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	<title>Comments on: Google undermines the Internet [Updated]</title>
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		<title>By: StandardCandle</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2887</link>
		<dc:creator>StandardCandle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike a 100% Government takeover of the Healthcare industry... a 100% takeover of the infrastructure of the internet is highly unlikely...

as originally stated I see it more like &quot;filtering&quot; than rationing...

As for Google wanting to stop bandwidth intensive services... I think their focus is on increasing the bandwidth capacity of the average American... among all things that Google has their hands in, their number one contribution to their bank account is advertisements...

yes they make money on building marketing data and services to sell to other companies... but this too would require more not less traffic...

We&#039;re just around the corner from 100GBoE becoming standard networking... the wiring and cabling from the backbone to the trunks to the providers...

There are WAAAAYYYY too many players in the free market that depend on internet services... 

for Google to have any sort of ability to lobby that kind of action... no matter how many dollars they spend....

the Banks alone are going to shell out any dollars to some internet authority just so they can update their databases worldwide in their thousands of networks and forests...

but nevertheless... Google has just shown their true colors... which is what this post was about...  I think you&#039;re right... they&#039;re hypocrites...  They also want some love from an administration that thinks they have runaway power...

My only suggestion is that we have much bigger battles to fight before the internet becomes rationed... or even filtered... those steps come later... much later in the roadmap to socialism to communism...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike a 100% Government takeover of the Healthcare industry&#8230; a 100% takeover of the infrastructure of the internet is highly unlikely&#8230;</p>
<p>as originally stated I see it more like &#8220;filtering&#8221; than rationing&#8230;</p>
<p>As for Google wanting to stop bandwidth intensive services&#8230; I think their focus is on increasing the bandwidth capacity of the average American&#8230; among all things that Google has their hands in, their number one contribution to their bank account is advertisements&#8230;</p>
<p>yes they make money on building marketing data and services to sell to other companies&#8230; but this too would require more not less traffic&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re just around the corner from 100GBoE becoming standard networking&#8230; the wiring and cabling from the backbone to the trunks to the providers&#8230;</p>
<p>There are WAAAAYYYY too many players in the free market that depend on internet services&#8230; </p>
<p>for Google to have any sort of ability to lobby that kind of action&#8230; no matter how many dollars they spend&#8230;.</p>
<p>the Banks alone are going to shell out any dollars to some internet authority just so they can update their databases worldwide in their thousands of networks and forests&#8230;</p>
<p>but nevertheless&#8230; Google has just shown their true colors&#8230; which is what this post was about&#8230;  I think you&#8217;re right&#8230; they&#8217;re hypocrites&#8230;  They also want some love from an administration that thinks they have runaway power&#8230;</p>
<p>My only suggestion is that we have much bigger battles to fight before the internet becomes rationed&#8230; or even filtered&#8230; those steps come later&#8230; much later in the roadmap to socialism to communism&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2886</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 00:15:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah that&#039;s basically what I&#039;m saying.

The left has been pushing the theory that if you aren&#039;t perfect according to the worldview you have, you are a hypocrite, which makes &lt;em&gt;all&lt;/em&gt; Christians hypocrites, and in fact makes a hypocrite almost anyone who has any standards of behavior for humanity at all.  Which is of course ridiculous and makes the world meaningless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah that&#8217;s basically what I&#8217;m saying.</p>
<p>The left has been pushing the theory that if you aren&#8217;t perfect according to the worldview you have, you are a hypocrite, which makes <em>all</em> Christians hypocrites, and in fact makes a hypocrite almost anyone who has any standards of behavior for humanity at all.  Which is of course ridiculous and makes the world meaningless.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2885</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They called for a 100% state takeover of the Internet in this country.  Total state ownership. I don&#039;t see how you can get more than that.

