An overview of California’s “other” race


California’s race for the Senate is easy for people all across the country to care about, but we’re also going to elect a new Governor next year. Term limited or not, Governor Schwarzenegger has burned his bridges with most of the party and likely will never seek elective office again.

So it’s an open seat, and an open field for both parties this time around. Let’s start with the Democrats. It’s less depressing that way.

The Democrats

The Democrats have only held the Governor’s chair for five of the last twenty eight years. Before Gray Davis of the Recall won it, the previous Democrat to win was none other than Attorney General Jerry "Moonbeam" Brown . He is capping off his political comeback after losing for Senate and President (twice). In 1998 he became Mayor of Oakland (serving two terms), In 2006 he became Attorney General of California, and after one term of that he’s taking another stab at the Big Chair. Having served two terms he’s still not term-limited because he took and left office long before term limits.

Moonbeam would be a disaster for the state, of course. He’s the wrong man for the wrong time. He’s the one who began us down the path of economic ruin with his "environmental" policies which seek to drive out of state as much commerce (and as many jobs) as possible. He’s a tax hiker who will add punitive taxation to businesses he feels are inappropriate under his "green" and red policies, as though we could afford to be picky in a recession.

Brown also picks hard-left judges who are soft on crime. He was the one who appointed Rose Bird to the California Supreme Court, who was so out of step with even California that she was voted off in a historic defeat for a California Judge. As Attorney General he has pledged to uphold the death penalty, because he at least respects the rule of law and has a duty as AG, but as Governor he will have no such obligation. Expect vicious murderers to get reprieves should Brown win.

The other declared Democrat is San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom . Think Moonbeam, only worse. His biggest failing is that he is a radical with no respect for the rule of law. He got nationwide attention when he unilaterally declared a new definition of marriage in San Francisco, and "married" a bunch of homosexual couples. He was shot down by the California Supreme Court of course, as was he when San Francisco’s sweeping gun ban was overturned as an overstepping of city power. Imagine what he’d do as Governor, with no respect for the law or the Constitution, as he worked his far-left agenda.

As a conservative Republican I think our best chances lie with a Newsom upset in the primary, but I’d hate for him even to get that close. For what it’s worth, the two most recent polls show Brown to be in good shape. An August Research 2000/Daily Kos poll of likely voters put Brown ahead of Newsom 29/20, barely within the 5% MOE. In the general the poll shows Brown trouncing all Republican comers, while Newsom trails one Republican and is within a point of the other two. As an aside, that same poll shows Boxer crushing Fiorina by 21 and DeVore by 24, putting both possible Senate Repubicans well within the 4% MOE of each other (Yes, the poll has a 5% MOE for primaries and 4% for the general).

The other poll, by J. Moore Methods, shows likely Democrat primary voters preferring Brown to Newsom 46-26, a total rout.

The Republicans

Why do I call those Democrats less depressing than the Republicans? Consider our frontrunner, political novice Meg Whitman.

On record as loving the left-wing radical and former Green Jobs Commissar Van Jones, Whitman is already pushing a “green jobs” agenda of her own.

And the best part: She is unequivocally, unabashedly, unapologetically “pro-choice.” Zoom a head to 6:40 of this video to hear her say it to the applause of her supporters:

About the only good thing I can say about her is that she supported Proposition 8.

Next up is former US Representative Tom Campbell. Before his campaign for governor he came out strongly on two issues. First, he vociferously opposed Proposition 8 to restore marriage in California, making the absurd and insulting comparison with ‘race’ discrimination. Did you know you’re on the side of hateful bigots if you favor marriage? Tom Campbell thinks so.

As if I needed to go on, the other proposal Campbell made lately was an 18 cent gas tax hike . The Democrats won’t cut spending, so Campbell wants to raise taxes to fund that spending spree. Of course, he did this when gas prices were unnaturally low, but anyone could see that gas would rise back well above two dollars a gallon here, and now in fact it’s back over three. But if Tom Campbell had his way, we’d all be paying the price of even more expensive gas used to ship everything sold in all our stores in California.

While he’s against us on marriage, Campbell is hiding on the issue of abortion. He supports wishy-washy measures like parental notification laws, but I’m having a very hard time finding a firm position he’s taken on the core of the issue. His website is absolutely silent on the issue, which I think says it all.

Lastly we have Insurance Commissioner Steve Poizner. I do not hide the fact that I’m partial to Poizner in this race, but it is only in a sighing, by-default sort of way that I prefer him to win the primary. Because he joins Whitman and Campbell as being to the extreme left on social issues. I don’t know why we can’t have a single candidate who’s with us on abortion and marriage, but we don’t. Poizner was with us on Proposition 8, but is “pro-choice”, expecting to sell the base on himself by taking the John Kerry route of setting himself up as personally opposing abortion.

