Obama could remove this controversy once and for all if he would give his permission to Hawaiian state officials to release his birth certificate to the public. Why he doesn’t always made me curious.

I think that most people understand that if BHO was not a citizen, then this would be a unique Constitutional crisis. But if he was driven from office on a technicality, that would just add fuel to the fire for those who insisted we, “Count every vote” in 2000 and that they were “disenfranchised” in 2004. Unlike Bill Clinton, BHO cannot tack to the middle. He is too angry, too arrogant, and way too radical. We are starting to beat him on the issues, the MSM is even showing signs of doubt. America must be made to understand that Socialism doesn’t work.

and that is that the issue of citizenship. If question is that if there ever was a so called long form birth certificate, or a passport at anytime which showed dual citizenship. I’m not a birther by any means, HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII. My guess is that if there is anything to this it comes in the form of some sort of dual citizenship that he or his family claimed for him.

There are stories in the blogosphere, that I’ve never seen confirmed or refuted that he has traveled to parts of the world that were restricted to American citizens. The explaination is the only way he could have gotten there is with a passport from some other country, maybe Kenyan from his father’s ancestry.

I’m not sure that is disqualifying for “natural born” status, only thought to be embarrassing to the voting public. All of this aside I agree the real focus for the GOP should only be the destructive nature of his policies and let National Enquirer work on the birther issue.

So What! The meaning of the term “natural born citizen” in the Constitution is spelled out, as all such terms must be, in the naturalization statutes. The term has been defined and re-defined, over the years, to cover new situations.

First, for the children of diplomats and other government employees serving overseas. Then for the children of citizens living or traveling overseas. I sincerely doubt that any of the sitting Justices on the Supreme Court would find that BHO is not a “natural born citizen” even if he was born in Kenya.

His citizenship, if he was born in Kenya, derives from the fact that his mother was an American citizen at the time of his birth. That point is beyond dispute.

Some “birthers” have claimed that, under one statute, his mother did not meet a residency requirement. It is old and settled law that an impossibility is void.

Their point is that the statute requires that, after her sixteenth birthday, the mother must reside in the United States for, IIRC, six years. As BHO was born when his mother, IIRC, was under 20, it is obvious that she could not have lived six years in the United States after her sixteenth birthday and BHO’s birth.

As this creates an impossibility, the Court will rule that she meets as much of the residency requirement as was physically possible and the remaining period is void because of impossibility of performance.

IMHO, HBO does not want to produce his original birth certificate for the same reason he is not willling to release other documents – to avoid embarrassment between the Obama meme and reality.

After all, look what happened to Al Gore and John Kerry when they released their records. Although the media did not report on it, the Internet bloggers had a field day. The Liberal meme was that GWB was not very intelligent and a poor scholar while Gore and Kerry were men of great intelligence and scholarship.

However, their records, when compared to those of GWB, revealed something different. Their military AFQT scores ( an IQ substitute) linked GWB first, Kerry second and Gore last. Both GWB and Kerry’s Yale years overlapped. GWB, a self-admitted “party-animal” turned out to have better grades than Kerry.

I suppose that Obama knows that, if his own records are released, the difference between what he and his supporters have been claiming about his scholastic background and the actual records would be embarrassing.

Sure, they’re fringe. We don’t have to actively try to “push out” the birthers to the fringe though., as they’re useful idiots. You see, these rabid dogs are our pound for pound answer to ACORN in the streets. Mainstream R’s should just make a snarky joke out of the whole thing. Like Sen. Barack Obama (D) Kenya.

You guys complain about not having more Lee Atwater types around, but when it comes down to it, you’re unwilling to play dirty pool. I’d rather win than be pure as driven snow.

I’ve never thought Obama wasn’t born in the U.S. I never considered it as a way of removing him from office, either. I just thought it was strange he went to such lengths to fight all of this.

However, I read the NRO piece earlier this morning, and it’s convinced me to let it go, and it did so by reminding me of a good point: I myself have a copy of my own birth certificate. It looks nothing like I imagine the real thing does, bears a very worn seal, etc. It is a straight-up photocopy of my birth certificate – and I can assure you I was born in the State of Connecticut.

