And, by “Support of Sarah”, I mean of course, “In Support of Sarah Supporters”. And by that, I mean of course, that I’d like to convey a gentle reminder to our lovable cadre of Palin-political skeptics (of which I count myself one) regarding the way we treat and interact with our lovable, sizeable, group of silent and not so silent Palin-supporters (of which I am also one of).
Let me preface this by saying: it’s not 2011. I don’t want to talk about Sarah Palin — the devil made me do it (or was it Achance?).
Also, before I begin, I’d like to make a promise which I believe should be standard of any pro-Palin diaries: I will not invoke the name of Ronaldus Magnus to make any of my points (perhaps we could nominate this for the title of the “Palin Rule”, if that isn’t already taken).
This diary is directly, or indirectly, addressing the Sarah Palin might as well be Ron Paul meme which has been percolating beneath the surface in various forms for some time now on RedState; but it applies generally for how we (as a community) have been dealing with a phenomenon which is, it seems to me, a totally new and alien experience to many of us within the conservative movement: a popular candidate.
At the risk of belabouring the obvious, popular candidates (by their very definition) appeal to a broader class of individuals; including those who are not quite as adept at playing logic games, interpreting legislative legalese, researching budgetary constraints, telling the ad hominem from the ad nauseum (and so on) as our regular sparring buddies are.
Now, if I weren’t talking about a group to which I belong, I’d point out that what I just said was an example of a perfectly snobbish and elitist thing to say; perhaps befitting of a Democrat or a beltway RINO, but certainly not a lifelong conservative such as myself. We — as both a party and as an incredibly diverse group of people bound by little more than our common notion of religious freedoms, love of country and of our personal liberty and its inherent responsibilities — have probably never felt the need to say such a thing; nor have we likely even thought it. Yet, I feel the need to point it out now because these are precisely the types of defects that I see being typified by the catch-all “Palin-Bot” criticism of a large class of exuberant new/young/naive/whatever supporters of the conservative movement in general and of Sarah Palin in particular.
Are we becoming an elitist movement? I’ll spare you the extra 3000 words of rhetorical fluff that I could have queued up to explore this C- grade conjecture (the answer is no). We seem to be, however, surprised by the development of Palin (though we shouldn’t be, for reasons I can’t delve into without risking breaking my aforementioned “Palin Rule”) and perhaps ill-equipped to deal with it.
Conservatives, as a whole, are not an outwardly superstitious lot. We do not worship at the altar of Government in order to force others to solve our problems; some of us pray, any of us set about to solve them (along with those of our neighbor’s) ourselves. We do not willingly subjugate ourselves to any cult of personality; precisely because it is our subjugation which we struggle against more than anything else in this mortal world. It is, therefore, an anathema to us when we perceive such types of behavior amongst citizens in general (such as leading up to the Coronation of Barack Obama) and particularly within our own political camp (as is believed — by some — to be happening in the groundswell of support for Palin).
For those of you with that concern, let me try to put your mind at ease (hopefully) with a bit of humor: it’s called “widespread enthusiasm for one of our candidates”; and though it’s not something we’ve grown terribly accustomed to in recent years, it’s important to remember that true conservatism is always popular when properly articulated because conservatism has individual freedom and liberty as its core tenets.
OK: so, there are new people coming to appreciate the notions of conservatism. With all respect to Barack Obama’s contributions, Palin did bring a good chunk of them in. To be perfectly frank, Palin kept them breathing during the most absurdly incompetent Presidential campaign in recent memory. Those people that she brought in are still here. That’s not just good; it’s flat-out spectacular.
The job for us, I believe, is to temper (in the metallurgic sense) and refine the undirected enthusiasms of these new people, and not to stamp that enthusiasm out. To draw out the analogy; tempering steel (by applying precise and measured amounts of heat) hardens it for sharpness and to protect it against wear. In our case, it takes the forged thing (be it either the crackling excitement of a new RedStater or the candidate, eg., Palin) and improves it if it is fundamentally solid and destroys it (usually with a spectacular CRACK!) if it is defective.