Poizner however is right on the issues of taxation and small government. He favors a part-time legislature, lowering tax rates to spur growth in the state and raise revenue, and plans to fight the pro-spending unions in the state by appealing to the members, bypassing the corrupt, socialist fatcats in charge of those unions. He also opposes a “carbon tax.”

Plus in Poizner over Whitman we have a proven politican who has shown he knows how to win a statewide general election in this state. Whitman is a complete unknown. She may turn out to be a political goofball and self-destruct like a Creigh Deeds, especially when she’s going to be up against the full brunt of the California Democrat-Union alliance, a high-pressure way for a total beginner to make her start running for elective office. Poizner has proven he can make it to election day without a total meltdown.

So, as I said up top, the choices are pretty depressing. The California Republican Party has apparently run out of conservatives willing to fight the tough fight and take a stand for values, character, and principle in this state. Instead we have the left fringe looking to drive a stake in the heart of the conservative base, dictating to us what’s really important, and capitulate to the Democrats on anything possible in order to notch up some meaningless electoral victories.

I will vote for the Republican next November, but none of these people could entice more than that from me, like a Chuck DeVore or a Tom McClintock could.


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Now you know how I feel about getting to vote

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 11:46AM EST (link)

for John McCain.

Trade you

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 11:53AM EST (link)

Trade you Babs or Di Fi for McCain, any day.

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I'll take Babs.

mbecker908 (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 2:17PM EST (link)

She’s just a raving idiot with a subzero IQ. She doesn’t really do any real damage. McCain consistently damages both the Party and the Country.

 
 
 

pitiful

redpens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 11:56AM EST (link)

These are the best candidates for CA governor? In either party? YIKES!

Yeah apparently everyone's tired of it

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 12:16PM EST (link)

McClintock completely gave up on statewide office and ran for the House instead, for example.

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I thought Whitman was finished...

mikefisk (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 11:56AM EST (link)

…when she spoke in public in support of McCain. Her rambling, aimless statements made me question if she was actually from this planet.

Apparently there were some that heard that and thought “You know what? This woman has what it takes to be governor.”

Anyone who thinks that, based on what I have heard come out of Meg Whitman’s mouth, shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near elected office. I mean, she’s the Republican equivalent of Barbara Boxer in terms of vapidity…

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Amateur Night

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 12:02PM EST (link)

mike

It’s like open mic night at the comedy store. Except in this case it’s multi-millionaires who can self finance their run for office, at least on the R side.

We’re probably headed for Flash Back times with Governor Moonbeam. I’m not so sure that it will be as bad as Dear Leader Obama out here, as Moonbeam has a way of getting up both parties nose on some issues. Heck, even Grey who was Moonbeams Chief of Staff was sort of effective at controlling his party, something the Girlyman Governator has been terrible at. Well actually Girlyman Governator has been terrible with working with both parties, so how bad can it get?

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In this election, it doesn't really matter.

UpLateAgain (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 12:38PM EST (link)

That’s the sad part. Bad as he was (is), Arnold was to the right of any of these nimnos on social issues, and the couple of times he tried to be the least little bit fiscally responsible, he was shot down…… in flames.

You could have the rest of the country wake up, vote Barry and anybody even remotely liberal out of office in the next four years, and CA would see itself as the bulwark against the national slide into conservatism.

CA is the shining example of where Obama’s policies are going to take the nation if not reversed. The state is a disaster, getting worse by the day ( e.g., I still have friends in the CA law enforcement community. In some counties they are being told to NOT make any drug arrests whatsoever… even for pounds of methamphetamine. There’s just no room in the jails that remain functioning for drug offenders) and yet it will undoubtedly go for more of the same.

Those citizens who remember the prosperity of the Reagan, Wilson, or Deukmejian governorships are for the most part relocated or dead…. at least in any number sufficient to really make a difference.

You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.

I like Whitman

proudgop (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 12:43PM EST (link)

I wrote her out a check ( not that she needs it)

The woman has the best business background out of all the candidates and if she can change the way CA does business. Good luck. Plus, I think she has best shot at keeping the Gov mansion in our colum

Clinton just endorsed Newsom wonder how that will play out? Newsom is basically only where he is because of his looks and gay marriage issue.

That says a lot

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 12:49PM EST (link)

That you consider Whitman and Schwarzenegger to be on the same team, and on your team, says it all, really.

Because Arnie has disavowed the Republican party, calling himself post-partisan.

