Update: It’s 6am in California, and I wake up to see that LA County is still passing Proposition 8 with what CNN calls 100% of precincts in. It’s a very narrow, roughly 22,000 win out of about 2,500,000 votes cast, but as I said, a tie was there enough for it to pass. The counties that defeated Prop. 8 are all in except tiny Yolo county, and some sizable counties that are passing it are still out including Riverside county.
The remaining 8% of California precincts would have to go roughly 75% against, 25% for in order to overcome this statewide lead of approximately 375,000 votes out of maybe 9,750,000 votes cast. 52-48 in favor, statewide? A thank you to Barack Obama may be in order.
Yes, that is what I said. CNN’s Proposition 8 exit poll says ‘whites’ defeated the measure 53-47, ‘latinos’ passed it 51-49, ‘asians’ defeated it 53-47, ‘others’ were split 50-50, but ‘African-Americans’ passed it 70-30. That group being 10% of the electorate means that group alone provided a 390,000 vote margin of victory.
Did Obama turnout flip Proposition 8? We may never know for sure.
End Update
It’s still early, there’s still half of LA County and half of California still counting, but Proposition 8, which would amend the California Constitution to restore the traditional definition of marriage, is leading statewide 52-48, and in LA County 53-47. Traditionally LA County comes in later and decides things, swamping any conservative-friendly measures that aren’t ahead by enough. But if LA County is passing this thing, or ends up close to a tie, then we could have traditional marriage truly restored in California. It could hang on because much of the Bay Area’s done counting, and a lot of the places still counting are passing it by 10, 20, 30 points, such as my own Riverside county where it’s up 63-37 with 45% left to count.
Traditional marriage could be restored in California. Think of what kind of message that will send to Americans. Think of all the kids who will have more stable family lives as a result. This is a bigger deal than it may seem for the long-term well being of Americans.
Consider that in San Francisco County, Proposition 8 lost 77-23, McCain lost 85-13, and Pelosi’s Republican opponent lost 72-(other parties 19)-9%. There are people in San Francisco who voted for Obama, who voted for Pelosi, Sheehan, or a Green, but who voted to restore traditional marriage. Amazing, isn’t it?
It’s enough to make a person smile, even.
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SirGladiator (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 5:59AM EST (link)This is why Republicans should be competing for, and winning, the Hispanic vote in places like California. They are almost certainly providing the margin of victory for this Amendment, and could provide the margin of victory for our nominee in 4 years if we focus on our pro-family message, as they are pro-family Conservatives themselves.
Agreed
Shawn Gillogly (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 6:12AM EST (link)We really ‘ought’ to be doing better among Hispanics than the Left. Most of them are as strong on social issues as any Evangelical. The immigration issue is a barrier, of course. But there has to be room to be sensitive to their concerns on that without leaving an open door.
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hunter (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 6:25AM EST (link)to a big stinky pile of offal.
From McCain’s concession speech, I think he had no intention of fighting a tough campaign.
From his actions in the campaign, it is clear he did not fight as he promised to do.
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he was just being John McCain,
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 6:38AM EST (link)He was being true to himself. When all the old guys like John McCain are finally gone from the party, maybe we can start to actually fight against the Democrats without one hand tied behind our back.
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One arm tied
Matthew (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 6:44AM EST (link)Is really the only thing holding us back; McCain’s campaign was a lot more respectful than it oculd have been and he STILL got maligned for being too rough on Obama.
If he had gone in punching the racist label would have stuck. If we start fighting dirty, we won’t get any where.
telling the truth is not fighting dirty
kyle8 (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 6:51AM EST (link)But it goes way beyond this campaign. I never, ever saw anyone in the congress actually try to fight for what was right after Gingrich left.
Instead they were always ready to fold and compromise too quickly.
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Great news...
drmonroe Wednesday, November 5th at 7:33AM EST (link)but just pushing back the inevitable. Once Obama appoints a couple more justices to the Supreme Court they can declare gay marriage across the nation unConstitutional.
Hey, this is supposed to be a happy occasion
Neil Stevens (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 9:10AM EST (link)Let’s not bicker and argue over who appoints whom!
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Speaking as a supporter of SSM: gee, thanks, Senator Obama.
Moe Lane (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:01AM EST (link)You’d think that you might have supported the opposition to that more.
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Bill S (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 10:06AM EST (link)the election of Obama is not a sign that conservative thought is dead.
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Damned straight
Andrew Bolton (Diary) Wednesday, November 5th at 12:06PM EST (link)Okay, “straight” might be a poor choice of words on this entry, but you know what I meant.
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