I believe that we can agree on many of the characteristics which make a conservative leader defective: dishonesty, incompetence, hypocrisy, and weakness; just to name a few. In 2008 and 2009, we saw many of Palin’s faults revealed (both real and imagined); and while stuck in the crucible at a temperature far above that which any politician is expected to endure, love her or hate her, she didn’t crack.
Now, given that faults exist in one of our candidates (and of course no candidate will ever be perfect), our primary goal should not be to teach them, for goodness sakes!
To draw a quick (and embarrassing) parallel, I was once (briefly) excited about the prospects of Colin Powell running for President some day (yes, I know; and yes, I do ritualistically hang my head in shame over that misguided, momentary though it may be — roughly 5 minutes — lapse of all semblance of judgement and reasoning skills; in my meager defense, it was 2002). Regardless, had someone jumped all over my brief delusion and told me that I was being stupid, illogical, or (gasp) a ‘Colon-Hat’ for entertaining that line of thought (and please, save your insults, it just wouldn’t have the same effect now); it would have served not only to damper my political enthusiasm at the time, but probably really irritated me. Besides that; General Powell, distinguished though he may be; would’ve rapidly imploded as a politician and lost my support anyway (probably because he can’t help but be a self-serving panty-waste; with all due respect).
Back to Sarah Palin and her faults. Maybe it’s my Colin Powell moment all over again, but I don’t think she’s a terrible candidate. I think her selection was a tiny, little, island of lucidity for the McCain campaign (not that the stubborn old b******’s ego would allow her to be properly used once she was in the fold) and I think she will one day again be a brilliant candidate for the Republican party. If she runs, and if I’m wrong; then, like the hypothetical Powell campaign, she’ll crumble in her own due course (and in that case, if you’re very lucky, you might even catch me hanging my head in shame).
As for Palin’s (more eager) supporters whom we’ve noticed may have a bit more vinegar than facts (so far)…
We should keep in mind that these people are seeds of conservative thought. Though they come talking about Palin, many of them are enthusiastic about politics for the first time, are espousing their conservative beliefs (and in some cases, other forms of hockey-mommery; which is fine too); and hardly ever bona fide Palin-worship beliefs (it is up to us to be disciplined and realize that someone stumbling into a contentious thread might pop off if they don’t really understand the debates within the debates).
Whether we like the fact that they have chosen Sarah Palin to inspire them or not; and (perhaps more importantly), whether you find that they are lacking the tools needed to properly debate (for example) the details of a questionable pipeline dealing or two; we are the ones who are, ultimately, best able to help them along the way to obtaining those tools.
This is why communities like RedState should exist and should be supported by obsessively politically minded people like us (I mean, beyond the valiant cause of padding Neil’s paypal account, of course).
Now, all of the previous word-vomit buffet aside, let me be perfectly clear: I do not believe that we should let support of any politician in our camp run amok. To the contrary, intense scrutiny from those of us who have taken the time to research and understand these politicians is necessary and desired (although Palin has already met that requirement to my satisfaction, I’ve been fooled before). We must never for a moment forget that these are people who — for some reason or another — desire power over and/or from us, and we should strive to convey the importance of that to anyone who will listen.
Still, I believe that some are going beyond the call of duty to temper (and thereby improve) these enthusiasms amongst our like-minded (though potentially still naive) friends, to the point of seeking to squash them entirely from existence. Is it really necessary to launch into a battle over the nature a bridge funding deal with someone who affirmatively states that Sarah Palin is a good conservative? Or, to cite her brutal treatment of the Murkowsky regime administration (since my intent may not translate well in print: I’d classify that statement as ‘well intentioned ribbing’) as proof of her anti-Republicanism, in response to someone who blithely believes that she’d be a good Republican nominee based on little more than her autobiographical accounts and a personal good feeling about the candidate?