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just My Opinion

proudgop (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 12:53PM EST (link)

I don’t like attacking Republicans I try to play by Reagan’s rule

You didn’t note Rasmussen poll which had Whitman running strongest and only 4 pts behind Brown and beating Newsom

Then how could you support Arnie?

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 12:56PM EST (link)

He’s attacked conservative Republicans since before he took office, and has a Democrat chief of staff.

So if Whitman is like him, we must defeat her.

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business background

proudgop (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:05PM EST (link)

won’t you give her kudos for her very impressive business background? this is what California needs

Whitman performs well among unaffiliated voters. Among that group, she leads 44% to 24% when matched against Brown, 38% to 22% against Newsom and 50% to 21% against Villaraigosa

Meg Whitman (R)
38%
Jerry Brown (D)
40%
Some Other Candidate
5%
Not Sure
17%

Meg Whitman (R)
37%
Gavin Newsom (D)
34%
Some Other Candidate
8%
Not Sure
21%

rasmussen poll numbers above

Impressive?

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:36PM EST (link)

Poizner has started businesses. Whitman hasn’t.

So here’s my summary on Whitman that I just uploaded:

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I like Poizner too,

Cheryl (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:42PM EST (link)

heard him interviewed on local radio and he impressed me.

Direct answers, no sidesteps. I can see him getting strong support from the agricultural community.

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Her "impressive business credentials"...

acat (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:40PM EST (link)

… are that she joined a “lightning-in-a-bottle” company at the right time… and even then, there were issues.

She doesn’t seem to be a very in-touch-with-reality person ..

Not sure if she’s better or worse than Moonbeam, but …

Mew

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Being "lucky" is half of success

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:47PM EST (link)

acat

While I agree with you that Meg caught some lucky breaks, she did a pretty good job of guiding eBay to success in the early years and you can argue that sometimes being “lucky” in business is sometimes part of success. Whitman was clearly lucky with eBay with some of that luck coming from being a good business person.

I don’t get the in-touch-with-reality comment, what do you base that on?

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One of the things missing from Meg's autobio...

acat (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 2:03PM EST (link)

…over on Wikipedia was her time at FTD.

I knew a couple people who worked with her during that time. This was well before she went to eBay. People who dealt with her on a daily basis. Their opinion was she’s smart, but .. not tuned in.

I’ve head similar rumors out of eBay – there was a story that she had not been paying attention to what IT was saying, and requested some change that brought all of eBay down for hours… don’t know how true that is.

My opinion of her isn’t negative, just .. not all that positive either.

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Are you a Californian, proudgop?

Third Street (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 1:55AM EST (link)

I’m just asking, ’cause you’ve always seemed to know a whole lot about all the key players in every governor’s, Senate, and House race in America, to the point that you push folks like Tom Ridge, Jane Norton, and now Meg Whitman because “they can win”, for some reason or another; yet I’ve never gotten any clear sense of where you yourself live, beyond having grown up in Rhode Island (oh wait, I’m sorry; that was somebody else).

I’m also asking because I, personally, have always considered it bad form to get directly involved in the statewide elections of states I don’t reside in. I can understand working for and donating to out-of-state congressional and Senate races, because their outcomes truly do affect everybody in America, but gubernatorial elections are a no-no to me, a feeling born of my ingrained Southern contempt of carpetbaggers. I still remember how ticked off I got in 2003 when I heard about people from states like New York actively working to get Kathleen Blanco elected Governor of my native Louisiana, a race that ultimately had no effect on them whatsoever, beyond their desire to see a “red” governorship turned “blue” in an off-year election. They got their wish, and I and the rest of the citizens of LA had to live with the results of their activism, and I’m sure I don’t have to tell you how that worked out when Katrina hit.

Until very recently, I was a transplanted Californian. It took a little while to sink in, and it broke my heart because there is so much to love about CA, but I finally came to the conclusion that the only place that state was ultimately going — politically, economically, and socially — was straight down, and that it didn’t really make sense for me to invest any further in trying to build a life there. I was leaning towards supporting Poizner before making the decision to get out altogether; now, I’m back in LA, and have a governor named Bobby who is infinitely preferable to any of the possibilities California is going to wind up with next year. That being the case, I won’t be taking sides in the Golden State’s next gubernatorial election, ’cause it really just isn’t my business anymore.

If you are in fact a Californian then carry on, and I apologize for my tone.

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Drug busts in CA

Cheryl (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:32PM EST (link)

continue without exception, that according to my son who’s a police officer. What the court does at serve justice (fines or work projects vs. prison), I don’t know. Law enforcement would be shooting themselves in the foot if they didn’t make those busts, especially when you have to justify existing payrolls and manpower.

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It apparently varies from county to county.

