While most of us initially had the reaction that House Democrats would drop the Slaughter Solution only if it meant that they had the votes to pass it with a straight up or down vote; it occurred to me there might be an alternate explanation. What if the Senate Bill was going down in flames no matter what?
If they lost the vote tomorrow using “Deem and Pass”, it would have been a major defeat that would permanently derail their Government Takeover fantasies (or at least for a few more congresses) — and that would be the end of the road for ObamaCare. Waterloo.
The big problem, of course, is that no matter what the House does tomorrow, the only Bill with a chance of becoming law is the Senate Bill. Reconciliation in the Senate would take weeks — and Senator Hatch came out today promising to make it as difficult on House Democrats as possible; and it wasn’t an toothless threat.
Probably the best case scenario for them in their individual election chances would be if the Senate did nothing on the Reconciliation bill until after the election — but that would mean that the House fixes wouldn’t get passed in the House (since they’ll lose seats in November). Worse (for them); drawing this process out for months would certainly cost them even more seats (5? 10? 20?).
So what to do?
Well, what they did was drop the Slaughter Solution, and scheduled the Fix vote before the Senate vote. This could allow some waffling House members to vote yes on the Fix and enter their name firmly in the no column on the Senate bill, which would let them guarantee their symbolic win (even if the Senate bill is going down to failure) in the form of the Fix bill passing — it also lets them face their constituents back home, and keeps some good graces with the Party leadership.
While it would seem that HCR would be dead in that case, remember that Biden can overrule the Senate Parliamentarian — the obvious next step would be to use Reconciliation in the Senate to add the House Fix bill (or as much of it as they can, per Hatch’s threat) and then send that back to the House.
Is that what they’re doing? We’ll know in about 20 hours.
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I'm praying you're right :)
RealQuiet (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 6:48PM EST (link)n/t
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qsclues (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 8:09PM EST (link)n/t
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1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
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Good idea
AndrewHyman (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 6:53PM EST (link)Voting “yes” on the first bill and “no” on the second bill would do the job.
And O hung around with no bill to sign
renny (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 7:03PM EST (link)Delightful.
I'm Thinking They Might Lose The Vote on The *Rule* (nt)
IJB Saturday, March 20th at 8:14PM EST (link)It'd be another way out...
mschmitt (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 8:23PM EST (link)… but I don’t see it happening.
I mean, they passed the Slaughter rule with votes to spare, and this rule is just to bring a vote without any funny business added in — except, of course, if you consider voting to amend a bill before its been voted on odd (but I’m guessing they’re too desensitized at this point).
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I Can't Imagine Why a Stupak Dem Would Vote for The Rule
IJB Saturday, March 20th at 8:32PM EST (link)Or someone like DeFazio for that matter.
Defeat the Rule, and then you might get a chance to amend the bill. It’s your only chance to shape the final product.
Any Dem who’s sick of being handed bills written only by Pelosi should vote No on this Rule, and send a message.
If they thought they were going down to defeat this way...
mschmitt (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 8:54PM EST (link)… nothing would be brought up for a vote at all. None of these guys — Stupak, nobody — wants this legislation destroyed like we do… They’re not thinking that way at all; but they don’t want the Senate bill passed.
If they defeat the Senate Bill, all it means is that the anchor gets tossed back at the Senate, where Biden would overrule the Parliamentarian to allow Reconciliation to proceed, adding the House fixes and sending the House back one bill to vote on.
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It's been fun...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 9:49AM EST (link)But, you seem to be overlooking one very important fact:
If the Democrats allow the Senate Bill to go down to defeat in the House, there will be no Bill for the President to sign, and HCR (Read: Government-run Healthcare) is over for the foreseeable future.
The net result:
As far as the Congressional Democrats and the White House are concerned, the entire last year of debate will have been wasted, many Congressional Democrats will have sacrificed their careers for nothing, and the Obama Administration will be remembered throughout history as an abject failure.
As far as Congressional Republicans and the American people are concerned, the veil of obfuscation has been removed from the Liberal/Progressive Movement, and the “Lie” that is the Democrat Party will stand exposed for all to see.
Regardless the outcome of the vote in the House, the later is highly likely, and the Obama Administration has already secured its legacy as an abject failure.
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
I'm pretty sure they're not doing that...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 8:31PM EST (link)But it certainly would make the Senate’s job a whole lot less time-consuming, and it would leave the Obama Administration… “flabbergasted.”
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
I suggest it not because it's what I think will happen...
mschmitt (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 8:40PM EST (link)… it’s what I would do if I were them (you know, a lying dirt-bag politician who wants to retain my power and expand it, by pocketing my bribes and going along with a Government takeover of 1/6th of the economy).
If they vote for the Senate Bill, the Reconciliation vote will not save them in November unless they’re in a D+15 district. That’s the long and the short of it, and they’re d*mned fools if they think otherwise.
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I'm at a loss...
rbdwiggins (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 8:59PM EST (link)and I’m having a “really” hard time understanding how voting “No” on the Senate bill accomplishes any of this:
“(you know, a lying dirt-bag politician who wants to retain my power and expand it, by pocketing my bribes and going along with a Government takeover of 1/6th of the economy)”
“Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they are ignorant, but that they know so much that isn’t so.” – Ronald Reagan
The Senate Bill is toxic...
mschmitt (Diary) Saturday, March 20th at 9:11PM EST (link)Sorry if I went overboard there… What I mean is, they all like the idea of getting a HCR bill done for the same reason (power) — the “undecided” Democrats just don’t want the Senate Bill passed, because they know it’ll cost them their seat. A few of them may have principled objections (Stupak), but mostly, it’s about their seat.
If they vote for the Senate bill, they will be tarred and feathered with that vote — regardless of what they do on the other vote — and they will lose. Many of them realize that.
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They just said on C-SPAN that the Senate Bill will get voted first. nt
mschmitt (Diary) Sunday, March 21st at 2:09PM EST (link)usque ad finem