And Google is allying with these people, becasue obviously for Google it&#039;s a benefit if people don&#039;t have to pay to use bandwidth-intensive services like YouTube.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They called for a 100% state takeover of the Internet in this country.  Total state ownership. I don&#8217;t see how you can get more than that.</p>
<p>And Google is allying with these people, becasue obviously for Google it&#8217;s a benefit if people don&#8217;t have to pay to use bandwidth-intensive services like YouTube.</p>
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		<title>By: StandardCandle</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2884</link>
		<dc:creator>StandardCandle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t make the same leap as you... I agree its the same roadmap... but I suppose I don&#039;t see the same vision happening without a statist controlled country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t make the same leap as you&#8230; I agree its the same roadmap&#8230; but I suppose I don&#8217;t see the same vision happening without a statist controlled country.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2883</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did you *read* the article I linked to, that outlines the socialist position on the matter?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you *read* the article I linked to, that outlines the socialist position on the matter?</p>
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		<title>By: mallcopsaysno</title>
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		<dc:creator>mallcopsaysno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:07:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Becoming a partner in state-sponsored censorship is probably against the ideals of Net Neutrality too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Becoming a partner in state-sponsored censorship is probably against the ideals of Net Neutrality too.</p>
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		<title>By: StandardCandle</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2881</link>
		<dc:creator>StandardCandle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but the analogy doesn&#039;t fit Neil...

If we run out of electricity to the point that the internet has to be rationed then we have much worse problems than worrying about access to the internet...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but the analogy doesn&#8217;t fit Neil&#8230;</p>
<p>If we run out of electricity to the point that the internet has to be rationed then we have much worse problems than worrying about access to the internet&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: StandardCandle</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2880</link>
		<dc:creator>StandardCandle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re talking about reversing technology...

I don&#039;t see it... you&#039;ve got major players like Microsoft, Yahoo, hardware manufacturers and the businesses they support at an enterprise level...  Dell, HP, IBM,... how about everyday portals and social networks... Ebay, Craigslist, MySpace, Facebook, Twitter?

For something like that to happen you would have to see Technology become obsolete in the life of the average American...

We&#039;re talking something like a Solar flare from the Sun causing an EMP over North America that knocks out all modern forms of communication, and convenience... when Americans are desperate and seeking an end to street violence such as what happened during Katrina... only in mass scale that we give over our sovereignty to The UN temporarily with the President announcing some crisis of magnaminous proportion...

So Unless the jackboots are willing to point an EMP device at the infrastructure of America... then no I have a hard time buying your theory that the backbone of the internet becomes so old and decayed that the system gets overloaded...

If we get to that point... we&#039;ve already become an outright Communist nation...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re talking about reversing technology&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see it&#8230; you&#8217;ve got major players like Microsoft, Yahoo, hardware manufacturers and the businesses they support at an enterprise level&#8230;  Dell, HP, IBM,&#8230; how about everyday portals and social networks&#8230; Ebay, Craigslist, MySpace, Facebook, Twitter?</p>
<p>For something like that to happen you would have to see Technology become obsolete in the life of the average American&#8230;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking something like a Solar flare from the Sun causing an EMP over North America that knocks out all modern forms of communication, and convenience&#8230; when Americans are desperate and seeking an end to street violence such as what happened during Katrina&#8230; only in mass scale that we give over our sovereignty to The UN temporarily with the President announcing some crisis of magnaminous proportion&#8230;</p>
<p>So Unless the jackboots are willing to point an EMP device at the infrastructure of America&#8230; then no I have a hard time buying your theory that the backbone of the internet becomes so old and decayed that the system gets overloaded&#8230;</p>
<p>If we get to that point&#8230; we&#8217;ve already become an outright Communist nation&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: penguin2</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2879</link>
		<dc:creator>penguin2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Though discussion ended a while back...What I think you are saying is that if there is guilt involved for the &quot;outspoken Christian&quot; and he commits adultery, it is not hypocrisy.  OTOH, if someone does or says one thing publicly and believes or practices something else, deliberately without guilt, then they are a hypocrite.