UpLateAgain (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 3:33PM EST (link)

My former Lieutenant called me the other day just to BS. He’s still working. I’m now retired. He told me the DA had told the Department to not make ANY drug arrests where the sole charge being sought is the possession or sale or use of drugs (unless they are driving). Normally, DUI is a misdemeanor (felony with sufficient priors or death or severe injury involvement), and the suspect is cited out as soon as he is sober/straight. Normally drug possession (other than marijuana) is a felony. They can still arrest for the misdemeanor, but not the felony.

Also, if there is some other crime involved, they can arrest for the other crime, and the seized drugs are in evidence. But the other crime will be charged…. not the drugs. If the only crime is the drugs, the officers are merely to seize the drugs for destruction and let the suspect walk.

The D.A. apparently has also ordered the Sheriff to not book drug-only arrests, because the D.A. is not going to charge them. If the guy comes in on multiple charges that include drugs, the Sheriff is to 849(b) (essentially to un-arrest) them on the drug charges.

The city police department is small enough that it does not have its own jail, so if the Sheriff won’t take them, there’s absolutely no point in arresting if you can’t immediately cite them out of custody (and normally you don’t cite out felonies).

In fact, given the DA’s position, you are potentially opening yourself up for adverse civil action if the officers arrest under that circumstance. So in a strange twist of fate, making the drug arrest (when told not to do so by the D.A.) potentially becomes shooting yourself in the foot.

I’m not going to mention the county, or the city in question because there’s no point in advertising that sort of thing, but there it is.

You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.

 
 
 

Thees aren't all the GOP candidates for CA-GOV

SE-779 (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:32PM EST (link)

There are 2 others named Scott Vyka and Ken Miller, and they ought to be looked at because from what I’ve seen of them, they’re true Conservatives.

http://www.freewebs.com/vyka/
http://www.kencares2010.com/

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Never heard of 'em

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:38PM EST (link)

And I think they’re polling below the MOE, so I don’t really want to pin my hopes on them.

Has either of them won office before?

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Neil, what about Di Fi?

Cheryl (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:44PM EST (link)

Wasn’t she entertaining a run for Governor?

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I don't think so

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:51PM EST (link)

She ran for Governor in 90, then ran for Senate to bide her time for her next run.

But a funny thing happened: She *liked* being in the Senate.

She’ll stay in the Senate until she’s ready to retire.

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It's not electability

SE-779 (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 2:11PM EST (link)

I’m concerned about, it is the fact that they’re the real Conservatives in this race that counts. No, they’ve never been elected before, but neither had Joseph Cao, Tom Rooney, Cynthia Lummis, Don Carcieri, or Arnold Schwarzenegger when they ran, and they won.

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So make a statement?

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 2:17PM EST (link)

SE-779

Well have fun with making a statement, I tend to think we have elections to choose people who run the government of “We the people”. These folks may be nice wonderful folks, but they have about 0 percent of winning a state wide election.

Mind if I not waste my vote on “statements”.?

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This is a serious question Neil, please don't hate me ;)

gahazzah (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:43PM EST (link)

I do not understand where the abortion issue matters here. I understand why abortion matters and I’ll concede that knowing a candidate’s stance in a federal election matters, however I do not understand the relevance in a gubernatorial election.

The CA Governor has no say in abortion outside of the aforementioned wishy-washy notification laws that typically never see the light of day thanks to CA voters. This is a federal issue and unless Roe is overturned it will stay as such with the governor not having a say regardless.

I feel as though I’m missing something here from a practical sense.

It’s not that I’m supporting any of the candidates regardless atm, I just don’t understand the focus on an issue that isn’t one policy-wise for the office in question.

/government

If you don't understand...

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:52PM EST (link)

…then looking at your sig, I suggest you read Ronald Reagan’s extensive writing on the issue. He published a book on it back in the 80s.

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Can you be more specific?

gahazzah (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 1:35AM EST (link)

What’s the title?

I was being serious, I’ll look into his writing on this issue (not abortion as I understand the moral issue there, but how it affects statewide elections considering Roe).

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Not much really

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 2:02PM EST (link)

gahazzah

You are correct, abortion is not a major issue here in CA, it’s not even close. The general electorate in the state is pretty much in favor of the laws on the books now and as far as I know there is not a late term abortion provider like in Kansas in CA that would tend to polarize the electorate on the issue and force an honest discussion about limits on abortion.

There’s probably some reason to look at how pro-choice Meg is, and an opportunity to discuss shades of stance on this issue, but for many it seems it’s a binary issue. At least in CA you have to reach the I’s and moderate D’s to win state wide, and those voters tend to be moderate on this issue.