What the Republican party has been lacking for a long time is a charismatic leader who people can rally around and identify with — and it appears that Palin may be that type of person. Now that we actually have one, let’s try to redirect any weird Palin-worship type of energy we see into constructive conservative activism energy.
This involves teaching the flaws of Sarah Palin the human being; but also the promise of Sarah Palin the potential candidate who, to my view, seems to understand and be willing to espouse and govern according to the principles of conservatism (all bridge pork, pipe deals, yahoo accounts, and plane tickets aside).
All clear? Great! Now, let’s go win one for the Gipper in 2010 and stop worrying about whether Sarah Palin would audit the fed, for goodness sakes!
Victoria Coates
Daniel Horowitz
Wonderful writing and so on POINT....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 6:00AM EST (link)I LIKE our new found FRIENDS who have come over because of Sarah and I think the more involved they become politically the better off WE ALL ARE. I was IN LOVE with her in 2008 because she was the BEST thing there was in an election of LOSERS IMO. I have since tempered that and have come to just LIKE her. I don’t enjoy her conversational skills on tv and just last night expressed to my husband her inability to say SOMETHING. She is truly practicing that art of political speak and its AGGRAVATING. She would not just call Scmidt an out and out LIAR and kept trying to divert back to what the people wanted I guess not realizing that she is now a COMMENTATOR not a POLITICIAN. I will of course give her a chance to show her mettle however for now she is an enigma and to this Conservative who likes the TRUTH I am getting frustrated with the dance around.
I too thought Powell for a minute until I studied him and saw he truly is a Democrat and the same can be said of Condelezza Rice as well though I suspect for both of them the Democrat Party of their youth has LEFT THEM!
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Sarah on O'Reilly
IronDioPriest (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 6:00AM EST (link)Sarah debuted as a FoxNews commentator last evening on “The O’Reilly Factor”, and I thought she did quite well.
Sarah Palin is who Sarah Palin is. That is 9/10 of the reason she is admired.
“If we finally fail in this great and glorious contest, it will be by bewildering ourselves in groping for the middle way.”
-John Adams, 1776
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See this is my point....irondiopriest....
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 6:04AM EST (link)You and I both watched that O’Reilly show and I saw a person who would NOT directly answer the question but used political SPEAK and O’Reilly even kept bringing her back and told her she is a COMMENTATOR now and she can FIGHT BACK because he was getting frustrated with her responses. I like I said above am willing to give her the benefit of the doubt because perhaps it’s like a CULT CLEANSING getting the political out of your speech and just telling it like it is.
It is funny though when people watch O’Reilly how 2 people see very different things when watching him.
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I thought she did well....
voteindy Wednesday, January 13th at 6:20AM EST (link)but she did seem fairly guarded and wary….as if Billo was looking for an opening to attack her.
I have no doubt that she can be an effective pundit representing the conservative cause. Frankly, I’d much rather see her stick to that than get back into politics.
I suspect she will relax over time and provide some excellent commentary. She will undoubtedly continue to drive the lefties insane…which in itself is a very good thing.
I don't think it's necessarily "political speak"
IronDioPriest (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 6:32AM EST (link)I may be giving her too much credit, but I think that Sarah Palin’s character is such that she is less concerned with assigning motivations or judging intentions than she is with sticking to facts. People always try to bait her into saying this or that, and rather than take the bait, she just lays out the facts as she sees them and lets people draw their own conclusions. She avoids appearing mean or vindictive, yet she is very effective at making her point.
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2 separate times she would not answer is he lying...
JadedByPolitics (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 8:06AM EST (link)instead saying “people don’t want to talk about that they want to talk about he economy”….that was the moment to say Steve Scmidt is a LIAR and it did NOT happen. It is because of TOOLS like Schmidt that people think she is stupid and it behooves her to CLEAR it up immediately! This is the difference between being on the campaign trail and being a commentator she MUST be ON POINT and TRUTHFUL and NOT dither and work her way out of an answer. I will say it again I LIKE her A LOT but I am discouraged at her responses to these ATTACKS on her character.
