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	<title>Comments on: Science Marches On, Right Past Al Gore</title>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever looked up the problem of skin cancer in Australia?

Genuine issue there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever looked up the problem of skin cancer in Australia?</p>
<p>Genuine issue there.</p>
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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2311</link>
		<dc:creator>JLenardDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 20:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the LIES that the Ozone hole was ONLY expanding and that ONLY man-made CFCs was the reason...... The same DISTORTIONS we get today from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redstate.com/jlenarddetroit/2008/12/09/obama-to-push-global-warming-agenda-despite-the-current-science-data/&quot;&gt;Climate $cam&lt;/a&gt; artists today..... There were alot of people willing/wanting to rush the whole CFC thing before we examined all the best opportunities (Politics over Technology progress, like now GE/Democrat alliance) because their POLITICAL allies were best in a position to gain both financially and politically.

It is NOT me trying to equate CFC with the CO2 debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the LIES that the Ozone hole was ONLY expanding and that ONLY man-made CFCs was the reason&#8230;&#8230; The same DISTORTIONS we get today from <a href="http://www.redstate.com/jlenarddetroit/2008/12/09/obama-to-push-global-warming-agenda-despite-the-current-science-data/">Climate $cam</a> artists today&#8230;.. There were alot of people willing/wanting to rush the whole CFC thing before we examined all the best opportunities (Politics over Technology progress, like now GE/Democrat alliance) because their POLITICAL allies were best in a position to gain both financially and politically.</p>
<p>It is NOT me trying to equate CFC with the CO2 debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unlike this globowarmo stuff, there&#039;s an actual, legitimate, testable theory behind the CFC ban.

I wouldn&#039;t bring it up in the context of globowarmism at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike this globowarmo stuff, there&#8217;s an actual, legitimate, testable theory behind the CFC ban.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t bring it up in the context of globowarmism at all.</p>
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		<title>By: 6eorge Jetson</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2309</link>
		<dc:creator>6eorge Jetson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 19:27:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord knows he&#039;d like to use &#039;em.  

&lt;img src=&quot;http://files.blog-city.com/files/A05/107842/p/f/algoreelectricity27414.jpg&quot; width=&quot;400&quot; /&gt;

I just wish the MSM would stop using the misleading adjective &quot;alternate&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lord knows he&#8217;d like to use &#8216;em.  </p>
<p><img src="http://files.blog-city.com/files/A05/107842/p/f/algoreelectricity27414.jpg" width="400" /></p>
<p>I just wish the MSM would stop using the misleading adjective &#8220;alternate&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: LibRick</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2308</link>
		<dc:creator>LibRick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 18:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>was my Saturday laugh! Good one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was my Saturday laugh! Good one!</p>
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		<title>By: $peciallist</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2307</link>
		<dc:creator>$peciallist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;div align=&quot;center&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;http://liberalismisnotmainstream.com/ramoby.jpg&quot;&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2306</link>
		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.</description>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2305</link>
		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>upstairs to &quot;They don&#039;t live under the bridge, they take the bridge and hold it.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>upstairs to &#8220;They don&#8217;t live under the bridge, they take the bridge and hold it.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2304</link>
		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 17:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lefty Troll: 
&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3297/3536585098_3c8c3680f6_m.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot;&gt;

Righty Troll:
&lt;img src=&quot;http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3356/3536583848_6bd8c0cfc8_m.jpg&quot; alt=&quot;&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lefty Troll:<br />
<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3297/3536585098_3c8c3680f6_m.jpg" alt=""/></p>
<p>Righty Troll:<br />
<img src="http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3356/3536583848_6bd8c0cfc8_m.jpg" alt=""/></p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2303</link>
		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:43:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>they usually own the bridge.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>they usually own the bridge.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: janis</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2302</link>
		<dc:creator>janis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:41:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for global warming the other night at the end of some show or other.  He was nattering on about the endangered polar bear population, which, if I recall correctly, is growing instead of shrinking.

You&#039;d think the least these people could do is stay up to date to avoid beclowning themselves even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for global warming the other night at the end of some show or other.  He was nattering on about the endangered polar bear population, which, if I recall correctly, is growing instead of shrinking.</p>
<p>You&#8217;d think the least these people could do is stay up to date to avoid beclowning themselves even more.</p>
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		<title>By: LibRick</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2301</link>
		<dc:creator>LibRick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:40:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...waiting for pigs to fly out of my backside. wait gotta go, BRB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;waiting for pigs to fly out of my backside. wait gotta go, BRB.</p>
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		<title>By: LibRick</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2300</link>
		<dc:creator>LibRick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>be underwater anyway, by my brethren&#039;s estimation. Seriously, this issue is close to my field so it &#039;s not common sense on my part... just scrutiny and questioning the validity of the hypothesis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>be underwater anyway, by my brethren&#8217;s estimation. Seriously, this issue is close to my field so it &#8216;s not common sense on my part&#8230; just scrutiny and questioning the validity of the hypothesis.</p>
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		<title>By: $peciallist</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2299</link>
		<dc:creator>$peciallist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:31:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: LibRick</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2298</link>
		<dc:creator>LibRick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 16:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Then my &quot;Manchurian Candidate&quot; gambit is successful!  First Redstate and then the world ... Bwaa ha ha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then my &#8220;Manchurian Candidate&#8221; gambit is successful!  First Redstate and then the world &#8230; Bwaa ha ha!</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2297</link>
		<dc:creator>mbecker908</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re not really a liberal, you&#039;re just faking it for the attention.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re not really a liberal, you&#8217;re just faking it for the attention.  <img src='http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: itrytobenice</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2296</link>
		<dc:creator>itrytobenice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 15:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re going to vote you off the island if you don&#039;t bury that common sense crap and get in line with the consensus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re going to vote you off the island if you don&#8217;t bury that common sense crap and get in line with the consensus.</p>
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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2009/05/15/science-marches-on-right-past-al-gore/comment-page-1/#comment-2295</link>
		<dc:creator>JLenardDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 04:22:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>see the OZONE scare post further up this thread..... 