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Why abortion matters

suzieQ (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 9:59AM EST (link)

To borrow a quote from the Value Voters Summit:

“The nation’s fiscal policy and its family policy are two sides of the same coin,” said House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R., Va.). Rep. Mike Pence (R., Ind.), the third-ranking House Republican, added, “We must recognize that our present crisis is not just economic and political, but moral in nature.”

The same moral ambiguity that pushes for the killing of a fetus is the same intestinal fortitude that brings tax and spend binges.

As governor, Romney made no similar effort to amend or repeal the state law, which required employers that purchase insurance plans in Massachusetts to pay for contraceptives.

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Doesn't even remotely answer my question

gahazzah (Diary) Monday, September 21st at 4:53PM EST (link)

I was asking why it matter on the State level considering that the Roe decision has obliterated anything affirmative action that States can take on this issue. Any bill that diminishes abortion at the state level will likely be ruled unconstitutional which makes the whole issue a non-starter at the State level.

Also, saying that abortion and fiscal issues are one in the same is ridiculous at best. You don’t need to outlaw abortion in order to cut pork-barrel spending. You can make some morally equivalent issue about corruption or government control but at the end of the day the two issues are not intertwined. You can cut Murtha’s airport on the federal level or the hundred plus pointless commissions on the state level and never come near the abortion issue.

/government

 
 
 

Down ticket

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:53PM EST (link)

While I’m not enthused by any of the choices on the R side of the ticket, at least none of the major candidates would be a drag on down ticket offices.

A really unelectable nominee would tend to turn off voters and kill any chances in lower office races, and I don’t see anyone who fits that bill, well at least ones that are major candidates.

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Spitting on the base can keep people home, too

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 1:54PM EST (link)

So we’ll see.

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Spitting on ?

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 2:12PM EST (link)

Neil

Well the base can’t elect anyone to state wide office alone, and the general population disagrees with the base on abortion, at least in CA. So is the answer to bow to the base by nominating someone that appeals to the base but can’t get elected? Maybe you call that spitting on, but it ignores the practical realities of winning state wide elections. If your argument is about making a statement, but not state wide winning elections then you have a point.

Maybe the argument ought to be about maybe not perfect on social issues like abortion, but at least a candidate who if elected who is willing to work towards reducing abortion or any other willing to work in a positive direction on any social issue. I don’t see Moonbeam willing to work in a direction on any issue I care about, ever.

We do have a primary in CA, so I suppose the best candidate will win, that too can hardly be called “spitting on”. I’ll be voting for whoever wins the R primary come the general election.

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Really, On This, I'll Go With Brown & Whitman, And Take My Chances

IJB Saturday, September 19th at 2:11PM EST (link)

Bottom line: As of now, the only thing that probably matters in CA anyway is the State Legislature.

Basically, it’s CA’s last chance – after everything they’ve done recently, if the voters of CA have any functioning brain cells left, they’ll act rationally and get rid of a lot of Dems in the Legislature, and replace them with Republicans.

But, if they go the other way – the state is finished no matter what: just a few more Dems, and they’ll have >2/3 in both Houses, so it really won’t matter who’s Governor.

 

CA: how about a Draft Prejean for Governor movement?!?!

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 2:46PM EST (link)

or is there an age restriction?

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Never heard of him

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 5:08PM EST (link)

What’s he run for before?

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Hint

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 5:15PM EST (link)

Neil,

Here’s you a hint, like you really need it.

The swim suit part of the completion for Governor will be rather shall we say interesting.

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No I needed a hint

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 5:26PM EST (link)

The stink over her question and answer was something I heard about one time, and promptly forgot about. I don’t know if I ever even got her name at the time.

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and I wasn't really kidding...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 11:28PM EST (link)

… with the lackluster otherwise choices…. may as well have her take a shot if she’d be so willing… At least she stands on conviction and might be the “way under-estimated” long-shot we could use. If many Californians are still on Style Over Substance they were with Shrivernegger (though, I had real hopes at the start) she might stand a chance if people are looking for honest and fresh start.

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She ran for the Secretary of

UpLateAgain (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 5:20PM EST (link)

“See how many gay judges you can P.O.” at the Miss USA contest.

You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.

Ah

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 5:25PM EST (link)

Yeah, not a fan of that kind of candidate, though I’m sure she’d be eligible if she still lives here.

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I gotta tell all of you...

J. Leg (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 3:18PM EST (link)

I’m really sick of Republicans – Conservatives, Libertarians, or Moderates – attacking other Republicans – Conservatives, Libertarians or Moderates. This is not how we will win elections.

And as for the search for ideological purity. It’s not happening this year, guys. We can support ALL of the candidates and vote for who we think the best nominee is, but whether it’s Whitman, Campbell, or Poizner I think we can all agree they’d be a hell of a lot better than Governor Moonbeam or “Piss on the Constitution” Newsom.

