Single payer is the holy grail because suddenly IF abortion is covered not only can the providers get closer to the $3000 to $5000 that most surgeries cost, but demand will rise, and more Doctors will perform them.

Pro-aborts are not afraid of rationing of care like senior citizens are, becuase eliminating abortion coverage does not save money, beuase it is always cheapre than delivering and providing coverage for a baby that is allowed to live and mature into adulthood. 18 years or so of no return on that investment under single payer.

They don’t fear rationing, but they do now fear Stupak. You know when they are threatening to sick the IRS on the Catholic Bishops for petitioning the government, that they are scared.

I think abortion is a huge issue for the far left, it is a cornerstone to the agenda, and they will do everything in their power and pull every fake amendment possible to make sure it is covered under national health care. The pro-aborts are claiming that Stupak undoes 20 years of pro-choice victory, but this is mostly a lie becuase most women pay for their abortions already. The reality is that single payer without Stupak undoes 20 years of modest pro-life victory. Once the federal government controls health care it could not only increase hte profit and number of abortions, but it could pre-empt state laws regulating abortion within Roe, and it could subvert consious clauses that allow Dr.’s to refuse to perform abortions. They want this bad and any victory is only temporary, because they will fight until the last planned parenthood closes its doors.

I think this is very good ground on which to fight. I am not the first to say it, but Stupak could undue the whole thing. On the other hand, but I think less likely, it could allow a bill to pass.

One big problem with Stupak is that if we ever got to single payer with Stupak intact – would it be found constitutional?

I do not get these killers (naral etc.) that they should think that I and you should pay for MURDER….they may not like to call it that but damn it that is what abortion is!

I love the logic you have laid out in this being only the FIRST time that Congress will be deciding “healthcare” for women it most certainly will NOT be the last if this monstrosity.