This I do know if Steve Schmidt works for ANY campaign in 2010 I will immediately support the other candidate that guy is someone who is a HUGE part of the Republican problem!
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IronDioPriest (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 8:21AM EST (link)Perhaps she just sees the futility of getting into a petty flame war with Steve Schmidt.
She has already said publicly that Schmidt’s account is not accurate, and that her book tells the story. There comes a point when defending yourself against unprovable allegations devolves into engaging in “he said-she said” vindictiveness. That is pointless, and can make one appear petty and childish – kind of like Steve Schmidt looks right now.
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Scope (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 10:32AM EST (link)I also see no reason for her to keep beating the dead horse that is Steve Schmidt. I agree she would make herself look petty, and would earn the title of vindictive if she did. She covered it in her book, and elsewhere. If she keeps the story alive, by answering dumb questions about it by even dumber O’Reilly, she keeps the whole thing going, rather than to move on to other more important topics. O’Reilly was trying to set her up, to get caught in a gotcha moment. O’Reilly always has a way of doing that. And, even if palin did try to answer the question, O’Reilly wouldn’t have allowed her to get a word in edgewise. Then her partial response would have been picked up as she is “dumb.”
I missed her on O'reilly...
discerningconservative (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 6:44AM EST (link)There was a hockey game I was more interested in. I am kind of sad to hear that she didn’t bring an A game. Should be able to give her a B+, but someone already ruined that grade. This is new turf to her, and I saw that Beck had her on (tomorrow, I think), and I hope to catch that. She seems to be performing quite a service for conservatives with her facebook page, and I hope she can carry that to Fox News.
ATTN: Brian Hibbert...
discerningconservative (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 6:28AM EST (link)When I criticized your diary for comparing Palinbots for seeming like Paultards, this diary, emanates my point. There are those on both sides of the issue that are equally pro/con Palin that they can’t see straight. This is an example of the pro. I could dig through Red State past and come up with plenty of anti.
This is why I said that painting every Palin supporter with the broad brush of being equal to Paultards would be counterproductive would be wrong. There are those on both sides that are adamant about Ms. Palin, but the important thing is that she is a net positive for our side right now.
Red State has become an activist site. Each of us have differing opinions about each candidate, issue, and combination thereof. What we need to focus on is where we agree, which is the best direction of our party’s resources. Sarah Palin is speaking publicly for conservatism. That should not be a problem for any of us. As long as she isn’t running for office, spitting in the face of conservative candidates (or Republican candidates in the general elections), she deserves our support.
I agree with this diary as much as I agreed with the diary that this one opposes. Maybe that makes me an odd duck, or maybe that makes the most sense in the fight that we fight. Either way, I think that the Palin praising/bashing should remain an issue of merit, and not feeling.
Most of us here at Red State are capable of arguing on facts and merit, and not on emotions and feelings. There are those that fall into the extreme camps on Palin, anti and pro. I hope that they BOTH learn to tame it back and bring this site back to it’s focus.
If you look hard enough
Maggie_in_Indiana (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 9:20AM EST (link)you will find faults with every one. Sometimes you have to take a person for what their face value is and wait until they reveal more about themselves on their own. Looking too closely at anyone or anything will make it less attractive.
Even the most beautiful of women are not as good looking without make-up. even the most conservative person may have a little touch of rino in them. Lets keep that in mind,as we all get to experience Sarah Palin and her critics.
I for one like what I have seen of Sarah Palin so far,she has something we have not seen in a while ,the ability to admit mistakes and not jump on those of people she disagrees ,with both feet. Patience is a virtue.