What happened to the 11th Commandment? Why was McCain so distasteful to many people? We need to help each other out.

this is a primary

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 3:35PM EST (link)

The 11th. Was inreply to sore loser squishes who bashed Reagan *in the general*.

Primaries are the safe and sane way to hash this stuff out.

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agreed, as long as...

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 11:42PM EST (link)

… it doesn’t get to the point of destroying all the candidates to the point NONE of them can win a General – which I’m still not sure whether FL Senate will land up that way — hope not. We cannot afford to have any folks sitting things out over their tender (we otherwise didn’t know they had any) feelings being bruised. We’ve gotta get people better helping their first choice and still willing to want to help whomever is the General candidate. But I really don’t want to get all that (below) started again.
+overcoming ObamaZombies/(h/t scarlos: Barracklash) – awaking ObamaZombies and scarlos: Barracklash
+Conservatives – Are we preparing Conservatives via 2010 Campaigns for ’12,’14,’16 Races? – shouldn’t we be?!?!
+ConservCand’s – Conservative Candidates (the Diary)
+MSM challenge – The “Pretend you’re a Liberal MSM reporter (and Spin the story)” Challenge [now with Aug.2009 Tom Ridge book Distortion update]
+Daniel Hannan (British MEP) – mbecker’s: What the Leader of the Republican Party should sound like! Productive vs non-Productive sectors of the Economy same here as in UK.
+Daily Dimes Dichotomy – creating an NRSC: Daily Dimes Dichotomy
+RNC called – RNC called, I hung up!
+Party of NO – Republicans must be the Party of NO [to Bigger Govt.] not the Party of SLOW[er Liberal Incremental-ism]
+sitting out elections banter – in depth Sit-It-Out discussion and the out-right vote for the other side (only one example of those comments)
+how AltParty is RINOism – can one catch RINOvirus? or in Moe’s can one catch RINOvirus
+working together – standing up about working together
+Media feeding R infighting – MSM uses snippets out of context to feed Republican in-fighting narrative additional commentary on that here (speaking out against SoSo discussion) and here
+Parading in Ill-Fitting shoes – knee-jerk reactions to “generic/general” statements – doth protest too much?
+MSM challenge – The “Pretend you’re a Liberal MSM reporter (and Spin the story)” Challenge [now with Aug.2009 Tom Ridge book Distortion Update]
+Deli-story – Deli-story
+ZERO-strategy – ZERO-strategy
+Campaign handicapping factors – Analyzing Campaign chances by more than “gut feel”
+Red-Dogs – Red-Dogs, RINOs, CINOs, DINOs, PLINOs, and Blue-Dogs, oh my… The Political Zoo – what/who are they?
+Any “D” (CINO/PLINO) – How electing ANY Democrat empowers the antithesis of Conservativism, the Ultra-Far-Left Progressive/Socialist/Democrats
+Partial-Choicers work with us, a long discussion – How, when, where, PRO-LIFErs can/should work with PARTIAL-CHOICERS

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Ideological Impurity?

igcblogger Saturday, September 19th at 3:52PM EST (link)

I agree with gahazzah, SteveLA, and Josh LeGuern in their above comments. No disrespect meant to Neil, but why in the world would abortion be an issue in this campaign, when your state and the country generally is in the midst of a economic meltdown brought about by runaway govt spending and insane regulations among other things? Wouldn’t that be a good argument for unifying behind the person who emerges from the GOP primary, even if flawed in some ways? And many Americans are personally conflicted about abortion even if they aren’t pro life, but that aside, implementing improvements in the economic and regulatory climate should be at the top of the priority list, no? Many were understandably dissatisfied with McCain, and stayed home on election day. I disagreed with McCain on a number of issues–but who would you rather have picking federal judges right now, McCain, or the current occupant of the oval office? Just my 3.7 cents.

Redistricting

proudgop (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 4:31PM EST (link)

I gotta tell you all I worry about the CA GOP if the Dems control legislature and Gov mansion. They will make sure at least 4 or 5 Congressional Republicans are taken down and the legislature will become even more Dem

That's not a concern for those who keep up with the state (nt)

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I'll elaborate on this

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 5:31PM EST (link)

California Democrats historically focus on incumbent protection. The kind of partisan gerrymander you talk about necessarily requires taking Democrat votes away from safe Democrat seats and giving them to Republican seats. That turns one safe seat into two potentially at-risk seats.

The Democrats have preferred the lockdown gerrymander which gave them a slightly smaller but certain advantage.