Who knows why he’s chosen to spend so much money fighting FOIA requests? Maybe his version of a knee-jerk reaction is to dispatch lawyers at the drop of a hat. I don’t know, and more importantly, I no longer care. Yes, he’s shady as hell, and his every action only adds to my suspicions of him, but you can consider me a former birther-in-training.

I’m out.

Leon Wolf didn’t “take down” the birthers and “our movement” is not losing “thanks to these people.” Further, National Review Online hasn’t proven anything either. Until Obama puts his supposed transparency on the line and proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he meets all constitutional requirements to hold the U.S. presidency, that shadow will remain. It’s not a conspiracy theory! Obama is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on attorney fees to swat this fly, so to speak. He has not released any personal records, birth certificate or otherwise, ever, period.

The reason a “natural born” citizen is a constitutional requirement is under the premise that they would be less likely to have divided allegiance and alliances. Obama clearly displays these divisions on all fronts.

“Mainstream Republican and conservative activists must push out the birthers to the fringe, where they belong, lest our whole movement become as deranged as the Netroots became over 9/11 conspiracies.”

No we don’t and no we won’t. The reaction by many Red State contributors to the obama birth cirtificate issue reminds me of the Bush Derangement Sydrome. You are worried about what a bunch of leftists think of us. Here’s a hint. They hate you and think you are an idiot and a bible thumper anyway. So quit ripping into folks on our side because you don’t agree with them on this issue.

Quit worrying about having to push these people “to the fringe” as you say. The libs are happy to push you both.

We ought to start taking the liberal tactic. Throw everything against the wall and see what sticks. Learn from our enemy. Quit attacking friends.

If there are more important issues, then you promote those issues!

Sort of. I never truly believed that there was any merit to the whole thing because I have always believed that since Obama’s mother was a US citizen by birth that he is also a US citizen whether he was born in Hawaii or Kenya. You can quote arcane law all you want to but this makes sense to me.

Furthermore, the issue is a loser. As others have stated, no court is going to remove a sitting president on a technicality like this. The meaning of natural born is murky at best – not something a judge would use for a decision so monumental. Get real.

But I confess, it has been fun to stir the birther pot occasionally and witness Obamamaniac heads explode when discussing the issue. Also, I’ve always had this feeling that there is *something* that the Obama camp is trying to hide so it might be worth keeping the birth certificate discussion open to see what comes of it.

But, the issue has been successfully rendered fringeworthy by Obama supporters and now is recognized as an embarrassing issue by conservative leaders. It is time to put away childish things and get on to serious issues. As much fun as it might be to watch the frenzy that ensues, I will no longer stir the ashes on the Obama birth certificate conspiracy.

Suppose the whole thing could be proven and Obama had to step down… I think I’d rather keep Obama as prez than have Biden despite the comic relief he brings (he still does a fine job at that as VP). And in such a case, would Pelosi be VP? Even scarier. I think I’ve found a way to see the Obama Administration as not so bad.

Mr. Stevens,

I think using the term “Birther” is below you. That stoops to the same level of labeling that the MSM used on those involved in the Tea Party movement.

I think you are sharper and more discriminating than that.

Those interested in this issue just want to know one thing. Does he meet the Constitutional requiements to hold the most powerful position in the world?

The NRO articile uses the same talking points that Gibbs uses and as long as the discussion keeps moving in a circular fashion, this issue will never be resolved.

Ask yourself a couple of questions.

1. Why is there a need to spend so much money preventing the release of the one document that could cause this whole thing to blow away like smoke in the wind?

2. Why are the Hawaiian officials words “parsed” so tightly? All Fukino has been willing to state is that the document has been seen and it contains the evidnence presented on the short form. Why not just confirm that all the information on the long form was viewed and that it meets the elegibility requirements? Why won’t anyone from Hawaii take that step?

3. Why are Obama’s college records locked up? What on earth could be so devastatingly harmful in school records?

Instead of running down those who have valid questions, why won’t you focus on finding out why the answers to those questions are so difficult to obtain?

How about some journalism?

