faulty interpretation of United States law.

Do not classify the words or deeds of your opponents as being hatefull, malicious or criminal in nature if they can also be easily characterized as simple ignorance or gross stupidity. Anon.

The waste of time isn't asking for the certificate.

SoulEspresso Sunday, August 2nd at 3:19AM EST (link)

The waste of time is assuming that it undermines his citizenship. It won’t. Obama is a citizen because his mother was; if that weren’t enough, the announcement in the Honolulu paper ought to be enough.

Anyone who thinks he’s some kind of foreigner is truly nuttier than squirrel droppings.

I don’t have a dog in this fight, but it seems obvious based on the evidence that the certificate has other information which the President does not want made public. Is it worth it to embarrass an already embattled President?

 
 

Are you for real or is this satire?

MrsNachos (Diary) Sunday, August 2nd at 6:21PM EST (link)

Look, if the guy wasn’t born here, it would have made news long before he made the presidential nomination. To continue on like this when he’s screwing it up on his own and there are other things to attack is redundant and a colossal waste of your time and mine.

Spend that time hitting the points that we can do something about NOW.

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Nice to see that you've not given up on your quixotic quest

aesthete (Diary) Sunday, August 2nd at 10:15PM EST (link)

What do you want from Republicans and the Republican Party? Legitimacy? Funding? Acceptance? What?! I have many problems with birthers, but for this post, I’ll limit myself to one: it seems to me that birthers (including yourself) have this as a game plan.

1) Pout about and draw attention to birth certificate.

2) …

3) Obama’s support drops to -20% after the truth comes out and is voted out as the foreigner he is! Yay us!

There’s absolutely no mechanism ATM to get the birth certificate out without using the courts, and if you’ve already conceded that Obama’s citizenship isn’t in question, there’s no legal reason for Obama to have to show us his certificate.

Do I think that there’s something weird about Obama’s refusal to release his BC? Sure; an explanation like the ones given by Achance and Mike are rational, IMO. But isn’t it a better use of our time, effort, and resources to make this oddity part of a media campaign to show Obama as overly secretive and suspicious, rather than bang our heads on a wall by trying to focus on getting Obama to release his certificate?

The act of defending any of the cardinal virtues has today all the exhilaration of a vice – G.K. Chesterton