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Congress Seats

proudgop (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 6:25PM EST (link)

Every seat that Dems hold are pretty solid for them ( minus McNerney and Cardoza) I don’t think what applied during last round of redistricting will apply this round

They are going to try to make people like Bono, Lungren, Bilbray, and Calvert be pushed out

That's the point

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 6:27PM EST (link)

The Democrat seats are solid because of the lockdown gerrymander.

You don’t get it.

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Yes

proudgop (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 6:29PM EST (link)

Yes but if they take 2% or 3% Dems out of a lot of those districts and add them to Republican districts its not really going to affect those Dems in their districts really

 
 
 
 

Also

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 5:34PM EST (link)

Congressional districts may be added to the Prop. 11 system next year.

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Can They Add Them To Prop. 11 Though?

IJB Saturday, September 19th at 6:19PM EST (link)

I thought that they couldn’t add them, because they’re federal offices, which is why they weren’t in Prop. 11 in the first place.

Probably end up going to Supremos

SteveLA (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 6:23PM EST (link)

I know of no state that has term limits on Federal offices, so probably end up at the US Supreme Court for a Constitutional powers ruling.

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The Districting Prop. 11

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 6:26PM EST (link)

Not term limits.

See Ballotpedia

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I agree

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 5:30PM EST (link)

Abortion is an important issue, but a) it’s not a bread-and-butter issue (i.e., very few bills dealing with abortion will pop up in a legislative year, and those that do are either symbolic or limited in scope), and there’s not much that the governor can do for pro-lifers without Roe vs. Wade being overturned. If Neil could expound on his response to gahazzah, I’d be amenable to changing my mind, but if this is just about symbolic victories/use of the bully pulpit, then it’s a complete non-issue, IMO.

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I'll give you a few reasons

Neil Stevens (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 5:33PM EST (link)

1. Control of the party central committee
2. Attempting to persuade voters
3. Character
4. Historic relationship between values votes and fiscal votes. Squishes on one are more likely to squish out on the other; look at any broad based record of Congressional votes.

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Mmm, alright

aesthete (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 6:24PM EST (link)

I can’t speak to the validity of your first reason (I’m not all that familiar with how abortion squares into the conservative/moderate feud, so I’ll defer to your experience on that one), and 3 and 4 make a good amount of sense (not enough for me to base my vote in a primary for a state race on abortion, but they do make sense). However, 2 seems like something that should be a part of an ongoing voter outreach/education effort on the part of the state party. From where I’m sitting, it seems that most of the time (at least in AZ), abortion is an issue that gets trotted out in the primary by either a weak or fiscally disappointing incumbent or a challenger in the hopes of raising a red herring, afterwhich the Dems use what was brought up in the primary to make Reps seem like they want to throw women back in the kitchen. It seems to me that such attempts at voter “education” fail miserably, as voters typically won’t be convinced one way or another on abortion simply as a result of issues brought up in the primary/general and the campaign ads associated with them.

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And he and I ... were on a cruise ...

kowalski (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 6:57PM EST (link)

And he and I … were on a cruise … in the Arctic … for climate change.

… to enfranchise broader communities …

… he’s very bright, very articulate, very passionate [chuckle] …

So these are the Republican women candidates for governor in California?

Neil, do you have anything in that toolbox of yours that cleans up vomit from the keyboard? I pity you guys there in Caleefornia, I really do.

What does it mean to “Enfranchise Broader Communities While On a Cruise in the Arctic for Climate Change?”

So she combines name dropping...

kowalski (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 7:02PM EST (link)

With being on a cruise in the arctic to Enfranchise Broader Communities.

It’s really time that someone like Bill Safire did a thorough dissection of the use of the word “community” in our culture.

On the one hand its use has become so broad that it almost doesn’t mean anything, but on the other hand people use it so reflexively that it must mean something…

I guess it’s only when you reach the point that you can run for the Governorship of California that you can use words that mean so little with so much concern, so that you can hopefully get elected and spend hundreds of billions of dollars.

I think our politicians are insane.

They're either insane or it's ...

kowalski (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 7:12PM EST (link)

Or it’s just like high school. I think for the most part it’s just like high school, except with the power to tax, the power to spend, the power to launch nuclear weapons, and the power to arrest, detain, and control.

But mostly it’s high school. Someone is popular, you need to be popular with them. That’s Meg Whitman.

She’s an ugly cuss, too. First one to walk the plank.

 
 
 

Neil- Sorry to break in here but

Scope (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 9:09PM EST (link)

The “Cannot Display this page”message is happening with all of the Members Diaries I am trying to access. I can access all of the front page diaries, no problem, and, I can see the Members Diaries no problem, with the message displayed in front of them. No matter if I “refresh” or click to close it, it’s then gone. Is it me?

Must be some devilry in yer compass, matey.