For all of the lamenting being done at RS about this subject, you just can’t leave it alone. You keep saying there are more important issues to be concerned about, which there are, but yet you keep dwelling on this “birthers” subject. All you are doing is drawing more attention to this issue. Just ignore it. Those internet sites that wish to continue this crusade can suffer the consequences. Time spent on this only takes away from a more substantive diary you could write about the health care bill, cap and trade, etc.

As you can see, it is fruitless to argue with some of these people, no matter the facts.

As Constitutional conservatives, the question of dual citizenship should never come up. It does not matter what other countries think or what laws they make. We are not bound by the laws of other countries. What we are bound by is our Constitution and our Laws.

For example, Germany, from Bismark through Hitler, considered German nationals and their desendants living abroad to still be Germans citizens. If Germany had won WWII, Eisenhower, being of German descent, would have been tried for treason.

The fact that other countries, under their laws, consider some American citizens to have dual nationality and offer them passports does not destroy those persons claim to be American citizens.

Since passports first began to be commonly used, they have been issued, in most countries, to persons other than citizens. Some of my relatives, born in this country of naturalized parents from Ireland, have Irish passports. This is completely legal and does not endanger their American citizenship. You can use a passport from another country to travel. It is a convience not a rejection of American citizenship.

If I understand BHO’s situation, as the child of a Kenyan father, he is considered, under Kenyan law, to be a Kenyan national. There is a possibility, that as a Kenyan national, he might be also entitled to a British passport as a Commonwealth member. Since he was adopted while living in Indonesia by an Indonesian national, under Indonesian law, he is considered an Indonesian citizen.

None of the above facts have any effect on his status as an American citizen. That status comes from his mother. She was an American citizen and his citizenship, under our Laws, derives from that fact.

Thre is nothing reported in BHO’s background that could possibily destroy his American citizenship. Not the laws of other countries, the acts of his parents, guardians or other persons can destroy that citizenship. The fact that BHO may have used another countries passport to travel does not endanger his citizenship.

Only BHO, once he reached his majority, could act to renounce his citizenship. That renuncation must be made in accordance with our laws. It must be made before an appropriate government official and in accordance with the legal requirements reguarding renunciation of citizenship. There has never been any showing that BHO has so acted. Dead issue, “birthers,” get another.

I got really pissed last night when Jon Henke started spouting off on Twitter about the need to “exorcise these Birthers like Buckley did to the Birchers, they are an embarrassment to the party!”

Look I know both “Birthers” and members of the John Birch society. My wife is a bit of a borderline Birther, but if I was a member of the John Birch society, I’d have a hard time keeping my job with a Defense contractor.

There is a legitimate item of curiosity, which is why is Obama fighting so hard against releasing information? Does it mean he isn’t a citizen or eligible to be President? Of course not, but it does make me curious.

But I swear, some of our elites are picking up the pitchforks and lighting the torches to drive the heathens from the party. I haven’t seen this much undeserved righteous indignation since the Stevens conviction.

I really think the comparison the Birchers is uncalled for.

There is a palpable double standard at work here, where Republicans are required to provide links to an extensive paper trail, while dems are simply taken at their word, or the word of a party affiliate or media acolyte.

This applies to school records, theses, income tax info, donor lists, etc. etc., as well as birth records.

obama has shown no reluctance whatsoever to repeatedly stand up in front of the American people and tell bald-faced lies. So, his credibility is naturally wanting with regard to his past.

and his later records from school, private employment and government service may not agree with what he has been claiming about himself. However, being embarrassed has never stopped either a Liberal nor a politician. Take a look at what voters have accepted in the past from Liberals and politicians, especially Democrats. So wht if his mother put “Moslem” down as his religion on the birth certificate or that he claimed Indonesian citizenship to get a scholarship grant. Not sufficient “high crimes or misdeameanors” material for impeachment and Leno, Letterman and the other comics will not touch the material so few people, other than Internet regulrs, will ever hear about it. A sheer waste of time and resources.

[I know that you really, really want to accuse these people of racism, but you can do it somewhere else. - ML]

and help fight on other issues such as cap/trade, socialized medicine etc…???

We took the high road for 8 yrs and paid dearly. Time to get down and dirty.