I think I got that whole concept down much easier than the Google stuff.  Though, that&#039;s all about trying to achieve dominance and monopolies with the Socialist government assistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though discussion ended a while back&#8230;What I think you are saying is that if there is guilt involved for the &#8220;outspoken Christian&#8221; and he commits adultery, it is not hypocrisy.  OTOH, if someone does or says one thing publicly and believes or practices something else, deliberately without guilt, then they are a hypocrite.</p>
<p>I think I got that whole concept down much easier than the Google stuff.  Though, that&#8217;s all about trying to achieve dominance and monopolies with the Socialist government assistance.</p>
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		<title>By: redneck_hippie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2878</link>
		<dc:creator>redneck_hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government steps in and makes the whole system unworkable. As an added bonus, the rationing (limited access, if you will) combines with loss of profit motive to tank content quality.</description>
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		<title>By: Achance</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2877</link>
		<dc:creator>Achance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and skyrocketing insurance rates combined with ugly bumpers and static styling because all the investment in saftey and emissions compliance might have had something to do with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and skyrocketing insurance rates combined with ugly bumpers and static styling because all the investment in saftey and emissions compliance might have had something to do with it.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2876</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The state didn&#039;t ban sportscars in the 70s, but the weakness of our government made them impractical for most people once gas prices went way up.

Rationing of the Internet would do the same for most people&#039;s ability to communicate over it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The state didn&#8217;t ban sportscars in the 70s, but the weakness of our government made them impractical for most people once gas prices went way up.</p>
<p>Rationing of the Internet would do the same for most people&#8217;s ability to communicate over it.</p>
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		<title>By: redneck_hippie</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2875</link>
		<dc:creator>redneck_hippie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the profit or loss and the acess?

Never mind, I know. Barney and Chris.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the profit or loss and the acess?</p>
<p>Never mind, I know. Barney and Chris.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2874</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once the men in jackboots steal the Internet infrastruture For The Good of the People, nobody&#039;s going to build any more infrastructure, let alone maintain what&#039;s already there.

Result: As more people get online (because it&#039;s &quot;free&quot; now, right?), the old, decaying system start to get overloaded.

Result: What you see on any freeway in southern California, only worse while freeways can&#039;t drop cars, the Internet servers will start losing packets.

Result: rationing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the men in jackboots steal the Internet infrastruture For The Good of the People, nobody&#8217;s going to build any more infrastructure, let alone maintain what&#8217;s already there.</p>
<p>Result: As more people get online (because it&#8217;s &#8220;free&#8221; now, right?), the old, decaying system start to get overloaded.</p>
<p>Result: What you see on any freeway in southern California, only worse while freeways can&#8217;t drop cars, the Internet servers will start losing packets.</p>
<p>Result: rationing.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2873</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re paying for a data plan.  They want to be non-neutral in what can go over that data plan.

That&#039;s the precise issue Net Neutrality movements were started over, and Google is complicit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re paying for a data plan.  They want to be non-neutral in what can go over that data plan.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the precise issue Net Neutrality movements were started over, and Google is complicit.</p>
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		<title>By: muffin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2872</link>
		<dc:creator>muffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Brian Hibbert</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2871</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Hibbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mention the button.  It was pretty easy to figure out where your replies were intended to go, but on bigger threads it gets hard to follow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mention the button.  It was pretty easy to figure out where your replies were intended to go, but on bigger threads it gets hard to follow.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2870</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 22:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: muffin</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/08/23/google-undermines-the-internet/comment-page-1/#comment-2869</link>
		<dc:creator>muffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read Neil&#039;s response to SteveLA titled&quot;Briefly&quot; and that&#039;s when I posted my thank you to Neil.  After I posted, I found his response to me.  Sorry for the confusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read Neil&#8217;s response to SteveLA titled&#8221;Briefly&#8221; and that&#8217;s when I posted my thank you to Neil.  After I posted, I found his response to me.  Sorry for the confusion.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
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