TNJim (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 9:37PM EST (link)

I’m navigating tried and true into all ports-o-call on these fair red seas. Perchance ye got hold of Cap’n Jack Sparrow’s compass?

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 

I've been having that/this for a month

JLenardDetroit (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 11:58PM EST (link)

figured I wasn’t the only one…

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Run a test for me, will you?

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 3:39AM EST (link)

Try some ad blocking, with javascript off, and see if it still happens.

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mbecker- I've has enough frustration in trying to get back into your diary

Scope (Diary) Saturday, September 19th at 9:21PM EST (link)

I’ll try again tomorrow. Arggggg!

 

MEG WHITMAN 'ENTIRELY REJECTS' VAN JONES' VIEWS. GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT.

gwynsmom Sunday, September 20th at 2:35AM EST (link)

“My husband and I met him and many others on a cruise sponsored by National Geographic and The Aspen Institute. He talked about supporting job growth in California, but of course I did not do a background check of his past over dinner. As these reports have surfaced, it’s clear that he holds views that I entirely reject; any suggestion otherwise is ridiculous.” –Meg Whitman

Extremely irresponsible of you to misrepresent Meg Whitman this way. I am very disappointed in you, RedState.

http://bit.ly/3Pz4wC

The fact of the matter is that Meg Whitman is the ONLY hope for pulling our state out of oblivion. I know you probably hate California, but if you don’t actually live and pay taxes, here, BUTT OUT AND STFU ESPECIALLY IF YOU CAN’T EVEN GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT. ALSO don’t forget WE GAVE YOU RONALD REAGAN. It is in YOUR interest to see this state restored, instead of sitting on your hineys spreading lies which jeopardize our future.

The responsible thing for you to do here is to pull the video and post a correction.

Ugh

Third Street (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 3:10AM EST (link)

gwynsmom, the arrogant attitude of “Indispensible California” is pervasive amongst its residents, and one of the reasons I got sick of the place and left.

The California that exists today did NOT give us Ronald Reagan, no way, no how. The California of the ’60s and ’70s, the California that actually functioned, gave us Reagan. Sadly, Reagan could never be elected in today’s California. (By the same token, Vermont gave us another of my favorite presidents, Calvin Coolidge; but that could not possibly have less to do with the socialist Vermont of 2009.)

I am grateful that California gave us Reagan, over 40 years ago. But the CA of the 21st Century is an ongoing catastrophe and a model for the rest of America of how NOT to run a state. Is it in the interest of Americans at large to see California restored? Of course it is. But CA isn’t a mess WE made, and it most definitely is not our responsibility.

As for Meg Whitman, certainly she’s going to cover her ass over Van Jones NOW. I certainly don’t trust her, though.

“Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen nineteen six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds ought and six, result misery.” –Wilkins Micawber, “David Copperfield”

 

Not a good move, gwynsmom.

TNJim (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 3:37AM EST (link)

Whitman “may” have rejected Jones after Glenn Beck did his expose’ on the czars in general and Jones in particular but the video did reflect her views of him at the time. She still supports many of his green jobs ideas and has incorporated some of them into her own ideas, perhaps without his more radical and racist views.

BTW, Neil IS a CA resident and so has skin in the game. It’s not his fault Whitman has seemingly changed her view of Jones from what she said in the video. He’s also a site moderator, but moderator or not telling him to STFU was not a respectful call.

Third Street above is right. This is NOT the CA that gave us Reagan. That CA is long gone, not that it won’t come back some day, but gone for now it is. I’m sure Neil would like to see it come back.

Activism: What to do after the TEA party rally. Unified Patriots

 

I live in California, silly

Neil Stevens (Diary) Sunday, September 20th at 3:38AM EST (link)

I’ve lived here all my life. So score one for me.

Her explanation is garbage. If you’d seen whole video she says of Van Jones “I got to know him very well.” So this sudden 180′ to claim that she merely ‘met’ him and didn’t talk with him much, is laughable and not credible.

Meg Whitman is the only hope for Meg Whitman to boost her ego and jump into high political office with no experience, no credentials, and no ties to the Republican party. Let her run as a Democrat if she wants to march to the beat of NARAL and Planned Parenthood.

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please stop using all the plus symbols

larryp Sunday, September 20th at 3:14PM EST (link)

it does not fit in any style or writing book and does not mean anything.
Use dots,bullets or numbers or dashes.

Who is this directed at? (nt)

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Yeah, c'mon...leave some g0))@m + for the rest of us! -nt-

blooch Monday, September 21st at 11:39AM EST (link)

+++

“Lieutenant Dike wasn’t a bad leader because he made bad decisions. He was a bad leader because he made no decisions.”