You have now wasted your time writing two diaries about birthers when you could have written about cap/trade and socialized medicine. You took the bait and are contributing to the distraction.

The director of Hawaii’s health department and the registrar of records each has personally verified that the information on Obama’s birth certificate is identical to that in the state’s records, the so-called vault copy. Given that fact, we are loath even to engage the fanciful notion that President Obama was born elsewhere

I’m inclined to go along with that.

Cleared up everything but one for me.

Where the heck did the story come from that Obama had convinced the Governor of Hawaii to deny access to his BC? What was that all about, and who started it? None other than Jerome Corsi, of Unfit for Command fame, writing on World Net Daily.

Countering, WhatReallyHappened.com published the rebuttal from the Office of the Governor.

It’s too bad that the “serious” media have chosen to treat the questions as not serious. The idea that state law prevents anybody without a tangible interest from seeing or accessing the original ends the matter, and therefore a FOIA request would be denied (and therefore none has been requested) seems odd to me. (I would also guess that WND has had a FOIA request rejected, but WND is not yet serious media, is it?) Considering the grvity of the question, the press would seeem to have as tangible an interest as anybody could. Instead, all stories seem to concentrate on insinuating that “birthers” (a term of endearment if I ever heard one) are either foolish, stupid, Quixotic, or drunk. All may be possible, but it has a feeling of piling on after a while.

So, other than my natural antipathy to the SCUM, I’m cool with President Barack Obama.

Should the Hondurans be cool with President Zelaya? President Obama says, “yes.”

Unfortunately I believe he is a US Citizen, & I hope he only has ONE TERM! However, as a Naturalized Citizen and a Veteran I believe the Natural Born Citizen qualification is paramount, plus do we really want a President Schwarzenegger? Not thanks on that.

That being said I really don’t think that Obama when he took his oath of office he seriously believes in supporting & defending the Constitution, nor do any of his cronies. The guy does not believe he represents a great nation, nor does he believe in liberty you only have to look how he has botched Honduras, and his response to the students in Iran, but wait he beat Al Sharpton to the punch over a statement about Michael Jackson dying.

Obama could silence his critics by releasing all of his sealed records, end of story. He has something really embarrassing that he does not want to ever see the light of day. Where there is smoke there is usually fire, & spending large sums of money to keep them sealed only fuels the rumors and speculation. All he has to do is release all pertinent documentation with say SSN redacted, but other than that he is a public official

My main concern in all of this is those military personnel that are being brought into the controversy by becoming plaintiffs in these lawsuits. They believe in their oath in most cases, I really believe that, although misguided. There is a chain of command

The Left in this country tries to make victims of the military now that we have a volunteer force instead of primarily conscripts as it was prior to 1975. They thought that an all volunteer force would limit the projection of US power abroad, now they try to drive the message that the military is the last hope for the destitute when it is the farthest from the truth. They despise the fact that we have the premier fighting forces in the world. All volunteer, proud of their nation & what they do for their nation.

If the left can discredit these people & by default the most revered government institute our as untrustworthy with all these suits then it will be only lead to the demoralization of the military.

By birther logic, Herbert Hoover should never have been president, then, because his mother was Canadian.

This constant “show the long form…” argument detracts from the real issues to be faced, like socialized medicine, the Sotomayor coronation and trillion dollar deficits. Independent voters see mainstream republicans in this same light, and it weakens the movement as a whole. Why not argue against the moon landing as well?

The fact remains that he is, and will stay, #44. Positive action to bring about change is required; hunting down bogeymen only drives the curious and the wanting straight into the opponent’s hands.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing repeatedly and expecting a different result. Or, for you birthers, the analogy could very well be hitting your head repeatedly against a wall and wondering where all the blood came from. By making the problem about you, you defeat the very party you claim to support.

Can’t you idiots find something else to do? You’re killing the rest of us.

But he sure doesn’t act like a proud American.

It’s the left’s own weapons fired back at them.
http://twitter.com/GeorgeAPeterson/statuses/2903176173
The spaghetti offense. Let people throw the stuff at the wall. They gotta duck, we can disavow.
Let ‘em go after the birth certificates. Throw a recount in there too.

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