Maggie in Indiana
Palin's debut
Tom Anderson (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 9:53AM EST (link)I thought Sarah did a passable job on O’Reilly the other night. While I agree with Jaded above that she danced around quite a bit rhetorically, I think there are two things to blame for that:
1. She hasn’t found her “sea legs” as a commentator yet, so she returned to her default oratorical position as a politician. I think this will change with time. If you have read any of her notes on her Facebook account (I have), you know that she can be direct and on point. She just needs a little time to adjust to using a new medium.
2. She was across the table from one of the most bullying blowhards on TV right now. Any of us would be afraid of saying anything that would make Bill go into one of his famous spittle-flinging tirades.
I for one look forward to listening to her opinions and using that to judge her more closely – beyond the emotional response she usually gets for being a charismatic conservative.
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
- Edmund Burke
danasdaddy- You win the prize
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 10:50AM EST (link)O’Reilly-
“A bullying blowhard with his spittle-flinging tirades.”
I could not have come up with a better description of this piece of crap. The fact that he has a large majority of blond females on his show should tell everyone something. I haven’t decided if he is a sexist, or a sex fiend.
My husbands first question when he heard Palin on O’Reilly- Why is she on his pathetic show. My answer- he has the number 1 rated show on Fox, which I will never never understand. The Democrats don’t have the lock on creating dummies.
Thanks, Scope!
Tom Anderson (Diary) Thursday, January 14th at 3:52PM EST (link)Now what was that prize you mentioned? LOL
“All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”
- Edmund Burke
Here we go again...
mikerazar (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 10:47AM EST (link)One short segment on the factor and we are choosing up sides. Count me as an adament supporter of Sarah Palin. She may or may not prove to be a viable candidate, but she is the best qualified to actually be president, since…yup…the Gipper himself. Electability is always tough to predict, but when she opens her mouth, I am never afraid that she will say something that is anti American or anti freedom. That may not sound like much, but to me it is everything.
We have a nation to save, people.
Well, my post wasn't about her O'Reilly appearance...
mschmitt (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 11:17AM EST (link)… it was a response to a response going all the way back to EE’s piece regarding her lending credibility to a shaky Tea Party group; in response to which, some obviously excited Palin supporters got the wrong idea, said some silly (and unfortunate) stuff, and the next thing you know we’ve got a full-on anti-Palin/pro-Palin flame war akin to a ladies night drunken brawl at the blogosphere equivalent of the only watering hole near fraternity row.
My whole point is, even if they do make a satisfying, troll-like pop when they (or their favoured candidates) are mauled before their eyes, there’s truly no victory to be had in beating on the spirits of these young conservative acolytes (even if you happen to have an immense personal distaste for the individual that’s generated the enthusiasm that’s pulled them off of the couch and head-first into this nasty political arena).
You just don’t win when you’re eating your own, even if you happen to do it really well.
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mschmitt- Where the heck have you been?
Scope (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 10:54AM EST (link)I was wondering if you got yourself banned! LOL
Nah, but I'd probably get more work done if I had been... ;) nt
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This is the most
azaeroprof (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 8:28PM EST (link)rational and even-handed diary I’ve read on RedState since….well….ever. The title sounds a little bot-ish, so I suspect you scared a few readers away and that explains the fairly small number of recs.
I, too, saw Sarah on O’Reilly and thought she did fine. I have Beck on TiVo and will watch it when the kiddies get to bed. I think Sarah steered away from Bill’s bait to call Schmidt the liar he is because she knew that if she did, tomorrow’s headlines would read something like: “Raving Palin Accuses McCain Staffer of Being Liar on Fox”. She seems to have an uncanny ability to be deft on her feet as long as the interviewer is not named Gibson or Couric.
I wish your diary could be the last word on Palin as a candidate until about mid-2011. Alas, don’t think that will happen.
Kowalski...
azaeroprof (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 8:33PM EST (link)Sorry, I meant to say “Palin-related diary”
Heck Az, that's a really nice thing to say...
mschmitt (Diary) Wednesday, January 13th at 8:33PM EST (link)… I appreciate that!!
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