What I find odd is the gentlemen made a factual observation followed by lucid comments and cogent argument. He essentially agreed with the premise of your article- as did I.

The fact of the matter is Devore made the comment- he never denied it and his representative parsed an excuse to you. I still don’t see a retraction in the SJMN today, so I suppose it stands as written.

The gentlemen called that behavior slimy and explained the remark adequately. He then gets tag teamed by Aaron and you about “reading the article”. I think David proved he did.

As an aside, I never believed your premise was based on Devore floating the article. You said Devore was using HP against Carly- and he is. If he wasn’t, then no comment or something similar would have been the appropriate response. He fell right into the divide and conquer strategy our opposition successfully uses to turn up the flame on Republican candidates. That goes something like this- a newspaper uses an allegedly anonymous source to pen an article based on a recycled Democrat talking point from a prior election. The newspaper gets a Republican candidate to comment, giving it bipartisan legs and adding nonsensical bickering to a primary, which hurts both candidates. Meanwhile the focus is off Boxer, who if subjected to a double barrel attack by both of our primary contenders would be a carcass come the election.

So you can see I disagree a primary should always be contentious and is not for those with weak constitutions. It can be fought based on the issues an who is the better choice to take the reigns from a person that has used their office to destroy our country and the state of California. Devore has just shown me he is not cognizant of this mindset. In my opinion, if Devore does not become more astute he will lose either the primary or general.

My perception is that RS is a forum where we can work out differences of opinion amongst ourselves- a place where we can share in the collective knowledge of the community in order to formulate more cogent, factually based arguments which support our collective principles. In that regard, I see the exchange of ideas underwritten by mutual respect and a willingness to teach- and learn, as guiding rules. That discipline sometimes requires patience and a healthy dose of understanding. However, those behaviors are not easy to employ and take precious time to appropriately apply. Nonetheless that is the preferred way in which they should be undertaken. My opinion, of course.

Frankly, with respect to the aforementioned their seems to be numerous responses that could be consolidated to provide a better sense of explanation. It would also be somewhat less combative with people who essentially share the same set of principles.

Either of you are free to contact me should you wish to discuss further. I believe we are boring the other readers.

HEY HEY BABS HAS GOT TO GO
HEY HEY HO HO BABS HAS GOT TO GO

I’m not sure if it’s because there’s nothing to fire back at, hopefully this is the case, or more likely that Firoriia does not want to alienate DeVore’s base. Or maybe Fiorina has decided that playing the game of scorched earth is not a wise thing to do if your goal is to beat Babs in the general election.

Try reading next time.

He agrees with me. Isually we at RS *do* favor the conservative in a race.

What’s so flipping odd about that? Why are you trying to cast doubt on Aaron? Do you have some personal grudge against him? Or me?

Oddly, this resembles the work of a gadfly, curmudgeon or argumentative interloper. Either way, it doesn’t really provide any enlightenment or expound in any meaningful way.

My guess is that particular behavior is not what the site directors have in mind- but I must admit to not being a mind-reader either.

Now since you are standing up for DavidSage does that mean you are his lawyer, or does it just mean you also found this topic interesting.

As far as being contentious…well I suppose that comes with the landscape of political debate. Again YMMV.

Frankly, I think Neil is a very capable individual. He posted the story, based on what I know Neil can defend it.

Actually, what the SJM News said was;
“Fiorina’s likely primary opponent, Assemblyman Chuck DeVore, R-Irvine, who happened to work on trade enforcement matters for the U.S. Defense Department in the 1980s, is already raising the issue in campaign missives.

“There is a record of the firm using “… gymnastics to circumvent U.S. export controls against the Islamic Republic of Iran,” DeVore said in an interview. “I find that troubling and a point of weakness” for Fiorina.”

No I don’t see the retraction, but what I do see is a “Devore source saying “he was asked to quote for the story- which he did see the aforementioned.

Now we can parse words all day long, but Devore does not deny the quote. As David Sage said that is “slimy”. He could have said -no comment or I don’t know much about that whic would have been true. He didn’t.

I think in this instance the issue of HP selling to Iran will be a big deal, and it seems Mr. DeVore and the
CA Democrats Darth Vader John Burton agree on this as becoming an issue.

The last few paragraphs sum up the coming mud storm.

“There is a record of the firm using “… gymnastics to circumvent U.S. export controls against the Islamic Republic of Iran,” DeVore said in an interview. “I find that troubling and a point of weakness” for Fiorina.

“She’s running a company and doesn’t know what’s happening there?” Burton said. “It’s always somebody else’s fault.”"

The way this primary is shaping up, with all of Fiorina negative baggage being played up early by both her opponent on the R side and CA Democrats I wonder why she would want to run. Tech types that I know are not exactly big fans of hers, I’m not, so it’s hard to see who her base is, DeVore does have a base who supports him as can be seen by the posting in this thread.

I think accusing your opponent of a treasonous alliance with Iran is violating Reagan’s 11th commandment, calling someone on their unfair and untrue charge is not.

At the end of the day, we can go in circles all day, but Neil is out of line to be upset that someone is making a conclusion from information HE gave them. Neil, along with the cited article, stated that Devore was bringing this issue up in the primary campaign. He even stated it in the title “California Senate Primary Mudslinging Begins”