Vivace tidal-generators: Vivace hydro-power: These new &lt;a href=&quot;http://gizmodo.com/5099080/umich-vivace-hydropower-system-makes-energy-from-slow-currents&quot;&gt;Tidal waters Electrical Generators&lt;/a&gt; are for lower speed forces (easy close to shore locations). Why is this important? Well, the original (and for some reason unimaginative yet what people have been stuck on) Windmill or Propeller shaped/driven generators need higher forces to work yet if the forces are too great they rip-apart. Prop-gen Tidal often turns nice natural Tidal Current Flows into Tidal CHURNS which lands up killing as many fish as the number of KW they put out (yes, exaggeration but being silly to make the point). The same goes for the Wind-generators, why we NEED to be moving to DRUM-wind-generators over Propeller ones (but the POLITICS have dictated these things, NOT SCIENCE/TECHNOLOGY), thus far.

This new method may be put into practice off the coast of Detroit (Detroit River, potentially into some of the Lakes also) in order to produce power. This new method is “supposed” to be easier to produce, maintain, more reliable, etc…. but we will see. FINALLY, we may see a reasonably priced (and therefore, viable) option for Tidal Power.

Yes, Tidal forces are generally more reliable than WIND force power generation.

see also: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redstate.com/jlenarddetroit/2008/10/29/dems-always-ignore-this-law-and-we-all-pay/&quot;&gt;unintended consequences (Democrats always ignore)&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redstate.com/jlenarddetroit/2008/12/09/obama-to-push-global-warming-agenda-despite-the-current-science-data/&quot;&gt;Climate $cam&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>see the OZONE scare post further up this thread&#8230;.. </p>
<p>Vivace tidal-generators: Vivace hydro-power: These new <a href="http://gizmodo.com/5099080/umich-vivace-hydropower-system-makes-energy-from-slow-currents">Tidal waters Electrical Generators</a> are for lower speed forces (easy close to shore locations). Why is this important? Well, the original (and for some reason unimaginative yet what people have been stuck on) Windmill or Propeller shaped/driven generators need higher forces to work yet if the forces are too great they rip-apart. Prop-gen Tidal often turns nice natural Tidal Current Flows into Tidal CHURNS which lands up killing as many fish as the number of KW they put out (yes, exaggeration but being silly to make the point). The same goes for the Wind-generators, why we NEED to be moving to DRUM-wind-generators over Propeller ones (but the POLITICS have dictated these things, NOT SCIENCE/TECHNOLOGY), thus far.</p>
<p>This new method may be put into practice off the coast of Detroit (Detroit River, potentially into some of the Lakes also) in order to produce power. This new method is “supposed” to be easier to produce, maintain, more reliable, etc…. but we will see. FINALLY, we may see a reasonably priced (and therefore, viable) option for Tidal Power.</p>
<p>Yes, Tidal forces are generally more reliable than WIND force power generation.</p>
<p>see also: <a href="http://www.redstate.com/jlenarddetroit/2008/10/29/dems-always-ignore-this-law-and-we-all-pay/">unintended consequences (Democrats always ignore)</a> and <a href="http://www.redstate.com/jlenarddetroit/2008/12/09/obama-to-push-global-warming-agenda-despite-the-current-science-data/">Climate $cam</a></p>
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		<title>By: JLenardDetroit</title>
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		<dc:creator>JLenardDetroit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 04:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>which rushed the whole CFC ban.... and the Ozone layer and the NATURAL hole over the poles continues to have its NATURAL fluctuations.....

Not saying we shouldn&#039;t have replaced CFCs just that TECHNOLOGY should have driven the change/advancement rather than the Politics (which I&#039;ll touch on again further down the Thread).

I recall very much first hand both this AND the whole THE WORLD IS GONNA FREEZE paranoia &quot;We are heading for another GLOBAL ICE AGE....&quot; blah, blah, blah, blah......  20 years later and now 10 years ago THE WORLD IS GONNA BURN UP..... today..... CLIMATE CHANGE (FLUCTUATION) IS A MAN-MADE THREAT..... yadda, yadda, yadda...... Politicians repeating their CONTROL THE MASSES meme ......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>which rushed the whole CFC ban&#8230;. and the Ozone layer and the NATURAL hole over the poles continues to have its NATURAL fluctuations&#8230;..</p>
<p>Not saying we shouldn&#8217;t have replaced CFCs just that TECHNOLOGY should have driven the change/advancement rather than the Politics (which I&#8217;ll touch on again further down the Thread).</p>
<p>I recall very much first hand both this AND the whole THE WORLD IS GONNA FREEZE paranoia &#8220;We are heading for another GLOBAL ICE AGE&#8230;.&#8221; blah, blah, blah, blah&#8230;&#8230;  20 years later and now 10 years ago THE WORLD IS GONNA BURN UP&#8230;.. today&#8230;.. CLIMATE CHANGE (FLUCTUATION) IS A MAN-MADE THREAT&#8230;.. yadda, yadda, yadda&#8230;&#8230; Politicians repeating their CONTROL THE MASSES meme &#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fred Maidment</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred Maidment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 00:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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